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bobby78751
Add a leading human rights organization to the rest of the world that hates our freedom. I guess the word for the day on his desk calendar is "absurd".

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President Bush called a human rights report \"absurd\" for criticizing the United States' detention of terrorist suspects at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and said Tuesday the allegations were made by \"people who hate America.\"

\"It's absurd. It's an absurd allegation. The United States is a country that promotes freedom around the world,\" Bush said of the Amnesty International report that compared Guantanamo to a Soviet-era gulag.
NYT Story
Ms. de Blazer
Makes perfect sense, Bobby.
1. George Bush is America.
2. You are either with George Bush or you are with the terrorists.
3. If you criticize George Bush, therefore you
Ms. de Blazer
Got cut off...
you are
a. against America
b. For terrorism
swiminbuff
The rest of the world tends to forget that America can do no wrong.
RazorbackTX
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swiminbuff:
The rest of the world tends to forget that America can do no wrong.
Some of them just havent been "liberated" yet.
Then they'll know. rolleyes.gif
swiminbuff
Believe me we have no weapons of mass destruction up here...unless you mean Tim Horton's coffee.
hockeyTom
Saw a great bumpersticker here today. It said
GWB is America's WMD!! wink
sportinlife
George W. Bush giving a tour of Uzbekistan:

\"Nothing to see here folks, move along, move along...\"
millerbeach
What a crock of crap. It really doesn't surprise me, coming from the likes of Bush. I am just surprised he could accurately pronounce the word "absurd". Thank God he doesn't have to say the word "nuclear" too often.
bobby78751
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millerbeach:
Thank God he doesn't have to say the word \"nuclear\" too often.
There are lots of words he doesn't say. For example, "I admit, I made a mistake..."
Lksimcoe
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swiminbuff:
Believe me we have no weapons of mass destruction up here...unless you mean Tim Horton's coffee.
Or Mr Greek's Tzaziki. Both have the same explosive results
twin58
Uzbekistan:

What Drives Support For This Torturer

Edited to add: this link was posted at Outsports already.

[ June 01, 2005, 07:22 PM: Message edited by: twin58 ]
sportinlife
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twin58:
It gets worse. Uzbekistan:
I started a separate thread where I reference Craig Murray's commentary. I don't know whether these should be combined.

Unfortunately the subject merits both IMO. Our role in this is reprehensible. This is just sad.
twin58
I couldn't remember where I saw that link. Thanks for posting it. The situation is truly horrible. We are making pacts with some vile people. It will backfire. I hope I can die first.
msully
While I'm no Bush fan, the title of this thread is inaccurate. Bush didn't claim Amnesty International hates America, he claims they interviewed released terrorists who hate America.

Here's the quote:
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The Amnesty International accusations struck him as being based in part on \"allegations by people who were held in detention, people who hate America,\" he said.
It kind of blows your point away when you twist facts like that.

[ June 02, 2005, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: msully ]
Kona Guy
if they are terroists, why are they being released??
msully
Sorry - released 'detainees'.
NewYorkVenus
[quote]swiminbuff:
The rest of the world tends to forget that America can do no wrong. [/quote]Some of them just havent been \"liberated\" yet. rolleyes.gif [/QB][/QUOTE]

So that's what they're calling IT nowadays?!?!

[ June 02, 2005, 07:47 AM: Message edited by: NewYorkVenus ]
sportinlife
An obvious solution would be to have prisoners of a war that was validated by the UN - albeit reluctantly and in a limited fashion - held in facilities monitored or managed by the UN.

The prisoners would be held in accordance with international law and tried under international law. The difficulty with the current US administration is that it does not respect any law but its own, and only that when it suits it. In such a case, the law of the jungle rules.
PhillyFan
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gmginsfo
Thanks for posting that otherwise unreported piece of political fundraising news, PF. Folks knock the WT and FNC, but who else reports facts like these? Hint: she's blonde, tall, and skinny.

Kudos to President Bush for telling it like it is re: AI. Even more ridiculous was their asking him to prove a negative in terms of the "gulag-like" conditions at Gitmo. If AI's hyper/hypo-critical gaze extended beyond into Fidel's Cuba, maybe they'd have a little more credibility than they do now. But they can't seem to see any further than their own increasingly anti-American agenda. We may not be perfect, but AI's comments prove that there's far, far worse. One more reason why I'm glad I didn't vote for Kerry.
bobby78751
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PhillyFan:
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Thank you for providing a link to an unbiased source. Remind me to address your hypocrisy the next time you throw-up (pun intended) my linking to a liberal source.
PennState4Ever
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bobby78751:
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PhillyFan:
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Thank you for providing a link to an unbiased source. Remind me to address your hypocrisy the next time you throw-up (pun intended) my linking to a liberal source.
The "source" here is not the Washington Times, but rather the Federal Election Commission. The Times simply reported what is found in FEC records, should one care to look.

