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PhillyFan

Apr 8 2003, 02:18 PM

Funny how the peace people are so violent....

Bill W

Apr 8 2003, 03:29 PM

Caricaturing antiwar people via the fringiest behavior of a handful is Coulterlike... similar to saying all prowar people are typified by Dubya's employees who are Reagan-era thugs, like UN Ambassador Negroponte, or Elliot Abrams, or Info Awareness Chief Poindexter -- all of whom are accomplices to mass murder. (Some can only work for Fox Snooze, like that lunatic felon Oliver North.)

And the puke-in was BRILLIANT. I wish I could puke on the Cabinet and shit down their throats (pass the roughage, please)...

PhillyFan

Apr 8 2003, 03:39 PM

Did you say Fox news? current ratings from last night....

CABLE NEWS RACE
MON., APR. 7, 2003

GRETA 6.3 [RATING]
O'REILLY 5.3
HANNITY/COLMES 4.6
SHEP SMITH 4.4
BRIT HUME 4.0
AARON BROWN 3.7
LARRY KING 3.1
OLBERMANN 1.6
HARDBALL 1.5

PhillyFan

Apr 8 2003, 04:59 PM

twin58

Apr 8 2003, 05:36 PM

Typical homosexuals. Only Fox had the courage to report this story.

http://www.mediaresearch.org/bozellcolumns...col19991115.asp

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The national media made the grisly murder of Matthew Shepard a national issue. With the exception of The Washington Times, the New York Post, and Fox News Channel, they quietly exposed their overwhelming bias in favor of the gay-left agenda by refusing to cover the death of 13- year-old Jesse Dirkhising after he was bound, gagged, and sodomized by two gay men.

Yeah; like they deserve special rights.

[ April 08, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

PhillyFan

Apr 8 2003, 05:47 PM

Talk about making a stretch, by saying that fox covered both stories, arent you saying, they are reporting the news, and the rest are choosing what they cover?

twin58

Apr 8 2003, 05:59 PM

I had thought that my post would require no explanation. That was a mistake.

PhillyFan

Apr 8 2003, 07:07 PM

Well if you read the article the guy points out that, few news services wont pick up that story. That is a valid point. Is he an ignorantass? sure, but thats his opinion.

Better yet, the 2 jackasses who did this are idiots! Guess what, they are gay, the are a couple, sorry there bub that has to be reported. If it were a married couple the story would be reported as a married couple having done that...

The man has one point regardless of his beliefs, are we too unwilling to allow any bad "gay" press out there? Regardless of if this writer is a dope or not.... Take the whole "bug" chaser story.. Next thing we heard was BOYCOTT... The story twisted the statistics, and YES it was bad gay press because there are some bug chasers.

The bug chasers are a bunch of idiots. Dan Savage was the only one i heard say that out loud. Was the gay community mad that we got bad press, or that they twisted the statistics (which any normal person could easily figure out).

People like this guy show themselves for what they are in the end... Let them talk cause they show their true colors... but him pointing out that the main stream press did not pick up on this, thats quite intresting.

Now if you are trying to bag on Fox News.. they reported both stories, arent they are a news outlet supposed to report the news? Would they inturn be report the news and say.. CNN is distorting the news to what they want you to hear/see????? Then again, you just saw some idiot who pointed out fox news and lumped them together... by the way... all of the fox shows are rated above the highest rated show on CNN and MSNBC...

Bill W

Apr 9 2003, 07:40 AM

Anyone interested in having PhillyFan stay on topic? Rather than continuous insane crowing about the Murdoch Propaganda Net's ratings? If not...

Fox NEWS throughout history!

PhillyFan

Apr 9 2003, 09:33 AM

I did not bring up Fox news, a statement was made about them, i simply point out the ratings... Really, other than your bias.... you have no merit when you fox bash.

