Ms. McKinney forgot to blame John Ashcroft and Katherine Harris for the attacks, but I suppose this is a start:

Congresswoman Accuses Bush of September 11 Plot

She's an idiot! Sounds like she's read the French author Thierry Meyssan (currently a frog best-seller): "Two passenger jets smash into the WTC a few minutes apart; each under the control of fewer than half a dozen amateur hijackers fending off ten times their number with boxcutters.

Hitting a 70-yard-wide building with a 52-yard-wide Boeing 767 at 500 miles per hour requires virtually instantaneous reflexive response time-a lightening-quick three-tenths of a second. Professional pilots are puzzled by the kamikazes' virtuoso performance that sunny morning, but there's an explanation: someone has placed homing beacons in each tower beforehand. A 1997 Defense Department acquisition, the Global Hawk system, has guided American Flight 11 and United Flight 175 to their respective dooms.

That device was planted by U.S. government agents.

Shortly afterward, Pentagon officials set off an explosion in a mostly disused section of their own headquarters. It isn't certain whether they've used plastique or a missile to do the damage; what's obvious is that the official version of the building being hit by a third hijacked airliner doesn't hold up. Why not? A photo of the "crash site" proves that the hole in the building is smaller than the plane that supposedly struck it. Moreover, the "plane" impacted without leaving residual debris. And circumstantially, no one "important"-a general, say-works in that area."

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That is such an irresponsible tactic. I can see her political career crashing soon.

[quote]Originally posted by William1865:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2002Apr11.html
"Congresswoman Accuses Bush of September 11 Plot"

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That headline is invented. The article says that she's "calling for an investigation." Here's a quote:

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Democrat Implies Sept. 11 Administration Plot

By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, April 12, 2002; Page A16

Rep. Cynthia McKinney (D-Ga.) is calling for an investigation into whether President Bush and other government officials had advance notice of terrorist attacks on Sept. 11 but did nothing to prevent them. She added that "persons close to this administration are poised to make huge profits off America's new war."

In a recent interview with a Berkeley, Calif., radio station, McKinney said: "We know there were numerous warnings of the events to come on September 11th. . . . What did this administration know and when did it know it, about the events of September 11th? Who else knew, and why did they not warn the innocent people of New York who were needlessly murdered? . . . What do they have to hide?"

McKinney declined to be interviewed yesterday, but she issued a statement saying: "I am not aware of any evidence showing that President Bush or members of his administration have personally profited from the attacks of 9-11. A complete investigation might reveal that to be the case."
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She suggested that the administration was serving the interests of a Washington-based investment firm, the Carlyle Group, which employs a number of high-ranking former government officials from both parties. Former president George H.W. Bush -- the current president's father -- is an adviser to the firm. McKinney said the war on terrorism has enriched Carlyle Group investors by enhancing the value of a military contractor partly owned by the firm.
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With her comments concerning Sept. 11, McKinney, 47, seems to have tapped into a web of conspiracy theories circulating during the past six months among people who believe that the government is partially -- or entirely -- to blame for last year's attacks, which killed more than 3,000 people.
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Notorious revolving door the Carlyle Group does in fact have quite a few connections with the current administration. It stood to profit handsomely if Bush were to win in 2000; especially Carlyle Group senior counselor James A. Baker III. Bush's campaign manager? Yep, one and the same. See how many ex-Reaganites and Bushies are there:

http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/
http://www.thecarlylegroup.com/people.htm

It's still strong stuff. Perhaps she's been listening to my favorite conspiracy theorist, Alex Jones, who can be heard nightly from 10 p.m. to 1 a.m. on shortwave station WWRB on 5085 kHz and 6890 kHz. Sample claims:

Oswald was a patsy. Kennedy's driver turned around and shot him in the front of the head. Czech troops will occupy Oklahoma when globalists declare martial law in the U. S. And so forth.

http://www.infowars.com

[ April 12, 2002: Message edited by: twin58 ]

I apologize. Let the record state clearly that Ms. McKinny merely "implies" the President might have killed about 3,000 people. She does not "accuse" him of doing so.

