http://www.extremeskins.com/modules.php?op...haha&file=index

This is pretty funny. I did enjoy the Kerry "have another beer" collins hit.


PCC, looks like cbs aint too impressed with the 4-skins either...

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/7340580

Maybe they havent seen your 1992 Joe GIbbs swimsuit calendar? Is april and may still stuck together?

Denver at NUMBER 2? You've got to be fricking kidding me. JAX semms to have become some chic pick too.

I think Seattle can be good if the seahags learn to play on the road this year.

Yes, PhillyFan, opinions are like ass and any opinion that puts fatboy Andy Reid's Eagles at #4 and Joe Gibbs' Redskins at #20, stinks.

Tell me pcc, who's going to block for Portis? The OL stunk last year. Bringing in a couple of guys from SD... ummmm...

Armstead and trotter are gone, who's replacing them? If anything that was the strong point of the D last year. Even if they constantly play out of position and over-ran 1/2 the plays.

Spring for Bailey? Downgrade.

How long can the aging QB stay healthy when he's going to be running for his life?

Where have they improved over any team (other than the gints) in the division? No where.

Parcells is trying to revamp his roster in dallas with more of his grind out players. They also have a hell of a D. Best in the division.

Fatboy has won the most regular season games the last 3 years. Rarely will lose a game he's supposed to win. He's lost what, 2 games to division foes in the last 2 years during the regular season?

So after Gibbs hasnt coached for 10,000 years and has been smelling gas fumes for 1/2 of that, you really think he comes in and cleans house?

You are really shitting me man.

Have the Gibbs blow up dolls come out yet? Your old one was getting pretty crusty.

PCC - I hear you about opinions BUT the way I look at it -- the guy who wrote that article (and the odds makers in Vegas whose rankings are very similar) know a whole hell of a lot more than I do about football.

The problem with your Skins is that they have an idiot owner. I love Joe Gibbs but he will have to be a Saint put up with Danny's bs.

I don't get the Packers being ranked above the Vikings. The Packers basically have the same team as last year, but the Vikings return with their #1 offense improved and huge strides in their defense.

Broncos at #2?? Eagles at #4??

I agree with some of the rankings, but some are just crazy!!

Sting, I hope you arent thinking the rookies on D are going to make a difference... i mean, there's not D in Vikings. As you will find out in philly. You will find a few fists when you spell philly though.... oops the fists have nothing to do with superbooty either...

Yeah, I can't wait to see those young CBs try to stop Moss and Robinson and Burleson and Campbell. Did you forget that the game is on monday night? Randy Moss is MR. MONDAY NIGHT!!

Krull-Pepper cant throw the ball if he is laying on his azz now can he?

Minnesota has one of the best O-lines in the NFL. How do you think they had the #4 rushing offense? The Eagles D on the other hand gives up 100+ yards easily every game.

Actually Sting, The eagles D line had what, 5 players missing from it's DL line last year. So you can take that stat and shove it.

Oh my, it's not even June and you're already playing the injury card. What, are you thinking of becoming a Bucs fan this year?

Injuries last year have nothing to do with this year... you asked why the birds run D sucked, and i told you.

Not even Joe Gibbs could have gotten them do play better with no depth.

Anyway if i was a fan of the yucks, well I wouldnt have cared because they werent winning, so I would have just started to watch hockey... and never learned what 2 line pass was...

[ May 28, 2004, 03:57 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I'll take Jansen, Thomas, Raymer, Dockery and Samuels with Joe Bugel over most offensive lines in the league.

Act II: Boss Hog Knows His Lines

If you can focus your muddled mind and remember the days before Steve Spurrier (and Kim Helton, his OL coach) laid waste to the concept of offensive line play, you'll remember that Chris Samuels and Jon Jansen were one of the top young bookends in the league, Samuels coming off a Pro-Bowl year. Randy Thomas was the top free agent guard available last year and Derrick Dockery was one of the top rated guards in the draft last year.

And speaking of offensive lines, what are the Eagles going to do with the 400lb. Shawn Andrews, who I'm sure fatboy only drafted so he could have a new eating buddy.


Springs + Taylor is a HUGE upgrade over that lockerroom cancer Champ Bailey. And they're much cheaper.

And speaking of lockerroom cancers, I see the Eagles signed Jeff Blake today.

And let's look at fatboy's divisional record over the past four years.