Charlie in the Trees

Apr 9 2003, 06:14 PM

The always brilliant and always readable Christopher Hitchens -- my favorite leftist (well, except for a few of the guys on this board wink ), writing in Slate on why the anti-War protests were extraordinarily successful: Giving Peace a Chance: The War critics were right - not in the way they expected.

Some of my favorite lines:

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So it turns out that all the slogans of the anti-war movement were right after all. And their demands were just. \"No War on Iraq,\" they said—and there wasn't a war on Iraq. Indeed, there was barely a \"war\" at all. \"No Blood for Oil,\" they cried, and the oil wealth of Iraq has been duly rescued from attempted sabotage with scarcely a drop spilled. Of the nine oil wells set ablaze by the few desperadoes who obeyed the order, only one is still burning and the rest have been capped and doused without casualties. \"Stop the War\" was the call. And the \"war\" is indeed stopping. That's not such a bad record. An earlier anti-war demand—\"Give the Inspectors More Time\"—was also very prescient and is also about to be fulfilled in exquisite detail.

So I'm glad to extend the hand of friendship to my former antagonists and to begin the long healing process. Perhaps one might start by meeting another of their demands and lifting the sanctions? Now the inspectors are well and truly in, there's no further need for an embargo. I noticed that Kofi Annan this week announced that the Iraqi people should be the ones to decide their own government and future. I don't mind that he never said this before: It's enough that he says it now.

What else? Oh yes, the Arab street did finally detonate, just as the peace movement said it would. You can see the Baghdad and Basra and Karbala streets filling up like anything, just by snapping on your television. And the confrontation with Saddam Hussein did lead to a surge in terrorism, with suicide bombers and a black-shirted youth movement answering his call. As could also have been predicted, those determined to die are now dead. We were told that Baghdad would become another Stalingrad—which it has. Just as in Stalingrad in 1953, all the statues and portraits of the heroic leader have been torn down.

Some other predictions, it is true, didn't fare so well. Saddam Hussein didn't manage to fire any poisons into Israel (where they would also have slaughtered the Palestinians), and the Israeli government didn't seize the chance to expel the population of the occupied territories. Nor did the Turks manage to annex Iraqi Kurdistan. Osama Bin Laden, or one of his ghostwriters, did admittedly call for a jihad. But then, he always does that. Meanwhile, the Muslim world and its clerics seem decidedly undecided about whether or not Saddam really was a great Saladin after all. The Sunni Kurds and the Shiite slum-dwellers, who fought against Saddam and who rebelled against him the first chance they got, would appear on the face of it to have as good a claim to be Muslim as anybody else.

Actually, I just posted the whole thing because all of it are my favorite lines! Time for all of us to go to Saturday's anti-War rally near you.

Joe in Philly

Apr 9 2003, 08:50 PM

The Hitchens article is right on target...or would be, if the new Iraqi democracy were actually in place and our troops were returning home RIGHT NOW. Since the aftermath of this war has yet to be felt and may take years to play out, it's just rather absurd. Just like it was silly last week to say we were losing the war, it's just as silly now to go overboard and say that the job is finished. The tough part lies ahead.

twin58

Apr 9 2003, 09:07 PM

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Charlie in the Trees:
\"No Blood for Oil,\" they cried, and the oil wealth of Iraq has been duly rescued from attempted sabotage with scarcely a drop spilled.

Not his, at least.

Excuse my disbelief, but I've seen all this before, several times. Take Afghanistan. The people were celebrating in the streets welcoming the conquering heroes, destroying all remnants of the departing bad guys. Yes, in with the Taliban, and out with the evil Northern Alliance. That's not a typo; it's what happened in October, 1996. So how did that turn out?

Bill W

Apr 10 2003, 07:33 AM

The current pod person Hitchens is about as leftist as Phyllis Schlafly, my dear CITT. And yeah, I guess that stuff Iraqis had flowing out of their bodies must not be "blood." What a vile drunken ass**** is C.H. ...