Here is a refutation of the theory that the Pentagon was not struck by an airplane:

Invent Your Own Headline

WOW This is scary! Our own government. Do you think the same people are responsible for the "No black people on NBC's 'Friends,'" conspirasy? Or maybe they breached the matrix and had to cover it up. I know one thing. I'm never going to buy generic canned vegetables again. I suggest you do the same.

She's a moron.

Thats what you call a head full of rocks.

Conspiracy theories abound in this country.

What's real is that Bush is taking advantage of the present situation to push through several issues and bills clearly motivated by the right wing of our nation. The latest I've heard is he's asking that all hemp production and usuage be stopped because there might be some slight residual trace of the active ingredient that gets you high? What f**king nonsense. He's also working hard to stop any medical marijuana usage. He's working hard to destroy old growth forests and virtually all stem cell research. Granted, I'm just touching the surface but this administration's actions after 9/11 concern me far more than the conspiracy theories. Our country is being damaged while we perpetuate an endless unwinnable war and alienate allies.

All right, I'm ready for the inevitable Republican outcry that we've come to expect on this board. Go for it..

[quote]Originally posted by Bryan:
What's real is that Bush is taking advantage of the present situation to push through several issues and bills clearly motivated by the right wing of our nation.

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Agreed. See:

http://www.counterpunch.org

Here, in her own words, is Rep. McKinney:

http://www.counterpunch.org/mckinney0413.html

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Moreover, persons close to this Administration are poised to make huge profits off America's new war. Former President Bush sits on the board of the Carlyle Group. The Los Angeles Times reports that on a single day last month, Carlyle earned $237 million selling shares in United Defense Industries, the Army's fifth-largest contractor. The stock offering was well timed: Carlyle officials say they decided to take the company public only after the Sept. 11 attacks. The stock sale cashed in on increased congressional support for hefty defense spending, including one of United Defense's cornerstone weapon programs.
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Now I need to find the original article from the _LA Times_. Here's one from October:

http://www.latimes.com/business/la-0000842...4298oct23.story

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Meanwhile Monday [October 22, 2001], Carlyle Group Inc. filed to sell the public a stake in its United Defense Industries Inc., which designs and produces combat vehicles and artillery for the U.S. and allied governments.

Arlington, Va.-based United Defense anticipates the IPO will raise as much as $300 million.

Carlyle, an investment firm whose advisers include former President Bush, formed the contractor in 1997 and will sell an undetermined percentage of its holdings, according to a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

United Defense expects to benefit from increased military spending as the U.S. and its allies wage war on terrorism. The contractor's products include naval guns, missile launchers and precision munitions.

The company landed a $665-million contract in September to complete the development phase of the U.S. Army's "Crusader." The Crusader is made up of two vehicles: a self-propelled Howitzer gun, or short cannon, and an armored supply vehicle.

United Defense recorded a $1.7-million loss on $914 million in revenue during the first nine months of this year.
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[ April 13, 2002: Message edited by: twin58 ]

All I'm going to say about this comment by Congresswoman McKinney is the fact that I noticed that all talk about Bush's illigitmacy as President disappeared after 09/11. Which I still, to this day, believe in. I still have a hard time accepting Bush as my President. What transpired during December, 2000 was nothing more than a legal coup d'etat in my opinion. Others in this country believed the same. And after 09/11, all talk disappeared after those events and America rallied behind Bush in the war against terrorism. Remember White House press secretary Ari Fleischer telling people we couldn't criticize Bush as President? Bush currently has 80% approval ratings in the polls right now. Most Americans now support Bush as President. That wouldn't have happened after 09/11.

