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CPT_Doom
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According to the records, Bush had been instructed to report to William Turnipseed, an officer in the Montgomery unit. 'Had he reported in, I would have had some recall and I do not,' Turnipseed, a retired brigadier general, told the Globe in 2000. 'I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered.' . . . Reached in Montgomery yesterday, Turnipseed stood by his contention that Bush never reported to him. But Turnipseed added that he could not recall if he, himself, was on the base much at that time .\"

William - this is not the only indication that Bush failed to live up to his commitment - he did not maintain his required flight hours, his superiors in Texas, when he finally turned up again, could perform his annual evaluation because they had no data for the time in Alabama, and apparently Bush was never even accepted in the Alabama unit.

Yes, this should have been more focused on during the election in 2000, but Gore went soft. I say Kerry should pounce on Bush like crazy for this - not only did Kerry fulfill the obligation he undertook for the country, he also took a principled stand when he came back. As for his speech that you quote - I am fine with people saying that Dean's 4-F status, Quayle's National Guard duty or Edwards high draft number, should not be held against them (as I read Kerry's speech, that's what he meant), but there is something entirely different about willingly accepting a commitment and then not fulfilling it. At least Quayle served his time.
illini n milwaukee
William, just because someone is a Democrat doesn't make them one of "Kerry's People". What comes out of Kerry's mouth is what matters.
William1865
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illini n milwaukee:
William, just because someone is a Democrat doesn't make them one of \"Kerry's People\". What comes out of Kerry's mouth is what matters.
People campaigning for Kerry, particularly Max Cleland, are the ones harping on it.

[ February 04, 2004, 03:44 PM: Message edited by: William1865 ]
William1865
Kerry Blocked Law, Drew Cash
William1865
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CPT_Doom:
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According to the records, Bush had been instructed to report to William Turnipseed, an officer in the Montgomery unit. 'Had he reported in, I would have had some recall and I do not,' Turnipseed, a retired brigadier general, told the Globe in 2000. 'I had been in Texas, done my flight training there. If we had a first lieutenant from Texas, I would have remembered.' . . . Reached in Montgomery yesterday, Turnipseed stood by his contention that Bush never reported to him. But Turnipseed added that he could not recall if he, himself, was on the base much at that time .\"

As for his speech that you quote - I am fine with people saying that Dean's 4-F status, Quayle's National Guard duty or Edwards high draft number, should not be held against them (as I read Kerry's speech, that's what he meant), but there is something entirely different about willingly accepting a commitment and then not fulfilling it. At least Quayle served his time.
Capt. Doom, king of the loophole. If you're defending Dan Quayle, you must really hate W. At any rate, I must have missed the part of the speech were Kerry defended Quayle.
William1865
Fact Check

Yes, by all means, beat this like the dead horse it is. You guys should be campaign strategists, you really missed your calling.
fantomas
Today the NY TIMES actually has one of the best lineups of articles I can ever remember--it's a mind-feast! They include articles on:

Kerry's record in the Senate
The South vs. the North in Presidential races
The Right Wing' organizing around gay rights
Rummy's defense of the Iraq War
Homosexuality in the animal kingdom and its implications
A review of Bertolucci's new film "The Dreamers"
The problems at St. John's and its missing president
Winston Churchill's love affair with the United States (did you know his mother was born in Brooklyn?)
The political implications of the Nat Turner revolt

Back to Kerry, though. I had NO IDEA his voting record was so consistently progressive; I lived in Massachusetts for 9 years and had always thought him to the right of Teddy Kennedy, but after just looking at his record, I have to say, he has mostly voted as I would want one of my elected representatives to vote. The article discusses the comparisons with Kennedy, his high profile efforts for the MIAs, and other points along his Senate career. It's an extremely revealing and instructive article.

NY TIMES: High profile inquiries, not bills, dominate Kerry's record

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Republicans maintain Mr. Kerry is every bit as liberal as Mr. Kennedy, and in most respects, Mr. Kerry's voting record puts him solidly in the liberal camp.