2003 – 5-1
2002 – 5-1
2001 – 6-2
2000 – 5-3

Twenty-one and seven (21-7) sounds pretty good doesn't it but let's examine it more closely. In those four years, fatboy was 10-0 against Dave Campo and Steve Spurrier, 13-1 including the Cardinals when they were in the NFC East. Yes, fatboy lost to the Cardinals.

What does all of this tell us? Fatboy is a paltry 8-6 (including 2-0 against the 4-12 Giants last year) when faced with even remotely competent coaching, Jim Fassel on the high end, Marty Schottenheimer in the middle and Norv Turner on the low end. Yes, fatboy was 1-1 against Norv Turner in 2000 and Norv Turner personifies “remotely competent”.

There are no soft touches for fatboy in the NFC East anymore. Fatboy will lose at least 3 games in the NFC East, emphasis on “at least” and Joe Gibbs and/or Bill Parcells will sweep him. Don't you just know that fatboy is planning on something like an onside kick on the opening kickoff that worked so well against Dave Campo and failed so miserably against Bill Parcells. Over the six games he coaches this year in the NFC East, fatboy is going to prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that he is the worst coach in the division.

Jeff Blake the 3rd string QB? You are making a point about that? Are you kidding me? I am sure that Blake is going to have a major impact on the team when he is standing there with his clipboard in hand.

Springs and Taylor are now better than an all pro CB? How exactly is that PCC? And cheaper? Since when did danny boi care about the salary cap?

I want to know what your point is about the division record? Let me explain what a good coach does... he beats the teams he is supposed to beat. No more No less. Micky Mouse could be coaching the deadskins (and he probably will in another year), you beat him. Then you try to dismiss Fassel as not a good coach? The guy who took the giants to the Superbowl? The one who took them to the playoffs? WHAT?

The bottom line is, last year you had a hard on for the ole ball coach. Now, Gibbs is unbeatable... YAWN...

Fact is, i dont see where the skins are stronger in any area of their team over the eagles, no where.

Now, go put your hog nose on, grab the dress and stare at you Joe Gibbs racing poster and dream of finishing at 500 this year... that'd be sweet.

First, Jeff Blake isn't the 3rd string quarterback. He could win the 2nd string job and he could be 1st string when McNabb goes down, after Shawn Andrews falls on him. A cancer is a cancer and he'll always be a cancer, regardless of his place on the roster. He'll fit right in with TO.

And the addition of Shawn Springs and Sean Taylor more than compensates for losing Champ Bailey. And the combination of their salaries is much less than Chump is stealing from Denver. The Broncos are going to be so surprised when Chump, who's supposed to be a shutdown corner, never shuts down anybody. It will be particularly noticeable when the Broncos play the Cowboys, if Chump's play with the Redskins was any indication.

I'll explain again what's so indicative about fatboy's divisional record. In the past 4 years fatboy is:

1-1 against Norv Turner
1-1 against Marty Schottenheimer
5-3 against Jim Fassel (2-0 last year's anomalous 4-12 record included)
13-1 against Dave Campo, Steve Spurrier and the Cardinals

Again, what this tells us is that fatboy needs to face the drecks of the coaching ranks, Campo and Spurrier, or the Cardinals in order to excel. Fatboy will be out of his league going up against Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells and even Tom Coughlin. Fatboy is the worst coach in the NFC East and the team that has the worst coach in a division, rarely wins that division. When fatboy comes out of the East with 3 or more losses, those 12-4 records quickly drop to 9-7 or worse.

And I expected “the ole ball coach” to adjust his offense to fit the NFL and he never did. How would we have known that he wouldn't?

And the only position the Eagles are clearly stronger than the Redskins is at defensive line. Everywhere else the Redskins are as strong or stronger, emphasis on stronger, starting with coaching.

[ May 30, 2004, 04:09 PM: Message edited by: PCC ]

Based on your past track record in predictions regarding the Eagles and Redskins, it's time to pour tons of money into Vegas betting on the Eagles. You're never right, so folks, bet the opposite.

An Exclusive from ExtremeSkins...

The Gibbsian Moment

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by Mark "Om" Steven
May 31, 2004
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There are three kinds of Redskins fans.

Group One already knows what this piece is about, just for having read the title.

Group Two—a group to which I suspect few will admit belonging—may experience a moment of retroactive clarity; recognition of something that has been there all along, but upon which they simply never have put a mental finger. I know—hard to imagine. But still.

