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Analysts warn to buy gas today or pay an extra 25 cents/gallon in the coming days. It's times like this that I realize that it really is better not to have a car.
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This is indeed horrible news. Thank God, I don't own an SUV! I will stick with my older Corolla anyday thank you. Instead of hopskotching around the country trying to peddle a dead S.S. issue, maybe Shrub needs to contact his bed buddies in Saudi Arabia, and say "what up"???? :mad:
When he ran for prez in 2000, he said at any point when there was a gas problem, he would be on the phone to OPEC in no time to discuss the problem. And, we all know this is a man of his word. Yeah, right. Where is Bendar Bush when we need him?
25 cents a gallon?? Here in TN, that would put gas at about $2.11 per gallon. Good lord. Indeed, what does the Prez intend to do about this? This is going to have a huge ripple effect--especially for those who are barely breaking even each month and rely on cars to get to work.
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25 cents a gallon?? Here in TN, that would put gas at about $2.11 per gallon. Good lord. Indeed, what does the Prez intend to do about this?
What, you expect him to do something...much less to care? You really are asking too much of him. Remember, it's hard being a war president, he's way too busy to care about people who don't contribute to his campaign.
25 cents a gallon?? Here in TN, that would put gas at about $2.11 per gallon. Good lord. Indeed, what does the Prez intend to do about this?
I love when you people try to think about economics. It's quite funny.
If you read some of the stories, part of the problem is traders are driving up prices.
Once you get the oil here, it sill has to be refined, and any problem along (supply) the way will cause a spike in price.
Summer driving is about to start.
The dollar is not strong right now either, causing more money to purchase imports.
Not to mention countries such as china are seeing much higher demand for oil, which will drive up prices for everyone, everywhere.
All of these things a politician has zero control over. Even your hero billy bob.
The basic short term fix is to release some of the oil reserves we have, however, that merely puts the problem off for a very short term fix.
You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college. They offer classes such as Economics 101 which will allow you to look at the entire system, and somewhat understand how that system works. These classes are typically affordable and are offered during the day and night.
If you read some of the stories, part of the problem is traders are driving up prices.
Once you get the oil here, it sill has to be refined, and any problem along (supply) the way will cause a spike in price.
Summer driving is about to start.
The dollar is not strong right now either, causing more money to purchase imports.
Not to mention countries such as china are seeing much higher demand for oil, which will drive up prices for everyone, everywhere.
All of these things a politician has zero control over. Even your hero billy bob.
The basic short term fix is to release some of the oil reserves we have, however, that merely puts the problem off for a very short term fix.
You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college. They offer classes such as Economics 101 which will allow you to look at the entire system, and somewhat understand how that system works. These classes are typically affordable and are offered during the day and night.
It might be a good thing! If anything were to push the United States into an interest in higher-efficiency transportation, it would be good not only for the environment, but by reducing dependency on foreign oil, would make us less dependent on regimes such as Saudi Arabia.
Increased imports of oil (summer driving is just around the corner) force our trade balance more and more into the negative. At the moment, we should be in some fear of what happens when foreign countries start to pull the plug on our enormous foreign debt. Reducing oil consumption would go a long way to reducing this weak point.
Higher oil prices would also force us to take a good look at improving public transport, which eventually might even improve traffic situations and start a trend to limit urban sprawl.
Americans need to be weened away from the notion that unlimited cheap fuel is somehow an entitlement and a necessary way of life.
I speak as someone who drives a LOT (I'm in the ski business). My next car is going to be a hybrid.
Increased imports of oil (summer driving is just around the corner) force our trade balance more and more into the negative. At the moment, we should be in some fear of what happens when foreign countries start to pull the plug on our enormous foreign debt. Reducing oil consumption would go a long way to reducing this weak point.
Higher oil prices would also force us to take a good look at improving public transport, which eventually might even improve traffic situations and start a trend to limit urban sprawl.
Americans need to be weened away from the notion that unlimited cheap fuel is somehow an entitlement and a necessary way of life.
I speak as someone who drives a LOT (I'm in the ski business). My next car is going to be a hybrid.
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You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college.
I'd suggest you sign up for the military since you are all for the war and killing foreign people and matters of that nature. You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college.
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Dont hold your breath on that one Bobby, that's about as likely as gas going down to .50 cents a gallon.
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PhillyFan:
You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college.
I'd suggest you sign up for the military since you are all for the war and killing foreign people and matters of that nature. You see boobster, much more complicated than picking up a telephone. However, i'd encourage you to pick up your telephone and contact your local community college.