He has consistently voted in favor of abortion rights, even on matters where polls showed the public to be in favor of restraints. Last year, for instance, he voted against legislation that outlawed the procedure that opponents of abortion call partial-birth abortion. \"Even on the most difficult issues, we've never had to worry about John Kerry's position,\" said Kate Michelman, president of Naral Pro-Choice America.

Similarly, he has been a strong advocate of gay rights, even when most senators were on the other side. In 1996, he was one of only 14 senators who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, a law signed by President Clinton prohibiting federal recognition of same-sex marriage.

At the time, Mr. Kerry said he opposed gay marriages but felt that \"this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed.\"

Environmentalists also consider Mr. Kerry to be one of their most stalwart allies in politics. He took a leading role in blocking Republican energy legislation in 2002 and 2003 that would have allowed oil and gas exploration in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

\"John Kerry has one of the best environmental records in the Senate,\" said Betsy Loyless, vice president for policy of the League of Conservation Voters.

On other issues, Mr. Kerry voted for the Clinton tax increase, raising the minimum wage, stiff gun control laws, antismoking measures and a nuclear test ban treaty. He voted against the Bush tax cuts, capital punishment, the Star Wars missile defense system and the confirmations of Robert H. Bork and Clarence Thomas to the Supreme Court.
However:

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But there are some exceptions to this liberal record. Mr. Kerry was one of the first Democrats to cosponsor the 1985 Gramm-Rudman-Hollings legislation, which was meant to lead to a balanced budget, and at various times he advocated a lower capital gains tax and the elimination of income taxes on stock dividends.

He supported President Clinton on some legislation that many liberals opposed, including the North American Free Trade Agreement and work requirements for welfare recipients. And more recently he voted for President Bush's education initiatives and the USA Patriot Act, which eliminated legal rules that might have made it more difficult to catch and prosecute terrorists. He has also spoken in favor of federal aid to religion-based charities.


[ February 07, 2004, 02:20 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
sportinlife
And Kerry is, according to one of the Times articles, against the death penalty - apparently growing from his military experience.

It would be consistent with his opposition to the Vietnam War after seeing and participating in the killing that took place.

He doesn't believe killing by the state has a place in the civilian arena because one death is not remedied by another.

One policy of Dean that always confused me about him, especially since he is a doctor, was his support of private gun ownership and the death penalty simultaneously. If you support the distribution of an instrument meant solely to kill other people, why wouldn't you expect that it will be abused. Turning around and killing someone who uses it for the purpose for which it was made seems somewhat contradictory.

I realize this simpifies somewhat but I think the the basic point is valid. The Hippocratic oath to "first do no harm" would seem to discourage that kind of policy.
MIB
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sportinlife:
The Hippocratic oath to \"first do no harm\" would seem to discourage that kind of policy.
The Hippocratic Oath also forbids abortion, so referencing it is useless. The oath is completely meaningless and ought to be scrapped.
sportinlife
One can interpret the Modern Version of the Hippocratic Oath to ones convenience like most any broad dictum.

My reading is that not "playing at God" would prohibit capital punishment but would not dictate taking the life of a mother to save a child.

It would be interesting to know what Doctor Dean's view is. I suspect he finds it irrelevant.
JC
Actually, reading through that site, it is apparent that Dean may never have sworn the Hippocratic Oath, in any form. At one time, most didn't (only 24% in 1928), though most do today. If he did, he may have sworn a revised version. As MIB notes, the classical oath clearly forbids abortion, but then, it also forbids surgery to doctors. In any event, I'm not sure the hippocratic oath is relevant here. He wouldn't be serving the country in his professional capacity in meting out (indirectly) capital punishment.
MIB
Senator Kerry: "I am not beholden to special interests."

Oh really?

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AP article
AP: Kerry Pocketed Speaking Fees


Feb 9, 3:27 AM (ET)

By JOHN SOLOMON

WASHINGTON (AP) - Back when federal lawmakers legally could be paid for speaking to outside groups, John Kerry collected more than $120,000 in fees from interests as diverse as big oil, tobacco, the liquor lobby and unions, records show.