Group Three—for and about whom this piece is ultimately written—are those either too young or too new to the Burgundy and Gold to have fully appreciated the Joe Gibbs Washington Redskins, Act I.

For going on five months now, those of us in Group One have been quietly savoring the daydream that began on January 7, slowly assimilating the concept that the circle really and truly has been closed, and wrapping our minds around the concept that, no, it is in fact not a dream—it’s real. Joe Gibbs Is Back, and all delicious hell is about to break loose.

We’ve probably been a little insufferable about it—wearing those silly Mona Lisa smiles around, refusing to be drawn into the ubiquitous summertime arguments over rosters, draft strategies, front office dynamics, cap considerations and the like—and exuding an unmistakable “I have a secret” attitude. We’ll ask that you forgive us, but the truth is we have found it quite impossible to walk among our fellow man of late without sporting a bit of a ‘tude.

Why? Simple—because we’ve had ours. And we know what’s headed this way.

So we’ve just kind of been living with our admittedly insufferable selves, waiting for everyone else to have theirs ... figuring that when they have, we’ll all gather around the fire, throw back a few too many bottles of champagne, and share a few good laughs at the expense of the rest of the un-assimilated world (and the Two’s—but let’s keep that our secret for now).

Well, that’s what I thought, anyway, until something occurred to me a couple of days ago.

With apologies for being the one to call this to your attention, fellow Ones, I’m afraid I have a bit of bad news. You know that whole thing about us having “had” ours? Well, turns out that’s a double-edged sword. Yes, we still have a few more months to wallow in our smug superiority ... but ... now they all get to have theirs, too—and they get to live it for the first time. They get to live it now. All that stuff about the joy of discovery? ... first love? ... the magic of the first time? They haven’t been writing poetry and singing songs about that stuff since the dawn of Man for nothing, you know.

So I admit it—I’m jealous. More than that, I’m begrudging, covetous, esurient and invidious. Check the eyes ... green. So while the usually magnanimous, adult side of me is happy for them on an intellectual level, and while it’s true that I can’t wait until a few million new brothers and sisters step across the threshold and become Ones with the rest of us, the unvarnished truth is I’m also utterly envious that they are, at some point in the not-too-distant future, going to have their very own Gibbsian Moment.

So, as a self-appointed spokesman of the soon-to-no-longer-be-unique Group Oners who wish to enjoy the Moment again vicariously through all of you Two’s and Three’s, and in the hopes of at least participating in the process to some tiny degree, I intend to plant a couple of seeds here. Hopefully, some day soon, when many of you have had yours—when you’ve recognized it, internalized it, analyzed and personalized it—you’ll think back to the day in the early summer of 2004 that your long-winded colleague “called it” on behalf of those already where you are all about to go. Then we’ll all sit around, drink too much champagne, and share a good laugh.

Group Two is buying.

For most, achieving their Moment it will be a cumulative process; bits of data picked up here and there, until they reach critical mass one memorable day and introduce themselves as, say, Mr. Arrington once did Mr. Aikman. An attention-grabber, to be sure, but for the most part survivable. For others, it will simply rise up suddenly and come out of nowhere—a massive, epiphanous slap upside the metaphoric head. Now while that may sound like fun, do be careful if it should happen to you while driving or making love. Major crash and burn potential there, either way—to say nothing of the threat of sudden and unauthorized lane changes. Bad things, man.

And one hopes, for their sakes, there aren’t too many folks out there able to experience theirs only via a Super Bowl win—because there are simply no guarantees that we’re going there. We’re going in that direction, sure enough, but you probably oughtn’t put all your ova in that one particular basket. If you’re the kind inclined to only celebrate the ultimate victories in life, I humbly submit for your consideration the sage old adage: the key to happiness and fulfillment in life comes in learning to enjoy the journey, not focusing solely on the destination.

So ... enough with the black-turtleneck-wearing, outside-the-coffee-shop-playing-a-lute-image-summoning, surreptitiously-ogling-all-the young-women philosophizing. What about the MOMENT, already?

It could happen, conceivably, as early as training camp, assuming of course that you’re fortunate enough to attend a session or two. Not likely, mind you, because the team won’t be teeing it up in anger or anything, but if you’re there and watching closely—paying attention more to the football than the smokin’ babes in halters and/or righteous dudes without shirts (we are equal opportunity sexists here) in the stands—you may pick up some early sign. You won’t really know you’re having it just then, of course, but it could be a down-payment—one you look back at some point down the line, and realize, “yup, by dang, that’s when it started.”

