It's official!This Democrat has filed to run for president.

[ April 13, 2006, 08:45 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]

I actually had to check to make sure this wasn't an April Fool's joke twelve days too late.

More on this US Army veteran, real estate developer and author of Jobs and More Jobs: US Congressional Guide: Maurice Robert \"Mike\" Gravel

[ April 13, 2006, 09:05 AM: Message edited by: fantomas ]

Maybe the 2008 presidential election will look like the current American Idol. Pop culture can speak volumes.

Right now we could be looking at a contest between Clinton (McPhee), Edwards (Yamin) and McCain (Hicks). Let's stretch a metaphor:

If Hicks goes this coming week Repubs wouldn't have a chance. If McPhee wins it all we are in for more of the same. Yamin would make a change.

I noticed that John Edwards came out the winner in some Iowa straw poll over the weekend. I believe his number was at about 30%, even beating Hillary. He has been spending alot of time there over the past many months. Interesting, even though its very early yet.

Why do I get the feeling that we're going to end up with two nominees who are among the biggest doofusses, the biggest losers, around?

I don't really see anyone who generates a "Wow!" from America. Somehow, this doesn't surprise me.

I'm not sure about "doofuses," but I don't know if the republic we live in could take even 4 more years of a similarly constituted Congress, with a Bush substitute on the order of George Allen (or his brother Jebbie) in office. I'll take "doofuses" like Warner, Schweitzer, Bayh, Edwards, Clark, or even Hagel, over Allen.

Agreed fan. There is something I definitely do not like about Allen. He usually has this kind of snide smile about him most of the time. If its anything I do not like, its a politician who smiles most of the time when questions are being asked of him.

I for one do NOT want Jeb Bush to run. If I had to choose between him and his bother G.W., I'd take Jeb, but after Bush I and now Bush II, I personally don't want some royal family of politicians, the Bushes, running for the top job anymore. I'd be willing to bet many Americans feel the same way.

Enough is enough already.

Neither do the majority of a number of people who responded to a poll I saw the other day. Jeb Bush was # 1 on the list of people who they would definitely not vote for, for the Repugs.

From the indefatigable Ms. Noonan this morning:
"On the Democratic side, it is not just as bad but worse. They don't only think they're more sophisticated than their base, more informed and aware of the complexities. I believe they think their base is mad.
You can see their problem in their inability to get a slogan. Which, believe me, is how they think of it: a slogan. "Together for a Better Future." "A Future With Better Togetherness." Today for a better tomorrow, tomorrow for a better today.

A party has a hard time saying what it stands for only when it doesn't know what it stands for. It has trouble getting a compelling slogan only when it has no idea what compels its base. Or when it fears what compels it."

Toodles

So then the question begs to be asked...whom to vote for in the next presidential election. We have MIB saying he wouldn't consider another Bush, while I think I will hurl if the Dems decide on another Kerry or Dean. There is no direction by either party at this time, which really has me worried. I've never seen this nation so divided in my life, and yes, I am old enough to remember Watergate and the Nixon administration. Whomever is elected, they certainly have their work cut out for them. It is going to be a huge task to reunite this nation, let alone all the other problems we face.

Oh, thank you, MIB! Even you must see the fallacy of having the dumber of the Bush brothers in the Oval Office. Yes, as bad as Dubya is, we could have so much worse in Jebby. Dear God help us all if he's anywhere near taking the presidency. I live in fear of that day!

I'm posting this story here because it seems the most relevant of the current open threads. While I agree with much of what Obama says on religion, I wonder what his other suporters will think/pray/spin - and where it will lead? How now, Obama?

Democrat, Republican - all of them are out for themselves, sorry to shit on anyones parade - but the only thing congress can agree on is their pay raise at the beginning of their session. $$$$ is what controls this country, not idealism, that is for sure..

/ not sure what needs to be done for change, but corruption seems to be the ruling factor at the moment..

politicians suck

[ June 29, 2006, 07:04 PM: Message edited by: swmmr76 ]

Hillary will sweep this election like a tidal wave. Its inevitable.

Copper, Police sweeps, yes; Hillary sweeps, only in a few primaries, if that. Her feet of clay will start to crumble pretty early on and we'll see another example of media hype getting it all wrong, to the extent they get it at all. The majority of voting Americans is not ready for a woman president, especially this one. She might pull a Ferraro and make it onto the Demoticket as Veep, but who'll be their presidential nominee?

So, why aren't you ready for an American woman President? Curious as to your thoughts. :confused:

:confused: Me too...

