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MLB UMPIRE
This folder is for discussions not related to any specific ruling or interpretation covered in folders 1.00-9.00. If you're not sure where to post something, use this folder. Also, if you've got a general question ("How does one become an umpire?" "What kind of restaurants do you guys like when you're in a certain city?"--stuff like that), post it in here.

If you don't think it's rule-related, use this folder; or if it's rule-related but you don't know in which folder to ask, post it here and I'll move the topic to the appropriate folder for you.

A polite reminder: I will NOT answer questions I believe are too personal or a breach of one's privacy.(Been there, done that, a long time ago, and I don't want to make that mistake again.)I will also not answer a question about which umpire will be where when, etc. If there is a question I cannot or will not answer, I will politely let the original inquisitor know and leave it at that.

This folder is not designed for those who simply want to get their post count up. You know, people like Joe in Philly.

Sorry, Joe, I just HAD to get that in! biggrin.gif
bluebird48234
Where does one get a good copy of the official rules?

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What could you say about the Tigers/Red Sox game in Detroit, 10 July 2003? I may get tickets with the group that's going from work, and I'd like to have some intelligent things to say, if necessary...
MLB UMPIRE
You can obtain a copy of Official Baseball Rules in most bookstores. It's usually located in the sports information section and is published by The Sporting News. They have the most common and easy-to-read version. Price runs around $7.95 or so.

I'd bet it's also available on Amazon.com.

BTW, if you're interested in a great publication on baseball's rules, even a comparison between Pro Rules, NCAA Rules, and Federation (high school) rules, check out this site: http://www.rulesofbaseball.com
canmark
Mr. Umpire, have umpires been given any special instructions/directives re: SARS in Toronto?
bluebird48234
What about my Tigers/Red Sox question?

Is it in the "do your own homework" category?
MLB UMPIRE
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canmark:
Mr. Umpire, have umpires been given any special instructions/directives re: SARS in Toronto?
Not really. We've just been advised to be careful, especially if asked to sign anything for someone. Now that the World Health Organization has lifted its travel advisory to Toronto, I'm sure the hysteria will die down.
MLB UMPIRE
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bluebird48234:
What about my Tigers/Red Sox question?

Is it in the \"do your own homework\" category?
What about that game? I don't understand your question.
Joe in Philly
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bluebird48234:
What about my Tigers/Red Sox question?

Is it in the \"do your own homework\" category?
I'm not sure how much you know now about baseball, but I have a suggestion...since the game isn't until July, each day read the stories in the local paper (or website) about the Tigers. And watch as many as your schedule permits. That'll keep you up to date on the team and players that your coworkers will be most familiar with. And just follow the sport in general...watching games, maybe watch ESPN's "Baseball Tonight" on a regular basis, or try to read some of the columns by Peter Gammons or Jayson Stark on ESPN's website. And if you have specific questions about the game ask away in the Baseball forum--unless they're questions about the rules, in which case you...(crowd yells in unison) Ask! The! Ump! biggrin.gif
ung
and Bluebird... seriously... since you say you're wanting to have intelligent things to say. No matter how much you know at that time (I'm assuming you don't currently know a lot since you asked that question) Don't say anything if you aren't sure what you're talking about.

Meaning..... nothing looks more stupid than someone who doesn't know or only knows a bit pretending to know more. not necessarily a dig at you. This applies in general.

If you don't understand something at the game, ASK someone who does! That is the most intelligent thing to do and say.
copman
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bluebird48234:

What could you say about the Tigers/Red Sox game in Detroit, 10 July 2003? I may get tickets with the group that's going from work, and I'd like to have some intelligent things to say, if necessary...
Fake it, just like I do. .. "So how about those Red Sox?" (said in a manly drawl) or since Detroit is having a terrible season "Detroit looks like shit this season, don't they?" or the ever popular"So, who do YOU think is gonna win this game?" And the other person takes the conversational ball & runs with it. You nod & agree & they think you are a sports whiz...Works GREAT on first (gay sports) dates. Plus you can ask them other questions too , to help you learn like "who do you think is the best player on the team ?" or what do you think of this teams coaching." See, its not so hard! wink
bluebird48234
Ump,

I realized that maybe my question was not as focused as it could be...but, it was an honest question nevertheless.

Anyway, Joe in Philly made some useful comments that I think I'll follow.

Thanks to both of you.
MLB UMPIRE
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bluebird48234:
Ump,

I realized that maybe my question was not as focused as it could be...but, it was an honest question nevertheless.

