Wow, the last time we had fervent anti-war, anti-American protesters in OUR country was during the latter half of the VietNam War. Remember the anti-war scumbags spitting on soldiers traveling in airports... remember the antiwar "peaceniks" rioting, looting to advance their political agenda... oh, yeah, antiwar folks are really polite, well intentioned, democratic loving people... just being good citizens is all.

Oh yeah.

When did anti-war become anti-American? Let's see... hmmm, let's blame Nixon! Yeah that's the ticket. I DONT THINK SO.

I'll skip the usual points made about how the antiwar effort undermines our troops, recruiting, and our national resolve to stay the course and complete the mission. But of course, that's exactly what the antiwar left wants... winnow away at national resolve... use the war for political gain... use it to whip up contributions to the Scream4Dean team.

Hollow, feckless, antiwar and unAmerican citizens will always be with us --they were when FDR lied to get us into WWII, when JFK and McNamara lied to keep us in VN, and their very sons and daughters, ill taught and ill bred are still in our midst today. You can protest wars on a lot of grounds... but the majority of protesters today are doing it for political gainsmanship and it is decidedly uncivil and unAmerican. Dissent ala Michael Moore is virtually criminal.

I'm still waiting for Alex Baldwin and his Hollywood moonbats to leave the country and head to Canada as they promised to do in protest if Bush won.

Why do I even care, anymore? This guy is ill-informed and ignorant on the issues. How many antiwar protests in America turn violent anymore? Not many. Care to provide some proof to your claim that they are "decidedly uncivil and unAmerican"? Protesting your government is a right and we should embrace that right especially when our leaders lie to us and get our soldiers killed.

Remember this quote the next time you try to attack those who protest: "To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -Theodore Roosevelt (1918)

Booby, you get a D for reading skills... and a F for logic. Go back and actually read the post. The question was one thing. Your comments take mine out of context... didn't claim today's war protesters are violent. Maybe the union goons in their ranks like to push and shove opponents a little sometimes... but you're right, violence does break out at anti-war rallies here and abroad. But it's the exception for now. When the GOP wins in 2008 again, the antiwar nuts will really pissed and then, katy bar the door.

Ignorant and ill-informed? Nope. Just not buying your spin.

And I love the TR quote --how rich the irony for an anti-war type to quote the 19th and 20th century's most notable war hawk and militarist. It's almost like using the Eisenhower quote to alert others of the evil intentions of the military industrial complex. LOL

[ May 19, 2005, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: MiMatt38 ]

sorry, meant bobby, not booby

And we're still waiting on all you chickenhawk cowards to put your money where your mouth is.
Sign up "Matt", serve your country, get out from behind your keyboard and be a real man.

I wondered when you'd get back to the lame chickenhawk insults, Razor. You are a true icon.

Really? Hummm.

Please explain what makes a war protestor "unAmerican". I AM NOT UNAMERICAN! However, anyone who impedes the right to protest IS unAmerican.

So, what do you think should be done with Michael Moore whom you claim his dissent is "virtually criminal". There is NOTHING criminal about dissent. Now, if you are talking about lies being criminal, well, we can turn the story right back to The Bush White House.

[ May 18, 2005, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

It's really quite simple. Anyone opposing what he wants is unAmerican. When he opposes someone else, it's American dissent. I'm surprised this even has to be explained.

Another bit of shuffle and slide there Bobby.

The point you tried to tar me with was the violence angle. Not your revisionist point about my unAmerican and uncivil comment.

But while we're there, yeah. I think Moore --who I thought was an ass when I lived in Flint and he was getting started with his anti-corporate schlock-- is unAmerican. Flat out, unAmerican. Just like the human shields who trotted around Bagdad b4 the war and were used by Saddam's evil henchmen to trumpet poor resolve on the part of American intentions. Talk about helping to undermine pre-war, action diversion efforts. It only emboldened those idiots in Iraq.

And where are the human shields today? Probably making banners for the UAW goons leading the anti-war protests.

The point of the post and the above comment notes quite correctly is that the anti-war protesters today seem to have a tad too much liberal left organization stamped all over em and a whole lot less CO status... they're in it to discredit the Prez, to gain short term political advantage, and are both uncivil and unAmerican in their conduct.

You know, when TeddyK and others started down that line of using an anti-war rhetoric to gain political advantage, many Americans remembered that it used to be our differences in foreign policy ended at the waters edge. But not with these self-serving political hacks... no issue is beyond baiting. No issue is beyond gamesmenship.