[quote]Originally posted by Terry A:
...And after 09/11, all talk disappeared after those events and America rallied behind Bush in the war against terrorism. Remember White House press secretary Ari Fleischer telling people we couldn't criticize Bush as President? Bush currently has 80% approval ratings in the polls right now. Most Americans now support Bush as President. That wouldn't have happened after 09/11.

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Don't be too fast TerryA. True, GW enjoyed solid backing after 09/11, which instantly translated in what many say was a popularity indicator as President. Remember, America was attacked on it's own soil. After over two centuries of having two oceans to protect the mainland from foreign attacks/invaders, it happen. We had no choice but to back the President in spite of political affliation or ideology. The terrorist attacked Americans and as Americans we stand behind our President in the fight for our freedom and our way of life. In that respect, yes, GW has a solid backing.

Only time will tell if he will be able to sustain the support. He says the "war on terrorism" will be a long war. Vietnam was a long "war" and after such a national tradegy and after the current glow of patriotism wears off, America will then begin to critically question her leaders as she always done in the past. It's what kept this nation free.

It is important that we always keep in mind that:
"The men who create power make an indispensable contribution to the nation's greatness, but the men who question power make a contribution just as indispensable, especially when that questioning is disinterested, for they determine whether we use power or power uses us."

JFK, Amherst College, October 26, 1963

Dissention is vital to a free society. The argument of that dissention is to be judged on it's merit but the dissention itself is the key to keeping America free and strong. Dissention keeps America the treasure that is America.

As far as GW, the President himself, I read somewhere on CNN last Friday, April 5, that his popularity has decline to 74%, a still solid showing but way down since 09/11. What we may notice is that GW is having trouble getting all his domestic agenda through congress. I don't think GW can use the "war on terrorism" as a reason for his entire agenda. Judical appointments are stalled and it looks like nothing to happen till 2003 and that's a judical tradegy in itself. There is the Enron thorn, it could be his watergate/white water.

Also, I do not that think those Americans who felt that GW judically maniuplated the constitution even at the risk of destroying it to become president have forgoten what happen in Nov-Dec. 2000. GW may strategically use the "first war of the 21st centruy" to his polictically advantage, namely, for another four years, but something tells me the American people will not be fool that easily in 2004. If GW is re-elected, it will be because the people indeed want him because after all he's put us through so far, many may want a better life in two years than the political/economic /national life we have right now.

[quote]Originally posted by jeffrey3410:
That is such an irresponsible tactic. I can see her political career crashing soon.

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I don't. She's a nine term Democratic representative from Berkley. I see her constituency very happy with her and reelecting her handily.

[quote]Originally posted by satxbuddy1:
GW may strategically use the "first war of the 21st centruy" to his polictically advantage, namely, for another four years, but something tells me the American people will not be fool that easily in 2004.

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-to the Totally cynical- do you think that maybe Pres. Bush was thrust into this crisis and is coping as well as any one else could have - Including Al Gore. If you aren't happy with him in 2004 then vote him out and put Mr Gore in. But that is 2 yrs away. You don't have to support everything he proposes but at least give him creditfor his leadership.

[quote]Originally posted by jqueer:


I don't. She's a nine term Democratic representative from Berkley. I see her constituency very happy with her and reelecting her handily.

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McKinney is from Georgia; she's been redistricted several times and has still won. Barbara LEE represents the Berkeley area, I believe.

As regards the War on Terror, I have one key question:

1) Where is Osama Bin Laden? Wasn't the goal of the Afghan campaign to find him as well as to root out Al Qaeda?