Anyway, Joe in Philly made some useful comments that I think I'll follow.

Thanks to both of you.
bluebird,

I'm not complaining about your question; I just didn't understand it. Perhaps I was having a brain cramp, perhaps my train of thought was directed elsewhere. I had originally thought you were asking me who was scheduled to umpire that series in July (I get a lot of those questions from friends of mine).

Considering that others have already chimed in, I won't belabor the issue. I'm glad your question has been answered, though. smile.gif
coyoteugly
Let's talk a little bit about the actions of home plate umpire CB Buckner tonight in Arizona (The game is not over as I write this). Let me preface my comments by saying that I am not a fan of the Diamondbacks, and I despise the Braves (Atlanta = worst sports town in America, no contest). Umpires hate when players show them up. Tonight, an umpire showed up a player (by aggressively approaching and confronting Curt Schilling) and Buckner deserves a MAJOR suspension. This is purely an example of where an umpire intentionally and purposely becomes part of the action. There was no need for the umpire to confront the player. And Diamondback Manager Bob Brenly gets thrown out of the game for running interference and defending his pitcher. If the player had done the same to the umpire, he would have been tossed immediately. What is it with you umpires that think you have carte blanche in the game? We do not come to the game, or watch the game on TV, to see you! Who disciplines you for innapropriate behavior? And if you do get disciplined, is it reported? If not, why not? I guarantee you that your buddy, Sandy Alderson, gets this swept under the rug. CB Buckner should be majorly disciplined for his actions tonight.
Go Royals!
MLB UMPIRE
Feel free to direct your complaints to the following:

Sandy Alderson
Vice-president, MLB Operations & Umpiring
Major League Baseball
245 Park Ave., Ste. 30
New York, NY. 10167

[ May 04, 2003, 06:44 PM: Message edited by: The Umpire ]
coyoteugly
Typical response, Ump. Of course you cannot defend those deadbeats! After watching the game between the D Backs and the Braves today, the whole crew should lose their jobs. The series was a debacle. You should be embarrassed to be associated with those losers. Tim McClelland (pine tar game) used to be a class act, but his whole crew should be selling insurance. This post will probably be deleted, but I'm stating my opinion. Here the roster of the worst umpiring crew in baseball: Tony Randazzo, Tim Mcclelland, Ted Barrett, C.B. Bucknor.
Marc
I think Ump's response was quite appropriate and helpful...if you have a complaint, take it up with this Sandy Alderson fellow instead of displaying such hostility here.

I didn't see the game in question, but apparently Buckner's behaviour resulted from Schilling's persistent 'barking' (as the mlb.com article put it) about Buckner's interpretation of the strike zone. Maybe umpires aren't always right in their calls, but it sounds like Schilling went too far with his badgering, hence the umpire's reaction.
coyoteugly
Calgary, key to your response to my comment "I didn't see the game in question." There was no "persistant" barking by Curt Schilling. This was an umpire aggressively confronting a player. Here's Schilling's quote, just so you don't rely on the sanitized mlb.com version "It was a strike. I was shocked," Schilling said. "I don't remember what I said, but he (Bucknor) ripped his mask off and came out to have a chat." The crew in question backed up their incompetency again on Sunday (actually the entire series). This forum is about open discussion. I have an opinion. The ump has an opinion. We agree to disagree. I would have just appreciated more of a response to the questions I asked about umpire discipline. The umpire in question (Bucknor) has a reputation about his strike zone, but he crossed the line when he approached the player. If the player had approached the umpire like the umpire approached the player, he would have been tossed in a minute.
Speaking of Arizona, care to comment on tonight's game ump? Specifically, when a pitcher throws behind a batter (the pitcher was trying to hit the batter, but missed). The pitcher then walks towards the batter to confront him, without the batter moving an inch. Benches empty. Care to comment on why the pitcher wasn't tossed?
(Side note to Calgary: Is it possible that I may have possibly met The Umpire in the past and might be jerking his chain?)
MLB UMPIRE
One of the most difficult, if not THE most difficult, part of our job as an umpire is trying to get in the mind of a pitcher to judge when he is intentionally pitching at a batter. Certain prior acts make our judging intent a bit easier. For example, if a batter hits a home run and stands and watches the flight of his home run; or if a team steals with a 9-run lead. These are often followed by a brushback or hit batsman, and if we believe it's intentional, we can do one of a couple different things.