About a year and a half ago, I started riding my bike to work, partially to save money on gas and partially for exercise. Side note: this only works part of the year, because we all know that winter biking can be hazardous. Although late winter biking is OK.
Anyway, I took it upon myself to use less gas in response to higher prices. If others would do similar things (as Nat alluded to) perhaps we'd all be better off. Would anyone care to share what they're doing about this, other than complaining on a discussion board?
Anyway, I took it upon myself to use less gas in response to higher prices. If others would do similar things (as Nat alluded to) perhaps we'd all be better off. Would anyone care to share what they're doing about this, other than complaining on a discussion board?
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About a year and a half ago, I started riding my bike to work, partially to save money on gas and partially for exercise. Side note: this only works part of the year, because we all know that winter biking can be hazardous. Although late winter biking is OK.
Anyway, I took it upon myself to use less gas in response to higher prices. If others would do similar things (as Nat alluded to) perhaps we'd all be better off. Would anyone care to share what they're doing about this, other than complaining on a discussion board?
I ride a city bus or walk everywhere I go. About a year and a half ago, I started riding my bike to work, partially to save money on gas and partially for exercise. Side note: this only works part of the year, because we all know that winter biking can be hazardous. Although late winter biking is OK.
Anyway, I took it upon myself to use less gas in response to higher prices. If others would do similar things (as Nat alluded to) perhaps we'd all be better off. Would anyone care to share what they're doing about this, other than complaining on a discussion board?
Living in the middle of the city makes everything very convenient. In a couple of years, we will have trains to make travel even easier for a lot of people not living in the certal part of town.
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All of these things a politician has zero control over. Even your hero billy bob.
This is a dangerous fallacy that economists love to repeat. If it were true corporations would not spend so much money buying politicians with gifts. No executive makes such an investment without expecting a profitable return. Fortunately for the not-so-well-heeled, many of these investors make poor decisions. BTW: nice face-pic bobby78751. Gotta see Austin.
Companies choose to support candidates based upon the legislation they will either support or not support. That could be taxation, grants, new laws that will hamper how a business is run.
No way does this set prices of say, gasoline. Oil companies would choose to support cadidate X who does not want additional gas taxes over cadidate Y who wants to tax the hell out of them.
The timber industry would choose to support a candidate who does not hamper their operations.
About the only valid arguement i see is that we have a weak dollar right now (budget deficit). You see these companies buy the barrels of oil then bring them here and refine them. The price is set that they buy at.. hence, the price is passed onto the consumer. Much like raising their taxes, the price is passed to the consumer.
Politicians can set an enviornment where it is easier to do business, but making sure company X has huge profits... well... bubkus.
If you had paid any attention during the previous gas hikes, you would see that the analysts (people paid to study these things) have been saying that due to increased world demand... our days of buck a gallon gas are over.
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No way does this set prices of say, gasoline. Oil companies would choose to support cadidate X who does not want additional gas taxes over cadidate Y who wants to tax the hell out of them.
The timber industry would choose to support a candidate who does not hamper their operations.
About the only valid arguement i see is that we have a weak dollar right now (budget deficit). You see these companies buy the barrels of oil then bring them here and refine them. The price is set that they buy at.. hence, the price is passed onto the consumer. Much like raising their taxes, the price is passed to the consumer.
Politicians can set an enviornment where it is easier to do business, but making sure company X has huge profits... well... bubkus.
If you had paid any attention during the previous gas hikes, you would see that the analysts (people paid to study these things) have been saying that due to increased world demand... our days of buck a gallon gas are over.
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Luckily Kroger has a gas station within range, so I can get between 3-10 cents off a gallon there (if you buy $100 in groceries they give 10 cents off). Doesnt sound like much but it helps when gas is pricey and you own an suv. I dont have a commute but I do have to run around town, and run my bf back and forth to his job sometimes.
Yesterday gas already went up here, was close to 1.90.
Yesterday gas already went up here, was close to 1.90.
Thats relatively cheap Dallas. All I heard on the national news again tonight was the same story all over the net FRiday. Gas could jump 20 cents a gallon by next FRiday. Get ready people. :mad:
Thank God I filled up on my way home this evening... $1.77 at Sam's Club (2 mi from home). It also helps that I drive an 11-year-old Hyundai with 230K on it. 37 mpg even with the A/C on in summer.
Its a 1.99 a gallon in Tucson : (
$2.19 in LA.
Between $2.10-$2.17 for regular in many parts of Chicago. Had Chicago's grossly incompetent CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) not decided to raise El and bus fares yet again (now up to $1.75) and cut service (on the Brown and other lines), public transportation would be the best bet for this vast and sprawling city.
