Just wondering if any other Outsporters will be going to the Log Cabin convention later this month in Palm Springs.
If so, let me know, it would be fun to meet up.
Full Version: Log Cabin Convention, Anyone?
The theme is "Sun, Fun, Freedom, & Fairness". Well, I guess 1 or 2 out of 4 ain't so bad. 
Traitors! I guess being all the way out there in the desert, your fellow republicans from the religious conservative wing won't be able to find you...they prefer it that way, anyhow.
[ April 05, 2004, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
Traitors! I guess being all the way out there in the desert, your fellow republicans from the religious conservative wing won't be able to find you...they prefer it that way, anyhow.[ April 05, 2004, 01:56 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
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HulaBoy:
Just wondering if any other Outsporters will be going to the Log Cabin convention later this month in Palm Springs.
If so, let me know, it would be fun to meet up.
If you meet up with them you will have to have your memory erased so you don't remember who they are. Can't be OUTING any of them...lol Just wondering if any other Outsporters will be going to the Log Cabin convention later this month in Palm Springs.
If so, let me know, it would be fun to meet up.
I just did a search on gwb's website thinking there would be a link to Log Cabin Republicans. NOPE! Then, I did a word search for the word "gay" on his site, out of hundreds of pages, the only results that came back were for people with the name Gay. Then, I did a word search for homosexual. Nothing. See guys, in the Bush administration's eyes, YOU DON'T EXIST! What is it going to take for you to realize that? A Constitutional amendment...oops, sorry...that's already in the works.
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HulaBoy:
Just wondering if any other Outsporters will be going to the Log Cabin convention later this month in Palm Springs.
If so, let me know, it would be fun to meet up.
Dude, with all due respect, you're really wasting your time with this one. You're just going to get pestered, insulted, etc. From one Republican to another, don't bother. Have fun in Palm Springs, though.
Just wondering if any other Outsporters will be going to the Log Cabin convention later this month in Palm Springs.
If so, let me know, it would be fun to meet up.
HB, I'm one of the organizers of the Convention and look forward to meeting you there - in one of the few civilzed places left on earth, Switzerland being the other! :cool:
This thread begs the question: If a tree falls in the forest and there is nobody around, does it make a sound? wink
No seriously, I have gained a new respect (actually it's the first respect) for the LCR's since they actually "came out" (well actually it was still a little closeted) with their commercial against the Constitutional amendment. I didn't know they had it in 'em. :cool:
Gosh, I've almost sent them a donation, but I still don't quite trust them enough. Plus, who would want all that junk mail "spinning" around in your mailbox?
No seriously, I have gained a new respect (actually it's the first respect) for the LCR's since they actually "came out" (well actually it was still a little closeted) with their commercial against the Constitutional amendment. I didn't know they had it in 'em. :cool:
Gosh, I've almost sent them a donation, but I still don't quite trust them enough. Plus, who would want all that junk mail "spinning" around in your mailbox?
You know horn...
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
Threadshitter!
At least I make an effort to stay on topic, you're not even in the right forum.
At least I make an effort to stay on topic, you're not even in the right forum.
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PhillyFan:
You know horn...
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
Hypocrite! You accuse others of stealing ideas from your posts and using them in their own posts. Just shut up! Sorry to go off top there.
You know horn...
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
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PhillyFan:
You know horn...
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
No but if a Cowboy is doing 100mph on the interstate and strikes a motorist, he is automatically not guilty. You know horn...
This also leads to the question...
If a Dallas Cowboys picks up a hooker and a bag of Smack, but no one saw him do this... did he really do it?
Anyway on to the topic, lol. Well another smart ass reply I should say. Is the LCR going to hit up the White Party while theyre in Florida?
I was under the impression Palm Springs was of the California variety.
I wonder if anyone in the curent admin. will be a keynote speaker there. Pehaps Mary Cheney will make a brief appearance before she runs back to the campaign for dear ol' dad.
No lie, I just found out that the Mormon church actually has a weekend booked at a local "clothing optional" resort for Mormon "dads".
I can't be sure but I think it's the same weekend as the Log Cabin Repubs.
Nothing like a weekend of "lube and Liza."
