Unknown aircraft said to fire missile in Iran
State TV: Powerful explosion in area with power plantBREAKING NEWS
Updated: 8:48 a.m. ET Feb. 16, 2005TEHRAN, Iran - An unknown aircraft fired a missile on Wednesday in a deserted area near the southern city of Dailam in the province of Bushehr where Iran has a nuclear power plant, Iranian state television said.
"A powerful explosion was heard this morning on the outskirts of Dailam in the Bushehr province. Witnesses said that the missile was fired from an unknown plane 12 miles from the city," Iran's Arabic language Al-Alam said.
Full Version: Iran power plant bombed
If this turns out to be something we did, I swear that Kindasleezy said this wasn't "on the agenda". Hummmm...it must have been on an historical document or something. Oh, the hypocrisy!!!
[ February 16, 2005, 07:32 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
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We dont want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud. 
Well, weren't Iran and Syria next on the list? We just recalled our ambassador to the latter country. Let freedom reign/rain/rein!
Syria and Iran have announced they have formed an alliance (perhaps western media will call it "Saran.") 
Seriously, today Rummy, Wolfy, et al each made a point of mentioning Iran and terrorism, just as they linked Iraq and terrorism in the days before the US invaded. One gets the feeling it's no longer if the US will march on Tehran but how many days until it begins--with the subtext of trying to keep Iran from influencing the fledgling "democracy" in Iraq.
~Adam
Seriously, today Rummy, Wolfy, et al each made a point of mentioning Iran and terrorism, just as they linked Iraq and terrorism in the days before the US invaded. One gets the feeling it's no longer if the US will march on Tehran but how many days until it begins--with the subtext of trying to keep Iran from influencing the fledgling "democracy" in Iraq.~Adam
If OBL succeeds in overthrowing Musharaf in Pakistan and leaves a regime that allies with Iran and Syria, this could move beyond a laughing matter. Even North Korea, which is mostly bluster and culturally distant from the Middle East, could become a real threat if it too feels forced into said alliance by the intractability and incompetence of our current government. I think we may be losing the game of playing one enemy against another of our enemies in the Middle East, and around the world.
It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say "please" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals. Desiring to speak Korean, Iranian, or Syrian as your native language, are you?
The world should not sit by and let such monstruous nations possess such nuclear capabilities.
The world should not sit by and let such monstruous nations possess such nuclear capabilities.
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MIB:
It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals. Desiring to speak Korean, Iranian, or Syrian as your native language, are you?
You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that actually exist. Which of the Republican masters of malapropisms was it that talked about "speaking Mexican?"It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals. Desiring to speak Korean, Iranian, or Syrian as your native language, are you?
Also, what people are insistent on is that Iraq wasn't the greatest threat to American security at the time or now and that overextending our forces there commits us to a limited course of action regarding real threats to our country's security. We've entrenched undemocratic regimes other by propping them up or by alienating their citizens. We can't threaten Iran with anything more than stern diplomacy because they, as well as the rest of the world, know that we can't back it up. It would be far worse for us to threaten the use of force and have to back down than to merely use the diplomatic solutions we have available at this time.
MIB, I'd say this unholy alliance is certainly a cause for concern, but hardly fear or fright; pace FDR. And Adam, I'd hardly say the US-led March on Teheran is as imminent as you fear.
Shame you, JQ!
Not "that," but "who,"
spoke of speaking "Mexican,"
just added to our lexicon!
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Shame you, JQ!
Not "that," but "who,"
spoke of speaking "Mexican,"
just added to our lexicon!
wink
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gmginsfo:
Shame you, JQ!
Not \"that,\" but \"who,\"
spoke of speaking \"Mexican,\"
just added to our lexicon!
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Mea culpa. Mea Culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
Shame you, JQ!
Not \"that,\" but \"who,\"
spoke of speaking \"Mexican,\"
just added to our lexicon!
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[quote]jqueer:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MIB:
[qb] You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that actually exist. [/quote]Ummm you mean Farsi, riiiight? They dont normally refer to modern Persian as "Persian". So dont try and bust on MIB about not knowing what languages people speak.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MIB:
[qb] You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that actually exist. [/quote]Ummm you mean Farsi, riiiight? They dont normally refer to modern Persian as "Persian". So dont try and bust on MIB about not knowing what languages people speak.
I don't know any Syrians, but I know a LOT of Iranians, and they all speak Farsi. The only Persians I know are rugs. [rim shot]
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jqueer
You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones.
Arabs are a comparatively small minority in Iran. You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones.
Ethnic Groups in Iran:
Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%
Lanuages Spoken:
Persian and Persian dialects 58%, Turkic and Turkic dialects 26%, Kurdish 9%, Luri 2%, Balochi 1%, Arabic 1%, Turkish 1%, other 2%
Source: CIA World Factbook: Iran
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Ummm you mean Farsi, there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that riiiight? They dont normally refer to modern Persian as \"Persian\". So dont try and bust on MIB about not knowing what languages people speak.