Between 1985 and 1990, Kerry's first five years in the Senate from Massachusetts, he pocketed annual amounts slightly under the limits for speaking fees set by Congress. Unlike many colleagues, he donated a speaking fee to charity only once, according to annual financial disclosure reports reviewed by The Associated Press.

One of the companies to pay Kerry $1,000 for a speech in 1987, Miami-based Metalbanc, was later indicted, along with two executives, on charges it helped the Cali drug cartel in Colombia launder money in the United States. The charges eventually were dropped because the firm was defunct.

At the time of the 1987 speech to Metalbanc, Kerry was chairman of the Senate subcommittee that investigated drug trafficking and money laundering.[/i]
It goes on, but I just copied the main points.

Oh! The hypocrisy! rolleyes.gif

[ February 09, 2004, 01:19 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
hockeyTom
Now MIB, in all fairness, why don't you report on all the special interests that are tied to Shrub and this administration, please.
MIB
I don't need to. Those are common knowledge. I'm simply pointing out the current campaigning hypocrite who's pulling the wool over Americans' eyes by outright lying that he's not tied to special interests. Yeah, right. rolleyes.gif

[ February 09, 2004, 10:25 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
bobby78751
It's going to be a sweet day when John Kerry gets the nomination and the Bushitter is going to HAVE to stop lying to the American people about the tax issue. Right now, he is saying, "They want to take away your tax cut." John Kerry DOES NOT want to roll back the itty bitty tax cut working families got -- just the tax cut for the wealthy. It's going to be an even sweeter day when we hear President John Kerry. People are saying John Kerry cannot win in the South. In Virginia and Tennessee, he will win today's primaries with somewhere between 40-53 percent of the votes. That sounds VERY good for Kerry's ticket...and bad for the Bushitter.
Bill W
Everyone in this race who states or implies that he is not in financial thrall to corporations is lying -- except (to a large degree) everyone's pet whipping boy, Kucinich. Sentient adults know this, or would if they were familiar with material like Charles Lewis's new book \"The Buying of the President 2004.\"
fantomas
Bill is right, they're ALL on the teat of special interests and lobbyists. But for more on the lies about the tax cut, go to the thread on W's appearance on "Meet the Press." I've posted a list of W's claims and the truth about them--it ain't pretty!
PhillyFan
HAHAHAHAHA you bois crack me up.

but really after takin a small break here... i come back and the Dean-o's are now Kerry-Kids?????? WTF was that?

Did ya all just cross of the Dean-o and write kerry? Just a few months ago kerry wasnt even in this race, now everyone supports him?

Just like Tampa fans... off one bandwagon and right onto another.
DC_guy
1) I voted for Dean today, so I feel like I'm still supporting hime.

2) Many people here have said they will support whoever runs against Bush, so it's not unusual to see support for Kerry at this point.

I will vote for Kerry and support him, but I think Dean would be a better President. Both are better than Bush right now.
gamecock
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DC_guy
I will vote for Kerry and support him, but I think Dean would be a better President. Both are better than Bush right now.
Well said, DC_guy....contrary to PhillyFan's mindless assertions (that's SO rare coming from him rolleyes.gif ) the fact that millions of Dean's supporters (which I STILL am) are now backing Kerry is most definitely NOT "bandwagon jumping" by any stretch of the imagination....quite the contrary, it simply reaffirms the level of disgust and anger that tens of millions of Americans have with W and the astounding lack of leadership skills that he has demonstrated throughout his three years in office....to quote John Kerry's recent speech following another primary victory, "Like father, like son, one term and you're through!"

I, too, would cast my vote for Howard among the remaining six Democrats still in the race (yes, I am including Sharpton and Kucinich in the group) but since reality now dictates that it is a virtual certainty that it will be Bush vs Kerry in the November election, after examining ALL the issues and the strengths and background of the two candidates this is clearly a "NO BRAINER"....this is certainly NOT a "one-issue" campaign but as others have previously stated, how ANY gay man could cast their vote for W and choose to keep an administration in office that has a DEEP HATRED for us and advocates relegating the entire GLBT community to second-class status is something that I will NEVER understand. rolleyes.gif
MIB
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bobby78751:
John Kerry DOES NOT want to roll back the itty bitty tax cut working families got -- just the tax cut for the wealthy.
Uh, yes he does. Plus, the "wealthy" as defined by the Democrats is a 5-figure salary. What a bunch of anti-capitalist, unrealistics morons.
gamecock
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MIB
the \"wealthy\" as defined by the Democrats is a 5-figure salary. What a bunch of anti-capitalist, unrealistics morons.
Even the right-wing contingent on this board may make a FEW valid points on occasion but to claim that ANY Democrat considers a U.S. citizen earning $10-15,000/YEAR to be "WEALTHY" is absolutely absurd and a blatant misstatement of the facts! rolleyes.gif

[ February 10, 2004, 12:33 PM: Message edited by: gamecock ]
bobby78751
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MIB:
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bobby78751:
John Kerry DOES NOT want to roll back the itty bitty tax cut working families got -- just the tax cut for the wealthy.
Uh, yes he does. Plus, the \"wealthy\" as defined by the Democrats is a 5-figure salary. What a bunch of anti-capitalist, unrealistics morons.
Please, tell me where you get this information. Also, attach a link to back it up. BTW, I guess 2.6 million new jobs this year isn't the idea of an unrealistic moron either, eh? I'm waiting for that link...
MIB
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gamecock:
Even the right-wing contingent on this board may make a FEW valid points on occasion but to claim that ANY Democrat considers a U.S. citizen earning $10-15,000/YEAR to be \"WEALTHY\" is absolutely absurd and a blatant misstatement of the facts! rolleyes.gif
Show me where I sais "$10-$15K" a year is wealthy. The Dems for yhears have believed that people making $75,000 a year are wealthy. This isn't wealthy for a single OR a married person.
PhillyFan
Kerry running on hiking taxes! YEAH! Thats gonna go over quite well.

However, if you make 10-15k in the united states, you dont pay any income taxes (or very very little). If Kerry was intrested in LOWERING taxes for the poor, he should lift some of the gas tax. Instead of playing a game of who pays more in taxes or who pays less.

You dems are the ones who are fooled by this because taxes are based on RATES, not amount paid. In the end the rich do pay more than their fair share of taxes, not the poor. If anything the poor get off cheap or get a free check from the govt for being poor. EIC anyone?

That is why it's a PROGRESSIVE tax system kids. The more you make the more you pay as a %. So when you have tax cuts, naturally the ones who pay more get a bigger dollar drop. It's quite simple math.

Then again, Libs never seem to get that.. they are hateful of people who actually make money.
bobby78751
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MIB:
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bobby78751:
John Kerry DOES NOT want to roll back the itty bitty tax cut working families got -- just the tax cut for the wealthy.
Uh, yes he does. Plus, the \"wealthy\" as defined by the Democrats is a 5-figure salary. What a bunch of anti-capitalist, unrealistics morons.
Hey, you're wrong again! On John Kerry's website, it says, "John Kerry has the courage to roll back Bush’s tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans ..." NOT the working poor...the wealthy is whose tax cuts will be eliminated.
John Kerry and taxes.
PhillyFan
Hey Bluebird...

You are forgetting something way more important here kids... let's just say that the stiff gets elected. Just how is he going to repeal these taxes? Are you forgetting about the Repub Congress and Senate?

Kerry can talk till he is blue in the face about repealing taxes here and there, but unless he's got control of both houses there isnt shit he can do but throw out hot air to you guys.

Tally ho
Lksimcoe
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PhillyFan:
Hey Bluebird...

