well, I think it's GREAT that he is speaking at the RNC! I've always thought he was CRAZY - know he is proving it on NATIONAL TV! I'm waiting for his head to spin around and vomit green pea soup!
WOW - HE's A MESS!!!
This is CLASSIC!
Full Version: Zell Miller...
SOMEONE grab a straight jacket....he's CRAZY!!!
This is having the "Howard Dean" SCREAM effect on TV!!!
This is having the "Howard Dean" SCREAM effect on TV!!!
f**kin' scary. I would not be surprised to see that his speech frightened as many swing voters away as might have become more likely to vote Bush. So his speech will at least accomplish getting swing voters to make up their goddamned minds.
Missed the speech due to work and all. What did ol ZigZag have to say?
Kerry is evil, Bush is God. 
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HornFan:
Kerry is evil, Bush is God.
Well who didn't know that already. It's about time a lunatic redneck set the record straight.
Kerry is evil, Bush is God.
We all have to remember that the repugs have Jesus Himself scheduled to deliver the closing benediction for the convention.
For anyone that has not had the pleasure of attending a "fire and brimstone" sermon, in which God is a God of wrath, anger, vengence and retribution (as opposed to a God of Love), then the speech last night came darn close to that feeling.
You are all going to Hell, by the way. wink
You are all going to Hell, by the way. wink
I thought Mr. Haney's head was going to explode during his speech but the real meltdown came in post speech interviews.
Total nut case.
Total nut case.
From AU Tiger in LA:
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For anyone that has not had the pleasure of attending a \"fire and brimstone\" sermon, in which God is a God of wrath, anger, vengence and retribution (as opposed to a God of Love), then the speech last night came darn close to that feeling
You are so right. I thought I was back in my Assembly of God church in Madrid, Alabama listening to my uncle spread the anger of God. Then, after the service, he would go "visiting" a lady of the church on Sunday afternoons where he would preach the word of God's lust..er...love to her, while leaving my aunt at home. Hmmm...I guess they haven't changed after all, have they?
Andrew Sullivan wrote a searing response to Zell Miller's speech over at his blog--well worth reading. I only caught excerpts of Miller's speech and I haven't seen such anger and rage at a speech since the heyday of Pat Buchanan in 1992. Sullivan points out that Miller was a segregationist in the 60's and accused LBJ of selling out to African Americans when he signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. Which begs me to ask: What took Miller so long to leave the Democratic Party? At least Strom Thurmond left the Democrats when he saw the ideological tide turning. What's Miller's excuse for staying so long in a party he obviously despised and felt out of place? Stupidity? Stubborness? Ideological masochism? I'm sure Democrats are glad to be well rid of him.
His post-speech blowup at Chris Matthews was perfect. What a nutcase wacko! The truly sad thing is that this man ONCE UPON A TIME was fairly progressive. That was before the dementia set in.
What happened on Chris Matthews? I don't watch pundit shows, but this sounds good.
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Aubie in Bham
I thought I was back in my Assembly of God church in Madrid, Alabama[/QB]
OMG...I know where that is. eek! I thought I was back in my Assembly of God church in Madrid, Alabama[/QB]
Bless you on your deliverance Aubie.
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fantomas:
His post-speech blowup at Chris Matthews was perfect. What a nutcase wacko! The truly sad thing is that this man ONCE UPON A TIME was fairly progressive. That was before the dementia set in.
He was interviewed on CNN following his speech, Jeff Greenfield mentioned that several of the programs Kerry voted against are the same ones that Cheney tried to totally eliminate when he was Sec of Defense. Poor Mr Haney was literally speechless for a few moments, he said something about how Cheney would have to speak for himself...blah blah blah. The poor guy has lost it, big time.
His post-speech blowup at Chris Matthews was perfect. What a nutcase wacko! The truly sad thing is that this man ONCE UPON A TIME was fairly progressive. That was before the dementia set in.