I feel for people who live in parts of the country that have no real public transportation, especially now that W Unltd. wants to slash funding for public transportation projects.
I await the day, though, when we return to the smaller-car trend of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The SUVs just seem to be getting bigger and bigger, and their drivers, or far too many of them, seem to drive worse and worse.
I feel for people who live in parts of the country that have no real public transportation, especially now that W Unltd. wants to slash funding for public transportation projects.
I await the day, though, when we return to the smaller-car trend of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The SUVs just seem to be getting bigger and bigger, and their drivers, or far too many of them, seem to drive worse and worse.
Gas here is .85 per litre. That's almost $3.00 per gallon
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Gas here is .85 per litre. That's almost $3.00 per gallon
Thanks to your evil socialist empire Gas here is .85 per litre. That's almost $3.00 per gallon
Just kidding.
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I await the day, though, when we return to the smaller-car trend of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The SUVs just seem to be getting bigger and bigger, and their drivers, or far too many of them, seem to drive worse and worse.
I do not wade into political discussions per my own self-imposed rules, but I can't help but ask this question of you, fantomas, in response to your comment about going back to smaller cars: how can we possibly do this when so many Americans are just too damn fat? I await the day, though, when we return to the smaller-car trend of the late 1970s and early 1980s. The SUVs just seem to be getting bigger and bigger, and their drivers, or far too many of them, seem to drive worse and worse.
Okay, I'm going back into hibernation now. Regards...
When my employer offered me free parking in the garage, I jumped at the chance. It's cheaper to drive, it's faster and frankly, much as I appreciated the chance to read the paper in the morning while riding the subway, I was tired of being crushed by fat people on the train. Typically either in the AM or PM on any given day some behemoth would wedge themselves into the space next to me no matter how small. It was a frequent rather than occassional occurence. They should be required to stand or pay double fares.
When I was taking the subway, it cost $58 per month to park, $65 for a monthly subway pass, $13 to park in the garage once a week when I had to drive to work anyway.
While I did lose a $70 annual discount on my car insurance that I used to qualify for as a subway rider, and can no longer read the paper on the way to work, I pay nothing for parking. The additional cost comes in the form of gas and added wear and tear on the car.
Yesterday I filled the tank for $28. That's about $5 or $6 more than I'd have paid several months ago but the tank will last me the whole week. I'm glad I'm driving the Beetle and not a Hummer.
I've always felt that gas should be more expensive than it is. In many countries they inflate the price with additional taxes. That probably won't fly here so it's fortunate that the free market is taking care of it.
Regardless of the Summer driving season and occassional supply-driven spikes in the price, the long range trend will definitely be toward ever higher prices. Globally, demand is outstripping supply, so substantial increases are inevitable.
A hybrid vcehicle would definitely be the way to go if you're contemplating a purchase anytime soon. I just saw Honda's latest model on TV a couple of nights ago. Zero to sixty it outperforms many of Honda's conventional autos.
When I was taking the subway, it cost $58 per month to park, $65 for a monthly subway pass, $13 to park in the garage once a week when I had to drive to work anyway.
While I did lose a $70 annual discount on my car insurance that I used to qualify for as a subway rider, and can no longer read the paper on the way to work, I pay nothing for parking. The additional cost comes in the form of gas and added wear and tear on the car.
Yesterday I filled the tank for $28. That's about $5 or $6 more than I'd have paid several months ago but the tank will last me the whole week. I'm glad I'm driving the Beetle and not a Hummer.
I've always felt that gas should be more expensive than it is. In many countries they inflate the price with additional taxes. That probably won't fly here so it's fortunate that the free market is taking care of it.
Regardless of the Summer driving season and occassional supply-driven spikes in the price, the long range trend will definitely be toward ever higher prices. Globally, demand is outstripping supply, so substantial increases are inevitable.
A hybrid vcehicle would definitely be the way to go if you're contemplating a purchase anytime soon. I just saw Honda's latest model on TV a couple of nights ago. Zero to sixty it outperforms many of Honda's conventional autos.
Oil hits record high. OPEC is still waiting for the call from The White House.
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Proving my point for the soon-to-be-big-breasted (you said D-cup, right?) Little Filly. I think the leader of our country needs some economics classes.
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During your Presidential campaign in 2000 you said the following when asked about high energy prices and Presidential action: \"What I think the President ought to do is he ought to get on the phone with the OPEC cartel and say we expect you to open your spigots. The President of the United States must jawbone OPEC members to lower the (oil) price.\"
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Actually boober economic classes at your local community college might allow you to look at what is said during campaigns and determine (for yourself) what can be done, and what can't be done in these situations.
