Yes, chimp-ass-punk, the economy is booming.
The Big Lie Exposed

Time for another tax cut.... wink

You beat me to the punchline!

You guys are idiots.

Well, fiddle-dee-dee...I do declare, FillyPhan is just full of compliments today.

Another keen assessment by the Outsports intellectual-in-residence.

Keep in mind that FillyPhan has to be smart...he is keeping watch from behind his keyboard to make sure al Qaeda doesn't enter Arizona.

And I certainly feel safer with him there.

You mean, as opposed to in D.C.?

Precisely.

You see,

This is why you guys are foolish... blah blah chimp blah blah blah.. the economy..blah blah blah..

This is what you ignore... spending is UP UP UP, manuf production (which you were bitching about last) was the highest in 20 years... and so on and so forth...

Well anyway, each and every economic indicator is UP. Jobs are going to be the last indicator to come around... I would suspect beg of 2004 since most companies try not to hire around the holidays.

Notice how you buddy Dean-o has moved on and away from the economy? Thats a losing battle right now, unless you are hopoing for mass layoffs and huge job losses, but really who'd run on that platform?

So yet another post from bobby about the chimp in blah blah blah.. who is laughing all the way to re-election as the economy looks quite strong for 2004.

Then again when you read that article they put in like say 4-5 great idicators of how well the eonomy is doing... so yeah carry on guys... Hope it makes you sleep better at night... cause you got 4 more years coming... enjoy.

PF is right that jobs are going to be the last indicator to come around. Moreover, as the article linked points out:

You guys are idiots. You can't even grasp the articles you link.

[ December 11, 2003, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: TomFord ]

Right, but you lead this board in accusing people of hypocrisy, so let's be honest. If the spending/manufacturing numbers were low but the jobless rate were also low, you'd be saying how the economy is doing ***practically*** well because as long as everyone is employed no one will notcie that production is low. If, as you and your brethern have been chanting for weeks, the jobless rate is high (though admittedly decreasing) and production is up, you go on and on about how the economy is this esoteric thing and unemployment is one of many indicators.

When those numbers are reported, they reflect only the average increase. If I were to show you that the Bush economy, although on the rise across the board, clearly showed overwhelming growth in the upper eschelon of established wealthy households but showed and over all DECREASE in the poorest half of the country, suddenly I'm using commie-pinko, red-herring rhetoric to spread as much hate for Bush as possible.

See, the biggest problem I have with you, PhillyFan, is that you have never set up a fail-standard for your arguments. That is, there is never anyway to hold you to a particular issue, and you can never foresee the Bush administration as making a mistake. NEVER. So, we can't take your points seriously, because they have no basis for evaluation.

Here, let me simplify. If I said that I supported a particular course of action in Iraq, and that action was followed to the letter and it FAILED, I would take responsibility for having supported a failed policy. But you can't even admit that failure is a possibility, so even if there were a direct connection between something you support and absolute disaster, you would spend 500 of your next 1000 posts arguing that the disaster your idea caused was ultimately 1) good for the country, 2) only dismissed by "commie-pinkos, and 3) what you had always intended.

PF, I want you to get a hold of a dictionary and look up the word "casuistry." This might help clarify why so few people on this board will engage with you seriously on a topic.

[ December 11, 2003, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: araanib ]

Remember, rising spending is always good good good, because a mountain of working-class credit debt makes a bigger pile for richie bankers to donate to Bushie.

WOW, look everyone, he spelled all four words the right way!

It just can't be...I bet someone else did this with his username while sitting in his lookout post from behind his keyboard in Arizona.

Keep up the good work PhillyFan, I have not heard of one single "terra" attack in the area around your keyboard. Good job!

Thank you Raze....

Thank you Bluebird...

STOP calling me Bluebird, or I'm going to send a pack of gnashing-teeth liberals into Arizona!

[ December 11, 2003, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031211/nyth120_1.html

OH MY WHAT IS THAT BobbyBirdie.. the Best economic growth in 20 years? Is that the economic forecast?

Whoa! yeah man! W stinks... 356 days until 4 more years! Yeah Man!

This is a prediction...live in the present, please. It's 328 days until the regime change.

[ December 11, 2003, 02:45 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

If Bush loses the election, as I presume you want to happen, it's more like 406 days until the "regime" change.

Or 1,866 days according to the economic plan...

It's now 327 days until the "get-out-of-Howard-Dean's-house" party begins!

YEAH MAN!!!!!!

I read a very interesting perspective on the so called "recovery" that we are suppsoedly in at the moment on a political story on MSN the other day. I don't have the name of the writer, but he mentioned whats going on so far is this: stores that cater to the wealthy, and well to do, (namely Repuglicans) are doing throught the roof business, including sales of luxury items. Gosh, must be those tax cuts for the wealthy, and that other stores the cater to everybody else, including J.C. Penney, Target, and even Wal-Mart are not doing the kind of business that they thought they would. Raze, think its time for yet another tax cut? Gee, I wonder.

The Halliburton Gift Shop in Baghdad is selling Saddam bobble head dolls for only $799.99, hurry they're going fast.

Are you Bluebird?

YEAH MAN!

PUNK-ASS-CHIMP BLAH BLAH BLAH! YEAH!

According to CNN, jobless claims rose 14,000 over what they were a week ago,which surprised the experts. Time for another tax cut. Yeah man!!!

Phillyfan and William1865 put their fingers in their ears and say: "I can't hear you and since my eyes are closed, you aren't there either! La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La, La!"

