This is GREAT news for all the
chickenhawks on the board!!

Im sure they'll be lining up from Phoenix to DC to serve their country.

All true American patriots to the front of the line, all cowards remain at your keyboard.

And this...
...is supposed to make the proposal more inviting? So, instead of four years, they would be looking at a TEN YEAR commitment! We've got some real geniuses in D.C. So, PhillyFan, would you be willing to do this? Nah, didn't think so. "Cheer, cheer, rah, rah, bomb, bomb, bomb!"

Thanks for info Raze, how's the ole trailer doing now that it's hitched up to the pickup traveling TX and changing from within?

When are you signing up? I know how you feel about "standing up for what you believe in."

We'll miss you on the board, but we all know what how much Murica means to you and how much you supported the war, be safe over there.

I hear they are also taking reservations for the next trip of american haters to take a hike out of the country.

China needs a few more people, N Korea is also looking for a few good men.

More fitting to you folks way of thinking too...

Do you have a link? I know of some cowards who may want to hide out in China.

The rest of the cowards? Are you collecting a few more of you down in TX to take with you?

Some of ya'all could use some re-education.. N Korea might just be that place.

I know engaging this particular moron in intelligent conversation is nearly impossible, but to the rest of you, when did challenging the leadership of our country become unamerican? It must have been sometime after the Clinton administation, since the very people offering us a one way ticket to a country they seem very comfortable trading with, but would let marry their daughter, are the ones who were most vocal about the failures of the Clinton presidency, particularly his involvement of American troops on foreign soil. So I'm just wondering, did I miss the shift?

It started under Nixon ("America, Love it or Leave It"). Anyone who critcizes the sitting president (if he's in the GOP) or misguided federal policies (but, again, only if they're GOP-sponsored) is anti-American, an America-hater, a commie, etc.

It was under Nixon that the GOP turned patriotism into nationalism. Now, any expression of American patriotic ideals (freedom of thought, speech, dissent from the majority, peaceful protest, etc.) that fails to satisfy the GOP thought police might as well be the equivalent of hating America. It's really sad that the GOP has become the heir-apparent to the Nazi movement.

Last time I checked, a chickenhawk was either an old man that was obsessed with young men, or a hawk that kills chickens. Perhaps you mean hawk or war hawk? Unless you're trying to make the point that older men can now join the military as a means to hook up with the young 'uns. I don't think this would be GREAT news for them though, 'cuz they'd get kicked out for their behavior.

Let me help you out weasel...it's not really that hard to understand.

"Chicken Hawk" are people who are enthused about their country engaging WAR
-- which is why they are called "hawks", -- but who make sure that their own butts
are nowhere near the fighting -- which makes them "Chicken Hawks"

I think they treat Mo's fairly in countries like Egypt, Syria, and Iran. Heck ya'all can even put on your cheerleader outfits and root for the insurgents in person rather than on a board!

Flag burning is hip over there too!

N. Korea might not work, i hear there is not enough voltage for curling irons.

Still around? I figured you'd be packing up to help out your country, we all know you stand up for what you believe in.

Speaking of chickenhawks.....

Heck, Raze, that don't make no sense. You're tellin' me that Chicken Hawks (people who like war but are afraid to engage in fighting) should be excited about enlisting in the military, while a war is going on, knowing that they'd be sent overseas to fight? How would that fit with their philosophy of "making sure their butts are nowhere near the fighting"? This is a real head-scratcher.

Head scratcher,

Do you need the definition of sarcasm?
By the way, what is your position on the war?

Not if you're going to define it. Your definitions don't make any sense.

I suppose I could adopt the tactics of some others and say "my position on the war has been made clear many times and I'm not going to get into again, you'll just have to go back and read my previous posts", but I'll spare you the agony of reading that. I thought it was a mistake to go to war, I think they did a crappy job of planning for the war's aftermath which is leading to many of the problems we currently see in Iraq, but I also think they have to stay there for awhile to try to clean the mess up, because if they don't it could turn into total anarchy.

If you want further details, consult my position papers.

Yeah...like there isn't a bomb in the streets everyday now.

And your point is....what?

I hear they are also taking reservations for the next trip of american haters to take a hike out of the country.


So why is anyone who thinks war is bad an America hater? I used to disagree with Dad, but that didn't make me a Dad hater.

The thing that's wrong with people like Philly is that they are democracy haters. They want to ban any disagreement. But as Karl Popper pointed out half a century ago, in "The Open Society and its Enemies," societies that stifle diversity wind up ossifying and dying off because they can't adapt to new situations, or absorb new solutions.

Which is just where Philly would have us.