If I remember correctly there was a spike in prices during the campaign. Bubba opened the reserves for a "quick short term fix"
This was merely a short term political fix to the real underlying problem, and tried to help gore in the short term.
Saying to just make more wont work and opening reserves wont fix the problem.
Neither solution "fooled" any of us who understand the market and how prices are set in these matters.
See anytime i see a letter signed by all dems or all repubs, it's easy to see it is merely a political game, rather than offering a real solution. Remember the dems are the ones who dont want any oil exploration in Alaska, but yet demand low oil prices. Which is it? They are the lapdogs for the tree huggers. Plus americans dont want to see oil rigs off the coast line when sitting at the beach.
Just having OPEC produce "more", well that is going to take a while to make it to market and you will still have higher prices for a while.
Basically, it's always going to be a political game...
If I remember correctly there was a spike in prices during the campaign. Bubba opened the reserves for a "quick short term fix"
This was merely a short term political fix to the real underlying problem, and tried to help gore in the short term.
Saying to just make more wont work and opening reserves wont fix the problem.
Neither solution "fooled" any of us who understand the market and how prices are set in these matters.
See anytime i see a letter signed by all dems or all repubs, it's easy to see it is merely a political game, rather than offering a real solution. Remember the dems are the ones who dont want any oil exploration in Alaska, but yet demand low oil prices. Which is it? They are the lapdogs for the tree huggers. Plus americans dont want to see oil rigs off the coast line when sitting at the beach.
Just having OPEC produce "more", well that is going to take a while to make it to market and you will still have higher prices for a while.
Basically, it's always going to be a political game...
Umm....I just looked at my calendar, and it's 2005.
Yes, I think the president of the Entitled States of America should call up OPEC immediately and demand that they increase production and ship it all to us, because by God, we're entitled to cheap gas.
Right after that, he should call up all the airlines (especially Delta) and tell them to roll back their prices, and increase their snack choices because people are getting mad.
World demand for oil has increased just a smidgen since 2000. Ok, maybe more than just a smidgen. Do you really think that OPEC could increase production enough to satisfy our demand for cheap gas?
P.S. Have you checked the price of gas in Europe lately? Maybe then you'd stop complaining so much and realize that we actually have it pretty good.
God help me for agreeing with PF. wink
Yes, I think the president of the Entitled States of America should call up OPEC immediately and demand that they increase production and ship it all to us, because by God, we're entitled to cheap gas.
Right after that, he should call up all the airlines (especially Delta) and tell them to roll back their prices, and increase their snack choices because people are getting mad.World demand for oil has increased just a smidgen since 2000. Ok, maybe more than just a smidgen. Do you really think that OPEC could increase production enough to satisfy our demand for cheap gas?
P.S. Have you checked the price of gas in Europe lately? Maybe then you'd stop complaining so much and realize that we actually have it pretty good.
God help me for agreeing with PF. wink
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Weaselman:
Umm....I just looked at my calendar, and it's 2005.
Yes, I think the president of the Entitled States of America should call up OPEC immediately and demand that they increase production and ship it all to us, because by God, we're entitled to cheap gas. :rolleyes: Right after that, he should call up all the airlines (especially Delta) and tell them to roll back their prices, and increase their snack choices because people are getting mad.
World demand for oil has increased just a smidgen since 2000. Ok, maybe more than just a smidgen. Do you really think that OPEC could increase production enough to satisfy our demand for cheap gas?
P.S. Have you checked the price of gas in Europe lately? Maybe then you'd stop complaining so much and realize that we actually have it pretty good.
God help me for agreeing with PF. wink
The point of me bringing up the 2000 quote is that, once again, the Misleader says something he simply cannot do (in stronger words, he lied, again). I'm not complaining about higher gas prices...I don't even have a car. But I do know higher gas prices affect us all in the prices we pay for almost everything else.
Umm....I just looked at my calendar, and it's 2005.
Yes, I think the president of the Entitled States of America should call up OPEC immediately and demand that they increase production and ship it all to us, because by God, we're entitled to cheap gas. :rolleyes: Right after that, he should call up all the airlines (especially Delta) and tell them to roll back their prices, and increase their snack choices because people are getting mad.
World demand for oil has increased just a smidgen since 2000. Ok, maybe more than just a smidgen. Do you really think that OPEC could increase production enough to satisfy our demand for cheap gas?
P.S. Have you checked the price of gas in Europe lately? Maybe then you'd stop complaining so much and realize that we actually have it pretty good.
