Full Version: NH Primary
Remind me: when do results start trickling in? And the pundit-ing? ...when will that madness start? Just askin'...
I saw on TV (don't know if it is illegal to divulge in the USA) the results of exit polls. After the second of third round of exit polls during the day, the results were:
Kerry 36%
Dean 31%
Edwards and Clark 12%
Looks like Dean is making a very respectable showing (if that is close to the final numbers). Good battle for third place.
Kerry 36%
Dean 31%
Edwards and Clark 12%
Looks like Dean is making a very respectable showing (if that is close to the final numbers). Good battle for third place.
Interesting... anyone know when the final #s come out? Haven't there been changes of fortune between exit polls and actual results?
Dirty tricks. Thanks to NANAE for the link.
Democrats feisty on eve of N.H. primary
Democrats feisty on eve of N.H. primary
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... Dean also complained about dirty tricks, telling one audience that \"unfortunately, we are seeing a few of those tricks. . . . and we are getting better at getting used to that sort of thing.\"
While Dean would give no specifics, campaign spokesman Jay Carson said some Dean supporters have reported receiving telephone calls criticizing Dean for saying he is a Christian while his wife and children are Jewish.
Carson also reported the sending of an e-mail that claims to be from Dean's campaign enlisting interns but saying that homosexuals won't be accepted because of \"tight sleeping quarters\" for campaign aides.
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Yes, I do know the etymology of "feisty."
While Dean would give no specifics, campaign spokesman Jay Carson said some Dean supporters have reported receiving telephone calls criticizing Dean for saying he is a Christian while his wife and children are Jewish.
Carson also reported the sending of an e-mail that claims to be from Dean's campaign enlisting interns but saying that homosexuals won't be accepted because of \"tight sleeping quarters\" for campaign aides.
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UGH
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
If Kerry wins AZ and MO, it's over.
Looks like exit polls are not very reliable. Kerry won by about 12%; a much wider margin. They were preliminary exit polls but still...
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Zeno:
Looks like exit polls are not very reliable. Kerry won by about 12%; a much wider margin. They were preliminary exit polls but still...
After what happened in Florida in 2000 do we really want to believe any poll we see anymore???
Looks like exit polls are not very reliable. Kerry won by about 12%; a much wider margin. They were preliminary exit polls but still...
Great. Huge snowstorm and... no cable. Meaning I'm pretty much election results-less now. Last I saw, though, Clark had edged Edwards for third. But, honestly, I'm not sure what all this means. If Kerry is just going to walk away with this, are we just going thru the motions, or can Clark or Edwards surge, still?
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The B Man:
UGH
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
But hey! He says he's an outsider and not beholden to special interests. What???UGH
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
He's in bed with special interests just as much as every other damn Senator is.
Kerry is worthless. Tonight, he was READING a speech at his RALLY. He's two-faced, he looks weird, he has a 20-year history of Senate votes to pore over, and he only got where he was because of 1) Dean and Gep's negative campaigning murder-suicide and 2) the Dean Scream. (Add to that Clark pulling out of Iowa and turning out to be a complete dud.) Plus, his voting record is "more liberal than Ted Kennedy," which has been found to be true...expect to hear that phrase from the pundits nonstop this summer, after they have anointed him the nominee. Did I mention he looks weird?
If there wasn't just one week for Edwards or Dean to regain some mo between now and next Tuesday, they might be able to do something. Tarmac campaigns just don't capture that much interest in so little time, especially with an obviously pro-Kerry media. Oh well...
If there wasn't just one week for Edwards or Dean to regain some mo between now and next Tuesday, they might be able to do something. Tarmac campaigns just don't capture that much interest in so little time, especially with an obviously pro-Kerry media. Oh well...
Doesn't Kerry remind anyone of Dukakis? The whole Northeast Liberal thing seems very familiar, and I think if Kerry is nominated the results of the general election with Bush will seem familiar too. Speaking as a Republican, I see John Edwards as Bush's greatest threat. The Democrats must have a viable candidate that can win in the south.
I strongly believe John Edwards CAN win in the south. Wes Clark is turning into a fizzle. Edwards SAYS he is leading in Oklahoma and South Carolina (his birthplace) for next Tuesday. He skipped Iowa to focus on New Hapshire and he gets a tiny 12 or 13 percent of the vote? It should have been his week to have been screaming and going apeshit last night.
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The B Man:
UGH
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
I hope this won't stop you from voting for him if he wins the nomination. UGH
I do NOT like John Kerry.
At all.
f**k.
I don't trust the man, and he's apparently just won the NH primary. This sucks.
279 days until our regime change.
BTW, if John Kerry wins, when was the last time we had an immigrant First Lady? Teresa was born in Mozambique.
