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Now they are going after ahhhh-nold. Carry on ladies and dont bitch this time when people tell you to shut up.

These poor little pork chop eaters need to just sing and shut up.

Just like Arnold needs to drop out and just act wink

Isn't he acting right now?

Arnold: Doing for Calf. what he did for Planet Hollywood.

So, PhillyFan, women having opinions about politics makes you want to tell them to sit down and shut up, eh? I guess you'll tell Brittany Spears the same thing since she wants to play like the herd and smile nicely about everything a non-elected president does and "just trust him". It's probably okay for Brittany to say supportive things about the current regime while those who voice dissent should have their music taken off the air and they should "sit down and shut up" -- translated as they have their freedom of speech taken away. If that's the case, well, then I think PhillyFan should sit down and chew on a pork chop or two so he can keeps his hands busy away from the keyboard.

[ September 10, 2003, 08:10 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

What i find funny is this...

Why do these little girls spout off... when they are out of the country, but never when they are in the country. Must be something in the water over there in Frenchie Europe...

Here is the point.. these little girls were just going crazy and crying that everyone would be sooo upset with them the last time the fat chic made a nasty comment. Hence, you should shut your little mouth before you make a dumb statement.... but once again... here we go...

bobby,

Dixie Chicks, Brittany--they're all a bunch of airheads. Does anyone really give a rat's patootie about what singers and other celebs say? I know I don't. Sure, they've all got a right to voice their opinions, even "don't-you-dare-photograph-my-beachfront-palace-or-I'll-sue-you" Babs. But I've also got a right to ignore them all.

MIB, that's good if you want to ignore them, but people should NOT be boycotted or black listed for the things they say. As for the Dixie Chicks saying things outside the country, hey, they owned up to it -- at least they never tried to claim it was "taken out of context" like Johnny Depp has done.
As for PhillyFan's comment about "Hence, you should shut your little mouth before you make a dumb statement....", I think Bushies and his demonic regime who like setting up fake evidence to go to war for greedy reasons should learn that lesson as well.

[ September 10, 2003, 09:45 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

Why? A boycott is just people choosing not to buy something or support someone based on their beliefs or principles. I assume you believe that if a singer said he or she didn't like gays or didn't agree with "the gay lifestyle" you would not support a boycott of that singer? Wow.

[quote]William1865:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobby78751:
[qb]I assume you believe that if a singer said he or she didn't like gays or didn't agree with \"the gay lifestyle\" you would not support a boycott of that singer? Wow. [/quote]I have a VERY strong belief in freedom of speech and if I take away someone's right to say what they want to say, what's to stop someone else from doing the same thing to me in the future? Live as an example and change the way people think...sometimes, subtlety is best action.

[quote]bobby78751:
[quote]William1865:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobby78751:
[qb]I assume you believe that if a singer said he or she didn't like gays or didn't agree with \"the gay lifestyle\" you would not support a boycott of that singer? Wow. [/quote]I have a VERY strong belief in freedom of speech and if I take away someone's right to say what they want to say, what's to stop someone else from doing the same thing to me in the future? Live as an example and change the way people think...sometimes, subtlety is best action. [/quote]But just because you don't buy somebody's album doesn't mean you're taking away their freedom of speech. And you as an individual really don't have the power to take away someone's right to whatever.

[quote]William1865:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bobby78751:
[qb] [QUOTE]Originally posted by William1865:
[qb] [QUOTE}But just because you don't buy somebody's album doesn't mean you're taking away their freedom of speech. And you as an individual really don't have the power to take away someone's right to whatever. [/quote]When radio corproations across the country pressured their local stations to stop playing Dixie Chicks songs simply because of a harmless comment they made, that was wrong. Not every listener of those stations was against the Dixie Chicks yet their music was not being played (they have still sold millions of copies of their latest cd, though). As for your comment about how I as an individual do not have the power to take away anyone's rights--that's true to a point, but it takes a group of individuals (or right-wing corporations) of the like mind to create destruction.

Very funny, whenever some lib runs off at the mouth, it's squashing free speech... when a conservative does it... they are either a nazi or a racist... very nice.

[quote]bobby78751:
[QUOTE]Not every listener of those stations was against the Dixie Chicks yet their music was not being played (they have still sold millions of copies of their latest cd, though). [/quote]So you admit the Dixie Chicks suffered very little actual harm from any of this. I would say they probably even gained from the publicity. They got an Entertainment Weekly cover out of it.

Please don't say things like this without evidence, offer up some examples, please...