It is unAmerican. And so is being against the Patriot Act. And so is the ACLU. It's a war, Bobby, and the enemy has our country in its sights --not because of Bush or Clinton. But because of the threat they perceive our country represents to their own culture, power structure and way of life.

Remember the taliban blowing up archeological treasures b4 the war? Women in literal economic bondage? Saddam's two miscreant kids?

Come on! Gheez.

jqueer, see above.

Ooooh, fear! fear! fear! When was the last time we had a terror threat level increase? Oh, yeah, it was just before the election. Not much talk of changing terror threat colors anymore...not even when a plane was buzzing D.C. last week. Keep playing the fear card and hiding behind the patriot nazi act.

Being FOR the Patriot Act is unamerican, by definition of the American Patriots- they sought to EXPAND rights, not limit them. Hence the reason why Jefferson and Madison proposed the Kentucky and Virginia Resolutions during John Adams's Presidency (they sought to nullify the Alien and Sedition Acts, another group of acts that limited civil liberties).

And pardon me, but what has the ACLU done wrong? They have fought for the civil liberties of many Americans. They have stood up against people who babble senseless rhetoric like you.

Your posts really seem to fail to grasp what's going on in the world

"Fear, fear, fear." Ok, we got another conspiracy nut loose. Find Oliver Stone and tell him we've got his own conspiracy-buddy for when they go swimming.

Looks like a good Spring scorecard coming: Patriot Act reauthorized without significant amendment. Check. Bolton approved. Check. Judicial nominees freed from Senate captivity. Check, check, check and mate.

Hmmm, I love the smell of victory on the Potomac.

No, it isn't victory you smell, it's the smell of civil rights burning.

Better not count those checks before they are marked. See, it's arrogance like this that makes your party The Party of Fools.

George W Bush...the King of Fear.

Another bit of shuffle and slide there "Matt."
What's your excuse? Hard of hearing in your left ear? Flat footed? Or just a coward like the rest of them....

Wow...does he have to choose just one?

....I'm actually pulling for McCain at this point. If he runs in 2006 I'm very likely to support him.....

My feelings exactly, PewterPirate. He's the only Republican I'd ever consider voting for....I think he stands half a chance if the religious nut-jobs don't crucify him first.

exactly Miller! I think McCain is one of the few politicians that has America's best interest in mind - not just the Republican agenda/Democrat agenda.

Ditto on McCain. I voted for him in 2000.

I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, but he's close enough to be a very appealing candidate. He might be too old in 2008, but he's doing a great job now as elder statesman.

Dittoes all around on McCain. I stumped for him in the 2000 primaries and one of my proudest moments in politics was when he loudly told the Religious Right in CA to go screw themselves. That was greatly underreported, which may have played a role in his losing the primary, but he won my support and I hope he comes back in '06. However, I do share concerns over his age by then. He's had a hard life - thanks for helping to make it even more difficult, Jane Fonda! - and it's starting to show.

Actually, Not only Jonny Mac* but word on the street is there are alot of hip repubs from AZ.
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*The Senator.

There are those that serve their country in time of need and those who wrap themselves in the flag and sit behind their keyboard.

Very interesting, would you please provide a link so we can check out some examples of this? Thanks.

Actually I seem to recall that. He was slightly more diplomatic in his choice of words, but the message was there.

I thought it was SC where he told them off...

Actually, I think he's told everyone off. I dont need a link.

LMAO!

Hey RazorBack, is the purpose of this thread simply to call everyone who supports the war on terror a chickenhawk? The first time I saw that term was over on one of those blogbloats run by the radical lefties JohnA and MikeR... is that where you picked it up? Or does it come out of the labor union political activist jungle?

And what's the point of it? That people who support sending the military to do the job they were hired --willingly and voluntarily I might add but you'll skip that point-- into harm's way are unfit to make that determination?

So you call em chickenhawks? Growing up on a farm in central Michigan, I can tell you that the hawks we had bother the pens were pretty mean, crafty, deliberate as hell, sure-winged, brassy, efficient killers. I saw one of them actually pecking at the tacks holding down the pen wire on top to get into the chicken pen and coop just before I tossed a rock at him (her?) to get them away from the chickens. When there wasn’t any viable food in the hawks’ natural environment, we could always count on the hawks to target the coop, the kitties, or the puppies –unless protected.