God help me for agreeing with PF. wink
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The point of me bringing up the 2000 quote is that, once again, the Misleader says something he simply cannot do (in stronger words, he lied, again). I'm not complaining about higher gas prices...I don't even have a car. But I do know higher gas prices affect us all in the prices we pay for almost everything else.
Well then, I guess we should all be held to whatever we've said in the past, whether circumstances change or not. The point of me bringing up the 2000 quote is that, once again, the Misleader says something he simply cannot do (in stronger words, he lied, again). I'm not complaining about higher gas prices...I don't even have a car. But I do know higher gas prices affect us all in the prices we pay for almost everything else.
What he said in 2000 may have been true back then, but I checked my calendar again it's still 2005. I think there have been some pretty drastic changes in the world since 2000, so to hold him to that quote and call him a liar for not sticking to it now (5 years later) smacks of someone just looking to argue and be divisive. I don't see the point of blaming him for the price of gas. Nor do I see the point in scrutinizing his every word and expecting him to never change anything, even when the world around us changes daily.
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Well then, I guess we should all be held to whatever we've said in the past, whether circumstances change or not.
What he said in 2000 may have been true back then, but I checked my calendar again it's still 2005. I think there have been some pretty drastic changes in the world since 2000, so to hold him to that quote and call him a liar for not sticking to it now (5 years later) smacks of someone just looking to argue and be divisive. I don't see the point of blaming him for the price of gas. Nor do I see the point in scrutinizing his every word and expecting him to never change anything, even when the world around us changes daily.
Then there was the issue of nation-building, not acting as the world police, and saying that when it comes to gay marriage, the federal government should not interfere on states' rights issues and...Well then, I guess we should all be held to whatever we've said in the past, whether circumstances change or not.
What he said in 2000 may have been true back then, but I checked my calendar again it's still 2005. I think there have been some pretty drastic changes in the world since 2000, so to hold him to that quote and call him a liar for not sticking to it now (5 years later) smacks of someone just looking to argue and be divisive. I don't see the point of blaming him for the price of gas. Nor do I see the point in scrutinizing his every word and expecting him to never change anything, even when the world around us changes daily.
oh, come on, admit it, you are a republican, aren't you?
Um Boobie,
Think what is being said to you.. is to try and understand the system. Then when a politician makes a promise to you.. you will know if it can be done or not.
Then next time you hear this, you can think for yourself and say this is false (back in 2000). Just like throwing some reserves into the mix is merely a short term fix for political gain.
That is not Republican/Democrat.
Think what is being said to you.. is to try and understand the system. Then when a politician makes a promise to you.. you will know if it can be done or not.
Then next time you hear this, you can think for yourself and say this is false (back in 2000). Just like throwing some reserves into the mix is merely a short term fix for political gain.
That is not Republican/Democrat.
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Then there was the issue of nation-building, not acting as the world police, and saying that when it comes to gay marriage, the federal government should not interfere on states' rights issues and...
oh, come on, admit it, you are a republican, aren't you?
Congrats on your effort to change the subject. And thanks for helping to prove my point that you're just trying to be divisive.Then there was the issue of nation-building, not acting as the world police, and saying that when it comes to gay marriage, the federal government should not interfere on states' rights issues and...
oh, come on, admit it, you are a republican, aren't you?
I'm neither Republican nor Democrat. I prefer to retain my independence and think for myself, rather than get sucked into disagreeing with the opposing party over everything. But that's a subject for another thread.
Hmmm...maybe these folks are onto something. If you look under peace pedaling, they have an interesting option to bicycle delivery. Now if only we could convince Fedex and UPS and USPS in this consumer driven economy
Viva la revolucion en la bicicleta con la mente de una persona que vive en una bicicleta.
Bad Spanish? Too much grid-free cold press Peace Coffee Cannot wait to get the photvoltaics so I can heat the water grid free too.
Viva la revolucion en la bicicleta con la mente de una persona que vive en una bicicleta.
Bad Spanish? Too much grid-free cold press Peace Coffee
Cannot wait to get the photvoltaics so I can heat the water grid free too.
Hey George - How's that "jawbone OPEC" thing working out?
Anybody else just a little upset this morning with the Pro-Anwar vote yesterday? Drilling will now be allowed in this wildlife refuge. Lets just suck it dry and move on, shall we? :mad: :mad:
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Anybody else just a little upset this morning with the Pro-Anwar vote yesterday? Drilling will now be allowed in this wildlife refuge. Lets just suck it dry and move on, shall we? :mad: :mad:
And, let's not forget that part of the ANWR deal says that The White House promises (oh, geez) that they will not drill off the coast of Florida until after 2012. Yes, in SEVEN years!!!!!
