http://abcnews.go.com/sections/GMA/Politic...y_Gephardt.html
Hmm.... any comments?
and yes Phillyfan, I know that Clinton signed DOMA

She looks kinda old to me, and that butch haircut... hmmmmmm....

why cant we have a hot lipstick lesbian come out? LIke some hot stripper chic with big boobies... GJ would like that.

Phillyfan, be nice!

i am being nice, i'm trying to get a hot chic for GJ, then she'll bring me beer all day long.

You guys crack. me. up. p2, I'm just pleased to see that PhillyFan is thinking of someone other than himself (ok, well, he is thinking of beer-fetchin).

Yeah, although I'm glad that she's out, Chrissy doesn't do it for me.

On the other hand, there's bostongirl, who floats around here on OutSports. She's definitely a hottie (and has big eek! eek! )...

BOSTON! Thats too far for me to go get her...

I'll look around out here... Altho.. everytime i've been to the lesbo bar here... i say.. wow that guy is Hot...wait... nevermind... oh, there's anohter...nevermind...

Go Chrissy Gephardt, and go Dick Gephardt--I mean, the guy is a working-class German-Irish Catholic from St. Louis, and he and his wife unconditionally accepted their daughter, which really impresses me. I think he's got to work on that health care plan, but I'd vote for him. Dean is still tops in my book, followed by Senator Notebooks Graham, but Gebhardt is definitely up there. All were against the PHONY war!

[ June 10, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: fantomas ]

Yeah, about a trillion bux worth of work.. talk about budget deficits....

yeah, but Phillyfan, it may not have costed a "trillion bux" as you called it if we would have undergone health care reform back in 1993 when Hillary Clinton first brought it to our attention, now would it??? It seems like Republicans like to stall or put off anything major as far as legislation to overhaul anything related to the health care system/insurance companies, and/or Socail SEcurity overhauling.
The health care crisis, is not going away soon, and as long as Congress, Democrats and Republicans keep avoiding overhauling/correcting the system, the longer we wait to do something, of course the costlier it will be. As I recall back in '93, it was the Republicans which chose to shoot this down, big time. wink

As i recall there was a republican plan to make social security private (a small %)... but that was shot down by the dems because they couldnt use their scare tactics. Social Security was never meant to be the sole income for retirement. Anyone who counted on that is foolish.

Socialized medicine is a joke. WHERE YOU GETTING THE MONEY! America has THE best health care system in the WORLD. Try reforming the tort law and prices will go down.

Yea, I can just see all those people who would have invested their SS money in Enron, or worldcom. Funny the same people who are pushing this wanted to cut the budget for the SEC. Phillyfan, yea SS was never meant to be the sole income, but it was to be a safe bet.

BTW Tort reform is only a part of the issue.

anyone who invested all their savings in world comm or enron was a complete and utter idiot in the first place. They deserved to lose their money for being supid and not following the rules of investing.

Yea, they listened to their stockbrokers, who are greedy republicans how care only about themselfs....but at least they didn't sign DOMA

What are you talking about? the problem is alot of people who lost tons of money did not consult a good broker. Or did it themselves... or took what they got from the company as their sole retirement funding. Any good broker would NOT want someone to invest all their funds in one stock... or one money market...

Try again please.... The problem is folks who have no knoledge of investing.. or know what a good company is and what a bad company is.

You may not agree with my political beliefs.. but this is one area you are NOT going to win. If people paid any attention at all,,,, they knew world comm was going down a year in advance. Hell, the whole telecom industry was in the tank.

[ June 10, 2003, 01:26 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

and besides, with Shrubs nice juicy budget defecits, whats' another trillion dollars?????????

Yes it was and the stocks were being pushed, period.And yes a good broker would not steer anyone to invest in one stock, or industry. But the point is if you start a system to promote people investing then you need to have a SEC with the resources need. You need to have brokers and brokerage firm accountable. Enron, Bush support, Worldcom Bush supporter, Had people had the option to invest their ss funds those companies may have shell gamed their way out of the mess,,,
I do think there is a connection
Regarding your political views, your right I do disagree with yours, I can not make sense of them or you blind support of Bush. But I do know that some Jews voted for Hitler, because of the shape of the economy....

What are you talking about? People who WORKED FOR ENRON like some of these other bankrupt fraud-ridden corporations were required to invest a portion of their retirement IN the company and could NOT withdraw that money easily. Do you not remember that Democratic outrage at this caused the GOP Congress and Dumbya to push for bills to change the rules so that people COULD get out of the ironclad agreementst companies set up? SEcondly Kenny Boy Lay and friends had insider info and were able to sell massive amounts of shares while the mass of shareholders DID not have advance notice the company was going to tank.

Throwing money does not fix the system. Never has never will. You need to have smart people working for you... Call up your local taxing agency and get back to me on how "smart" they really are. If the SEC or the IRS ever worked with common sense... we'd have no problems. The federal govt doesnt like people with common sense.

This is not all of them, but alot of them.

Umm throwing money? Lets see first the stumbling child kings admin cuts the budget for the SCE, then enron, worldcom, anderson all happen and the budget is increased....Are you saing that bushy is throwing money away? or is this another example of letting events dictate your actions, kinda like Ashcroft cutting the counter terrorism budget before 9/11?

YES, they are throwing money away! If the Govt ever paid MORE towards salary, they might get a better group of people working for them... Then spent a little less money towards middle mgmt. See, in govt it's not how well you do things, it's how well you spend your entire budget. No one is rewarded for saving money.

Andersen/Enron are the same thing! Worldcomm, eh they pushed the limit on what was already going on in the telecom industry with their accounting. However, when the company goes down due to a bad business plan... investors look for someone to blame. Worldcomm was crashing for quite a long time... it was no surprise when they went down.

Thanks, Ms. Gephardt!!