Or do you use that term in the bully-in-the-school-yard fashion to call another person a chicken or yellow (which is a term referencing urine stains on a soldier’s clothing in the face of battle)? And I guess the “hawk” part is just the dove/hawk thing. Is it the bully thing?

Let me tell you about real chickens for a second… I liked the horses and dogs more than the chickens and cats on our farm. But being a chicken isn’t really about being scared… it’s about being a good mother and hatching your young in hot coops, it’s about caring for your chicks when they stray until they’re old enough to handle life in the coop on their own, it’s about laying eggs and finding them gone to habit someone’s frying pan and still laying another one a short time later… but it isn’t about being scared. Honest.

Unless you get your farm education from watching Saturday morning cartoons. Then calling someone who expects the military to defend America, when required, a chicken/hawk would make some sense. Not a lot, but some anyway.

So what is it with that term RazorBack?

Good heavens, I just wasted several seconds of my life reading the biological differences between a chicken and a hawk. AAAUUUGGGHHH! I guess when you have nothing logical to say, you divert into biology. What chickensh*t.

[ May 19, 2005, 10:31 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Thanks for the laugh "Matt", good stuff, shuffle and slide....shuffle and slide...

I'll put it another way, knowing full well you wont answer....

"Matt," why is it that you havent signed up to help your country in this time of need? You're pro-war and Uncle Sam needs you.

It seems that Matt has had intimate relationships with farm animals...

wink eek! wink

No wonder he's a Bush fan...

He put his Rick Santorum bumpersticker next to his "Support the Troops" ribbon on his truck.

OH MY GOSH! He's the one telling politicos that if they legalize gay marriage, we will be wanting to marry animals...because he wants to marry farm animals!

Git R Done.

Then put some GRAVY on that sumbitch!!!

I don't suppose this would be the thread to post a plug for free-range chickens...never mind.

OK Razorback, I got it. You took lessons from BobbyDearest on the slide, shuffle, slide and shuffle avoidance routine. IScream4HowieDean committee needs you to write their press releases later today as the party tries to pull his big foot out of his mouth for the second day in a row. God, we really don’t need the three ring circus in DC with IScream4HowieDean around to entertain.

I got it: the answer is SCHOOL YARD BULLY. We can probably add a good dose of undifferentiated anger to that bully bravado you spew. Tell me razorback, does it all stem from wanting to be strong and important? Bully it is. You'd make a great prison guard in Turkey with that attitude and single mindedness, bubba... or wait, were you in the military police, maybe? Prison guard? Nawh, they don’t let bully sociopaths into those units anymore.

Pure and simple: BULLY.

Really? Well, I asked you to prove facts wrong in another thread and you type up your silly lingo and sleeze away. Oh, the hypocrisy!

COPY-PASTER!

Spread your crap somewhere else, and this time, try to comment in each thread uniquely, not copy and paste the same stuff in each thread.

metro --or is that you Razor-- wow, get a life and take a breath between those rants.

Copy paster??? Waaaaaaaaah. Nope, just put the comments in the wrong thread. A mistake. I wanted them here. Gheez, little drama queens are out in full force.

[ May 19, 2005, 01:24 PM: Message edited by: MiMatt38 ]

I'd rather be a teenage drama queen than a old gay Republican who proudly and blindly follows his party without a second thought.

Lesson #1 metro, being gracious we would say... "Oh, sorry Matt. I understand now. I thought you were a COPY PASTER but I see readily it was a mistake." and it might be a reach but you could also follow it with, "Sorry."

Gracious metro, gracious. A teenage drama queen? Really? Wow.

But it's cool; I got your back when you make mistakes also.

He might be old...but never to old to serve his country...but he sure can be too chicken*!
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*chicken = coward (not the poultry kind he grew up with on a "farm").

[ May 19, 2005, 01:34 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Excuse me but...are you trying to say I should say I'm sorry?

You owe every single person on this board an apology, especially Bobby and Razor.

Nice job being hypocritical though.

GatorJamie, too, but I think she is ignoring minimatti now.

Matt the Chicken Lover - is it true that a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush?

Make that Bush.

Pure and simple: COWARD
Just tell us, why wont you serve?

BULLY'S are hot!! wink

You made my day, now get over here and let me "bully" you around.

While ordering in the drive thru or do you just walk in?

99 cent menu or any combo you want?

Nevermind