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charcas67:
What happened on Chris Matthews? I don't watch pundit shows, but this sounds good.
Meltdown.What happened on Chris Matthews? I don't watch pundit shows, but this sounds good.
Check it out.... Hooterville vs Matthews
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charcas67:
What happened on Chris Matthews? I don't watch pundit shows, but this sounds good.
With Matthews it was the same as Greenfield, CM tried to ask him whether it would be dishonorable for a Repug SENATOR to speak at the Democratic convention, and he sort of demurred, then said this had happened, so Matthews pressed him and he just freaked out. I had forgotten he worked for Dixiecrat Lester Maddox. Of course this has no bearing on younger people, who don't remember segregation, etc., but still....What happened on Chris Matthews? I don't watch pundit shows, but this sounds good.
Hey, why aren't any people talking about the recent rise in the number of people in poverty, in the ininsured, in the recent rise in jobless claims, W's "miscalculation" and the ongoing debacle in Iraq, the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan, W's own admissions about the "greenhouse" effect...I think I now know why Colin Powell wanted to head to the Olympics rather than joining this zombified "TERRA TERRA 9/11 TERRA" crowd!
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RazorbackTX:
I thought Mr. Haney's head was going to explode during his speech but the real meltdown came in post speech interviews.
Total nut case.
I want to move to Georgia to vote this bastard out of office. I think he has probably lost every democrat's vote in Georgia.
I thought Mr. Haney's head was going to explode during his speech but the real meltdown came in post speech interviews.
Total nut case.
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bobby78751:
I want to move to Georgia to vote this bastard out of office. I think he has probably lost every democrat's vote in Georgia.
He's RETIRING. The Democrat--a black woman--who's vying to replace him has no chance whatsoever of being elected. None, zilch, nada, nichts. The state has become so conservative even a dead Republican could win there.
I want to move to Georgia to vote this bastard out of office. I think he has probably lost every democrat's vote in Georgia.
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charcas67:
Andrew Sullivan wrote a searing response to Zell Miller's speech over at his blog--well worth reading. I only caught excerpts of Miller's speech and I haven't seen such anger and rage at a speech since the heyday of Pat Buchanan in 1992. Sullivan points out that Miller was a segregationist in the 60's and accused LBJ of selling out to African Americans when he signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. Which begs me to ask: What took Miller so long to leave the Democratic Party? At least Strom Thurmond left the Democrats when he saw the ideological tide turning. What's Miller's excuse for staying so long in a party he obviously despised and felt out of place? Stupidity? Stubborness? Ideological masochism? I'm sure Democrats are glad to be well rid of him.
But let's not forget that Miller ALSO at one point supposedly was supportive of better educational opportunities for poor blacks in Georgia, he actually talked about removing the Confederate Flag from Georgia's flag, and even made moderately pro-gay statements. I'm beginning to think, with all his zigzags over the years, that he's simply deranged and no one has ever really accepted this. The crazy old uncle that everyone humors but no one commits. Oh well, this was his hateful swansong.Andrew Sullivan wrote a searing response to Zell Miller's speech over at his blog--well worth reading. I only caught excerpts of Miller's speech and I haven't seen such anger and rage at a speech since the heyday of Pat Buchanan in 1992. Sullivan points out that Miller was a segregationist in the 60's and accused LBJ of selling out to African Americans when he signed the Civil Rights and Voting Rights Acts. Which begs me to ask: What took Miller so long to leave the Democratic Party? At least Strom Thurmond left the Democrats when he saw the ideological tide turning. What's Miller's excuse for staying so long in a party he obviously despised and felt out of place? Stupidity? Stubborness? Ideological masochism? I'm sure Democrats are glad to be well rid of him.
BTW, Zell, the "protesters" you so violently denounced last night won us our FREEDOM from 1770 on! Including in your home state of "JOR-JA".
I would encourage BushCoInc to send Zig Zag Zell and Allen Keyes on tour together to campaign for the chimp-in-chief.