Anybody else just a little upset this morning with the Pro-Anwar vote yesterday? Drilling will now be allowed in this wildlife refuge. Lets just suck it dry and move on, shall we? :mad: :mad:
Don't want to piss off brother Jeb now do we?
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Anybody else just a little upset this morning with the Pro-Anwar vote yesterday? Drilling will now be allowed in this wildlife refuge. Lets just suck it dry and move on, shall we? :mad: :mad:
And, let's not forget that part of the ANWR deal says that The White House promises (oh, geez) that they will not drill off the coast of Florida until after 2012. Yes, in SEVEN years!!!!! Anybody else just a little upset this morning with the Pro-Anwar vote yesterday? Drilling will now be allowed in this wildlife refuge. Lets just suck it dry and move on, shall we? :mad: :mad:
THE PRICE OF OIL IS HIGH!
DON'T DRILL!
If ya'all are tree huggers, high gas prices should be fine.
If you're not, drill in AK, Drill off Florida.
Oh if you read the story about drilling in AK yesterday, you will notice that it takes years for the process to happen... ie once the exploration is done there.. move to FL.
However, as i stated before, relying on oil from the arabs is not OK according to you two. However drilling in America is NOT ok either... Can't have both, even screaming libs should be able to figure that one out... wait.. maybe they can't.
OK, I'll be the first one to raise my hand and shout that there is little, if anything, about the current President that I like. In fact, he makes me want to vomit. However, I can't blame him for the rise in fuel prices. Being a college-educated person, I realize that the economics of our world are slightly more complex than that. Blaming W for it is the easy (and uninformed) road to take...
I drive an Infiniti that I purchased last year, and I knew well in advance that it would require premium gas (it's $2.15+ here now). It hurts every time I pull up to the gas pump, but I knew it in advance. I can't complain...it's just one of those things I have to stomach for getting the car I wanted. As long as we Americans continue to purchase our bigger, gas-guzzling vehicles, then we CAN'T bitch and moan about increasing gas prices (when Europe, for example, pays much more). If you have the greenest vehicle out there and still can't afford fuel for it, then maybe you have the right to complain. Otherwise, people need to shut up and pay..or just stay at home. Maybe you can't take little Johnny to soccer practice this week in that Excursion of yours...
Remind me again why the rest of the world can't stand us?
I drive an Infiniti that I purchased last year, and I knew well in advance that it would require premium gas (it's $2.15+ here now). It hurts every time I pull up to the gas pump, but I knew it in advance. I can't complain...it's just one of those things I have to stomach for getting the car I wanted. As long as we Americans continue to purchase our bigger, gas-guzzling vehicles, then we CAN'T bitch and moan about increasing gas prices (when Europe, for example, pays much more). If you have the greenest vehicle out there and still can't afford fuel for it, then maybe you have the right to complain. Otherwise, people need to shut up and pay..or just stay at home. Maybe you can't take little Johnny to soccer practice this week in that Excursion of yours...
Remind me again why the rest of the world can't stand us?
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However, as i stated before, relying on oil from the arabs is not OK according to you two. However drilling in America is NOT ok either... Can't have both, even screaming libs should be able to figure that one out... wait.. maybe they can't.
BUT, even idiot America can surely find alternatives. The government could promote funding for fuel alternative cars but with President Gasman choking on power, he'll never promote any such idea.
However, as i stated before, relying on oil from the arabs is not OK according to you two. However drilling in America is NOT ok either... Can't have both, even screaming libs should be able to figure that one out... wait.. maybe they can't.
Well if America doesn't start moving beyond gas powered vehicles, we'll be left behind again....
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/autos/stor...=20050301GEN59D
First Hydrogen Car for Sale in 2012 - DaimlerChrysler
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler's first hydrogen-powered car using fuel cell technology will be on sale from 2012, a company executive said on Wednesday.
The firm has sent 60 Mercedes-Benz A-Class cars to Japan, Germany, Singapore and the United States for tests. Many car companies are developing hydrogen-powered cars to help wean the globe off diminishing oil supplies.
The Mercedes car uses fuel cell technology where electricity is generated through the chemical reaction between hydrogen and air, emitting only water vapor.
"It (commercialization) will start in 2012," Herbert Kohler, Vice President of the Body and Powertrain research unit at DaimlerChrysler told reporters in Brussels, on the margins of a hydrogen car technology exhibition.
But there are still technical obstacles to overcome such as extending fuel cells' reliability and durability; ensuring that they start at sub-freezing temperatures; reducing costs, and storing enough hydrogen in a small enough space to be workable.
