This is a must read http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/metr...politan/1622160
Here's what the Texas republican party's platform says about homosexuailty:
2002 Texas Republican Party platform says homosexual "behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders and shared by a majority of Texans."
Texas repugs wont even let LRC have a booth at their state convention!
The LRC guy says the following: Wathen said he has "not been bothered too much" by such party positions.
I wonder what does bother him!!
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[quote]Originally posted by RazorbackTX:
"behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders and shared by a majority of Texans."
What offends me most about that statement is the presumption that because G-d said so is a legitimate political argument in the United States. I would have thought the first amendment would have nailed that one down long ago. If the only reason you can think of is because some religion forbids a thing, or mandates it for that matter, you don't have a reason to draft a law.
On that note, that language from the state platform are the three worst reasons to pass a law. Because G-d said so. Because that's the way we've always done it. And because most people want it that way.
"behavior is contrary to the fundamental, unchanging truths that have been ordained by God, recognized by our country's founders and shared by a majority of Texans."
What offends me most about that statement is the presumption that because G-d said so is a legitimate political argument in the United States. I would have thought the first amendment would have nailed that one down long ago. If the only reason you can think of is because some religion forbids a thing, or mandates it for that matter, you don't have a reason to draft a law.
On that note, that language from the state platform are the three worst reasons to pass a law. Because G-d said so. Because that's the way we've always done it. And because most people want it that way.
RZB, Knowing Alex, I can tell you that those who only criticize him and other LCRepuBlicans for the work they do would definitely bother him. People with closed minds who refuse to acknowledge that without LCR working within the GOP there will only be more stories like this one would also bother him. I'm sure die-hard Democrats aren't bothered by this at all.
Here's what bothers me: successfully working within the CA GOP to DELETE such language from our last platform and then having that not-minor accomplishment ignored by the press, mainstream but especially gay, and then having the gay press toss in a few gratuitous snipes about wasted effort, foolhardiness, etc. But like Alex, "it doesn't bother me that much either," and I'm going to keep on keepin' on!
Here's what bothers me: successfully working within the CA GOP to DELETE such language from our last platform and then having that not-minor accomplishment ignored by the press, mainstream but especially gay, and then having the gay press toss in a few gratuitous snipes about wasted effort, foolhardiness, etc. But like Alex, "it doesn't bother me that much either," and I'm going to keep on keepin' on!
gmginsfo, do you think it possible that if the gay and mainstream press didn't ignore your accomplishment in CA, it wouldn't happen? This may sound like a snipe, but it isn't. I sincerely question whether mainstream Republicans would be willing to compromise on anything with LCR if they thought it would be a story.
No JQ, I don't, and that's a good question because thinking about the answer to it confirms what we're doing. There were enough mainsream GOPers in CA who supported me in yanking that garbage from the platform to make it stick and more who weren't in on that deal congratulated me afterwards for getting it done. Also, I think there are a lot of mainstream GOPers in CA and the rest of the nation who have their own private beefs with the radical right, some of which are directly supportive of gay rights and others only tangentially so, and are only too hapy to let LCR go to bat for them, even if we do strike out a few times. (Sorry, post-Game 2 metaphors are fresh in the mind.) So I thank you for asking that question because it confirms what we've been doing and the need to keep on with it.
[quote]Originally posted by gmginsfo:
I think there are a lot of mainstream GOPers in CA and the rest of the nation who have their own private beefs with the radical right
It might help their cause if these people would make their private beefs quite public.
I think there are a lot of mainstream GOPers in CA and the rest of the nation who have their own private beefs with the radical right
It might help their cause if these people would make their private beefs quite public.
[quote]Originally posted by gmginsfo:
RZB, Knowing Alex, I can tell you that those who only criticize him and other LCRepuBlicans for the work they do would definitely bother him. People with closed minds who refuse to acknowledge that without LCR working within the GOP there will only be more stories like this one would also bother him. I'm sure die-hard Democrats aren't bothered by this at all.