[ January 28, 2004, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
[ January 28, 2004, 06:19 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
I think Edwards would be the only Dem with a chance in November, simply because he could make some of the Southern states at least competitive with Bush. With Kerry every southern state is easily in the Republican column, and most other states will wind up there as well. Massachusetts will be Taxachusetts, and Kerry's obvious links to Ted Kennedy and Michael Dukakis will be pointed out nonstop. Kerry - or any Northeastern liberal - at the top of the ballot guarantees 40+ states in the Republican electoral column.
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Munson Man:
Kerry - or any Northeastern liberal - at the top of the ballot guarantees 40+ states in the Republican electoral column.
Care to bet? I fully expect the worst in November (unless W self-immolates, which is a palpable possibility), but Kerry would win more than 10 states.Kerry - or any Northeastern liberal - at the top of the ballot guarantees 40+ states in the Republican electoral column.
Someone on another board I visit pointed out it sucks that one region of the country has produced the illusion that you can't win the presidency without it. What if the Bushies absolutely had to win over New Englanders?
ie, just because no one's won without the South lately doesn't mean it CAN'T be done. (The fine art of Republican vote theft will make it hard, of course.)
Any evidence of JK's "more liberal than Ted" voting record, Golfer? Sounds like GOP crapaganda to me.
That said, Kerry is a f**king bore. I'm very dubious that the American public can tolerate him (on an aesthetic level) from now til November.
[ January 28, 2004, 06:53 AM: Message edited by: Bill W ]
I really did like the part of Kerry's speech last night where he said these two things
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- \"Stand with us - and we will give America back its truth as a country where freedom rings, a country of equal rights and civil liberties where the Attorney General is no longer named John Ashcroft.\"
- \"I know something about aircraft carriers for real. And if George W. Bush wants to make national security the central issue in this campaign, I have three words for him I know he understands: Bring it on.\"
[ January 28, 2004, 07:06 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
"where the Attorney General is no longer named John Ashcroft." He should retire that line. If not, he's opening the Dems up to criticism that they're "soft on terror."
I listened to Kerry last night very carefully. It was a very good speech, not as good as Dean's, but I found myself agreeing with him on many issues. I especially liked the part about how he wants healthcare for all Americans of the same standards that Senators and Congrees people receive. Right on John. Being on Medicare, which sucks, this is going to be a strong selling point for Kerry. Healthcare issues are right at the top of Democrats concerns right now. I though Kerry was just fine last night.
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TomFord:
\"where the Attorney General is no longer named John Ashcroft.\" He should retire that line. If not, he's opening the Dems up to criticism that they're \"soft on terror.\"
Nah, it goes over well with anyone who's not a diehard Republican or a Christian Right fanatic. Recall that Ashcrap just said, while over in Europe, that defeating Saddam was good not because he was a horrible, murderous dictator, but because his weapons threatened to use "evil biology and evil chemistry." Oh yeah--let's keep this racist zealot in the AG office!\"where the Attorney General is no longer named John Ashcroft.\" He should retire that line. If not, he's opening the Dems up to criticism that they're \"soft on terror.\"
Anyways, Kerry isn't so bad. He's actually quite a fascinating character. So what if he scares lots of straight white men and gay men think he's ugly. A woman I know said he was sort of "Kennedyesque," and she didn't mean Teddy! He also has a more moderate record than Baby Teddy, but HAS been pro-gay rights, unlike Al Bore and many Democrats, and liberal on racial issues since he was IN HIGH SCHOOL.
Not only would his wife be the first immigrant first lady in a while--and the first born in Africa, and the first billionairess in his own right--but Kerry also, as I've said before, would be the first US president of Czech and Jewish ancestry, and the first in a while to be directly descended from people who arrived on the Mayflower (including one of the first governors of Massachusetts and of Connecticut). He's also a decorated war hero, Roman Catholic, a divorcé, a successful former prosecutor (who nailed the mob in Boston). It's a fascinating combo--he's so mixed he's about as American as we come.
All in all, I trust him more than Bush. I hope Edwards wins the nomination, but a combo of him and Kerry, or Edwards and Richardson, or Edwards and Clark, or Kerry and Clark, would all be preferable to Liar and Dracula.
PS Will the GOP start whining that anti-Kerry commentary in the South is anti-Catholic? Isn't this what they were claiming when they couldn't ram their judges through, even after spying on and stealing the Democrats' computer files?
John Forbes Kerry (far left, in white shirt), sailing with President John F. Kennedy in 1962, on the Naragansett Bay, Rhode Island
Jackie Kennedy, President John F. Kennedy, and John F. Kerry (tall young man in the coat and rep tie) at the America's Cup Races in Newport, Rhode Island, 1962
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