It could come in something as subtle as taking notice of the manner in which the team carries itself, as it streams out of the big white building, down the steps and onto the field ... or the manner in which they move smartly from drill to drill—as if everyone knows precisely where they’re supposed to go, and what they’re supposed to do when they get there. Perhaps it could come from the comfortable, natural tenor of the hollers, catcalls and trash talk ... or from watching and listening to Joe Bugel, in all his bigger-than-life, blue-collar magnificence, as his charisma radiates across the grounds with equal or better impact than the 100 degree heat. Could be some amorphous, gestalty combination of all of the above.

And maybe, just maybe, you’ll catch yourself, subconsciously, thinking, “hey, now this is how an NFL practice is supposed to be run.”

It could happen, conceivably, come preseason ... when even though you know in your head that the team hasn’t game-planned anything, and that it isn’t concerned in the slightest with “winning” on the scoreboard, you still notice that even this early—this preposterously early, given the sea changes—the various units are getting on and off the field smoothly. That the players are lining up where they’re supposed to, as one; that the motion man is timing his break up field just so as the ball is snapped. That sideline decisions are being made timely, and translated with seemingly effortless efficiency to the field. And you may even hear your inner voice wryly noting, “man, that other team sure has a long way to go.”

You will definitely process these things, but in the heat of game battle, you probably won’t consciously think about them. Too soon. But “man, you know what?” some barely-audible voice in your head will whisper, “this is how a professional football team is supposed to look in preseason.”

It could happen, conceivably, in the season opener, when by the end of the first half—even as the team takes on a solid, veteran defense in the Buccaneers, and considering this is the first live game situation this particular team has seen—you have not once reacted to a play call by asking everyone in your immediate vicinity, “what the hell was that?!” Or that, win or lose, blowing out or being blown out, you aren’t walking back to your car after the game with the bitter taste in your mouth you used to get from knowing the other team didn’t really have to beat yours—yours didn’t really make them have to.

It could, quite possibly, come as mine did some twenty years ago, as you watch a Redskins game among fans of the opposition. You may find yourself at a friends’ house, or a crowded bar, and catch yourself noticing that one dude in the wrong-colored jersey across the room. You’ll watch him unconsciously shaking his head, slowly, back and forth—face a mask of utter disgust, as he watches his team seemingly unable to do anything right. You’ll know what he’s thinking—you’ll feel it ... and it will all seem so familiar ... so incredibly, distastefully, painfully familiar. “Oh sure,” you’ll hear him thinking, “the Redskins manage to save a crucial time out at the end of the half to get the field goal, why the hell can’t we? And what’s with the freakin’ false starts? And why, for chrissakes, can’t we stop that #&%$*!! counter trey?”

You’ll look away, a somehow familiar, silly little smile playing across your lips, as it all starts to make sense. You'll turn slowly back to the screen, and your beer will taste as good as you can ever remember. “Hey brother,” you’ll think with an amused, almost Olympian detachment, “ain’t no thing—that’s just the way the game is supposed to be played.”

Do be patient, though ... because it’s quite likely that your Moment won’t really come until sometime late in the next season or two, when enough data points have finally accumulated. When one Sunday afternoon or Monday Night in late November or December, when the team faces a national game with huge playoff implications, and, during the pregame shows, you notice that all the talking heads are expounding on what the other team has to do to “stop Washington.” And when they talk to the opposing head coach, that they’re spending the entire segment solemnly asking him what it’s like having to “prepare to play the Redskins.”

And when they say that word, for the first time in as long as you remember, you’ll actually be able to hear the capital “R.”

That's when you'll know.

Bottom line, my dear Threes ... it’s coming. And when it does, know that you will not be alone. We Older Ones will be right there with you—happy and jealous—wishing like hell we could glom onto just an echo of your Moment. We’ll be there with you when you smile that first quiet little smile, and come to Truly Know Something that the rest of the great less fortunate football world does not. And we’ll understand why you won’t need to say a word. Mona won’t have nothin’ on us.

May you revel in your Moment, and use the lifelong power it confers upon you for good.

One last thing. When it does come—even as you inwardly laugh, cry and scream—you may find yourself, almost instinctively, carrying on outwardly rather like you’ve “been there” before. Don’t be surprised—that's simply how Redskins fans are supposed to act.

Hail.

