Twice declined by Davis before, he's now fighting for his political life and must be as expedient as possible by okaying this. So, Gov. Davis decides to appease Hispanic voters by approving a bill that will give illegal aliens driver's licenses.

Huh?

We already have enough troubles with legal drivers and their problems. Now we're going to compound this by granting illegals--noncitizens--driver's licenses? Come on!

Wait just a minute...California has the "motor voter" law, where one can get a new or renewed driver's license, then be registered to vote. All one has to do when going through this is answer "yes" to the question "are you a U.S. citizen?" Of course, these illegals will all be honest and say, "no," right? Uh huh.

Besides sucking up to Hispanic voters, this bill also seems to get more Democratic voters registered--even if they ARE illegal aliens. Are the Daleys behind this?

And people say the Republicans cheat at elections. Uh huh.

[ September 06, 2003, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]

.....another mib straw man......another mib crisis in his own mind......another mib hypothetical we're supposed to get all worked up about......another mib post with no there there....more mib hypocrisy -- where was the outrage when the florida voting rolls were "scrubbed"?

ho-hum.

I love being provocative, thersis. Too bad your type and those of the hypocritical right and left think nothing of Davis' blatantly expedient and disgusting actions.

MIB, drivers licenses are routinely issued to non-citizens in every state. I would assume that in order to be registered to vote, you would still need to provide PROOF of citizenship, just as you do to get into the country.

That's what I thought, JC, but a CNN interview I saw today explained that (a) verifiable proof is not needed [an applicant's affirmative answer is sufficient], and ( even if proof was needed, an illegal would be most likely to provide false proof.

I know this sounds cruel, but why must illegal aliens be granted so many privileges that legal citizens get? I am not in favor of rounding them all up and tossing them out, per se; instead, I believe we need to strengthen the laws to crack down on illegals while providing ways for present illegals to gain legal status.

MIB, I think the bill has changed since the first two times it was offered.
Also, now the people have to pass a test and have proof of insurance, something they did not do before but still drove anyway, driving up the rates for the rest of us.
I assume you do not live here and that is why you only know the headlines of the story

p2, regardless of what else in the bill, giving illegal aliens the privilege--driving is not a right by any means--to drive is not good. There's been talk of doing it here in Illinois, and I'd oppose it here.

Proof of insurance? Yeah, that'd work. Fake ID's, fake insurance cards, fake...it never ends.

MIB,
here in San Deigo some 25% of drivers are illegal aliens. since they have no lic, they have no insurance. I pay $500/yr to cover my truck from uninsured motorist. Yes you have to add that to your insurance to be covered if you are hit by someone uninsured.

I support this move only if it actually results in illegal aliens accepting the responsibility of insurance as well, which will be a harder thing to enforce. Assuming a higher percentage of these new licensees actually get insurance, then it would result in lower hit-and-run situations. Why? Calif law enforcement groups are not charged with deporting illegals - their hands are tied, as that function falls to federal agencies.

Our insurance premiums here are inflated to make up for all the hit-and-run cases, placing the burden on those of us that abide by the law. If the INS can't do its job in keeping them out, the state has no choice but to control the damage being done.

Having a driver's license does not equate to citizenship. No doubt the applicants will provide false information (I see scenarios where they will list their address as that of a symapthetic friend with citizenship, who merely receives the license in the mail on their behalf).

But again, the issue will rest on whether the car insurance factor is addressed. And thats a very BIG if.

[ September 07, 2003, 05:53 PM: Message edited by: AU Tiger in LA ]

Ti creo, MIB. This bill has been bad news from day one and Davis knows it. It is the worst single pandering to a minority group to get votes I've ever seen in my lifetime. And that includes the "walking around money" regularly distributed among Black voters by Eastern Democrats.

This bill's effects go beyond highway robbery. Consider that in order to buy a gun in CA all you need to show is a driver's license and most reasonable minds not addled by devotion to the Democratic Agenda - now there's a REALLY queer one for you! - will see the enhanced potential for violent crime at once.

Ultimately, though, Davis's deception will fail. By playing to what he perceives as Latino sympathies - forget about any factual or logical arguments to support this bill - he's grossly underestimating Latinos' intelligence and capacity for distinguishing right from wrong. Just as with Prop 187, the anti-ILLEGAL immigrant measure, there will be Latinos who see through this and vote to recall Gray. Whether they will vote for fellow Latino Cruz Bustamante remains to be seen, but even here I believe a lot of Latinos will look beyond Democratic Rassenpolitik and vote for the candidates they simply consider best qualified to lead California out of the mess that the Dems have put it in.

Um, hello? How selective is your memory? Ed Rollins, a GOP CONSULTANT, admitted that the Christie Todd Whitman campaign paid "walking around money" to Democratic precinct chiefs to suppress black voting in New Jersey. A Republican campaign worker working for a Republican gubernatorial candidate. Distasteful as it might be, these were people from *your* side of the political spectrum (and Whitman was a moderate GOPer, no less).

Of course, Rollins' comments may have been overblown anyway--though they do seem to have stuck with you and somehow flipped Möbius-strip-like into an anti-Democratic tag--but William Safire and others have admitted that in fact GOPers did the same thing for Nixon, to name one Repub known for these tactics.

You can criticize Davis without totally rewriting history.

Columbia Journalism Review: Cynicism Indeed

FT, fair enough, BOTH sides' engaging in the process makes it doubly despicable.

Your mention of Nixon reminds me of how Richard J. Daley manipulated the 1960 election against him with all those late ballots from Cook Cty., but, as a child then, I thought and spake like a child and therefore supported Kennedy. Now I've put away my childish things. wink

BTW, what was that you chided me on about changing the subject??? :confused: