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fantomas
More shades of Vietnam from the "catastrophic success" in Iraq:

Washington Times/UPI: Iraq War vets turning up at homeless shelters
bobby78751
The right wingnuts: "Nothing to see here, move right along." Meanwhile, Haliburton has made $10 Billion in Iraq.

[ December 10, 2004, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: bobby78751 ]
hockeyTom
What an awful story. I feel for these Vets, and for any other Vets., who don't know where to turn.
gmginsfo
Two distinct issues, both of which merit investigation, and prosecution if any wrongdoing is uncovered. There's no excuse for giving Vets of ANY conflict who've served honorably the bum's rush or failing to provide for them afterwards.

FT, glad to see your quoting the WTimes! But I'd have liked to see UPI's reporter verify the figures from the NCHV. Its spokeswoman's words sound just a tad too shrill to be facially credible to this necessity-born cynic.

[ December 10, 2004, 10:53 AM: Message edited by: gmginsfo ]
CPT_Doom
Well, this is matched by another SNAFU that just makes the military look horrible:

He lost an arm in Iraq; the Army wants money

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Middletown – He lost his arm serving his country in Iraq.
  Now this wounded soldier is being discharged from his company in Fort Hood, Texas, without enough gas money to get home. In fact, the Army says 27-year-old Spc. Robert Loria owes it close to $2,000, and confiscated his last paycheck.
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AFTER SEVERAL MORE MONTHS, the Army is releasing Loria. But \"clearing Fort Hood,\" as the troops say, takes paperwork. Lots of it.
  Loria thought he'd done it all, and was getting ready to collect $4,486 in final Army pay.
  Then he was hit with another bomb. The Army had another tally – of money it says Loria owed to his government.
  A Separation Pay Worksheet given to Loria showed the numbers: $2,408.33 for 10 months of family separation pay that the Army erroneously paid Loria after he'd returned stateside, as a patient at Walter Reed; $2,204.25 that Loria received for travel expenses from Fort Hood back to Walter Reed for a follow-up visit, after the travel paperwork submitted by Loria never reached the correct desk. And $310 for missing items on his returned equipment inventory list.
  \"There was stuff lost in transportation, others damaged in the accident,\" Loria said of the day he lost his hand. \"When it went up the chain of command, the military denied coverage.\"
  Including taxes, the amount Loria owed totaled $6,255.50. The last line on the worksheet subtracted that total from his final Army payout and found $1,768.81 \"due us.\"
  \"It's nerve-racking,\" Loria said. \"After everything I have done, it's almost like I am being abandoned, like, you did your job for us and now you are no use. That's how it feels.\"
recordonline.com coverage

When I first read this I was livid - once you lose a limb in the military, I really believe all monetary debts should be considered paid in full - in fact I don't think we could give this guy ENOUGH money for what he, and other wounded vets, have gone through. It's bad enough he's being blamed for the military's screw up in overpaying him, but to charge him for equipment that may have been destroyed in the very attack in which he lost his arm?!

As it turns out, like a lot of stories in this genre, the media attention worked, for this soldier at least.

Army takes action on soldier

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Middletown – Outrage over Army Spc. Robert Loria's struggle to get home after losing his arm in service for his country prompted the Army today to take action.
  Responding to pressure from Rep. Maurice Hinchey, D-Saugerties, and U.S. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-NY, the Army said it would release Loria on medical discharge beginning immediately, both men said.
  The Army has also agreed to waive most of the debt against Loria and to help him file proper paperwork for the rest of it.
  Aides to Hinchey and Schumer said the Army was going to forgive the $2,408 in excess Family Separation allowance the military erroneously paid Loria as well as a $310 charge for equipment issued to Loria that was damaged or lost in the attack in Iraq. And the Army was also going to help Loria refile his travel papers to make sure he does not get saddled with paying back advance travel money used to travel from the base at Fort Hood, Texas, to a follow-up visit to Walter Reed Medical Center in Washington, D.C.
Follow-up coverage

This is great for this guy, but how many vets are caught up in this kind of beauracratic nightmare? And how many of them can count on their Rep or Senator to go to bat for them?