[quote]William1865:
[quote]bobby78751:
[QUOTE]Not every listener of those stations was against the Dixie Chicks yet their music was not being played (they have still sold millions of copies of their latest cd, though). [/quote]So you admit the Dixie Chicks suffered very little actual harm from any of this. I would say they probably even gained from the publicity. They got an Entertainment Weekly cover out of it. [/quote]I think you are focusing on an individual thing rather than seeing the big picture of what can possibly happen when zealot groups line up against someone. My gosh, even super-tough Madonna caved in and changed her anti-war video after the backlash of the Dixie Chicks. The conservative, right-wing underbelly of American society can scare anyone.

Oh bobby, PF has been using that lame argument for a long time. He thinks it's okay to tell the Dixie Chicks to shut up, but it's not okay for someone to tell him to shut up shuttin' up the Dixie Chicks. (got that?)

I'm with W1865 on the boycott issue. Thanks in part to boycotts of advertisers, Dr. Laura's TV show is no longer on. Also, thanks to the threat of boycotts, she has - for all practical matters - avoided the whole topic of homosexuality, and has started fading into the woodwork. But really, it's just the free market at work. We're free to buy things, or to not buy them. And we're free to try to pursuade others to buy things, or not to buy them. It's not suppression of free speech; it's the American way.

No, you are confusing this arguement with my doma arguement....

Look at jesse jackson, the minute he sees something he doesnt like, the white guy is a racist. Well till they give him money.

Can you please offer specific evidence of your arguments instead of vague generalities? Who did Jesse Jackson call a racist until he got money from him? Either you have the proof to back up these "accusations" or you're blowing smoke out of your ass.

[ September 10, 2003, 01:45 PM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]

I just wanted an excuse to say "shut up shuttin' up".

But really, you do use that one as much as the DOMA argument, eh?

[ September 10, 2003, 01:47 PM: Message edited by: maxallen ]

Well this one is, in fact correct.

Just watch next time. Anytime anyone says anything out of the pro-homo agenda... they are a homophobe... right or wrong. Someone is offended by something racial.. they are a racist.

Sometimes it happens to be true, it is quite often not true.

Hence, when the fat girl, or whoever on this group speaks out... which most people dont agree with,.. all of a sudden.. you are repressing their rights to free speech.

This is what i find funny. These little hookers were sooo upset that they had a backlash against them (most country fans are conservative)... so they back stepped.. Cried bloody murder. Now what do you do? make another dumb comment. Not smart in my book, pretty dumb.

I also laugh cause they ONLY do it when they are out of the country, never in it. Why is that?

In summary, you have some spinless skanky chics who speak out when they are out of the country. Saying something about arnie. Spineless. i dont care if you like the terminator or not.. he decided to run of office, which leaves him open to all these personal attacks. He's trying to help fix a mess. Which takes alot more guts than some little hooker over in europe touring.

[ September 10, 2003, 02:05 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Taking some references toward women from PhillyFan's above message (once again, without any proof to back up his earlier accusations)...
You can say what you want, but, dude, look at what you said. I think you need some serious therapy to deal with your views of women, PF.

Why are you repressing my right to free speech?

What the hell did I say? "YOU CAN SAY WHAT YOU WANT"!!!! Therapy only changes the way you think about things.

ummmm, anyone wanna explain the whole pork chop-n-gravy... and potato salad thing to bobby boy...

I used to have a very nice dixi chix thread going... believe, calling um hookers is nice this time around

[ September 10, 2003, 02:14 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I just want you to back up the things you have said on here with proof...it will give you some credibility.

2 words, jesse jackson and ANYTHING he does... case closed.

Trent lott is a racist, but yet the senior memeber of the dems in senate actually belonged to the KKK.

I think dr laura got an unfair shake as being a homophobe.

By the way, speaking of Arnold running for guv, the day he announced his bid to run for office, George W. Bush was asked about it and he said, "I think he'll do a great job." It's amazing -- Bushie said this without knowing one single thing about what Arnold will do for California, amazingly, it's three weeks later and most Californians still don't have a clue about his plans. What a moron. Now that I think about it, Arnie and PhillyFan are similar--they both make big statements but don't offer any credible proof.

Wow...you convinced me.

Could it really be any worse than GrayOUT Davis has done?

Now come on there are a few things we all know...

Jesse doesnt do anything that is not...

Financially motivated... or racially motivated.

this man has screamed racism so much that no one listens to him anymore. His shotty record keeping has shown how he sqanders money for his own good...

Regarding Mr Jackson, I think you could look at the situation with Toyota, and draw what you want from it.
I for one have called people on the right nazis, sometimes in jest. In fact I think I called Phillyfan a brown shirt once
I still stand by some of the history repeats itself remarks I have made.
Dr. Laura is a nazi
Of course when us liberals says something it is correct! and when the right says something it is mean spirted, wrong and hateful...

Unless they're someone like Dr. Laura (or other conservative), whom the homosexual activists rode off the air because they didn't like her.

Was she a caustic bitch? Yes. But did her antigay beliefs warrant a massive boycott, threats to her shows advertisers and producers? No.