The car industry is also waiting for the roll-out of hydrogen filling stations.
Shell Hydrogen Chief Executive Jeremy Bentham said once consumers demanded hydrogen filling stations, energy companies would meet it.
"We see that these vehicles have the potential to be attractive to consumers," he told reporters. "Our job is to make sure we are prepared for that business."
Hydrogen is already produced in refineries for industrial purposes and the energy industry needs to build the infrastructure to sell it to consumers, said Bentham.
http://channels.netscape.com/ns/autos/stor...=20050301GEN59D
First Hydrogen Car for Sale in 2012 - DaimlerChrysler
BRUSSELS (Reuters) - DaimlerChrysler's first hydrogen-powered car using fuel cell technology will be on sale from 2012, a company executive said on Wednesday.
The firm has sent 60 Mercedes-Benz A-Class cars to Japan, Germany, Singapore and the United States for tests. Many car companies are developing hydrogen-powered cars to help wean the globe off diminishing oil supplies.
The Mercedes car uses fuel cell technology where electricity is generated through the chemical reaction between hydrogen and air, emitting only water vapor.
"It (commercialization) will start in 2012," Herbert Kohler, Vice President of the Body and Powertrain research unit at DaimlerChrysler told reporters in Brussels, on the margins of a hydrogen car technology exhibition.
But there are still technical obstacles to overcome such as extending fuel cells' reliability and durability; ensuring that they start at sub-freezing temperatures; reducing costs, and storing enough hydrogen in a small enough space to be workable.
The car industry is also waiting for the roll-out of hydrogen filling stations.
Shell Hydrogen Chief Executive Jeremy Bentham said once consumers demanded hydrogen filling stations, energy companies would meet it.
"We see that these vehicles have the potential to be attractive to consumers," he told reporters. "Our job is to make sure we are prepared for that business."
Hydrogen is already produced in refineries for industrial purposes and the energy industry needs to build the infrastructure to sell it to consumers, said Bentham.
More Gov't subs there boobster? I thought you HATED to have a deficit, but now you want more spending? hmmmmmm...
How about this for a novel concept, let's do both. Your "feul cell" idea does not come overnight, and neither does drilling for oil in AK. They are both options which will take years to hit the market.
Also, please dont tell me that car companies are not working on Feul Cells, because the first one to come up with one is going to be quite rich. The question does beg, how much will one of these cars cost when they first hit the market? Are you expecting to have them free? Do you mind paying an extra 10k for your car boobster?
Of course you dont. Then again, we know who's fault that is going to be..
How about this for a novel concept, let's do both. Your "feul cell" idea does not come overnight, and neither does drilling for oil in AK. They are both options which will take years to hit the market.
Also, please dont tell me that car companies are not working on Feul Cells, because the first one to come up with one is going to be quite rich. The question does beg, how much will one of these cars cost when they first hit the market? Are you expecting to have them free? Do you mind paying an extra 10k for your car boobster?
Of course you dont. Then again, we know who's fault that is going to be..
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PhillyFan:
More Gov't subs there boobster? I thought you HATED to have a deficit, but now you want more spending? hmmmmmm...
How about this for a novel concept, let's do both. Your \"feul cell\" idea does not come overnight, and neither does drilling for oil in AK. They are both options which will take years to hit the market.
Also, please dont tell me that car companies are not working on Feul Cells, because the first one to come up with one is going to be quite rich. The question does beg, how much will one of these cars cost when they first hit the market? Are you expecting to have them free? Do you mind paying an extra 10k for your car boobster?
Of course you dont. Then again, we know who's fault that is going to be..
Actually PF. Ballard Power Systems (Of British Columbia) developed a hydrogen fuel cell about 10 years ago, that is very efficient, and would last approx 200k kilometers before it would need to be replaced. More Gov't subs there boobster? I thought you HATED to have a deficit, but now you want more spending? hmmmmmm...
How about this for a novel concept, let's do both. Your \"feul cell\" idea does not come overnight, and neither does drilling for oil in AK. They are both options which will take years to hit the market.
Also, please dont tell me that car companies are not working on Feul Cells, because the first one to come up with one is going to be quite rich. The question does beg, how much will one of these cars cost when they first hit the market? Are you expecting to have them free? Do you mind paying an extra 10k for your car boobster?
Of course you dont. Then again, we know who's fault that is going to be..
Then the company was bought by Ford, and lo and behold, it disappeared.
I cannot beleive, that in this day and age, that we are still using the same basic technology for transportation that was used 100 years ago in the Model T's.