Also, why on EARTH did the U.S. just support that horrific coup attempt in Venezuela??? Are we trying to gain the entire world's enmity? Not only did nearly all the other major Latin American nations come out against it, but our good friend, Vicente Fox of Mexico, vocally decried what the military leaders and rich businesspeople attempted to launch in Venezuela. While Hugo Chavez Frias does appear to be inept, that country has democratic means to address the problem; we should NOT be supporting military coups that buttress our interests to the disadvantage of millions of people. I was horrified by this administration's response, and by the news coverage, which for several days failed to note that the vast majority of Venezuelans, who have been made abjectly poor by decades of oligarchic, conservative rule in that oil-rich country (and who also have not been helped by Chavez's disastrous attempts at Castroism), were strongly against the coup. Polls or no polls, the people spoke out. We as Americans shouldn't forget this; we were far too quiescent in 2000!

[quote]Originally posted by fantomas:
McKinney is from Georgia; she's been redistricted several times and has still won. Barbara LEE represents the Berkeley area, I believe.

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Wow, that was a brain fart. The radio station on which she made the comments is in Berkley. She, as the Washington Post article accurately and clearly states is a Democrat from Georgia. Well, I hope that means her election for the next term just got more difficult.

[quote]Originally posted by fantomas:
Where is Osama Bin Laden?

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I readily concede that a lot of people, regardless of party, would like the answer to that question.

[quote]Also, why on EARTH did the U.S. just support that horrific coup attempt in Venezuela??? Are we trying to gain the entire world's enmity?
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I was horrified by this administration's response, and by the news coverage, which for several days failed to note that the vast majority of Venezuelans, who have been made abjectly poor by decades of oligarchic, conservative rule in that oil-rich....

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HONNNNKKKKK! You just said today's secret word.

Tell him what he's won, Don Pardoe.

[ April 14, 2002: Message edited by: twin58 ]

[quote]Originally posted by fantomas:
As regards the War on Terror, I have one key question: Where is Osama Bin Laden?

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Wherever the douchebag is hiding, a good part of his expenses are coming (indirectly no doubt) from Saudi Arabia. The Saudi royal family, among the most money-gulping corrupt despotic entities our planet has ever known, gladly finances extremist factions that focus their own people's anger towards the US and away from its own decaying power base, allowing them to continue their gluttonous feeding at the oil money trough.

And the worse part is that they continue to do so in 'cahoots' with the Amero-European oilgarchy, who will do ANYTHING, including the subversion of the best security interests of the American people, to keep their cash cow continue to produce. And it makes no matter what administration or party is in control, because they have so successfully masked their handiwork below the radar screens of most Americans, who seem to have been trained to prefer demagogues of all different political persuations to any real coherent analysis of the truth.


[quote]Originally posted by twin58:
HONNNNKKKKK! You just said today's secret word.Tell him what's he won, Don Pardoe.

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Mr. Pardoe:

Look at your shiny new FORD EXCURSION with the V-10 engine!!!

Think how much fun it will be to fill that enormous tank when gas sells for $3.50 a gallon (at 10.8 mpg combined).......

It is outrageous that the Bush Admin. supported the coup in Venezuela. It once again shows that for 50 years US policy is driven more by fear of Fidel (even after the end of the Cold War) than by support of democracy. In their own doublespeak, they even refused to call it a coup!

While the US has claimed the it is supporting democracy in Latin America, it didn't care that an elected president was ousted -- why? -- because he's a leftist populist who's cozy with Castro. On top of that Chávez does his own thing re: the Colombia guerrilas and drug war; has his own oil policy. What, has he forgotten that Venezuela's supposed to be a banana republic in the U.S.'s back pocket?

[quote]Originally posted by copman:


-to the Totally cynical- do you think that maybe Pres. Bush was thrust into this crisis and is coping as well as any one else could have - Including Al Gore. If you aren't happy with him in 2004 then vote him out and put Mr Gore in. But that is 2 yrs away. You don't have to support everything he proposes but at least give him creditfor his leadership.

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The man who was willing to destroy the constitution to gain the presidency have better know how to use his leadership adavantage for another four years.

oh yeah, I'm glad it's only 2.5 yrs to go, then we get to vote again.

[ April 15, 2002: Message edited by: satxbuddy1 ]