BTW, bobby, I never said a word about boycott. I just intended to state that just because these celebs--left AND right--run around espousing their "wisdom" doesn't mean we have to pay one bit of attention to them. I know I don't.

MIB are you defending Dr Laura?

I am simply amazed that ANYONE could take offense to what anyone else says about a political candidate. eek! I thought that it was folks on the right who are always decrying the "evils" of PC. :confused:Now I hear that idiot Scarborough condemn the Chix for attacking Ahnuld-in almost the same breath he uses to continually belittle the 9 Dem pres contenders.

I just don't get it. :confused:It was a "crime" for Natalie to disparage Dubyah cause he was the Prez and we must show respect for the office,if not the man.Now it's a crime to disparage Arnold, and he's not even the President of the SAG. He's an actor-uh entertainer (I guess some people find him entertaining)-let's compromise-he's a guy that has appeared in some movies-there that sounds right. :cool: Lots of folks on the right had no problem criticizing real actors like Sarandon and Robbins,but it's a problem when people criticize a hack (my word) like Arnold?? eek! Talk about the ultimate double standard... wink

Hey man, the little girls can say what they wish, and the rest of us can scold them. I mean 90% of these hollywood libs are really smart people. I'm sure most of them dropped out of college looking for the dream of easy money in CA acting with their pretty faces, and not much between the ears. Why wouldn't i listen to some bimbos who are clearly less educated that most around here?

They have what most of us dont, cameras following them around, and a set stage to spew their... idiocy.

Say what you wish about the terminator, fact is, he's trying to do something while skank ho sits in europe spouting off about... nuttun.

Damn, fellas, just because country music has learned what Hollywood knew a long time ago, that even bad publicity is good.....

To further synopsize,

Freedom - you can say what you want, you can buy what you want.....

Dr Laura's mother died alone - this lost the doctor more followers than all the gay-hating she could muster.

I'm a believer that when people decide to get into poitics, e.g., Arnold S., they should start as a dog catcher or the school board or some other mail-room level job. Or else let PeeWee players in the NFL.

That's all for now,

Thanks for reading.

Absolutely not. I just felt it was ridiculous for people to run her out of town as if she was evil incarnate. She wasn't. She was just a boring, caustic hag whose TV show had little, if any, interest from the public.

Everyone's got a right to be stupid, even her.

Oh no -- we need to add The Boss to list of un-Americans. Springsteen last night at his DC concert called for Bush to be impeached and tried leading the crowd in chanting "Impeach, Impeach!"

And he said he welcomes fans of all political persuasions, except Dick Cheney -- "I'm not sure about him"

COMMIE! FASCIST! WHIG! All of the above. wink

Who does he think he is -- a Dixie Chick?

I can't stand Springsteen, but I have gained a little respect for him this morning.

I LOVE Bruce AND the Dixie Chicks.....

Just because you disagree with the Bush administration DOES NOT make you any less American or patriotic. THAT is what those that lean to the right have to get over.

I served in the military and love this country. The ironic thing is many of my friends on the "right" are quick to call me unamerican, yet they have never put a military uniform on or gave anything to this country - other than their misguided opinion. While I was serving this country their daddy was paying for their college education.

[ September 17, 2003, 12:04 PM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

I think it's common knowledge that Bruce Springsteen is a leftist. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

You guys need to get over your little paranoid fantasies, I know it might boost your egos to think that the eee-ville Republicans are after you, think you're un-American, blah-blah-blah, but I think a little less self-importance might be in order.

Um William1865 not all republicans are evil, its just the loudest are...

Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.

I couldn't care less about what celebs might have to say about this Administration's inadequacies. They are no better informed than the rest of us.

What I find most amusing is how quickly the right wing posters on this board quickly attack the celebs for expressing anti-Administration comments.

True, most celebs' comments rarely come across as reasoned or well-informed. And it's easy to poke fun at their shrill and self-serving opinions.

But this is hardly consolation for an Administration that seems out of touch, confused and downright arrogant.

I would hope that those posters that sit on the right side of the aisle would come forth with a positive, well-intentioned argument in favor of another Bush/Cheney nomination ... and not resort to name-calling and other sophomoric arguments.

Sorry 6iron, they have to slam the people, because they can not offer a reasoned response...

Bruce opened his Shea Stadium series last night, and wasn't shy about making political points. This is from the NY Daily News review:

"The nearly three-hour open-air performance started at 8:30 p.m. with a recording of President Bush talking about the war on Iraq. Springsteen then took to the stage set up in center field and began the night with 'Souls of the Departed" to deafening applause.'

"Springsteen encouraged fans to sing along to 'Waitin' on a Sunny Day,' and got a little political, saying, 'A little louder if you want to impeach the President.'"

He also included the CCR protest song "Who'll Stop the Rain."