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charliecstl
This interesting article was published in the International Herald Tribune. It ponders the question that people are talking about, what is next on the agenda for the administration.

The article discusses the move to a temporary regime to control Iraq and how the UN (despite the US being pressed by allies) will not play a major role.

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Given that possession is nine-tenths of the law, the government of Iraq will undoubtedly be taken over by former General Jay Garner - a protégé of Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, a unilateralist - and his shadow cabinet of former diplomats and businessmen named as interim authority for Iraq.
Then it discusses which country will be next on the chopping block. The usual suspects:

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Until now the existence of a \"next\" has been in some doubt. But unless victory in Iraq is marred by a punishing irregular resistance, or a persisting political breakdown and factional struggle, the Bush administration seems likely to proceed with the neoconservatives' program for remaking, by military means if necessary, the political culture of the Muslim Middle East.

That means building on the political reconstruction of Iraq to cause eventual \"regime change,\" spontaneous or otherwise, in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Egypt and Libya. (North Korea is another problem.)
The most interesting aspect of the article has to deal with the motivations of the neo-conservatives within the administration. He basically points to three things being at play:

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The first is that they act out of fear . They are motivated by fear of terrorist bands, armed by Islamic states, wielding weapons of mass destruction, even though this is politically, technologically and militarily highly implausible.

There is an element of hysteria in this fear , as there was a quarter-century ago when Washington convinced itself that a victory by peasant insurgents in Vietnam would lead to world domination by \"Asian communism\" and to the isolation and destruction of the United States.

Second, they are naive . Krauthammer says it is \"racist\" to think that \"Arabs\" can't govern themselves democratically. The problem in the Middle East is not \"Arabs.\" The problem is a powerful historical culture that functions on categories of value absolutes and religious certainties hostile to the pragmatic relativisms of Western democracy. Military conquest and good intentions will not change that .

Finally, the neoconservatives are fanatics . They believe it is worth killing people for unproved ideas. Traditional morality says that war is justified in legitimate defense. Totalitarian morality justifies war to make people or societies better .
Here is the full text of the article:

The Neo-Conservative Agenda: What's Next?
PhillyFan
I say next on the list, we teach those Frenchies a nice little lesson...
bluebird48234
Excerpted:

"Finally, the neoconservatives are fanatics. They believe it is worth killing people for unproved ideas. Traditional morality says that war is justified in legitimate defense. Totalitarian morality justifies war to make people or societies better."

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Exactly: but, in whose eyes will society be "better"? frown
charliecstl
That was one of the main points of the article. Change enacted by force seldom becomes integrated in the new mindset. Once the threat of force is no longer new and effective, things revert back to the status quo. Lets not forget the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is DECADES old, despite the ongoing and continual use of force.
fantomas
From Eliot Weinberger's book 9/12: New York After (Paradigm Press: Univ. of Chicago)--this was written well before either 9/11 or recent events. How prescient....:

"January 27, 2001. . . [Cheney and Rumsfeld's] principal concerns will be
to resurrect Reagan's science-fiction Star Wars defense system (against
whom is unclear) and, equally terrifying, a return to Iraq. In their
circles, the Gulf War is seen as a failure because it did not end with the
assassination of Saddam Hussein. . . On Day One of the Bush presidency, the
front pages of the newspapers were already carrying stories about the
buildup of ëweapons of mass destruction' in Iraq. The only spontaneous
news, of course, is earthquakes and plane crashes; the rest is always
created by someone. If the economy sinks, as it probably will, a return to
Iraq will certainly be the most expedient distraction."


Paradigm Press/University of Chicago Press

[ April 11, 2003, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
fantomas
And now a piece from Michael Lind, the conservative apostate, who like Kevin Phillips has been telling the truth on these people for years.

The War in Iraq
fantomas
If you can't access the Lind piece:

Some choice bits:
 
America's allies and enemies alike are baffled.

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[ April 11, 2003, 12:55 PM: Message edited by: m1 ]
PhillyFan
WHOA and i'm accused of posting conservative propaganda.... you could spell the liberism just opening the tread...
fantomas
Huh? Please speak English. Michael Lind is a c-o-n-s-e-r-v-a-t-i-v-e. He edited a conservative newspaper, he has worked for conservatives, his overall political stance is conservative. In the real sense of the word. Not neo-conservative, not fascistic, not mind-control-robot-zombie-whatever-RNC-says. He abominates these people who are running Washington now. And he was one of them, not a former happy-go-lucky-Troskyite wannabe liberal.

Read what he wrote before spouting off.
Jim Allen
It's too easy, Fantomas, shooting fish in the barrel it is.......
thersis
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Jim Allen:
It's too easy, Fantomas, shooting fish in the barrel it is.......
how true, how true. in a battle of wits, i fear he is dueling with an unarmed man!
charliecstl
LMAO!!!!
sportinlife
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Interesting. I am not clear on all of the meanings of many of the lon-winded political terms but the principles involved are very simple IMO.

Some people think you can force others to do right and others believe you can only set an example by doing it yourself.
Herr Tiggee
Well, I followed the link, and was whisked away to a land of Cyrillic letters.

Am I actually supposed to be swayed by the ideas of a "neo-conservative" posted on a site based in some land unspoiled by the Latin alphabet? wink
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