Absolutely correct. I had just been hearing a report about the "Persian" aspects of Iranian society and how it sometimes conflicts with modern Islam.Ummm you mean Farsi, there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that riiiight? They dont normally refer to modern Persian as \"Persian\". So dont try and bust on MIB about not knowing what languages people speak.
That's fine, you can bust MIB about knowing which languages people speak for me. If you're not going to, I'll continue to, even with the occasional mistake.
Is this thread about an explosion in Iran, or the languages spoken in the region? I can't tell.
Anyway, initially it was reported that the explosion was caused by a missile launched by an aircraft, then that changed to possibly a fuel tank falling from an Iranian aircraft, and now it's an explosion that occurred in the process of building a road. I don't know what happened for sure, but I bet it doesn't depend on what languages are spoken in the area.
Anyway, initially it was reported that the explosion was caused by a missile launched by an aircraft, then that changed to possibly a fuel tank falling from an Iranian aircraft, and now it's an explosion that occurred in the process of building a road. I don't know what happened for sure, but I bet it doesn't depend on what languages are spoken in the area.
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It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals.
When it comes to Iran, are you saying that we are supposed to take the word of our regime (the same idiots who LIED to us about Iraq!) that Iran possesses these weapons with no inspection whatsoever? Oh, yes, we have more of those satellite pics with arrows pointing at buildings. Yes, that is definitely all the proof we need. You are totally clueless. Now, get your ass in line like the rest of the sheep.
It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals.
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MIB:
It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals.
When it comes to Iran, are you saying that we are supposed to take the word of our regime (the same idiots who LIED to us about Iraq!) that Iran possesses these weapons with no inspection whatsoever? Oh, yes, we have more of those satellite pics with arrows pointing at buildings. Yes, that is definitely all the proof we need. You are totally clueless. Now, get your ass in line like the rest of the sheep.
It's absolutely frightening that Iran and Syria announce an alliance against us, that Iran is supposedly a nuclear power now, along with North Korea, and ya'll are insistent that all we do is say \"please\" or something to get them to dispense with their weapons and terroristic ideals.
And now they have an earthquake. eek!
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\"This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. Having said that, all options are on the table,\" Bush said.
Coming from almost any other politician that would be considered the most obvious of double-speaks. But we as a nation seem to except this sort of waffling from George W. Bush routinely now.
Well, now former UNSCOM inspector and ex-Marine Scott Ritter is saying that W Unltd. has signed off on an attack against Iran. I wonder if W hipped Chirac to this over those French fries?
DailyKos: Scott Ritter: Bush plans to attack Iran in June
DailyKos: Scott Ritter: Bush plans to attack Iran in June
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Scott Ritter, appearing with journalist Dahr Jamail yesterday in Washington State, dropped two shocking bombshells in a talk delivered to a packed house in Olympia's Capitol Theater. The ex-Marine turned UNSCOM weapons inspector said that George W. Bush has \"signed off\" on plans to bomb Iran in June 2005, and claimed the U.S. manipulated the results of the recent Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.
Olympians like to call the Capitol Theater \"historic,\" but it's doubtful whether the eighty-year-old edifice has ever been the scene of more portentous revelations.
The principal theme of Scott Ritter's talk was Americans' duty to protect the U.S. Constitution by taking action to bring an end to the illegal war in Iraq. But in passing, the former UNSCOM weapons inspector stunned his listeners with two pronouncements. Ritter said plans for a June attack on Iran have been submitted to President George W. Bush, and that the president has approved them. He also asserted that knowledgeable sources say U.S. officials \"cooked\" the results of the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.
On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran's alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.
Oh, and as an add-on, he also said W Unltd. rigged the recent Iraqi elections. Say it ain't so, say it ain't so!Olympians like to call the Capitol Theater \"historic,\" but it's doubtful whether the eighty-year-old edifice has ever been the scene of more portentous revelations.
The principal theme of Scott Ritter's talk was Americans' duty to protect the U.S. Constitution by taking action to bring an end to the illegal war in Iraq. But in passing, the former UNSCOM weapons inspector stunned his listeners with two pronouncements. Ritter said plans for a June attack on Iran have been submitted to President George W. Bush, and that the president has approved them. He also asserted that knowledgeable sources say U.S. officials \"cooked\" the results of the Jan. 30 elections in Iraq.
On Iran, Ritter said that President George W. Bush has received and signed off on orders for an aerial attack on Iran planned for June 2005. Its purported goal is the destruction of Iran's alleged program to develop nuclear weapons, but Ritter said neoconservatives in the administration also expected that the attack would set in motion a chain of events leading to regime change in the oil-rich nation of 70 million -- a possibility Ritter regards with the greatest skepticism.