A wide shot of the "throngs" at the big Fardus Square Statue Pull:

IPB Image

Can we say photo op? Too bad it was ruined by whatever amped-up 20-year-old tied the Stars and Stripes over the statue's face... an Al Qaeda recruiting poster if ever there was one.

As reported this morning on the BBC and NPR, the mood in the whole of Baghdad is somber, with looting and the retrieval of bodies from the rubble continuing, as hospitals are full of the wounded and dying as they await supplies.

gmginsfo

Apr 10 2003, 07:59 AM

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Bill W:

As reported this morning on the BBC and NPR, the mood in the whole of Baghdad is somber, with looting and the retrieval of bodies from the rubble continuing, as hospitals are full of the wounded and dying as they await supplies.

These soured sources say it all. The two most heavily and publicly financed propaganda machines focusing on the negative and not reporting the full story. Now more than ever: cut NPR's funding!

Bill W

Apr 10 2003, 08:10 AM

KNEW that was coming...
Actually NPR's been shilling the "liberation" line fairly steadily, with their own corps of ex-generals. "Don't confuse me with the truth, I listen to Sheppard Smith."

PhillyFan

Apr 10 2003, 09:28 AM

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Bill W:
KNEW that was coming...
Actually NPR's been shilling the \"liberation\" line fairly steadily, with their own corps of ex-generals. \"Don't confuse me with the truth, I listen to Sheppard Smith.\"

Are you referring to that fox show this is always in the top 3 of new cable? Wait, then again ALL of their shows are in the top 5.

Actually, NPR could be used as a example of liberalism.. cant do it on your own so lets have the govt support us! FREEDOM of the press!

twin58

Apr 10 2003, 12:54 PM

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Bill W:
The current pod person Hitchens is about as leftist as Phyllis Schlafly, my dear CITT.

That notwithstanding, I saw him on the late, lamented "Politically Incorrect," now off the air for having been - well, politically incorrect. Oh, CH is sharp as a tack. I don't ever want to get in a debate with him; he is a real master debater. Me, I'm just a - uh, never mind.

[ April 10, 2003, 01:03 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

twin58

Apr 10 2003, 01:05 PM

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PhillyFan:
... a [sic] example of liberalism.. cant do it on your own so lets have the govt support us!

Oh, I thought that was baseball and football stadiums.

PhillyFan

Apr 10 2003, 01:08 PM

Yeah i cant wait for the LINC to open... first monday night game of the year vs the yuccaners, i mean bucs. What is more disturbing, public funds for the stadium, or public funds for a stadium that puts a pirate ship in the endzone?

[ April 10, 2003, 01:09 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Joe in Philly

Apr 10 2003, 08:54 PM

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Bill W:
A wide shot of the \"throngs\" at the big Fardus Square Statue Pull...
Can we say photo op? Too bad it was ruined by whatever amped-up 20-year-old tied the Stars and Stripes over the statue's face... an Al Qaeda recruiting poster if ever there was one.

Heh. Not to mention that the only reason the statue came down so quickly is because the troops brought it down with a tank.

twin58

Apr 10 2003, 10:20 PM

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Bill W:
Can we say photo op? Too bad it was ruined by whatever amped-up 20-year-old tied the Stars and Stripes over the statue's face... an Al Qaeda recruiting poster if ever there was one.

Marine Cpl. Edward Chin, 23, from New York.

Another view of the throng. If you get this Marine's SSN, you might be able to call him up for a date.

[ April 11, 2003, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: twin58 ]

Charlie in the Trees

Apr 11 2003, 07:39 AM

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Joe in Philly:
Heh. Not to mention that the only reason the statue came down so quickly is because the troops brought it down with a tank.

Actually, I thought the fall of the Saddam statue was a perfect metaphor for the entire war effort. The Iraqi people struggling mightily -- but in vain -- to topple Saddam. The U.S. brings in a little segment of our military might and -- poof -- Saddam's down and smashed to bits in the blink of an eye.

Yet another reason to proud of our country.