I can't be sure but I think it's the same weekend as the Log Cabin Repubs.
Nothing like a weekend of "lube and Liza."
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bobby78751:
The theme is \"Sun, Fun, Freedom, & Fairness\". Well, I guess 1 or 2 out of 4 ain't so bad. Traitors! I guess being all the way out there in the desert, your fellow republicans from the religious conservative wing won't be able to find you...they prefer it that way, anyhow.
I think "Sun, Fun, Doormats & Tax Cuts" would be more approiate. Their web site promises an "exciting schedule of speakers", but doesnt mention who they are.....Cheney, Santorum?The theme is \"Sun, Fun, Freedom, & Fairness\". Well, I guess 1 or 2 out of 4 ain't so bad.
Traitors! I guess being all the way out there in the desert, your fellow republicans from the religious conservative wing won't be able to find you...they prefer it that way, anyhow. Also, you can sign up for their newsletter which is "fun" and "hip", those are the first things I think when I hear Log Cabin.
So boys, grab your starched shirts, bow ties, top-siders and your favorite pair of tortoise shell glasses and held to Palm Springs....it's a "call to arms." Inclusion wins!!!
(If the Philadelphia Eagles make it to the Super Bowl would... oh never mind, not gonna happen.)
[ April 06, 2004, 06:44 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]
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DallasUNC:
Is the LCR going to hit up the White Party...?
Yes, the proverbial White Elephant Party. wink
Is the LCR going to hit up the White Party...?
No, the White Party, I understand, is this coming weekend, but Log Cabin will be in town the following weekend (Apr. 15-18). Maybe some people will make it a week-long trip to take in both events! wink
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HulaBoy:
No, the White Party, I understand, is this coming weekend, but Log Cabin will be in town the following weekend (Apr. 15-18). Maybe some people will make it a week-long trip to take in both events! wink
Make sure and wear you "Bush/Cheney 2004" tank top, Im sure you'll be the hit of the party.
No, the White Party, I understand, is this coming weekend, but Log Cabin will be in town the following weekend (Apr. 15-18). Maybe some people will make it a week-long trip to take in both events! wink
Interesting article in today's NYTimes Magazine about us: Link to NYT article on LCR (Free registration with NYT required to read entire article.)
There have to be Republican message boards out there. I wonder if LCRs are treated better or worse on those.
Most GOPers observe Ronald Regan's 11th Commandment: "Never speak ill of a fellow Republican." Chuck Muth's News & Views is a good one, but some of the wacked out right-wing boards are full of the juvenile junk you'd expect to find there. Funny, they always seem to focus on the details of sex instead of politics. There's a saying in LCR: "Young Republicans are the minor leagues for Log Cabin," and there's a fair amount of evidence to support that claim.
gmg - I got news for ya, Log Cabin is the "minor leagues."
Dont forget to take advantage of your KFC discount while in Palm Springs.
"Inclusion wins"
Dont forget to take advantage of your KFC discount while in Palm Springs.
"Inclusion wins"
From the article:
Gratuitous link that quotes Barry Goldwater:
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... keep the Constitution as it is. Let the states decide and, essentially, leave us alone. Those are good old conservative themes in the tradition of Goldwater and Reagan -- and what could be more Republican than that?
From someone else:Gratuitous link that quotes Barry Goldwater:
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In 1993, Barry Goldwater, the father of the modern conservative movement, testified before the Senate in favor of allowing gays to serve openly in the services. \"You don't have to be straight to shoot straight,\" declared the old soldier, who knew a thing or two about shooting straight.
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If the president and his majority party want to demonstrate real political courage, then lift the last ban keeping patriotic Americans from serving their country. The president could end the injustice with a stroke of a pen. So far he hasn't lifted his pen. He hasn't even lifted his voice against the ban.
And if Bush is worried about a backlash from the brass, he can write the executive order in Arabic. He'll be out of office before it's translated.
Paul Coggins is a principal in the Dallas office of Fish & Richardson, a national intellectual property, complex litigation and corporate law firm. He is a former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Texas. His e-mail address is coggins@fr.com. \"The Cutting Edge\" appears monthly in Texas Lawyer.