That sounds like a recruitment poster for bandwagon fans. Doesn't a team usually have to win before recruiting fair weather fans?

Ummmm, what the heck was that article about?

Did they mean to say that Boogle could coach a HS team to run the counter on any NFL team cause, well, he's the BEST? That Gibbs can coach any team cause well, he's the best?

Or just that 4-skin fans are idiots?

I'll go with group 3.

OH, and if you think that Jeff Blake is some sort of cancer as a 3rd string QB holding his clip board... well... I guess you'd think that losing champ bailey is a good thing... yeah...

...spoken like someone who's never had a Gibbsian moment.

Bugel is the best.

Gibbs is the best.

[ June 01, 2004, 10:18 AM: Message edited by: PCC ]

[quote]PCC:
[QUOTE]spoken like someone who's never had a Gibbsian moment. [/quote]Gibbsian moment? What exactly is that?

Candle light... Soft "hail to 4-skins" in the background.... 2 joe gibbs handtowels... the blow up doll with a hog nose..... and a bottle of lube?

Actually PCC, we are all just waiting for you to show how the skins are better than any team in the east... well except the Gints cause they are gonna suck.

But really... i'll wait...

I'll let the play on the field speak for itself.

...and the Redskins' play will speak loudly.

[ June 01, 2004, 01:16 PM: Message edited by: PCC ]

OK KEWL PCC! Back to your lil hole.. Oh i think mommy is calling you for dinner... hurry along now and eat your veggies.

The legacy continues...

Wrong. Canidate was traded for a 4th round pick and a backup offensive lineman. Fiore was signed for a little above the veteran minimum.

...more Dan Snyder bashing.

Maybe you should check your resources again. I'm sure you were too busy having a Gibbsian moment to check the facts.

Light a candle...or with a Gibbs deity would you light a tire...while you figure it out. Here's the story.



[ June 02, 2004, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: stinger85 ]

I didn't mean they weren't cut. They just weren't "high-profile acquisitions".

...and the fact that this came from Len Pastabelly, Philadelphia moron, is of no surprise. Everything he writes about the Redskins is like this.

See this story for example...

[ June 02, 2004, 06:29 PM: Message edited by: PCC ]

ARE YOU REALLY SAYING THAT TROTTER WASNT A HIGH PROFILE SIGNING? Are you MAD?

2 years ago that was one of the biggest FA signings of the offseason after the Birds let him go. He was going to be the eagles franchise player, but they would not overpay him like danny boy and his purse do to all the FA's.

If you dont think Trotter was top 10 FA busts washington ever picked up, then you are totally blind.

You must have forgotten how the 4-skins were supposed to have the best LB crew of all time, only to fall short... like they always do.

I didn't mention Trotter.

I'm confused PCC, for a team that hasnt finished about 500 in about 10,000 years, or so it seems... how can you be so blind. Trotter's salary probably made up 90% of 5mil saved...

By the way, didnt you have a hard on for trung and his 3,000 yards rushing last year?

My first quotes came from Joseph White, an AP writer, not Pasquawhatever. Here is this story

With this quote extracted.

PCC, it seems your idol Gibbs is getting paranoid in his old age.

TOP SECRET PLANS - STAY OUT!!!

An often lot of work just to finish 3rd in the division.

...or King Joe is actually running a camp the way it's supposed to be run as opposed to the way they've been run in the past years.

If there was a Super Bowl size media contingent at the Vikings camps (though God knows why there would be), you should hope that ex-Gibbs tight end, Mike Tice would do the same thing. Maybe then they wouldn't lose to the four teams with the worst records in the league.

...and Joseph White is only marginally better than Pastabelly.

[ June 03, 2004, 05:17 PM: Message edited by: PCC ]

Is Gibsy trying to put in his top secret 1991 playbook? Thinking that everyone has forgot how to do it?

Or is he scared PCC making another mess on the window?

Actually I think Gibbs plans to base his plays off this new game called TecmoBowl. He doesn't quite realize the evolution of football into Madden NFL.

Are they going to use leather helmets this year too, just for OLD times sake?

You know in PCC's dreams, gibbs often wears leather....

I'm just praying that PCC isn't dumb enough to be like Eagles fans and start a

G!
I!
B!
B!
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cheer!! Although with this we eliminate the Lesbos(sorry GJ) and add Bs for boys!!

We can't exclude GJ. The cheer will be:

G-I-B-B-S(appho)