I happen to think that there ARE efficient, alternate technologies out there, that can be utilized fairly quickly. They just haven't been needed before now.
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PhillyFan:
More Gov't subs there boobster? I thought you HATED to have a deficit, but now you want more spending? hmmmmmm...
There is such a thing as RESPONSIBLE spending (spending on social issues and things that will improve our country are worth going into debt because they will pay off in the long run) unlike these deficite-creating "conservatives" that are ruining this country's financial future.
More Gov't subs there boobster? I thought you HATED to have a deficit, but now you want more spending? hmmmmmm...
My trusty little Subie gets 25+ MPG on the freeways, but that's not the reason why I'm not upset about drilling in a VERY small portion of ANWR, which itself is a small part of the state of Alaska. Drilling and piping technology have evolved to the point where both can be accomplished in an environmentally-safe manner, with minimal impact upon the land, and its flora and fauna. IMHO, those same techs haven't convinced me they're so advanced to allow drilling off FL's - or any other pristine* - beaches, but they may well be by 2012. Keeping our heads stuck in the sand both in seeking and using oil is foolish and where technology evolves, so should our policies.
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*Though I'd hardly call the shores of Miami Beach "pristine."
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*Though I'd hardly call the shores of Miami Beach "pristine."
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gmginsfo:
My trusty little Subie gets 25+ MPG on the freeways, but that's not the reason why I'm not upset about drilling in a VERY small portion of ANWR, which itself is a small part of the state of Alaska. Drilling and piping technology have evolved to the point where both can be accomplished in an environmentally-safe manner, with minimal impact upon the land, and its flora and fauna.
Who can guarantee that getting all the crap to the drilling sites for oil-hungry America will be environmentally-friendly? Do you really want to go to the beach and see structures for oil drilling off in the distance? "Well, if it means cheaper gas, yes!" How ignorant. There are transportation alternatives in every major American city but spoiled idiot Americans have to have things just their way and are unwilling to walk their fat ugly asses more than three or four blocks to use public transportation.
My trusty little Subie gets 25+ MPG on the freeways, but that's not the reason why I'm not upset about drilling in a VERY small portion of ANWR, which itself is a small part of the state of Alaska. Drilling and piping technology have evolved to the point where both can be accomplished in an environmentally-safe manner, with minimal impact upon the land, and its flora and fauna.
Hey, I would walk my butt more than 3 or 4 blocks to catch public transportation...if it was an option. I live in Arlington and drive to Fort Worth every morning for my job...I don't pass any type of public transportation on the way. If there were more (hell, any) options, then I might consider using them.
Texas isn't really up on the whole public transportation thing...is there even a subway anywhere in Texas?
Texas isn't really up on the whole public transportation thing...is there even a subway anywhere in Texas?
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bobby78751:
There is such a thing as RESPONSIBLE spending (spending on social issues and things that will improve our country are worth going into debt because they will pay off in the long run) unlike these deficite-creating \"conservatives\" that are ruining this country's financial future.
Now it is OK to give debt to our chidlrens children if YOU think the social issue is worth it? WHAT? Arent you the one who always compares the current debt saying it's a bad thing? That goes back on everything you claimed clinton did, because they did not fund every social cause in the world. That is how they stayed balanced.There is such a thing as RESPONSIBLE spending (spending on social issues and things that will improve our country are worth going into debt because they will pay off in the long run) unlike these deficite-creating \"conservatives\" that are ruining this country's financial future.
For someone who HATES corp america so much, now you wish to hand out FREE money to GM/Ford or whoever, then allow them to reap the profits of feul cells?????
By the way, not to split hairs or anything.. Feul cells are not a social cause, they are an economic cause... just to be clear.
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dfwAggie99:
Hey, I would walk my butt more than 3 or 4 blocks to catch public transportation...if it was an option. I live in Arlington and drive to Fort Worth every morning for my job...I don't pass any type of public transportation on the way. If there were more (hell, any) options, then I might consider using them.
Texas isn't really up on the whole public transportation thing...is there even a subway anywhere in Texas?
Houston now has trains. DFW has trains. Austin voted for trains (on rail in 2008). The public transportation system in Austin is very good.Hey, I would walk my butt more than 3 or 4 blocks to catch public transportation...if it was an option. I live in Arlington and drive to Fort Worth every morning for my job...I don't pass any type of public transportation on the way. If there were more (hell, any) options, then I might consider using them.
Texas isn't really up on the whole public transportation thing...is there even a subway anywhere in Texas?
Would you be willing to live in Fort Worth and ride The T? There is a train station north of Arlington if you want to ride the train into Fort Worth.
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