You are forgetting something way more important here kids... let's just say that the stiff gets elected. Just how is he going to repeal these taxes? Are you forgetting about the Repub Congress and Senate?

Kerry can talk till he is blue in the face about repealing taxes here and there, but unless he's got control of both houses there isnt shit he can do but throw out hot air to you guys.

Tally ho
Quite easy.

Either he vetoes legislation to make the tax cuts permanent, or he uses his line item veto to veto the tax cuts for the wealthy becoming permanent.


Oh

And this morning, Shrub said he wants to add another 1 TRILLION to the debt, over and above everything else.

Now it looks like the great-grandchildren area mortgaged as well
CPT_Doom
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Show me where I sais \"$10-$15K\" a year is wealthy. The Dems for yhears have believed that people making $75,000 a year are wealthy. This isn't wealthy for a single OR a married person.
That reminds me of the day that my econ professor asked all of us to raise our hands if we thought we were middle class (this was in 1986 - 1987). Then he asked us to raise our hands only if our parents (combined) made less than 50,000/year - I was the only kid in the class who kept his hand raised - and the only truly middle-class person. At that point, 50,000 was considered wealthy, because only the top few percent of families made more than that.

So, yes, MIB, as a man who makes more than $75k, I know that I am wealthy. Can I buy whatever I want when I want it? No, but I have absolutely no problem paying for housing, clothing, food and entertainment, and even buying a 250k house last year did not adversely affect my ability to meet my basic, and some luxury, needs. The only sacrifice was having to keep my 8 year old car for 2 more years.

It surprises so many people to find out how low an income level "wealthy" really represents - and how many of our fellow citizens are making do with only 25, 30 or 40k/year.
MIB
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Lksimcoe:
Quite easy.

Either he vetoes legislation to make the tax cuts permanent, or he uses his line item veto to veto the tax cuts for the wealthy becoming permanent.

Uh, what "line item veto"? The president does not have the constitutional authority of a line item veto.

Try again, but thanks for playing. smile.gif
MIB
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CPT_Doom:
So, yes, MIB, as a man who makes more than $75k, I know that I am wealthy.
So then why don't you submit more to the IRS each year when you do your taxes if you feel so "wealthy"? If you think you're not paying enough, then pony up to the bar and do your part for pete's sake. Give the State your money.

$75K for a single person ain't wealthy, regardless of where one lives. With mortgage/rent payments, federal income taxes, state income taxes (depending on which state), FICA taxes, Medicare taxes, a half-dozen communication taxes, property taxes, local sales taxes, utilities, food, etc., $75K isn't close to wealthy.
TomFord
Kerry and intern scandal?
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XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX THU FEB 12, 2004 11:45:28 ET XXXXX

CAMPAIGN DRAMA ROCKS DEMOCRATS: KERRY FIGHTS OFF MEDIA PROBE OF RECENT ALLEGED INFIDELITY, RIVALS PREDICT RUIN

**World Exclusive**
**Must Credit the DRUDGE REPORT**

A frantic behind-the-scenes drama is unfolding around Sen. John Kerry and his quest to lockup the Democratic nomination for president, the DRUDGE REPORT can reveal.

Intrigue surrounds a woman who recently fled the country, reportedly at the prodding of Kerry, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned.

A serious investigation of the woman and the nature of her relationship with Sen. John Kerry has been underway at TIME magazine, ABC NEWS, the WASHINGTON POST and the ASSOCIATED PRESS, where the woman in question once worked.

MORE

A close friend of the woman first approached a reporter late last year claiming fantastic stories -- stories that now threaten to turn the race for the presidency on its head!

In an off-the-record conversation with a dozen reporters earlier this week, General Wesley Clark plainly stated: \"Kerry will implode over an intern issue.\" [Three reporters in attendance confirm Clark made the startling comments.]

The Kerry commotion is why Howard Dean has turned increasingly aggressive against Kerry in recent days, and is the key reason why Dean reversed his decision not to drop out of the race after Wisconsin, top campaign sources tell the DRUDGE REPORT.