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If the president and his majority party want to demonstrate real political courage, then lift the last ban keeping patriotic Americans from serving their country. The president could end the injustice with a stroke of a pen. So far he hasn't lifted his pen. He hasn't even lifted his voice against the ban.
And if Bush is worried about a backlash from the brass, he can write the executive order in Arabic. He'll be out of office before it's translated.
Paul Coggins is a principal in the Dallas office of Fish & Richardson, a national intellectual property, complex litigation and corporate law firm. He is a former U.S. attorney for the Northern District of Texas. His e-mail address is coggins@fr.com. \"The Cutting Edge\" appears monthly in Texas Lawyer.
The LCR's increased attendance this year. They're still just chomping at the bit to support 'ol Gee Dub, or maybe they're just in the denial phase or the "head in the sand" syndrome, I don't know.
That's the ticket...let's wait for the "world to turn over".
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The Palm Springs convention has drawn nearly 400 people, more than three times the usual participation. Veteran activists are urging younger members to let the political process play out before committing.
With the general election seven months away, \"the world can turn over,\" said Frank Ricchiazzi of Laguna Beach, Calif., a founding Log Cabin member.
He, like other members, said the Bush team could still fix the rift by letting the amendment fade into political obscurity and ensuring that the GOP convention doesn't become a culture war – as in 1992.
Log Cabin Hand-Wringing in Palm Springs With the general election seven months away, \"the world can turn over,\" said Frank Ricchiazzi of Laguna Beach, Calif., a founding Log Cabin member.
He, like other members, said the Bush team could still fix the rift by letting the amendment fade into political obscurity and ensuring that the GOP convention doesn't become a culture war – as in 1992.
That's the ticket...let's wait for the "world to turn over".
Big article about how unhappy the 10,000 LCR's are with Bush and it may cost him their vote.
The fact that it's still in the "may" category just defies all reasonable logic. What does it take? John Ashcroft rounding up all us queers and relocating us to concentration camps? :confused:
What does it take? John Ashcroft rounding up all us queers and relocating us to concentration camps? :confused:
What a bunch of cowards these guys are, they are going to wait until "late summer" to decide whether or not to endorse Bush. Good God people, he offically wants to make you second class citizens, what else do you need to know?
Michael Huffington, who funded a big portion of their recent ad said he was "likely to vote for the president."
Way to go LCR, lay down like a bunch of doormats, let your party step all over you then get up and vote for them.
[ April 19, 2004, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]
Michael Huffington, who funded a big portion of their recent ad said he was "likely to vote for the president."
Way to go LCR, lay down like a bunch of doormats, let your party step all over you then get up and vote for them.
[ April 19, 2004, 07:11 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]
HornFan>>
Yup, it would probably take a pogrom.
Yup, it would probably take a pogrom.
I had to look that word up. 
We LCRs had an excellent time in Palm Springs, thank you very much. Unlike HRC and the other Democratic gay partisan organizations, we don't endorse before a nominee is selected, however inevitable his selection may seem. We continue to keep the door open to President Bush because we believe he is a man of tolerance and will ultimately "do the right thing."
We accomplished a lot this weekend, and we enjoyed ourselves doing it. When the time comes for us to decided whether we will endorse him or not, we - and we alone - will make - and be responsible for - that decision.
Look for upcoming coverage of the LCR Convention on PBS. I was pleased to meet Hula Boy and some other OSers and hope you enjoyed yourselves as much as I did! :cool:
We accomplished a lot this weekend, and we enjoyed ourselves doing it. When the time comes for us to decided whether we will endorse him or not, we - and we alone - will make - and be responsible for - that decision.
Look for upcoming coverage of the LCR Convention on PBS. I was pleased to meet Hula Boy and some other OSers and hope you enjoyed yourselves as much as I did! :cool:
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gmginsfo:
We accomplished a lot this weekend...
such as?
We accomplished a lot this weekend...