Miami Herald has an excellent article about Miller as the ultimate flip flopper. I'll try to find a link.
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RazorbackTX:
I would encourage BushCoInc to send Zig Zag Zell and Allen Keyes on tour together to campaign for the chimp-in-chief.
It'd be like a perverse version of the odd couple set to 'Ebony and Ivory.' Sort of like Ali G with more gay jokes.I would encourage BushCoInc to send Zig Zag Zell and Allen Keyes on tour together to campaign for the chimp-in-chief.
As for Zell's love for the Democratic Party, what people fail to read into his "I was born a Democrat and I'll die a Democrat" claim is that he was born into the same Democratic Party that ol Strom, Robert Byrd, and Lester Maddox were born into: The party of the Klan (Democrats were so bad at one time, they inducted a sitting President into the Klan). Giving a bigoted republican a boost is the best way he can think of to feel like he's back in the old party again. That and to protect America from terrorists, I guess.
Brooking's boy, that called a Dixiecrat! I've been calling him and other GA democrats that for some time now. The party never did die in GA, it just subsided for a while, but now that they feel it is fine with the President, they have emerged with the blessings of the christian/nazi coalition.
True. Of course, thanks to the last election, Georgia is now a straight up, across the board Republican state (with the minor exception of ATL city govt). Dixiecrats are now Dixiepugs. Kinda makes me sick in the same way Sonny Perdue's wife must feel when he rolls on top of her at night (Brain dead Gorbechev look-alike that he is).
I think Zell needs a hug. He's just misunderstood. 
Zell's working within the Democratic party to make it the republican party.
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Brooking's boy
... Democrats were so bad at one time, they inducted a sitting President into the Klan.
Warren Harding? He was a Republican. I quickly found this article telling how the Klan inducted a sitting president into the Klan.... Democrats were so bad at one time, they inducted a sitting President into the Klan.
Ku Klux Klan Museum
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President Warren Harding - Klansman
As the Republican victor in the 1920's presidential campaign, Harding may have benefited from Klan demonstrations on election eve warning blacks in various parts of the South not to vote. Shortly after his inauguration, Harding was initiated as a Klansman in the Green room of the White House, with William Simmons leading the 5 man imperial induction team. The nervous Klansmen forgot their bible, required for the final oath and Harding sent for the White House Bible to complete the ceremony. Afterward, Simmons and company received special War Department license tags, thereby securing immunity for them against traffic citations. On August 2, 1923, while returning from a tour of Alaska, Harding fell ill and died in San Francisco, not long before scandals rocked his corrupt administration. Rumors of his Klan membership leked out as early as 1924, and Imperial Klokard Alton young, a member of the induction team, described the ceremony for journalist Stetson Kennedy on his deathbed in the late 1940's. Imperial Wizard James Venable (now deceased) claims to have possessed photographs of a Klan funeral ceremony conducted for Harding in Marion, OH August 1923.
I really don't know where in the Klan hierarchy a Klokard ranks. There seems to be such a thing as a Grand Klokard as well.As the Republican victor in the 1920's presidential campaign, Harding may have benefited from Klan demonstrations on election eve warning blacks in various parts of the South not to vote. Shortly after his inauguration, Harding was initiated as a Klansman in the Green room of the White House, with William Simmons leading the 5 man imperial induction team. The nervous Klansmen forgot their bible, required for the final oath and Harding sent for the White House Bible to complete the ceremony. Afterward, Simmons and company received special War Department license tags, thereby securing immunity for them against traffic citations. On August 2, 1923, while returning from a tour of Alaska, Harding fell ill and died in San Francisco, not long before scandals rocked his corrupt administration. Rumors of his Klan membership leked out as early as 1924, and Imperial Klokard Alton young, a member of the induction team, described the ceremony for journalist Stetson Kennedy on his deathbed in the late 1940's. Imperial Wizard James Venable (now deceased) claims to have possessed photographs of a Klan funeral ceremony conducted for Harding in Marion, OH August 1923.