[ February 12, 2004, 08:49 AM: Message edited by: TomFord ]
Lksimcoe
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MIB:
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Lksimcoe:
Quite easy.

Either he vetoes legislation to make the tax cuts permanent, or he uses his line item veto to veto the tax cuts for the wealthy becoming permanent.

Uh, what \"line item veto\"? The president does not have the constitutional authority of a line item veto.

Try again, but thanks for playing. smile.gif
MIB

I thought the President had a line item veto.

If I remember my SOTU speeches, in President Clinton's last one, he talked about it as it being one of the accomplishments.

I might have mis-understood, but he talked about getting that law passed, even with a Republican Congress and Senate.

If I'm wrong, then I apologize.

As for the sarcasm. No comment.
fantomas
Okay, don't tell me that yet another tall, thick-haired, smart Democrat has a sex scandal brewing...sheesh! Say it ain't so, John Kerry, say it ain't so! I hope this is yet more right-wing outrageousness rather than something that could be real, because if Kerry IS running knowing that he had this affair going on and how it would blow up in the Democrats' face, he really shouldn't be anywhere NEAR anyone's election. And Dean, for all his frothing, ain't going to get the nomination either. It'll be Edwards by default, with either Gephardt or Clark in tow.
m1
In another thread, golfer 20 posted

http://www.drudgereport.com

It's already been picked up by Fox and Boston radio. Look out...
bobby78751
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m1:
In another thread, golfer 20 posted

http://www.drudgereport.com

It's already been picked up by Fox and Boston radio. Look out...
Faux News has it before CNN? Wow! That sure is fair and balanced reporting. Idiots.
TomFord
False alarm, apparently: Kerry was not married at the time, and, it wasn't even his intern according to www.dailykos.com.

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...it's a bullshit story. Kerry had an active and public romantic life in between his first wife and Theresa. I remember reading about his \"wild\" days in the Senate somewhere. But he was single (or at worst legally separated), and darn it, being single and having sex is a good thing. And the dalliances weren't even with his interns.

Problem is, news headlines will simply say the words \"Kerry\" and \"intern\", and the Clinton association will do the rest of the dirty work. There are also some very hazy details, such as whether this is a \"new\" affair or stems from his days as an eligible Senate bachelor. Either way, I say \"who the f**k cares\".
hockeyTom
Sleaze alarm please. The Repuglicans will make this probably the sleaziest Presidential election in our nations history. Count on it.Anything and everything to win.
theodoresdaddy
I just can't imagine any gay person defending or voting for Bush. You are voting against civil rights for YOURSELF!

Please go back in the closet and let the rest of us adults make the decisions.
MIB
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Lksimcoe:
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MIB:
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Lksimcoe:
Quite easy.

Either he vetoes legislation to make the tax cuts permanent, or he uses his line item veto to veto the tax cuts for the wealthy becoming permanent.

Uh, what \"line item veto\"? The president does not have the constitutional authority of a line item veto.

Try again, but thanks for playing. smile.gif
MIB

I thought the President had a line item veto.

If I remember my SOTU speeches, in President Clinton's last one, he talked about it as it being one of the accomplishments.

I might have mis-understood, but he talked about getting that law passed, even with a Republican Congress and Senate.

If I'm wrong, then I apologize.

As for the sarcasm. No comment.
LK, first of all, my apologies if my sarcasm came across as insulting or condescending. I was just having some fun with that line but realize now it didn't sound like I had intended, even WITH the emoticon added. Mea culpa!

Secondly, regarding the line item veto, you are on the right track. Presidents for years have begged for the line item veto. Clinton wanted it, Reagan wanted it, but Congress wouldn't go for it, until the Republicans took control and in 1996 passed the line item veto act, which Clinton signed into law (Public Law 104-130, 110 Stat. 1200).

However, Members of Congress led by Mr. Pork himself, Senator Robert Byrd, challenged this in court. The Supreme Court took the case and ruled this version of the line item veto unconstitutional. The Court has not yet ruled if the line item veto per se is constitutional or not.