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The former Marine also said that the Jan. 30 elections, which George W. Bush has called \"a turning point in the history of Iraq, a milestone in the advance of freedom,\" were not so free after all. Ritter said that U.S. authorities in Iraq had manipulated the results in order to reduce the percentage of the vote received by the United Iraqi Alliance from 56% to 48%.
Oh, I see, since he is done tinkering with elections in this country, the shrub has found fresh meat in Iraq! By the way, someone remind me why we are even considering going to war against Iran? Did they sneeze the wrong way or something? What about those color-coded terror alerts? They have been amazingly absent since the elections. Did we capture Osama Bin Laden while I was asleep?
Iran is developing nukes. They wanted Saddam out. They had their agent Chalabi to engineer the Iraq II war. He promised to be lovey-dovey with Israel, which was the biggest farce since Iran hates Israel worse than Saddam-Iraq did! He even sat canoodling with Laura Bush at W's 2004 State of the Union Address. Then W dropped him like a hot potato because it turned out he was a double agent. Allawi (a former Saddam thug) tried to get his people to clamp down on Chalabi, who has been accused of counterfeiting money since he got back to Iraq. Chalabi countered by saying Allawi's people were shipping money out to Switzerland. Nobody knows where $8 billion of Iraqi oil money went under Bremer--maybe Chalabi got some, maybe Allawi. But like the Energizer Bunny, Chalabi, the Iranian agent, keeps ticking. He was recently up for the prime ministership, but ceded to Jaafari of the Dawa Party, which bombed US bases in Kuwait in 1983. Dawa also has pushed for a Islamic state. Chalabi sat beside Jaafari yesterday to show his support. The Iranian mullahs now have their man (men?) in Iraq, in office. What's the US to do? Bomb them.
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fantomas:
Iran is developing nukes.
NORTH KOREA HAS NUKES!!! What is the U.S. to do? Nothing because they will whip our asses! We will go pick on someone weaker.
Iran is developing nukes.
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fantomas:
...which bombed US bases in Kuwait in 1983...
A minor correction. The US embassy was bombed -- in addition to the French embassy, the airport control tower, the main oil refinery, and a Raytheon residential compound. The US took no military action in response....which bombed US bases in Kuwait in 1983...
The "Kuwait 17" were arrested/convicted in Kuwait, and were reportedly mistakently released by Iraqi invaders in 1990.
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Which is your stance boobster cause you have have it both way... US did nothing but appease (under your homeboy billybob). Now they have nukes.QUOTE
fantomas:
Iran is developing nukes.
NORTH KOREA HAS NUKES!!! What is the U.S. to do? Nothing because they will whip our asses! We will go pick on someone weaker. Iran is developing nukes.
W says, nope not gonna have them.
sounds pretty clear to me, you stop the problem before it becomes one. Fact is that while we tried to appease N Korea, they still developed them, now they are a problem to deal with.
Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
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W says, nope not gonna have them.
Really? Wow, I haven't heard W say anything about North Korea giving up their nukes unless he's standing there with his tail tucked between his legs as scared as a little girl about to wet her panties.
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Which is your stance boobster cause you have have it both way... US did nothing but appease (under your homeboy billybob). Now they have nukes.QUOTE
fantomas:
Iran is developing nukes.
NORTH KOREA HAS NUKES!!! What is the U.S. to do? Nothing because they will whip our asses! We will go pick on someone weaker. Iran is developing nukes.
W says, nope not gonna have them.
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PhillyFan:
Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
Which branch of the military are you going to sign up for? Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
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RazorbackTX:
Maybe there's an EASY button on his keyboard that says "BOMBS AWAY!".
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PhillyFan:
Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
Which branch of the military are you going to sign up for? Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
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PennState4Ever:
The \"Kuwait 17\" were arrested/convicted in Kuwait, and were reportedly mistakently released by Iraqi invaders in 1990.
Yes, Pennstate, you're right, it was the US Embassy and other targests that affiliates of Jaafari's party attacked. Raygun did not respond. And the Iraqis did mistakenly "release" these folks in 1990. Now one of their very own--and a person who has strong ties to Iran clerocracy--is poised to sit atop the Iraqi government. This is just how we wanted it, right?
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fantomas:
...which bombed US bases in Kuwait in 1983...
A minor correction. The US embassy was bombed -- in addition to the French embassy, the airport control tower, the main oil refinery, and a Raytheon residential compound. The US took no military action in response....which bombed US bases in Kuwait in 1983...
The \"Kuwait 17\" were arrested/convicted in Kuwait, and were reportedly mistakently released by Iraqi invaders in 1990.