Here's what bothers me: successfully working within the CA GOP to DELETE such language from our last platform and then having that not-minor accomplishment ignored by the press, mainstream but especially gay, and then having the gay press toss in a few gratuitous snipes about wasted effort, foolhardiness, etc. But like Alex, "it doesn't bother me that much either," and I'm going to keep on keepin' on!
Ever thought about moving to Texas?
RZB, Knowing Alex, I can tell you that those who only criticize him and other LCRepuBlicans for the work they do would definitely bother him. People with closed minds who refuse to acknowledge that without LCR working within the GOP there will only be more stories like this one would also bother him. I'm sure die-hard Democrats aren't bothered by this at all.
Here's what bothers me: successfully working within the CA GOP to DELETE such language from our last platform and then having that not-minor accomplishment ignored by the press, mainstream but especially gay, and then having the gay press toss in a few gratuitous snipes about wasted effort, foolhardiness, etc. But like Alex, "it doesn't bother me that much either," and I'm going to keep on keepin' on!
Ever thought about moving to Texas?
JIP - Actually, they issue press releases all the time criticizing the radical right (RR, in GOParlance), but the press routinely ignores them. To report them would undermine the stereotype they've created and are intent upon perpetuating.
RZB - No, I have too many professional and political roots in CA, but I do have a sister in Houston I visit every now and then. The LCR chapters in TX are among the best organized and active in the country and I have full faith in their ability to fight the Texas RR on their own turf.
RZB - No, I have too many professional and political roots in CA, but I do have a sister in Houston I visit every now and then. The LCR chapters in TX are among the best organized and active in the country and I have full faith in their ability to fight the Texas RR on their own turf.
sadly, these well-meaning people are just being used by the GOP to create the appearance of inclusion. never forget that the true goal of the republican party is to marginalize everyone who doesn't fit their image of america. their evil is very much alive - and dangerous.
Hogeye,
I agree with you re the GOP use of LogCabin as a sort-of "trophy" group (though I think that "evil" Republicans are a minority). I used to think of Log Cabin when I saw the scene in "Animal House" in which the snotty fraternity sat the guys that would never ever receive a bid all together in one room. Nope, they'd never kick them out of the house, but their presence was barely tolerated, and in a humiliating, token way.
After having lived in the SF Bay Area for 11 years (gmg, that's why I know where you hang out ), I have modified my opinion somewhat. If there are gay/lesbian Republicans who want to be a thorn in the GOP's side, fine. Somebody has to do it. Without Log Cabin's presence, Joe/Jane Average GOP'er would never be able to say that they know no gay people. But I'm still not sure how much of a difference it makes, though that takes nothing away from the California group's accomplishment.
As a lifelong Democrat, though, I'm going to sit back and rewind the John McCain appearance from last week's Saturday Night Live. He is the kind of Republican that I could respect as a president.
gj
I agree with you re the GOP use of LogCabin as a sort-of "trophy" group (though I think that "evil" Republicans are a minority). I used to think of Log Cabin when I saw the scene in "Animal House" in which the snotty fraternity sat the guys that would never ever receive a bid all together in one room. Nope, they'd never kick them out of the house, but their presence was barely tolerated, and in a humiliating, token way.
After having lived in the SF Bay Area for 11 years (gmg, that's why I know where you hang out ), I have modified my opinion somewhat. If there are gay/lesbian Republicans who want to be a thorn in the GOP's side, fine. Somebody has to do it. Without Log Cabin's presence, Joe/Jane Average GOP'er would never be able to say that they know no gay people. But I'm still not sure how much of a difference it makes, though that takes nothing away from the California group's accomplishment.
As a lifelong Democrat, though, I'm going to sit back and rewind the John McCain appearance from last week's Saturday Night Live. He is the kind of Republican that I could respect as a president.
gj
Thanks, GJ, that's exactly what we trying to do, which is why LCR National first supported McCain and lots of us in our CA organization did too. Same for Dick Riordan in the current CA governor's race. BTW, did you catch the reference to us milk-and-cookie eaters in "Animal House?" Them's Betas to me!