[ June 02, 2005, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: PennState4Ever ]
bobby78751
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PennState4Ever:
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bobby78751:
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PhillyFan:
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Thank you for providing a link to an unbiased source. Remind me to address your hypocrisy the next time you throw-up (pun intended) my linking to a liberal source.
The \"source\" here is not the Washington Times, but rather the Federal Election Commission. The Times simply reported what is found in FEC records, should one care to look.
And I suppose the "attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees" had absolutely nothing to do with digging up who the Kerry contributors were. rolleyes.gif Nothing to see here, move right along.
millerbeach
What, no one is blaming Bill Clinton for all of this? Come on, Republicans! You're favorite game is on right now...the "Blame Bill Clinton for Everything" game! Jump right in! How dare you bring up Kerry without blaming Bill Clinton.
illini n milwaukee
Perhaps they wanted Kerry to win because he would be better in that area than Bush??? Hmmm, food for thought.

And I don't think those 2 guys wrote the report themselves.


Using your logic, Kraft was also campaigning and biased for John Kerry since some of their hierarchy were big supporters of Kerry. Maybe THAT was what was behind the push for green ketchup and getting rid of that RED ketchup.

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PennState4Ever
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bobby78751:
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PennState4Ever:
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bobby78751:
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PhillyFan:
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Thank you for providing a link to an unbiased source. Remind me to address your hypocrisy the next time you throw-up (pun intended) my linking to a liberal source.
The \"source\" here is not the Washington Times, but rather the Federal Election Commission. The Times simply reported what is found in FEC records, should one care to look.
And I suppose the \"attack last week on the Bush administration's handling of war detainees\" had absolutely nothing to do with digging up who the Kerry contributors were. rolleyes.gif Nothing to see here, move right along.
Of course the AI report had everything to do with an examination of campaign donations by the Times. Why else would they do it? And I fail to see why you are so eager to "move along" because there is "nothing to see" in regard to such.

The only point here is that it does provide some insight into the political leanings of the organization's leadership. Isn't this what we used to call investigative journalism? "Follow the money." Haven't we been hearing that phrase all week?

And I'm sure they donated to Kerry for exactly the reasons suggested -- they supported him, pure and simple. The comparison with a corporate entity, Kraft in this case, is somewhat different, in my view. However, the donations made by individual corporate officers would be similarly revealing. The difference is, however, Kraft is in the food products business, and I don't think has recently accused the USG of running a "gulag."

Look, I have no beef with AI -- my favorite law school professor, and the professor that gave me the highest grade in her human rights law class -- was their international general counsel. However, had AI made they same allegations without using the hyperbolic and patently absurd phrase "gulag of our time", their report may have landed on some more receptive ears.
JC
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If AI's hyper/hypo-critical gaze extended beyond into Fidel's Cuba, maybe they'd have a little more credibility than they do now.
AI's gaze does, in fact, extend into Cuba . But as with Uzbekistan, criticism from Amnesty International doesn't have much impact there and they have not been permitted to visit the country since 1988. AI holds all countries to a very high standard.
MiMatt38
BobbyDearest... seems like you have a penchant for redacting (that means removing) text from quotes to infer something that's not there... like "We went to war because of WMDs".

Hmmm, we see a pattern here... move on folks, just a little debris littering the roadside. Read the whole piece next time BobbyDearest and you won't look like a deer caught in the headlights when truth comes shining in from the right side of the road.
PennState4Ever
E.J. Dione of The Washington Post gets it...

Hyperbole and Human Rights

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Because some words -- gulag is one, Holocaust is certainly another -- are freighted with such profound, chilling and specific historical meaning that they should never be used as attention-grabbing devices. More generally, a willingness to use hyperbolic language should never be confused with toughness...

President Bush drives many people into a fury, and I empathize. But the negative passions the president inspires should not get in the way of the clarity, precision and tough-mindedness that effective opposition demands. Human rights are too important to be lost in bad metaphors.
And so does the Post's editorial board (my guess is that Post columnist Anne Appelbaum, who wrote a Pulitzer Prize winning book called \"Gulag\" had something to do with this May 26 editorial):

American Gulag

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IT'S ALWAYS SAD when a solid, trustworthy institution loses its bearings and joins in the partisan fracas that nowadays passes for political discourse. It's particularly sad when the institution is Amnesty International, which for more than 40 years has been a tough, single-minded defender of political prisoners around the world and a scourge of left- and right-wing dictators alike...But lately the organization has tended to save its most vitriolic condemnations not for the world's dictators but for the United States.

But we draw the line at the use of the word \"gulag\" or at the implication that the United States has somehow become the modern equivalent of Stalin's Soviet Union. Guantanamo Bay is an ad hoc creation, designed to contain captured enemy combatants in wartime. Abuses there -- including new evidence of desecrating the Koran -- have been investigated and discussed by the FBI, the press and, to a still limited extent, the military. The Soviet gulag, by contrast, was a massive forced labor complex consisting of thousands of concentration camps and hundreds of exile villages through which more than 20 million people passed during Stalin's lifetime and whose existence was not acknowledged until after his death. Its modern equivalent is not Guantanamo Bay, but the prisons of Cuba, where Amnesty itself says a new generation of prisoners of conscience reside; or the labor camps of North Korea, which were set up on Stalinist lines; or China's laogai , the true size of which isn't even known; or, until recently, the prisons of Saddam Hussein's Iraq.

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