Or, if he can't ban us, he can vilify us.

Why do you hate diversity, Philly?

Oh you egghead liberals, always quoting European philosophers. Who's next, Stuart Hall? Theodor Adorno? Pierre Bourdieu?

Too many working minds makes his feel real small....

Hey PF, you can handle the 15 month commitment, right? Well what's stopping you? Run down to the local recruiting office and put your John Hancock on the dotted line. Obviously you are a true American, right? If true Americans believe in the "cause," then they should do dashing down to the recruiting offices by the thousands.

But they aren't. Ironically, the American job market is AWFUL! Know why the 15 month ruse won't lure folks in?...........

4 years or 15 months, it only takes 1/2 a second for an insurrgent's car bomb to turn you into a pink goo of hair, teeth, and eyeballs.

God Bless America! You hippies that don't want to die are just a bunch o'cowards!

[ May 14, 2005, 05:19 AM: Message edited by: AU Tiger in ATL ]

It's very easy to say your for the war, when you know there's no way in hell you will ever be over there. I hear it a lot when I get into discussions about my disagreement with the war. Its very easy to sit back and say Hell Ya send our troops over there, when your ass is not on the line.

I was in Afghanistan for 4 months and its not even close to Iraq, we were only attacked at my location 4 times. I have some friends just back from Iraq they were there for 3 months attacked over 150 times. One person when he left was very pro war and very pro bush. His veiwpoints after returning are totaly different.

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Thanks for your insight azairforce.
The army is cleary desperate - I cant understand why the "give war a chance" crowd, the ones who are quick to proclaim themselves as patriots wont serve in the cause they found so noble.

Meanwhile - see today's NYT - the army continues to deteriorate, recruitment falls, and we find that we no longer have the force to respond to new demands. Surely a wonderful opportunity for all the gung-ho, pro-war crowd to Support our Troops, rally to the flag, etc.

And where are they? AWOL, just like their leader.

great post Razorback!!

The Army and Marines are begging for people. If your that excited about the war in Iraq and want to do your part they will be more than happy to sign anyone up!!

Yawn

FYI, If I recall, the 'four year active commitment' also involves 4 years of Inactive Ready Reserve - so you are only going from 8 total to 10 total. Matter of fact, I think ALL army commitments before this 15 month one always totaled 8 between active, drilling reserve and inactive reserve.

And to the point in this thread, I too am anxious for someone in the administration to say "Hey guys, there's a war on and recruiting's down. If you support the war, we really wish you'd enlist . . ."

Mike

Awwww go ahead and join the military, PF. You've been defending the "cause" for so long its time to put your money where your mouth is. Watch out for, well, absolutley everything in Iraq. The whole place wants to kill you.

Have fun!

YAWN....

Oh Canada america haters.

He's not setting foot over there, are you guys kidding? He's the best kind of patriot, the Arizona armchair kind. I hear he does look kind of cute in a packed flightsuit, though. Not.

Fantomas, PhillyFan is nothing more than a coward and a bully hiding behind a flag. That is the worst kind of patriot. It is patriots like this that are ruining this country with all of their mindless drivel.

PF is all hat, not cattle. His American patriotism is a sham. His only interest on OS is to twist the knife in the side of liberals (if you haven't figured it out by now). But put him the ultimate test of Bush-lovin, flag-wrappin, blind patriotism, and then the charade is revealed.

Even if I loved Bush, I'd still stay out of his FAILED war.

The cowards can only yawn and be defensive, step up to the plate PF, it's only 15 months, why wont you join in the cause you believe in so much?

Wow, I just got slammed for improper post on another thread for implying that a poster who weighs in at 275# on a 6'1" frame (with picture to boot) might go see the latest StarWars flick and eat buckets of popcorn and widemouth soda...

and then I read this thread from some of the site's favorite posters and no one seems concerned about name calling --which is rampant on this one. Wow.

I guess if you're part of the majority here of liberal left types it's ok to name call and slander others... but posters who do it elsewhere are subject to condemnation, scorn, and belittlement? Nice group of folks. Nice.

BTW, I am a hawk. President Bush was right to continue our national effort to remove terrorist threats from around the world... and democracy will take time to root in Iraq and the middle east... just like it did in our country after the Declaration of Independence... the Articles of Confederation... the Tory riots... the Whiskey Rebellion... and even the War of Northern Aggression.

It takes time. It will in Iraq. But thank God for a President with inspired vision... he leads us out of the disaster of 9/11 and into a new dawning of democracy throughout the middle east.