[ April 11, 2003, 07:40 AM: Message edited by: Charlie in the Trees ]

Bill W

Apr 11 2003, 08:06 AM

It would've been a better metaphor if a few Iraqis had been standing under it. "...tragic but unavoidable deaths..."

Back to the original topic (how novel!)... this anti-Bush columnist has a better way to hit the Perpetual War Machine where it hurts:

Protest? Take your money out of stocks and buy nothing for a month (Matt Taibbi, NY Press)

Jim Allen

Apr 11 2003, 08:38 AM

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Yet another reason to proud of our country

Yes, that's so true. The greatest military might the world has ever seen rumbles through and defeats a ravaged, demoralized country that's been on it's last legs for years and it's a great thing.

You're like the Sooners fan in my office who gets all finger-pointy and starts whoopin' it up when Okiehoma beats some creampuff 67-0. He's strangely hard to find when they actually play somebody good and get their asses kicked. Big f**kin' deal--let's see the US take on a REAL army--China would do--and see how that turns out.

Christopher Hitchens needs to lay off the sauce, seriously. His continuing obsession with Mother Theresa is just unseemly.

And GMG, your comments about the BBC are absurd. I go to a few Britain-based messageboards and the general consensus is that the Beeb is so far up Tony Blair's bum that sunlight is not an option. And these are British football fans, you know, those bastions of Liberalism?

I've heard people bashing Auntie Beeb because *gasp* they actually showed stuff that wasn't in the line of [Monty Python voice] "Gee, aren't our lads just SUPER!!!!" type of rubbish. In a world dominated by Murdoch and his odious media outlets, the Beeb is probity itself. Just because the BBC's news coverage isn't covering this invasion like a football match, with breathless "Oh my! Look at the big weapons they've got!!!" kinds of cheerleading doesn't mean it's "propaganda". I mean, if you watched Fox, the BBC and Al-Jazeera, you *might* get a rounded picture of the war. I for one want something resembling the truth, not flashy graphics with a bald eagle and flag in them telling me what some corporate lackey in New York thinks I want to hear.

And the little I listened to NPR's coverage was pretty much the "Oooohhhh, look at our soldiers with their nice, big toys!!!" kind of cum-shooting all over the military.

But I'm sure you're going to be firing off an indignant letter to the White House about the waste of your tax money due to the fact that the US government has just opened up a propaganda arm on Iraqi TV and radio. Because you're all about journalistic integrity and not just one-sided BS.

Right?

[ April 11, 2003, 09:36 AM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]

PhillyFan

Apr 11 2003, 09:49 AM

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Jim Allen:

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Yet another reason to proud of our country

Take on china? see how it turns out? Tell ya what if it turned out bad, they be shooting your ass for being a fag, how's that for bad?

Who are you rooting for? Obviously not the United States. And if this was is as you say a 67-0 drubbing of SW East Tenn st community college.... Is there not any other way to report the war than a rousing success? However, you would want the news outlets to say, yeah they got their asses kicked, but they had a nice 5 yard run in the first quarter....

After reading this well thought out post that you made, i can honestly use the line, why the hell do you live in america if you hate it so much? You cant even root for our soldiers... you'd rather find a tougher match. Syria and Iran are looking for Suicide bombers ya know....

bluebird48234

Apr 11 2003, 10:02 AM

Michigan (more specifically, the Detroit area) has the largest Arab community not located in the Middle East.

Iraqis protest in Detroit area:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/03/25/...ain546012.shtml

"Iraqis have lived in the Detroit area, including Dearborn, Mich., for more than 80 years.

First drawn there by Henry Ford's auto boom of the 1920s, many more Iraqis have moved there after the 1991 Gulf war. And all of them have opinions about what is happening in their homeland, The Early Show Correspondent Melinda Murphy reports."

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http://www.laresistencia.org/eng/NDSMASAI2...I2003Intro.html

"We call on people everywhere to come together for the second February 20 National Day of Solidarity with Muslim, Arab and South Asian Immigrants. We are at a critical and historic moment. This time they are coming for the Muslim, Arab and South Asian immigrants. Now is the time to sound the alarm and act."

