PhillyFan
Apr 2 2004, 10:30 AM
http://news.myway.com/top/article/id/63342...05|reuters.htmlGuess in a few months Kerry wont have anything to complain about, well except raising taxes.
bobby78751
Apr 2 2004, 10:32 AM
No, we'll still have Iraq, the Bush lies, 9/11, high fuel prices, the remaining deficit job growth...do I need to go on?
PhillyFan
Apr 2 2004, 10:39 AM
Whats a remaining deficit job growth?
Iraq? Majority of americans approve, you folks are in the minority.
9/11? Huh? Lies? Huh?
Boobster, incase you didnt know this, W destroy Kerry in foreign policy issues and protecting america.
The only Leg Kerry has is the economy, this is a known fact.
bobby78751
Apr 2 2004, 10:49 AM
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PhillyFan:
Whats a remaining deficit job growth?
Iraq? Majority of americans approve, you folks are in the minority.
9/11? Huh? Lies? Huh?
Boobster, incase you didnt know this, W destroy Kerry in foreign policy issues and protecting america.
The only Leg Kerry has is the economy, this is a known fact.
Little Filly, you are even more clueless than I thought. Deficite job growth is when he leaves office (which he will on Jan. 20, 2005) with less people working than when he was sworn in.
How has W protected America? Are we any safer today than we were three years ago? Is it possible for someone to walk onto a subway in NYC and blow up the place? We ARE NOT any safer today and he has done little to protect this country from determined terrorists, so, quit saying he has made this country a safer place.
PhillyFan
Apr 2 2004, 10:58 AM
What rock do you live under?
The last poll i saw said that asked who would do a better job protecting america and fighting terrorisme.. like 60% say bush 30% say Kerry.
Clark has not effected W negatively in this area either by the majority of Americans.
The reports released today say that Manuf is at a 16 year high. 759k jobs have been gained in the last 7 months. The basic american voter is going to look and see improvement in the economy and job growth, that is what you have.
Right now, the economy has been quite strong, and jobs are just now turning around by looking at the numbers.
What you dont realize is the with the dot.com disaster and 9/11, W gets lee-way from most voters because of the circumstances.
You need to face some facts.. Kerry only has the economy to run on. That is his only chance. For him to criticize Iraq, mistake. 9/11 mistake, terrorism mistake.
hockeyTom
Apr 2 2004, 11:02 AM
Philly don't forget the 45 million uninsured Americans, plus the 35 million Americans living in poverty, oh and yes the defecit that's a bottomless pit. Such a wonderful record to run from. Where is this recovery so called occuring? in D.C.??? It sure as hell isn't happening out here!
CPT_Doom
Apr 2 2004, 11:03 AM
Well great Philly - so you're all excited Bush will win, and pass more tax cuts for him and his drunk daughters to benefit from, bankrupting the country. Maybe we can invade some other countries that Georgie Porgie doesn't like and make sure to create mulitple generations of future terrorists.
But most importantly, we can look forward to 4 more years of "Christian" compassion and anti-gay bullsh*t from Georgie and his friends.
Wonderful - he's a lying, manipulative piece of crap and he doesn't deserve the job of dog catcher in East bumf*ck Texas, never mind the presidency. No poll numbers, no pitiful jobs increase (what is he 15% toward what the economy has lost under his mismanagement?) will change the fact that this man is incompetant. He does, however, pander to the lowest common denominator, and no one has ever failed by underestimating the intelligence, or overestimating the crassness, of the American people.
hockeyTom
Apr 2 2004, 11:06 AM
Just saw a news report last night that said, any money recived from the Shrub defecits adder, I mean tax cuts, they will be totally wiped out and spent on much higher gas prices.
bobby78751
Apr 2 2004, 11:14 AM
BTW, when is it that those fast food jobs are supposed to be redesignated as manufacturing jobs? "Hello, welcome to McDonald's, I'm Joe, your sandwich builder! What can I build for you today?"
PhillyFan
Apr 2 2004, 11:27 AM
GOOD GOD! All of ya'alls blind hatred is flowing right now.
You could at least try to be objective. Like it or not, kerry's only chance is a bad economy.
Kerry will get destroyed when he runs on taking tax cuts away, i dont care who it's for. We all know this. All you need to do is what the dems do with the old people, scare them with medicare.
I dont care that you guys hate W, but try to be objective.
bobby78751
Apr 2 2004, 11:44 AM
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PhillyFan:
You could at least try to be objective. Like it or not, kerry's only chance is a bad economy...I dont care that you guys hate W, but try to be objective.
John Kerry can't run on Bush's environmental record? Surely you are kidding.
Kerry can't run on Bush's civil rights record? Surely you are kidding.
Kerry can't run on Bush's ethics record? Surely you are kidding.
Wow, you really are a fibber. You are objective only when it comes to looking at things from a W-rose-colored glasses point of view. I am an aditted non-objective person when it comes to anything this criminal White House puts forth.