Harry Truman seems to have entertained the notion of joining the Klan at one time in his life.
Truman Skeletons
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The Ku Klux Klan rumor, meanwhile, dogged Truman for years. It surfaced in 1944, after Truman accepted the vice presidential nomination.
During the 1920s, the Klan had been an active force in Missouri state politics. Most Truman biographers agree that Truman met with Klan leaders while running for eastern Jackson County judge, and even went so far as to forward a $10 membership fee.
He quickly changed his mind, however, after learning that one condition of Klan support was that Truman could not hire any Catholics in county government.
Truman's political sponsors, the Pendergasts, were Catholics. So were about 90 percent of the men who had served in the artillery battery Truman had commanded in World War I.
Truman asked for his $10 back.
During the 1920s, the Klan had been an active force in Missouri state politics. Most Truman biographers agree that Truman met with Klan leaders while running for eastern Jackson County judge, and even went so far as to forward a $10 membership fee.
He quickly changed his mind, however, after learning that one condition of Klan support was that Truman could not hire any Catholics in county government.
Truman's political sponsors, the Pendergasts, were Catholics. So were about 90 percent of the men who had served in the artillery battery Truman had commanded in World War I.
Truman asked for his $10 back.
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fantomas
Hey, why aren't any people talking about the recent rise in the number of people in poverty, in the ininsured, in the recent rise in jobless claims, W's \"miscalculation\" and the ongoing debacle in Iraq, the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan, W's own admissions about the \"greenhouse\" effect....
Hey, Bush by The NumbersHey, why aren't any people talking about the recent rise in the number of people in poverty, in the ininsured, in the recent rise in jobless claims, W's \"miscalculation\" and the ongoing debacle in Iraq, the return of the Taliban in Afghanistan, W's own admissions about the \"greenhouse\" effect....
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69 Percentage of Americans who believed the White House's claims in September 2003 that Saddam Hussein was personally involved in the 11 September attacks.
34 Percentage of Americans who believed in June 2003 that Saddam's \"weapons of mass destruction\" had been found.
22 Percentage of Americans who believed in May 2003 that Saddam had used his WMDs on US forces.
And on and on.
34 Percentage of Americans who believed in June 2003 that Saddam's \"weapons of mass destruction\" had been found.
22 Percentage of Americans who believed in May 2003 that Saddam had used his WMDs on US forces.
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Most Truman biographers agree that Truman met with Klan leaders while running for eastern Jackson County judge, and even went so far as to forward a $10 membership fee.
He quickly changed his mind, however, after learning that one condition of Klan support was that Truman could not hire any Catholics in county government.
Truman's political sponsors, the Pendergasts, were Catholics. So were about 90 percent of the men who had served in the artillery battery Truman had commanded in World War I.
Truman asked for his $10 back.
I can see how that "condition" might make him reconsider.He quickly changed his mind, however, after learning that one condition of Klan support was that Truman could not hire any Catholics in county government.
Truman's political sponsors, the Pendergasts, were Catholics. So were about 90 percent of the men who had served in the artillery battery Truman had commanded in World War I.
Truman asked for his $10 back.
Speaking of Truman, when people say we "can't change commanders-in-chief during a war" they forget that the Korean War (excuse me, "conflict") started under Truman and ended under Eisenhower. I know, Truman didn't run in '52, but like LBJ in '68, he was hardly assured of victory if he had. Point is, we have changed presidents in wartime, especially during unpopular wars.
People also forget that, although FDR won four terms (with help from Dixiecrats holding a grudge against the party of Sherman and the Reconstruction), even during the generally popular war against the Axis, he was out-and-out hated and called "that man in the White House" by opponents of the New Deal.
So beware of glib generalizations about what "can't" be done.
As for Zell Miller, his convention appearance must have been his 15 minutes of fame. I can't think of anything he's done previously that would count.
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