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http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/04/02/...ain547442.shtml

"The work on the exile project began in earnest just a month ago, when Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz went on a recruiting trip to Dearborn, Michigan, home to the largest Iraqi exile community in the U.S. He was looking for the best and brightest of the Iraqi exiles–doctors, lawyers, engineers, anyone with skills needed to help rebuild the country."

Jim Allen

Apr 11 2003, 10:49 AM

Ah Philly Fan, thank you providing so much quality entertainment here. I can just picture you foaming at the mouth at your keyboard. Nice.

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Who are you rooting for? Obviously not the United States.

I didn't realize that it required me to \"root\" for anyone. Am I rooting for Saddam? 'Course not, that's stupid. But I'm not going to start waving a flag I've never owned for a policy I don't support (the takeover of the Middle East by the US) just because the US military did exactly what was expected of them.

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And if this was is as you say a 67-0 drubbing of SW East Tenn st community college.... Is there not any other way to report the war than a rousing success? However, you would want the news outlets to say, yeah they got their asses kicked, but they had a nice 5 yard run in the first quarter....

No, you cheerleader. I want the news media to provide analysis of the history of the region--you know, like the role played by US, British, French, Russian and other western countries in the area--and possible outcomes of the aftermath and report facts, not try to sell me on this war like it was f**king laundry detergent. Most of the news organizations give themsevles away when they call their coverage \"Iraqi Liberation 2003\" or some such bullshit. They are so in awe of our military force and the military that they forfeit any claims to being journalists in the process. They are simply arms of The Propaganda Ministry.

I mean, that photo above is the perfect example of this. If you read the reports like I did--I tend to get my info from papers and the Net, not TV--you'd have thought that the area was a sea of people, all chanting anti-Saddam slogans and planting flowers in US soldier's guns. The reality is a little less awe-inspiring and I resent the attempt to puff it up in to something akin to the Berlin Wall falling.

And it's the exact same on SportsCenter when they try to hype an Oklahoma win against a Bible college as some \"proof\" that the Sooners are some unstoppable behemoth. They spend so much time creaming their jeans over the might and power of the Sooners that they ignore the fact that OK can't pass the ball for shit and the defense might be a little weak. And THEN they act shocked when a \"real\" team exploits those things. \"We thought OK was unstoppable!!!\". I'd appreciate it if the media would stop treating this war as a sporting event and actually report it as, you know, A WAR. The glee on some of the reporters faces when they are reporting people dying and things being reduced to rubble is sickening.

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After reading this well thought out post that you made, i can honestly use the line, why the hell do you live in america if you hate it so much?

Do you keep repeating that because you want a reaction or are you just thick as 2x4? My point, which as usual you conveniently glossed over, was that to act like this invasion was akin to June 6, 1944 or The Battle of The Bulge or the Battle for Leningrad is just pathetic; the total lack of perspective is appalling. Some people are making out like this was some great military victory when, please correct me if I'm wrong, but a good % of \"our boys\" were killed in chopper accidents and friendly fire incidents rather than by the hopelessly overmatched Iraqis. I take no joy in bully's, be they sports teams or countries, wiping the floor with the hopelessly overmatched.

I grew up on military bases, so I'm totally biased, but I detest the military and so when I see the glorification of a way of life that is so negative, so counter-productive to the well being of the majority of people, then f**k it, I'm not going to jump up and down in glee.

And for the record, I don't hate America. I'm just not liking it very much right now. It's like being dumped by someone you love after a long relationship so that they can go off and \"sow their wild oats\".

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You cant even root for our soldiers... you'd rather find a tougher match.

This isn't a f**king game on an XBox. I'm opposed to this administrations goals and I'm sure as hell not going to cheer the fact that they achieved Part 1 of their plan.

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Syria and Iran are looking for Suicide bombers ya know....