There are good debates on this in light of the Constitution's language of a president's veto power. BTW, did you know that nowhere does the Constitution even mention "veto"? Anyway, whether the line item veto is constitutional on its face is a matter still to be decided.

Hope this information helps.

FYI, HERE'S an old article from the Cato Institute about this.

[ February 12, 2004, 02:46 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
fantomas
So was the intern situation before he married Teresa Heinz or after? If it was before, who gives a damn? (Except Right Wing kooks?)

And where's MIB to talk about how vile and sleazy the Right is when they want to smear someone? First it's French Kerry, then it's Botox Kerry, then it's Fonda Kerry, now it's Interngate!
MIB
As far as I know, FT, this isn't the "right" smearing Kerry. Clark first made the comment about an intern, Drudge apparently is reporting this. Republicans and the White House have so far been silent.

Just because a scandal pops up against a liberal doesn't mean it was sleazed by the Right. Then again, that IS the only defense the Left has when such scandals prove true. They just turn it around and claim it's a right-wing conspiracy.

That excuse has really grown old.
William1865
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puckman1:
Sleaze alarm please. The Repuglicans will make this probably the sleaziest Presidential election in our nations history. Count on it.Anything and everything to win.
I'm pretty confident this was not a Republican hit job. You obviously don't understand politics, strategy, etc, or at least you can't grasp the concept that President Bush and Republicans aren't behind every random occurence of which you don't approve, but let me try to explain: President Bush has the Republican nomination. It's February. Election Day's in November. Thus W and the GOP have eight months to go after the Dem nominee, once it is determined, and as anyone with half a brain will tell you personal attacks/negative campaigning are much more effective closer to Election Day (say, if it's revealed the weekend before an election that Candidate B had a DUI at some point, but never bothered to share that with any one). So if Bush/the GOP have anything damaging on Kerry, it's in their best interest to save it until after he gets the nomination and Election Day is closer at hand. Meanwhile, if Edwards and Dean want the Dem nomination, they have a few days to attack Kerry (the frontrunner) with whatever ammo they have handy if they're to even have a chance of getting close to the top of the ticket. Now, children: Can anyone guess who is more motivated right now to smear/tarnish/attack Kerry?
BPT-336
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William1865:
Now, children: Can anyone guess who is more motivated right now to smear/tarnish/attack Kerry?
Who is Howard Dean? eek!
MIB
Personally, William, I'm a bit skeptical about this whole "scandal" anyway. I'll believe it when I see it, I guess you might say.
William1865
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MIB:
Personally, William, I'm a bit skeptical about this whole \"scandal\" anyway. I'll believe it when I see it, I guess you might say.
Same here, which is another reason I don't think it's a Republican thing. It smacks of desperation, and right now the desperate ones are John Edwards and Howard Dean. I'm confident that my fellow Republicans are evil enough to come up with something better than this.
twin58
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MIB
The president does not have the constitutional authority of a line item veto.
True. Only one American president has had a line item veto available to him.
MIB
And just which president is that, twin? wink
twin58
(Leaning out the window of my pickup truck and spitting tobacco juice on your shoes)

Just what kinda history they teachin' y'all up there?

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In early February 1861, the states of the lower South established a new government, the Confederate States of America, in Montgomery, Alabama, and drafted a constitution. Although modelled on the U.S. Constitution, this document specifically referred to slavery, state sovereignty, and God. It explicitly guaranteed slavery in the states and territories, but prohibited the international slave trade. It also limited the President to a single six-year term, gave the President a line-item veto, required a two-thirds vote of Congress to admit new states, and prohibited protective tariffs and government funding of internal improvements.


[ February 12, 2004, 09:27 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
hockeyTom
William I think I understand politics and strategy just fine thank you, probably at least as well as you do if not maybe a bit better. Thanks for your vote of confidence. By the way read the latest ABC/Washington Post poll results, on Shrub, a couple of times for me if you would please. biggrin.gif
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