And then reading the problems some of the homeless vets in the original story have faced, it seems clear that when the administration failed to account for the possibility we might not be accepted with open arms in Iraq, they likely also didn't think to beef up the VA - and ironically, with the improvements in battlefield technology that are leaving far more wounded and fewer dead than in previous wars, the VA is going to be hit proportionally harder for this war.

Isn't this kind of thing more important than privatizing Social Security?
RazorbackTX
Billions for Halliburton...
Homeless vets... oh well boys, better pull yourselves up from your bootstraps.
ITJock
I am not suprised, I gotta tell you that the VA is prtty much worthless IMHO. I, and many other Vets, have found the paperwork and beauracracy to be stifling; and the services provided meagre.

Even the once great system of VA hospitals has been gutted.

My Company gives preferential hiring priority to Vets; and yet we won't even talk to the VA anymore because of the incredible hassles, and the way it seems to go out of its way to hamper recruitment efforts among Veterans.

On a related side note: Please read my post 'US Chaplain requests assistance' under 'Non Sports Related Topics' - It is important.

Thank You

Rob

[ December 10, 2004, 01:50 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
gmginsfo
Thanks for that post from the employers' side, Rob. Too bad you're presently beyond the subpena power of Congress. I'd love to hear you testify about how incompetent the VA is and shake those bumps loose off that log! Would you consider writing the heads of the respective VA Committees once Congress gets back in session and tell your side of the story? I think it would be a big help!
ITJock
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gmginsfo:
Thanks for that post from the employers' side, Rob.  Too bad you're presently beyond the subpena power of Congress.  I'd love to hear you testify about how incompetent the VA is and shake those bumps loose off that log!  Would you consider writing the heads of the respective VA Committees once Congress gets back in session and tell your side of the story?  I think it would be a big help!
In the past I have written to my Rep, both my Senators, and to Arlen Specter (Who I have a great deal of respect for in these issues).

But I prefer to conserve my very limited political capital until there is actually a particular topic under discussion or review. I think that if I write once or twice a year, or fly down to Sodom on the Potomac once a year, then I might actually get a nod of attention. People who write all the time get put on lists - as in ignore him/her they write constantly about everything.

If I go once a year or so with a half dozen others and offer to buy the SOB's lunch, then occasionally we might actually get listened to during their devastation of the crustacean population.

Usually I prefer to concentrate on technology issues and the 'outsourcing' of technology, more importantly - foreign ownership of US created technologies (IBM's recent plans to sell its PC and chip bus. to China for example; which will devestate Burlington and Essex)

Would you suggest anyone else that you think might be appropriate? Or a hearing on a particular topic? Feel free to email me.

Rob

[ December 10, 2004, 03:18 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
bobby78751
This from ABC.com:

Wednesday, Dec. 15 through Friday, Dec. 17: "Nightline" investigates the psychological toll of war in a three-part series: "Coming Home: The Invisible Casualties of War."
dfwAggie99
Even though in a joking manner, W has called the rich "haves" his base, so I guess it's unreasonable to expect him to care about the "have nots" who are veterans that return from active duty and find themselves on hard times...he's gotta keep the pockets of those "haves" consistently filled.

$200 billion and counting in Iraq...we've spent billions to help free a people; yet, we can't take care of the ones back home who help freed them, not to mention those from Vietnam over 30 years ago.

Good ol' W and the Republicans..."compassionate conservative" at his best.
Ms. de Blazer
Homeless vets... oh well boys, better pull yourselves up from your bootstraps.

Provided, of course, they still have boots and feet to put them on.
Support our troops. Sounds good on a bumper sticker, doesn't it? Those who oppose this war are constantly accused of not "supporting our troops". Talk is cheap.
azairforce
Great post Ms!! Its a very sad situation but it happens a lot. Sad to say I think a lot of the vets coming back from this war will be in the same condition. I think its sad that society still looks at homeless people as the drudge of the earth without looking at the situation that got them there to begin with.
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