BTW, I want to be the one who gives that snooty-sonofabitch Scott McClellan a good swift kick in his fat-assed pants when it's time for him to go!
thersis
Apr 2 2004, 11:54 AM
the new jobs? that's the good news, and half the story.
what about the unemployment rate ticking up? that's the bad news and the other half of the story.
as for who can make the most political hay from this, it's tough to say, but using pf's reasonable standard of what it means to joe sixpack (that would be schlitz, not abs), i'd guess the unemployment rate is something that resonates a little more strongly, even though the jobs number is more statistically stable.
bobby78751
Apr 2 2004, 12:52 PM
As much as Little Filly says we liberals hope for a huge job loss total in coming months or more American soldiers to die, the dark side of me thinks that Little Filly and others secretly hope for another terra attack so Bushie can hop up and try to look presidential again during another time of crisis.
RazorbackTX
Apr 2 2004, 01:05 PM
Whats ironic is that PF seems to be so happy about these job numbers which will purportedly help His Chimperial Majesty. Why so happy PF, you've already said you're not supporting Bush, its painfully obvious that you're too embarressed to say who you do support.
Now if 2 million new jobs are created between now and Nov, Bush will have broken even, what a record!
Hate to rain on your parade PhillyFan, actually thats not true, I love to:
No one believes Clarke?
hockeyTom
Apr 2 2004, 01:54 PM
1.8 millions jobs still lost on Shrub's watch. That's being objectionable phillyfan.
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J1780
Apr 2 2004, 04:30 PM
Let the jobs numbers stand. The economy does what it wants regardless of who's President. Let the choice be "What kind of country do we want to be?" Does America want to be the thoughtful, smart, caring kid who gets along with all the others on the baseball field, or the dominating, academically challenged bully that demands his way and uses his strength to get what he wants? I would like to think that I was the former, and I turned out ok. As kids, bullies are fearsome. As adults, they are ass****s.
That being said, my choice in November is clear.
PhillyFan
Apr 2 2004, 04:46 PM
John McCain?
timber07
Apr 2 2004, 06:42 PM
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thersis:
what about the unemployment rate ticking up? that's the bad news and the other half of the story.
There were people that were not even looking for work before. They did not count in the unemployment numbers. But now that jobs are being created, these people are looking for work and are now "unemployed" until they land a job. That's why the unemployment rate went up.
It's kind of fun watching you all tally how many jobs were lost during the Bush administration. What will you do if that number goes to "zero". Or better yet if there is a net job GAIN before the election. Bush is one smart chimp.
[ April 02, 2004, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: timber07 ]
hockeyTom
Apr 2 2004, 06:54 PM
Timber said
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Bush is one smart chimp
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. Well thats debatable. What he is clearly not is good with numbers and figures. Remember the 2.6 million jobs that will be created this year?, or how about the total cost he said for the Medicare "reform" bill of $400 billion, that turned out to be closer to $600 billion. If this is what you call smart, God help us.
DallasUNC
Apr 3 2004, 07:38 PM
Actual government job numbers that arent politically skewed- BLS.GOV QUOTE
Nonfarm payroll employment increased by 308,000 in March, and the
unemployment rate was about unchanged at 5.7 percent, the Bureau of Labor
Statistics of the U.S. Department of Labor reported today. Payroll job growth
was fairly widespread, as construction employment rose sharply and several
major service-providing industries also added jobs.
The unemployment rate, 5.7 percent, and the number of unemployed persons,
8.4 million, were essentially unchanged in March.
Total employment in March held at 138.3 million.
In March, the number of persons who worked part time for economic reasons
increased to 4.7 million, about the same level as in January. These indivi-
duals indicated that they would like to work full time but were working part
time because their hours had been cut back or because they were unable to
find full-time jobs.
Total nonfarm payroll employment rose by 308,000 in March to 130.5 million,
seasonally adjusted. The over-the-month increase in employment included gains
in construction, retail trade, and health care and social assistance. The
number of factory jobs was unchanged in March. Since August 2003, payroll
employment has risen by 759,000.
Those are the major points of the whole report. Notice, when politicians grab hold of those numbers, they make it sound like a great thing. Where in fact, as suspected, jobs "created" were in low wage earning positions, if created at all.
It also points out the number of people employed has essentially remained unchanged. So just because the payroll numbers increased, that does not equal new jobs for all. Payroll increase can be attributed to independent contractors gaining full time employee status.
People are continuing to lose their jobs and its no joke. CSX railways, who we deal with at work, cut 20% of their workforce in what has now come to a 3rd wave of layoffs in "corporate restructuring". Now thats a rather large cut for a business that is essentially a monopoly! That's just one example of, I am sure, many.
[ April 03, 2004, 06:39 PM: Message edited by: DallasUNC ]
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