Please don't ascribe the mark of evil to all GOPers, Hogeye. (Were you the light man in "Sunset Blvd?") If you want real bigots, look in the KKK, Aryan Nation, Black Nation of Islam, or other racist fringe groups not at all allied with the GOP. "Marginaliz[ing] everyone who doesn't fit their image of [A]merica" is hardly the GOP's goal, stated or otherwise. A LOT of us in the GOP are working for inclusion, yet faulted by others for doing so, leading to a damned if we do, damned if we don't mentality by some. Let the critics flail away; it won't deter those of us who are working to get the party back to its roots from continuing to do so.
Please don't ascribe the mark of evil to all GOPers, Hogeye. (Were you the light man in "Sunset Blvd?") If you want real bigots, look in the KKK, Aryan Nation, Black Nation of Islam, or other racist fringe groups not at all allied with the GOP. "Marginaliz[ing] everyone who doesn't fit their image of [A]merica" is hardly the GOP's goal, stated or otherwise. A LOT of us in the GOP are working for inclusion, yet faulted by others for doing so, leading to a damned if we do, damned if we don't mentality by some. Let the critics flail away; it won't deter those of us who are working to get the party back to its roots from continuing to do so.
OK, gmg, now you've really gone too far!
Next thing you know, you're going to be defending that right-wing extremist Adam Smith!!!!
Next thing you know, you're going to be defending that right-wing extremist Adam Smith!!!!
I am not from Texas, but could just one of the Republicans on this board please explain to my why I am "by behavior" I am contrary to anything. I do not post to this board very often, but I am sure this response will be the same to the people who said Ted Nugent is not a bad guy despite calling us a "pot of piss" or the same people who could not give me a reason why the Boy Scouts of America are a Private Organization (Which I agree with)but still get a number of tax supported perks.
This from the Texas Republican Convention 2004...
Sometimes I want to hold my head in shame for being from this place.
NJ
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The Texas Republican Party has long been on record against hot-button social issues such as abortion, homosexuality and gay marriage. But the recent approval of gay marriages in Massachusetts prompted delegates to strengthen their language on that issue.
The new platform not only condemns homosexuality -- \"the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society\" -- it also advocates felony penalties for anyone issuing a marriage license or performing a marriage ceremony for a same-sex couple.
Platform committee chairman Kirk Overbey of Austin said the panel received more resolutions from Republican activists demanding action on gay marriage than on any other issue.
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/m...politan/2610350The new platform not only condemns homosexuality -- \"the practice of sodomy tears at the fabric of society\" -- it also advocates felony penalties for anyone issuing a marriage license or performing a marriage ceremony for a same-sex couple.
Platform committee chairman Kirk Overbey of Austin said the panel received more resolutions from Republican activists demanding action on gay marriage than on any other issue.
Sometimes I want to hold my head in shame for being from this place.
NJ
NathanJones,I finally had to move to San Francisco 7+ years ago after spending my entire life in Texas. It was just getting too dangerous to be queer. It was okay for a while in Houston, which tends to be somewhat liberal with the strong Montrose contingency. But the last 4 years I lived in Texas was in Dallas. THE most redneck backward baptist hellhole in the universe. I had to get out.
Do you know that while W Bush was govna of TX, he actively tried to block relocation of Apple offices to Austin TX because Apple offered domestic partner benefits to its employees? jeezus h f**kin chrise
Do you know that while W Bush was govna of TX, he actively tried to block relocation of Apple offices to Austin TX because Apple offered domestic partner benefits to its employees? jeezus h f**kin chrise
The TX GOP wants to beef up their marriage protection plank this year by adding "natural" man and "natural" woman to "a marriage shall only be between one man and one woman". Another addition this year: Make it a FELONY to issue a marriage license to a same-sex couple.
After the Log Cabin Republicans were yet again denied a booth at the State Convention this week, some LCR's said they're still voting for Bush, "but all the joy will be taken out of it this year." (How sad for them...on so many levels. )
The LCR's had to rent a "hospitality room" instead of a booth which is = to sit at the back of the bus, shut the f**k up and just vote for us.