We are also faced with inconsistent directives from our superiors, who issue edicts from their Park Ave. addresses, often having no idea of what is or has been occurring on the field itself. I honestly do not know if there will ever be a "final solution" to how such situations are handled.

With respect to McClelland's crew, if you don't like them, that is, of course, your prerogative. Armchair umpires are a dime a dozen.

I can tell you this much: Ted Barrett is one of the best umpires in Major League Baseball, and he will remain so throughout his career. MLB would be lucky to have more just like him.
canmark
Just saw a couple of interesting plays on the highlights from yesterday (and I'm not even mentioning the Zach Day glue incident).

Trot Nixon catches a fly ball in right field for the out, but then hands the ball to a fan in the stands thinking it was the 3rd out. But it was the 2nd out. What is the ruling and does it matter if/where the runners are on base?

Jason Grimsley, the KC pitcher against the Jays was steamed at what he thought was a mis-call on a play at first base. A couple of batters later he is removed from the game by his manager. He returns to the dugout, but then runs out and argues with the first base umpire. My question is: what can the umpire do? If Grimsely was still in the game he could be ejected. But since he's already out of the game, what can you (the Ump) do?

[ May 18, 2003, 07:33 AM: Message edited by: canmark ]
MLB UMPIRE
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canmark:
Just saw a couple of interesting plays on the highlights from yesterday (and I'm not even mentioning the Zach Day glue incident).

Trot Nixon catches a fly ball in right field for the out, but then hands the ball to a fan in the stands thinking it was the 3rd out. But it was the 2nd out. What is the ruling and does it matter if/where the runners are on base?
This was quite humorous, to say the least. The ruling is the same as if the ball was thrown out of play by Nixon: All runners are awarded TWO bases from the bases they last legally occupied at the time the ball was released from Nixon's hands to the fan. If either runner had not yet tagged up, the award is made from the base from which they must tag up.

For example: Runner on first base who is off with the pitch. As he rounds second on his way to third, the ball is caught by the right fielder, who throws it out of play attempting to double him up at first. Even though R1 is past second and near third, he is awarded third base--two bases from his last legally occupied base. Note: He must retouch second then retouch first and proceed again back to third. The overthrow does not relieve him of the responsibility of properly tagging up. Furthermore, if the ball became dead then the runner touched third, even if he then retraces his steps back to first then third for the award, he is subject to being declared out on appeal. There is a reason for this.

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Jason Grimsley, the KC pitcher against the Jays was steamed at what he thought was a mis-call on a play at first base. A couple of batters later he is removed from the game by his manager. He returns to the dugout, but then runs out and argues with the first base umpire. My question is: what can the umpire do? If Grimsely was still in the game he could be ejected. But since he's already out of the game, what can you (the Ump) do?
If Grimsley becomes too much of an annoyance, the crew chief can order security to remove him from the premises. Absent this, such behavior will be included on an umpire's report to be submitted to the Commissioner's Office for disciplinary action.
billsf
I get a message when I try to log into some boards on the UMP. It says I don't have access privileges to the site. What's up with that? :confused:
canmark
If you're not "logged in" and try to post it will tell you you don't have access privaleges (ie. you have to be a registered member of Outsports to post).
billsf
Hey Umpire,

Either today or last night, I was watching the Giants/Colorado Rockies game. All of a sudden, it struck me as strange that the home plate umpire was African-American. I really don't remember seeing many, if any, African-American umpires.

Do you know how many there are? The subject of recruiting minority baseball managers is a current hot topic in baseball. Does this apply to umpires as well? Has the ruling board, or whatever, for umpires received any directive on this subject from the commissioner's office? :confused:
MLB UMPIRE
Bill,

There are a few African Americans among our ranks. Some are even of mixed descent as well.

Folks like CB Bucknor, Laz Diaz, Chuck Meriwether (the plate umpire in the game to which you refer), Kerwin Danley, et. al. are among our minority umpires, as is Alfonso Marquez, a Hispanic individual. There's a greater mix of minorities now than even ten years ago.

There is no written or public policy per se of recruiting or hiring minority umpires, but I CAN tell you this much: Major League Baseball WILL hire a minority over a nonminority if all things are equal. Furthermore, minorities are much more likely to be chosen by PBUC (Professional Baseball Umpire Corporation, the governing body of minor league umpires) as minor league hires out of umpire school and much more likely to be promoted from one minor league level to the next.

It may not be fair, but it's reality. IMHO, I don't care if someone is black, white, red, yellow--whatever--if he's good enough to be a minor league or major league umpire, let quality be the determining factor and not some racial balancing desire.