And for those who ask rhetorically "When did criticizing the govt become unAmerican?" Well, in time of national emergency or war... for one. And when did we give Kerry a pass on that so he could take foreign policy differences at home and make political fodder for the nightly news? "I've spoken with world leaders and they think..." Bunk, bull, and ballast.

That was unAmerican. He should be made to go find his medals and return them to his local vet organizations. But instead, he'll be the Democrat's elder statesman... go figure.

Little Filly...is that you under all of that make-up?

No, it's just MIB disrobed..... eek!

Bobby and BPT... nope. Nice try though, from reading some comments made, I'll take that as a compliment. Thanks.

YIKES! HORRORS! AAAUUUGGGHHH!!! It's even worse than I imagined...sort of like the unveiling of Darth Vader in Episode VI.

Hey BobbySue... the reference is priceless. Go check out the thread about people who should be shot... in a humorous vein.

MiniMatt#...I went to the "people who should be shot" thread (the last time I do anything you say) and anytime I hear a rudumblican refer to Star Wars fans as intellectually stunted or emotionally immature, I can't help but smell the sweet roasting smell of irony.

It's PhillyFan on spellcheck.
Well, "Matt" why arent you serving your country? Uncle Sam really needs you.

BTW, congrats on finally posting a message somewhere other than in P&R.

First of all, what is WITH half the Republicans on this board patiently avoiding history? Democracy took root here because the PEOPLE THEMSELVES rebelled against England- France or some other world power at the time didn't come in and force democracy on us like the US is doing in Iraq. And secondly, you might want to buy yourself a history book and acquaint yourself with the US's government under the Articles of Confederation. They were one of the LEAST effective forms of government: no taxation from the national government, no centralized government, all power on pretty much every issue delegated to the states.

And actually, I think speaking out against the government during a war is not only NOT unAmerican, but also completely NECESSARY in a democracy. Maybe in your dreamworld dictatorship it's not.

At least John Kerry had the BALLS to go serve in the military. Bush went AWOL from the Air Force, but Kerry was a decorated veteran. Heaven forbid he speak out against the sick things he saw in Vietnam. Again, consult your history book: the US aimed to INJURE the Vietnamese, not kill them. Hence the reason the M-36 (a bomb that exploded into piece of burning phosphorus) and the "pineapple" and "guava" bombs were developed.

And if this President really inspired such vision and confidence, why did 48 percent of the population vote against him? Seems like he should've done better had he REALLY given the American people vision.

Mini I dont call anyone names on here just voice my opinion and leave it at that and do enjoy reading other peoples opinions.

However how anyone can say for any veteran they need to return their medals earned during war time is just stupid. Does not matter if you agree with John Kerry on his views or not, he earned those medals in war time and should wear and speak of them with pride.

I don't think the war in Iraq will get any better at all and once again as I said in an earlier post, its so damn easy for someone that knows that he will never have to go over and fight in Iraq its damn easy for them to support the war 100%.

No name calling just stating my opinion

Bush was in the Air National Guard. I was in the Air Force and hated to see THAT type-o. I strongly believe Bush is the worst leader that we have had in my lifetime and history will validate that. I hate to think of all the lives lost and all the billions of dollars spend on a war that was his answer for daddy's mistake.

I'm actually pulling for McCain at this point. If he runs in 2006 I'm very likely to support him.

AZ - I completely agree with you. I've had heated discussion with some of my "pro" war Republican friends. NONE of them SERVED their country. Their Daddy's paid for thier college education. Yet, I DID sign on the dotted line (if memory serves me right it's 4 years active, 4 years inactive to the earlier post) and I think it IS AMERICAN to question our leaders. I'll never understand the crowd that think we should not question our leaders ESPECIALLY when it comes to WAR! Those that have never served, or never will, LOVE war - it makes for great television and fills up their otherwise pathetic existance with a sick type of drama.

Once you have served and when you serve you realize that bullets can (and have) been fired at you as a result of your leaders actions. In this case - misguided, falsified facts, personal agenda. I would NEVER want to put my life on the line for Bush and he should be impeached for taking our country and our men and women to war based on lies! I would and have fought for this country. I would die for a cause I believed in. THANK GOD I'm no longer active duty as I'd have SEVERE reservations about the way Bush took us to war, the war plan, and the lack of any other county supporting us (with the exception of the UK). I agree that Saddam is a bad man, but if we are going to wage war on all countries that have evil leaders we don't have the time or the forces to support that effort. In fact, we have a pretty ignornant (perhaps even evil leader) leader in our own country.

McCain in 2006!!!!

[ May 18, 2005, 07:16 AM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

You forgot Poland.

You mean Poland hasn't pulled out their 36 troops?