[ January 08, 2004, 01:15 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Boy,if President Bush loses the election what are all of you liberals gonna bitch & moan & write in the columns here. :confused: You won't know what to do with all your free time.

Easy...we'll bitch and moan about the NeoCons on here.
299 days until our regime change

[ January 08, 2004, 02:33 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

What's sad is that most of you--and you can deny it till the cows come home, but it's the truth--actually enjoy such news. If you had your choice, you'd love to see the country sink into depression if it meant getting rid of Bush.

Personally, I don't care WHO is president, for good economic news means good news for America, and that's what is most important. Too bad many of you don't feel the same way.

BTW, one week the jobless claims go up, the week before they go down. It's a roller coaster that will eventually level off. Just when is anybody's guess.

I am wondering what Bush plans to do for the next 5 years as President. It is clear that none of the Democrat nominees have a snowball's chance in hell of winning against Bush this year.

Vacation alot
Run up the record deficit even higher
Start wars based on fairy tales
Give tax cuts to billionares

The possibilites are endless!

Don't forget the afternoon nap...he's been doing that since kindergarten.

Mib, with all due respect to what you say we are enjoying such news. Can you really deny that for 8 years under Clinton, that the Republicans didn't jump with glee any and every time there was anything negative happening as it relates to the economy?? I think not. The biggest reason was because the economy ran so well, and so did the budget surplus.

Then you and any Republican who enjoys such bad news should be shot. Multiple times.

It's despicable that ANYone, and I mean ANYone, would want bad things to happen to this country just so his/her pet candidate could get into office. Such persons should have their asses kicked out of this country. Period.

BTW, why am I not surprised that bobbie didn't come back here to post that the nation's unemployment rate dropped in December to the lowest in 14 months? No need to answer that question, for it's positive news for a change, and such good news for America and for American workers is bad news for the Left.

In MIB's world, America comes first, and not any petty partisan politics. That's probably also why I've voted for just as many Democrats as I have Republicans.

According to the experts - the drop in unenployment was a direct result of many (estimate: 300,000) people dropping out of the workforce because they were giving up on finding a job - that is not necessarily good news.

As for finding such news a cause of celebration - I for one don't believe it is. However, it is indicative of the kinds of effects the economic policies of this administration are likely to have. Perhaps the "celebration" MIB is seeing is more of a feeling of "see, we told you so" and is not necessarily a feeling of happiness that people are out of work.

In addition, U.S. employers hired just 1,000 workers in December. That was sharply lower than Wall Street forecasts of a jump of at least 130,000.

It's not a matter of hoping for bad things to happen. It's a matter of EXPECTING them to happen based on the policies of this administration, and not being surprised when they DO.

What is interesting is that there has been significant job creation and growth among one sector of the economy that goes unreported until usually 12-18 months after the fact. That is the small business sector, particularly those companies employing 5-10, 20-50, and 50-100 employees. Their hiring numbers do not get included in U.S. Dept. of Labor employment statistics until generally 12-18 months after normal reports are released. NBC News reported this about 2 weeks ago or so, and went on to further explain that because small business hiring is up more than 10%, the actual U.S. unemployment numbers are skewed too negatively without those other figures included.

Another thing I note, the economy here in Spokane is not good, and I would say that we have even had any kind of a recovery here. The high tech industry has been decimated. And the city is now facing a possible major cut in its public transit system, because its financial resources are drying up. This in large part of an initiative that passed several years back which dropped car tabs to an across the board $30, and this had devastating results with the Spokane Transit Authority.

[ January 10, 2004, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]

As reported by NBC News Friday, puck, Washington State is uncoincidentally the state with one of the highest minimum wages. NBC analyzed those states that had the highest minimum wages and found they were also the ones with the highest unemployment rates. There comes a point where constantly raising it (mainly to appease unions more than anything else) to a certain point results in job loss and less job creation, as employers, small businesses especially (who are the nation's largest employers), reduce costs by not having as many employees on board.

So, instead of blaming Bush, look to your own left-wing party who has been directly responsible for job losses in their state more than anyone else has.

Can't do that MIB. Washington State had a $2 billion dollar budget shortfall, thanks to Shrubs budget (defecits).

Uh huh. Like it's Bush's fault a state can't control its own spending. Tell Washington to look in the frickin' mirror before they start blaming others for their stupidity and irresponsibility.

BTW, to clarify: I am not referring to unfunded federal mandates. Those have been asinine problems for decades.

[ January 10, 2004, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]

Saw a report on World News Now last night on ABC. They did an indepth study of just exactly what is going on with the economy, and the so called "recovery". Turns out most of the (better paying) jobs are gone, and will likely never come back. Most of the new jobs that are hiring or coming back are on the low end of the wage scale. I don't call this economy recovery at all, in fact I call it hollow. We shall see if Shrub understands this in 2004, but I sincerely doubt it.

[ January 11, 2004, 08:12 AM: Message edited by: puckman1 ]

Then answer this specifically, puckman: Just HOW was Bush directly responsible for the loss of all these jobs? And no, you can't say tax cuts, especially since those went into effect only last year and most of these jobs had been lost well before then.

That amazing Cheney/Rove/Bush economy created a whopping 1,000 jobs in December. Good job!!
(pun intended)

One big reason MIB, is the fact that Shrub is doing little if anything to control health care costs. Companies big and small can no longer afford to provide their employees with health care! In addition to that, in Bush's recession or so called recovery, business and everything else ain't doing to well. Shrubs one and only focus besides Iraq has been tax cuts for the wealthy.Big business is still very skittish about this "recovery".