BTW, in NO way am I implying that the aforementioned umpires are not good enough to be major league umpires.

[ May 25, 2003, 09:20 PM: Message edited by: The Umpire ]
canmark
On sports radio this morning I caught the tail end of an interview with former umpire Ken Kaiser, who just published a book Planet of the Umps. Have you read it Ump? Comments? When are you publishing your memoirs? :confused:

I hope Outsports gets mentioned. smile.gif
js1metsfan
Ump,
I have a question regarding working behind the plate.
Maybe it doesn't happen as much on the major league levels, but when you worked lower levels of ball, how did you react to a pitch that you felt for sure had the chance to hit you.

Some of the leagues I work have real shitty catchers but decent pitchers. Sometimes, they bounce a pitch and I can see it coming a mile away. As a result, I don't hold my position steady, and kind of start to jump out of the way.
Last night, my assigner noticed I was doing it more than usual, and told me to make sure I stay in there.
Kind of silly though to stand in there and get hit, especially since balls in the dirt invariably bounce up and hit you in the balls or on the part of the leg where there is no protection.
How is this normally taught to other umpires?

Thanks

Josh
MLB UMPIRE
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Originally posted by canmark
On sports radio this morning I caught the tail end of an interview with former umpire Ken Kaiser, who just published a book Planet of the Umps. Have you read it Ump? Comments? When are you publishing your memoirs?

I hope Outsports gets mentioned.
I have not yet read it, canmark, nor have I yet purchased it. I usually do most of my book reading on the airplane. It makes the flight time go by more quickly and is the only true \"free\" time I often have.

As far as my memoirs, well...I haven't given those any thought. Perhaps one day. Will Outsports be mentioned? We'll just have to see, won't we? wink


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js1metsfan:
Ump,
I have a question regarding working behind the plate.
Maybe it doesn't happen as much on the major league levels, but when you worked lower levels of ball, how did you react to a pitch that you felt for sure had the chance to hit you.

Some of the leagues I work have real shitty catchers but decent pitchers. Sometimes, they bounce a pitch and I can see it coming a mile away. As a result, I don't hold my position steady, and kind of start to jump out of the way.
Last night, my assigner noticed I was doing it more than usual, and told me to make sure I stay in there.
Kind of silly though to stand in there and get hit, especially since balls in the dirt invariably bounce up and hit you in the balls or on the part of the leg where there is no protection.
How is this normally taught to other umpires?

Thanks

Josh
Josh,

Before entering professional ball, and before I was doing college-level ball, I worked Little League and similar lower levels (Pony, Colt, etc.). Going among the various levels was a challenge for several reasons, not the least of which were the expertise of the catchers.

When working high school varsity level and college level games, I never seemed to flinch or move, but put me behind a catcher in a Little League or Pony league game, and I found myself feeling terrified of getting hit. I often was moving and jumping out of the way to avoid those pitches that hit the dirt and were aiming for me. I quickly realized that if I got hit in these situations, it was most likely my fault for one main reason: I wasn't remaining still.

As you and I know, we are protected with much better equipment than the catcher has. Furthermore, except for a few specific areas--upper legs, inner thighs, and arms--we have protection covering our body parts that face forward.

As difficult as it often is, my recommendation to you is easier said than done: Stay absolutely still. It took me a while to perfect this, but when I did, I found myself suffering from many fewer bruises and welts.

When a plate umpire moves, he invariably will rise; that is, he will assume a more erect position (no pun intended, you perverts!). When he does so, he exposes his upper legs/thighs more than normal. He also exposes his arms more than normal. In other words, he increases the size of him being a target. Also, keep in mind that if a batter should foul off a ball that goes back toward the backstop, such fouled off ball goes up and back; that is, it rises slightly as it goes back from the bat. Because the catcher is lower than the umpire, the catcher is less likely to get hit by it. The umpire is MORE likely to get hit if he is moving or in the processing of standing up/rising. If he remains still, the odds are that the foul ball will go right above him.

When a plate umpire remains still and does not move, if the ball hits him, it will most likely hit him in the shin guards, mask, or chest protector--in his equipment, in other words. While he still may get hit in the arms or hands--ouch!--he is less likely to get nailed there if he remains in his stance, for his surface area, his target area, is not as large.

Give this a try and see how it works and let me know. When I do clinics or train umpires, this is what I tell and show them. You'd be amazed on how successful it will be.