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
Here's part of what we did: Huffington Springs For Another $100K
And here's what we're doing with some of it: \"In Your Face Politics\" - Log Cabin Style
I'd loved to have posted an article from PlanetOut(of touch), Gay.com(mercial) or one of our other "community news providers," but this is news they don't deem fit to print. Looks like another case of trying to make one size fit all. Look in the mirror, kids; you're growing out of your old clothes!
And here's what we're doing with some of it: \"In Your Face Politics\" - Log Cabin Style
I'd loved to have posted an article from PlanetOut(of touch), Gay.com(mercial) or one of our other "community news providers," but this is news they don't deem fit to print. Looks like another case of trying to make one size fit all. Look in the mirror, kids; you're growing out of your old clothes!
These links don't appear to make sense. They send me back into my Yahoo! mail, and then it won't let me log in.
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These links don't appear to make sense.
...much like the LCR's.
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PhillyFan:
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
Because Kerry is not endorsing marriage, but is endorsing civil unions, he's a worse choice than the guy who wants to outlaw our relationships entirely? I don't get the math. The fact that the Democratic party hasn't done enough in no way excuses the fact that the Republican party has actively worked against every advance in gay rights since Stonewall. So if you want to be an apologist for your party, fine, but don't then complain about the party that's done anything, and the only things to make it into law in this country, that they're not doing enough.
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
Here's a "gay source" that covered the LCR.
More Hand Wringing
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More Hand Wringing
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Log Cabin has already mounted a million dollar ad campaign denouncing the proposed amendment to the US Constitution. The largest single contributor was former California Congressman Michael Huffington who is gay.
\"You have to have principle in life. You have to stand up for what you believe, even if you lose friends,\" Huffington told the group on Saturday. but, later, he said that he’s likely to vote for the president.
\"In my heart, I don’t believe George Bush is anti-gay whatsoever,\" he said.
\"You have to have principle in life. You have to stand up for what you believe, even if you lose friends,\" Huffington told the group on Saturday. but, later, he said that he’s likely to vote for the president.
\"In my heart, I don’t believe George Bush is anti-gay whatsoever,\" he said.
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jqueer:
Folks, Let get this out... Kerry does NOT support your right to get married... Let's just assume they pass the marriage ammendment the only way it gets the votes is if they leave room in there for civil unions...QUOTE
PhillyFan:
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
Because Kerry is not endorsing marriage, but is endorsing civil unions, he's a worse choice than the guy who wants to outlaw our relationships entirely? I don't get the math. The fact that the Democratic party hasn't done enough in no way excuses the fact that the Republican party has actively worked against every advance in gay rights since Stonewall. So if you want to be an apologist for your party, fine, but don't then complain about the party that's done anything, and the only things to make it into law in this country, that they're not doing enough. When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
At the end of the day... Who is really worse?
Kerry does NOT support your right to marry.. Neither of them are worth your vote on that issue. You guys just give a free pass to the one who'll kiss your ass a little bit.
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PhillyFan
Folks, Let get this out... Kerry does NOT support your right to get married... Let's just assume they pass the marriage ammendment the only way it gets the votes is if they leave room in there for civil unions...
At the end of the day... Who is really worse? =[ [/QB]
Um, George Bush. Unless, that is, you think having a civil union is worse than having nothing at all.Folks, Let get this out... Kerry does NOT support your right to get married... Let's just assume they pass the marriage ammendment the only way it gets the votes is if they leave room in there for civil unions...
At the end of the day... Who is really worse? =[ [/QB]
Seriously, Philly and other LCR guys, don't play this game. There are a bunch of reasons to vote for George Bush that don't involve making a fool of yourself by trying to tell us that Bush and Kerry have similar positions on gay rights. Use national security, taxes, whatever you want; anything but that. We all know better.
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PhillyFan:
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
Where does your candidate stand on gay marriage?
When's Kerry endorsing Marriage? Or is he saying, well they can be on the bus, they just have to sit in the back... in the end, which is worse?