You really are a Pod Person aren't you? The demonization of Syria and Iran has already begun to prep the gullible public for the ongoing, never-ending 1984-ish war. I don't think the British are going to be so easy to bribe this time, though.

[ April 11, 2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]

PhillyFan

Apr 11 2003, 11:11 AM

I sense a pattern here, you hate america when the conservatives are incharge, and i'm sure it's killing you that most americans agree with what is going on...

I think they are making Grumpy old men 3, they need a few replacements ya know... i know just the man!

twin58

Apr 11 2003, 11:13 AM

This just in:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle...sp?story=396043

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US says flag incident was a 'coincidence'
By Kim Sengupta in Baghdad
11 April 2003

It was, by any measure, an astonishing coincidence. As the biggest statue of Saddam Hussein in Baghdad was pulled down \"spontaneously\" in front of the world's media, the Stars and Stripes which flew on the Pentagon on 11 September was at hand to be draped over its face.

The US army denied that the toppling of the 20ft edifice by a tank tower was stage-managed. It was a coincidence, they said, that Lt Tim McLaughlin, the keeper of that flag, happened to be present.

jqueer

Apr 11 2003, 11:23 AM

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twin58
the Stars and Stripes which flew on the Pentagon on 11 September was at hand to be draped over its face.

What was that flag doing in Iraq at all? As we all know, this war has nothing to do with Al Quiada and 9/11. This war is about weapons of mass destruction and freedom for the Iraqi people.

Jim Allen

Apr 11 2003, 11:41 AM

*Sigh* Oh Philly Fan, it's been fun, but you're like a sex partner who talks too much in bed, so I'm going to leave it at that.

I don't have a problem with conservative administrations--considering what I think about how the US should be run, ALL administrations in my lifetime (1959-now) are to the right of Attila the Hun in my view--I just have a major problem with THIS ONE.

bluebird48234

Apr 11 2003, 12:04 PM

JA:

Would you even keep the number? Could the sex have been THAT good? I doubt it. wink

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I know Al Gore was tired when he said it (at the end of his campaign run), but told us that we were choosing "between good and evil".

Protracted a statement as that COULD be, what are we going to have to deal with for, say, the next 25 years?

What's going to happen to Arab-world relations and Arab trade with the rest of the world?

[ April 11, 2003, 12:06 PM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]

PhillyFan

Apr 11 2003, 12:28 PM

HEY JA, is that an invitation for sex? I've NEVER been accused of talking too much in bed, and everyone has come back for more, it's best not to talk politics when doing those things.. unless you want anry sex... heh...

Now, if you wanna see someone shoot fish in barrel.....

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bluebird48234:
JA:

Would you even keep the number? Could the sex have been THAT good? I doubt it. wink

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I know Al Gore was tired when he said it (at the end of his campaign run), but told us that we were choosing \"between good and evil\".

Protracted a statement as that COULD be, what are we going to have to deal with for, say, the next 25 years?

What's going to happen to Arab-world relations and Arab trade with the rest of the world?

Birdie are you to assume that at any point and time we had GREAT relations with the Arab-World? Sorry to break the news to you but...

Arab-Trade? The only thing that keeps most of these folks in power is their control of the oil. That is where their bread is buttered, and you really think they plan to mess that up?

Now if you wish to attack my performance in bed, i'm sure many have been in the act with you and said, what the heck is that dude trying to say... and for accusing me of insulting you... you should not throw stones in a glass house.

Dont try to say in another thread i insult your so called "intellegence" and then come post something like that. Only for me to have to address that, then try to ruffle through whatever it is you are usually trying to say but throw in too many big words in to try and prove you are somehow smart.

Like/dislike, argree/disagree with me, i remain constant in what i say and post.

bluebird48234

Apr 11 2003, 12:46 PM

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PhillyFan:
Birdie.....

You've reverted to calling me "birdie", huh?

Unacceptable.

[ April 11, 2003, 12:47 PM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]

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