BTW, be sure you're using the best equipment possible. Don't skimp on anything just because something might be expensive. Make an investment in your protection. There are several vendors of umpire equipment, but the best, IMHO, is Gerry Davis Sports. Gerry's a major league crew chief (#12) who owns the best umpire supply store in the country.

The best chest protector bar none is the West Vest Platinum (also called the Wilson platinum). Check out his Itech shin guards, too. These revolutionary ones are MUCH less expensive than the West Vest guards, and even more protective.

Go to www.gerrydavis.com to browse his store.

[ May 29, 2003, 01:06 PM: Message edited by: The Umpire ]
js1metsfan
Ump,
Thanks--
I have the West Vest--I bought it a few years ago, and it is great.
I have no problems with my mask or shin guards--sometimes I just think I need a full body suit, since I get hit in the arms a lot!

Josh
MLB UMPIRE
Josh,

Which model West Vest do you have? The platinum version came out last year. I had the original version, which happened to be the last one that was longer. Now all versions are a bit shorter. Considering I'm over 6' tall, I miss the longer one. However, the platinum model vest has THE best protection, particularly for the shoulders, collar bone, and sternum.
thersis
i don't know if this should go here or in the "you make the call" section..... you've been queried about all kinds of situations (and posed them as well!) that seem impossibly complex, and then you unravel everything, cite the appropriate rules and make the answer seem so obvious (you should teach). but have you ever faced a situation in play that took more than the usual split second to figure out the appropriate outcome? i wouldn't be surprised if the answer were no, but if you have ever encountered just such a stumper, would you share it with us?
js1metsfan
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The Umpire:
Josh,

Which model West Vest do you have? The platinum version came out last year. I had the original version, which happened to be the last one that was longer. Now all versions are a bit shorter. Considering I'm over 6' tall, I miss the longer one. However, the platinum model vest has THE best protection, particularly for the shoulders, collar bone, and sternum.
Ump,
I'm not sure which model I have (since it's in the trunk right now). It's definitley not the platinum version since my protector is 2 or 3 years old.
The shorter one doesn't bother me since I"m only 5'9".

BTW--last night I stayed in for as many pitches that I could and I took 3, but all of equipment.
Then just as I was feeling good about myself, I turned my body on a pitch in the dirt and got drilled in the arm. Guess it does pay to stay in there. smile.gif

Josh
MLB UMPIRE
Josh,

It's amazing what staying still can do for you, isn't it? biggrin.gif Of course, you blew it by turning on the next pitch and getting nailed. That'll teach ya. tongue.gif

Seriously, though, I'm glad to see you trying to remain still. It ain't easy, believe me, especially at the lower levels, and especially after working upper level games where the catchers KNOW they're supposed to block those balls and protect the umpire.

If your current chest protector works well for you, of course there's no reason to change. When you next look at getting a new one, check out the platinum model. It's cat. # PR4166-08 on Gerry's store.

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Originally posted by thersis
i don't know if this should go here or in the \"you make the call\" section..... you've been queried about all kinds of situations (and posed them as well!) that seem impossibly complex, and then you unravel everything, cite the appropriate rules and make the answer seem so obvious (you should teach). but have you ever faced a situation in play that took more than the usual split second to figure out the appropriate outcome? i wouldn't be surprised if the answer were no, but if you have ever encountered just such a stumper, would you share it with us?
When I pose such situations in the "You Make the Call" folder or in other places, I don't necessarily do so to stump folks or bring up impossible plays. I generally try to focus on certain rules or situations that are often misunderstood or confusing. I DO hope I never come across as condescending, either, for that's never my intention. There are many other careers about which I may know little, and I wouldn't want someone who's more knowledgeable in those areas to make me feel like an idiot, so hopefully I won't do the same to those who do not know much about baseball's rules and interpretations.

I appreciate your compliment about teaching. In fact, I do just that. While in the minors I substitute taught in the public school arena. I also teach at various umpire clinics across the country during the offseason. I do not presently teach at either of the two current professional umpire schools. I am fortunate to have an excellent understanding and grasp of the rules of baseball, so that's why it might seem easy for me to pose a situation and lay out the ruling.

I will admit, though, that it's much easier to do this on paper or in print than on the field. On the field we must make quick decisions and take in a LOT of things going on, all the while making and applying the correct ruling, for to do otherwise can result in a protest--a big taboo in professional baseball.