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gmginsfo:
Here's part of what we did: Huffington Springs For Another $100K
And here's what we're doing with some of it: \\"In Your Face Politics\\" - Log Cabin Style
I'd loved to have posted an article from PlanetOut(of touch), Gay.com(mercial) or one of our other \"community news providers,\" but this is news they don't deem fit to print. Looks like another case of trying to make one size fit all. Look in the mirror, kids; you're growing out of your old clothes! :D
Good job on those links there gmg.Here's part of what we did: Huffington Springs For Another $100K
And here's what we're doing with some of it: \\"In Your Face Politics\\" - Log Cabin Style
I'd loved to have posted an article from PlanetOut(of touch), Gay.com(mercial) or one of our other \"community news providers,\" but this is news they don't deem fit to print. Looks like another case of trying to make one size fit all. Look in the mirror, kids; you're growing out of your old clothes! :D
Maybe you could affiliate yourself with PlanetOut and Gay.com and "work within" to get your articles deemed fit to print.
LCR (Lotsa Coward Republicans) are more of a joke now than before their "convention."
At the end of the day... Who is really worse? =[ [/QB]
For me the answer is Bush. Besides the marriage issue - is the issue of Supreme Court nominations. Whoever is elected will most likely have the chance to nominate at least one - if not two or three people to the court. I cannot imagine having a Supreme Court filled with Scalia clones. Bush has already said that he is the model of what he would look for. With the Supreme Court on their side Bush and Co will have no one to stop them from legislating their brand of morality on the country
For me the answer is Bush. Besides the marriage issue - is the issue of Supreme Court nominations. Whoever is elected will most likely have the chance to nominate at least one - if not two or three people to the court. I cannot imagine having a Supreme Court filled with Scalia clones. Bush has already said that he is the model of what he would look for. With the Supreme Court on their side Bush and Co will have no one to stop them from legislating their brand of morality on the country
LCR Convention was an uplifting experience, I am so glad that I decided to go.
Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real "white" party wink
On the issue of whether to endorse Bush, it seems to me the controlling question is not what's best for any of us as individuals, nor what's best for the GLBT community, nor even what's best for the party. It has to be what is best for the country. As someone who happens to believe the country will be better off with four more years of Republican Administration, I hope the Log Cabin Board makes whatever decision will maximize Bush's re-election prospects. Which may be to endorse him, but bearing in mind that LCR's endorsement just might hurt more than it helps, may be not to endorse him.
HulaBoy ducks for cover. :cool:
Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real "white" party wink
On the issue of whether to endorse Bush, it seems to me the controlling question is not what's best for any of us as individuals, nor what's best for the GLBT community, nor even what's best for the party. It has to be what is best for the country. As someone who happens to believe the country will be better off with four more years of Republican Administration, I hope the Log Cabin Board makes whatever decision will maximize Bush's re-election prospects. Which may be to endorse him, but bearing in mind that LCR's endorsement just might hurt more than it helps, may be not to endorse him.
HulaBoy ducks for cover. :cool:
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HulaBoy
Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real \"white\" party wink
Wow, thats hilarious, \"inclusion\" wins, huh?
As someone who happens to believe the country will be better off with four more years of Republican Administration...
So, you think 2+million jobs lost, record spending, record deficits, changing the constitution to make you a second class citizen and thousands of innocent lives lost based on a fairy tale are good things?
Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real \"white\" party wink
Wow, thats hilarious, \"inclusion\" wins, huh?
As someone who happens to believe the country will be better off with four more years of Republican Administration...
So, you think 2+million jobs lost, record spending, record deficits, changing the constitution to make you a second class citizen and thousands of innocent lives lost based on a fairy tale are good things?
[ April 23, 2004, 07:12 AM: Message edited by: RazorbackTX ]
You got it Razorback! Four more years of G.W. Bush and we'll be paying $2.50 for a gallon of gas, fighting a war in North Korea to install "demoracy and freedom", have sent all our manufacturing jobs to China and Mexico, alienated ALL or remaining allies, and have trillion dollar federal deficits. (but at least we'll have a nice tax cut)
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HulaBoy:
Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real \"white\" party wink
Ha ha. So they like to joke about the lack of diversity in LCR. You must have been so proud to be there. Best line came, not surprisingly, from Andrew Sullivan, who lamented missing the White Party a week earlier, but then, after looking around the room at all our faces, observed that this must be the real \"white\" party wink
[ April 23, 2004, 08:03 AM: Message edited by: maxallen ]
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