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jqueer:
You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that actually exist.
I know exactly what languages they speak. I intentionally chose not to get into a big explanation of such and therefore chose to refer to each in terms of their respective countries, something commonly done when referring to multiple dialects.
You don't even know what languages these countries speak. Iran and Syria largely speak Arabic, though there are many Persian speakers in Iran. If you're so concerned about having to learn these languages, you should at least be learning the right ones. Or, for that matter, ones that actually exist.
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Actually boobster this is a good time for you to actually make a point. Without any restriction and goodwill the N. Koreans built nukes... somehow that was W's fault (when they had them just months after). But now with Iran he says no...QUOTE
RazorbackTX:
Maybe there's an EASY button on his keyboard that says \"BOMBS AWAY!\". QUOTE
PhillyFan:
Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
Which branch of the military are you going to sign up for? Iran? BOMBS AWAY...
Which side do you take?
So either bag on bubba or say doing nothing is the best course of action...
I'll wait.
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MIB:
I know exactly what languages they speak. I intentionally chose not to get into a big explanation of such and therefore chose to refer to each in terms of their respective countries, something commonly done when referring to multiple dialects.
Then you should have said Arabic. Syrian and Iranian aren't languages, they're nationalities. Farsi (my apologies for the lapse of my own) isn't a dialect of Arabic. This is not a case of not refering to American English and British English, but just calling it English. This is a case of making up languages that don't exist. Something I should be familiar with, since I did it myself in my reply.
I know exactly what languages they speak. I intentionally chose not to get into a big explanation of such and therefore chose to refer to each in terms of their respective countries, something commonly done when referring to multiple dialects.
Jqueer, he just tossed off a whole lotta...well, you know. Don't "judge" him too harshly.
Back to IranIraq, it looks like W's giving Europe till...June (surprise, surprise!) to do whatever with Iran, then we'll bom...er, push for sanctions. Yeah, that's what they're calling it. BTW, according to Allawi's propagand...er, news sources, they captured another (the same one?) of Zarqawi's top agents! Hot damn! Saddam, Uday and Qusay, all the people in the deck of cards, the Fallujah crowd, the Ramadi crowd, Sadr-dead-or-alive, Zarqawi's top bombmaker, nope, not than one, the other one...each time, it's all going to stop, yet the bombings and madness increase, and pro-Iranian Shiites now control Iraq's government! The pro-US Kurds were supposed to opposed them, and now they've signed on board. D'oh!
I guess there's a plan, somewhere in all of this. Whatever God wills....
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Back to IranIraq, it looks like W's giving Europe till...June (surprise, surprise!) to do whatever with Iran, then we'll bom...er, push for sanctions. Yeah, that's what they're calling it. BTW, according to Allawi's propagand...er, news sources, they captured another (the same one?) of Zarqawi's top agents! Hot damn! Saddam, Uday and Qusay, all the people in the deck of cards, the Fallujah crowd, the Ramadi crowd, Sadr-dead-or-alive, Zarqawi's top bombmaker, nope, not than one, the other one...each time, it's all going to stop, yet the bombings and madness increase, and pro-Iranian Shiites now control Iraq's government! The pro-US Kurds were supposed to opposed them, and now they've signed on board. D'oh!
I guess there's a plan, somewhere in all of this. Whatever God wills....
[ February 25, 2005, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
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fantomas:
BTW, according to Allawi's propagand...er, news sources, they captured another (the same one?) of Zarqawi's top agents! Hot damn! Saddam, Uday and Qusay, all the people in the deck of cards
Last I heard, Osama is still on the run...was he in the deck of cards? We'll let FillyPhan respond to that one since he always has a deck of cards handy...you know, just in case he runs into an alQaeda member while he is protecting the borders of Arizona from behind his keyboard. BTW, according to Allawi's propagand...er, news sources, they captured another (the same one?) of Zarqawi's top agents! Hot damn! Saddam, Uday and Qusay, all the people in the deck of cards
When was the last time Bush said the name Osama bin Laden?
QUOTE(PennState4Ever @ Feb 17 2005, 10:32 PM) 
Good link. It might be useful for all of us to take a look at it now that an Israeli historian is predicting an attack on Iran's nuclear facilities before the next US president takes office.Of particular interest might be the links to Iran, Israel and the United States, as two of them may cease to exist, or atleast as they are now described, and the third will have to take the lead in dealing with the aftermath - whatever that may be.
I disagree with many of his contentions concerning why such an attack is inevitable. But my most fundamental disagreement is with the fact that he thinks it is inevitable at all.
Many powerful Israeli's have repeatedly contended that a nuclearized Iran, with or without proof of an existing nuclear bomb, represents an existential threat to Israel.
I would contend that a bombed Iran might represent more of an existential threat to Israel than nuclear Iran.
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