After the Log Cabin Republicans were yet again denied a booth at the State Convention this week, some LCR's said they're still voting for Bush, "but all the joy will be taken out of it this year." (How sad for them...on so many levels.
)The LCR's had to rent a "hospitality room" instead of a booth which is = to sit at the back of the bus, shut the f**k up and just vote for us.
To those who have repeatedly reminded us that we still sit at the back of the Democratic bus because of Kerry's wishy-washy response to gay marriage that does not include immediate legalization of same sex marriage, I suppose it would be important to note, at least the Democrats will allow us in their conventions. I hope those tax cuts are going to pay for your dignity.
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RazorbackTX:
Texas repugs wont even let LRC have a booth at their state convention!
Where did they learn how to be so intolerant, from the Democrats? (You DO recall that the Dems refuse to even let those who are pro-life speak at their conventions, even if such speakers are governors of major states.)Texas repugs wont even let LRC have a booth at their state convention!
Oh! The hypocrisy unrecognized by RazorbackTX!
There you go again, MIB. Everything is about abortion, NOT! I've never seen such a fervent fan of back alley abortions and anti-gay legislation in my life as in MIB.
Tell me, if you aren't really a Federal Judge (anymore) what do you do other than judge those on discussion boards whose opinions differ from your own? A hypocrite labeling someone else as one is truly distasteful.
Everything is about abortion, NOT! I've never seen such a fervent fan of back alley abortions and anti-gay legislation in my life as in MIB.Tell me, if you aren't really a Federal Judge (anymore) what do you do other than judge those on discussion boards whose opinions differ from your own? A hypocrite labeling someone else as one is truly distasteful.
And I can understand why those opposed to abortion would not vote for a Democratic candidate. They certainly have a legitimate reason to oppose the party. Frankly, I'm glad my party is uncompromising on this particular issue. That still doesn't explain why people would join a party that doesn't want them to exist.
Because their beloved tax cuts take precedent over basic human and civil rights for us. :confused:
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Well Delay did a good job of confusing the shit out of me, as far as GOP tactics go. I apparently live in the newly redrawn 32nd District, so my Congressman is Pete Sessions ® but he has the Congressman Martin Frost (D) from the 24th having to run against him now for the seat.
So I had a Frost campaigner call me yesterday to ask if I was supporting him and I didnt even know how to respond until today. But believe me, I'll be voting for Frost now and whatever other non-Republican I can find on the ballot.
Though I think Pete Sessions is the only Republican in the country not seeking outside support.. Frost and Sessions sign pact
[ June 06, 2004, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: DallasUNC ]
So I had a Frost campaigner call me yesterday to ask if I was supporting him and I didnt even know how to respond until today. But believe me, I'll be voting for Frost now and whatever other non-Republican I can find on the ballot.
Though I think Pete Sessions is the only Republican in the country not seeking outside support.. Frost and Sessions sign pact
[ June 06, 2004, 05:49 PM: Message edited by: DallasUNC ]
I'm in the 32nd District and Frost will be getting my vote and my husband's as well. So that's 3 in this Republican-carved District. Woo Hoo! 
I live in the 32nd as well, as do my parents. That's another 3 votes for Frost. I'm not real confident, but will take any opportunity I can get to campaign for the man. Hes a MOtT anyway.
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MIB:
Oh! The hypocrisy unrecognized by RazorbackTX!
Hello apple, meet orange.QUOTE
RazorbackTX:
Texas repugs wont even let LRC have a booth at their state convention!
Where did they learn how to be so intolerant, from the Democrats? (You DO recall that the Dems refuse to even let those who are pro-life speak at their conventions, even if such speakers are governors of major states.)Texas repugs wont even let LRC have a booth at their state convention!
Oh! The hypocrisy unrecognized by RazorbackTX!
Oh, I do recognize hypocrisy, and you are the master of it, "judge."
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