And this is different from any other election in the last 45 years???

R

I agree with you 100%!!

It's not an issue for me, just for the "majority of voting Americans." While I do not include myself in this group on this, and many other issues, I don't have to be one of "the other" to know what the other thinks. Thus, I think Linda Chavez would make a great President, and could probably agree on a few more ladies' names if offered up, but Hillary, no. Nor Condi, too ... yet.

Still curious gmg as to why specifically you and/or "most Americans" do not think the country is ready for a female President.....?

IMO, one of the most important factors in a voter's decision is "is this person a strong leader?" That got Bush into the White House for sure in 2004. And I think a lot of people still don't see women as having the ability to not only be a strong leader at home, but probably have reservation about them dealing with other world leadership.

I have no problem with a woman president, I just worry about our foreign relations. Then again, these days, we don't really have much of that.

I don't think not rooting on Hillary for President has anything to do with her being a woman. If anything, she's the toughest woman out there and has a good record of being tough on security.

It's called her last name is Clinton.

I think the SAD thing is that there are so few women politicians that you can name.....that's what is pathetic. The little representation that women and minorities have in Congress is astounding to me, particularly women since they are half the population of this country.

Did anyone else read a story by some guy with McClatchey News, Steven Thomma about Gores' "Eco-Campaign" possible run/non run? Very interesting. Again, even though Gore has said he has no plans on running, he has not ruled it out either, and right now he is all over the media, and seems to be gaining alot of interest...

It might not be such a bad name to have in 2008.

If gas prices keep going up, if low-income taxes start going up, if the number of the Christian soldiers (there are no athiests in foxholes) in bodybags keep going up, the poorer Republicans who are there for the morals, (and not for the food) might just decide that under Clinton, life wasn't quite so bad.

Been reading with interest about John Edwards, and how he is really starting to make inroads in Iowa polls. He seems to be focusing alot, but not exclusively on, the poverty problem in America, and to alot of people his tone and style is somehwat reminiscant of John. F. Kennedy, and as I mentioned its seems to be paying off, as he keeps revisiting Iowa and is gaining in popularity. I know we are a long way off yet, but it seems clear that he is more than likely going to make a run in '08. He is one I am going to be looking at and listening to.

Edwards is appealing on many levels. I almost feel that had he topped the ticket in 2004, it might have been even more of a 2000-style election, with him getting more popular votes than the Decider, though I think the GOP would have yet again found a way to put the Decider back in office. Edwards presents a compelling progressive narrative, which many Democrats don't, and he hasn't been playing cynical footsy-type games like Hillary Clinton, who one minute urges Ohio voters to "watch" the upcoming elections "like a hawk," yet the next minute is cozying up to the likes of Rupert Murdoch, whose media empire does all it can to maintain the right-wing status quo, including paying its employees to whip up brouhaha about her. After six years of this all-Republican government, I am going to vote for whatever Democrat, living or dead, runs in 2008, no matter whether I strongly agree with her or him or not, but were it to be Edwards, I would do so much more swiftly and easily than were it someone running a Republite game.

I am going to vote for whatever Democrat living or dead decides to run in '08.
Thank you for the morning chuckle, Fan. Oh, and I hear ya bud!!!!

[ July 12, 2006, 06:03 AM: Message edited by: hockeyTom ]

Whether the Dem. nominee is Edwards or Clinton, I'd like to see Wesley Clark on the ticket too. It would be harder for the GOP to say the Dems are "soft" when you put a very intelligent, non-politician, 4-star general on the ballot.

I also have a high opinion of Clark, but don't think for a minute that the elements within the GOP won't find a way to swiftboat him. I mean, he did serve as a commander under Bill Clinton! LOL

BTW, does anyone else think Jim Webb can beat George Allen in Virginia? That would be a dramatic upset, but Webb is a decorated veteran and former Republican who simply had had it with the incompetence of the W Unltd. gang. And he's smart! If anyone knows when an Allen-Webb debate is going to be televised, please let other Outsports folks know!

And that explains everything.

Fan, from the banter I hear and Chris Matthews talks alot about this contest, is that Webb is a serious contender to Allen. Serious. And it bears watching this race..if I hear anything about a debate, I will let you know bud.

Most recent poll:

Allen 56%
Webb 37%

Survey USA Poll: Virginia Senate

Fantomas,

I used your quote, "I am going to vote for whatever Democrat, living or dead, runs in 2008." in my "Quote of the Day".

Thanks!

TRL

You're welcome!

Carnahan-Wellstone 2008!!!

About the National GOP, yes it does.