As far as if there has been a situation where it took more than the usual split-second decisionmaking, yes, I've had a few of those. One minor example was a play where the batter hit a slow roller down the third base line in an AA game I did once. I was working the plate when the pitcher wanted it to roll foul. As it was rolling on the line, with plenty of time to still roll foul, the pitcher got down and began to blow on the ball--I kid you not--in an attempt to make it go foul. I pointed fair and ruled it a fair ball at that time, even though it eventually rolled back into foul territory. Why? I employed 9.01©, which gives us authority to rule on anything not specifically covered in the rules. I concluded that if the pitcher had touched the ball with any part of his person, obviously it would have been ruled fair. To blow on it was a rather unfair way of trying to get the ball to go foul. I theorized that his breath was an extension of his "person," though in an unusual form, and that such contact with the ball while it was on the line made it fair.

There was much argument and discussion about this, but the call stood.
bluebird48234
Hello, Mr. Umpire!! It's good to be back with another question.

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WARNING: I am in the full understanding that this may be a personal matter whose address may not be appropriate for the Board, nevertheless, I thought that, if there were some insights/thoughts you could share, I would appreciate them.

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It came up for me that, one day, you're going to retire.

What kinds of plans does a prominent person such as yourself make? Would you move out of the country, in order to establish a comfortable life, or do you have other plans that would include some type of friend-based security detail, as living outside the United States would not be not to your liking?

NB: Although I am sure that it's obvious, I am not interested in any specifics about what you are planning. What I am trying to find out is: when one's career is national/international in scope, how is it terminated properly via retirement to set the correct stage for the rest of your life in the manner you deserve?

Perhaps, like the ones Billy Bean had, there are coaches/mentors who are in place and available to you who are prepared to discuss a proper retirement when becomes necessary. Is this the case?

[ June 03, 2003, 06:02 AM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]
MLB UMPIRE
Hello, bluebird:

If retirement was but a few years away, I suppose I'd give it more thought, but honestly, I haven't. Financially I'll be fine. Both my current investments and my MLB pension and benefits will see to that.

As far as what I'd like to do in terms of occupying my time, there are several activites that I'm sure will keep me busy. I would like to stay involved in umpiring in a teaching/training role, thereby enabling me to help other umpires, both at the amateur and professional level.

In terms of nonbaseball-related retirement activites, since I enjoy traveling, I'll make it a point to visit places to which I have not yet been. I'm not moving out of the U.S., but there are many places I'd love to visit, and doing so now is difficult, considering I'm kept busy with umpire stuff even during the off-season.

I've been asked, perhaps rhetorically, if some day I'll write my memoirs, or make some big coming out announcement, or settle down with someone. To be honest with you, I can't answer that. I don't know if there's some need for me to write my memoirs; I don't wish to be someone's hero by coming out (is it really necessary?); I don't know if I'll ever settle down with anyone. I just don't know what the future holds in these regards.

The only part of your question that confuses me is your reference to a "comfortable life." My life is quite comfortable now, so I'm not sure why you ask if it would be comfortable in retirement. If you meant in the financial retirement dept., I addressed that above.
bluebird48234
Hmmm...that's interesting: by "comfortable" I did mean something akin to "partnered and out to friends"; but I guess that's possible for you now.

I just thought that, being away from your career, you might be somewhat more vulnerable (e.g., to people/press getting curious about your personal life when you no longer had obligations to maintain a security detail)...

Now that I write this, I remember that my understanding is (of a particular nationally-acclaimed newscaster) that he is partnered with a career military man, and they have created the proper logistics to make their lives work.

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Well anyway, I am glad that you're comfortable, in every sense of that adjective; and, as always, I appreciate the gift of your sincere expense on behalf of the Discussion Board.

:cool:

[ June 04, 2003, 06:35 AM: Message edited by: bluebird48234 ]
MLB UMPIRE
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bluebird48234:
Well anyway, I am glad that you're comfortable, in every sense of that adjective; and, as always, I appreciate the gift of your sincere expense on behalf of the Discussion Board.

:cool:
It's my pleasure to participate here on the board. BTW, I now understand more of what you meant by "comfortable." As I rhetorically commented above, who really knows what the future holds? After all, I can't guarantee I'll even BE in a relationship then. It's been so long I think I forgot how one works. biggrin.gif
SoxFaninJP
So Ump, what's the word about the Toronto game "played under protest?" Does that mean anything? Is it possible the play will be reviewed and the game replayed? Does it make a difference that the game was "officially" under protest?
SoxFaninJP
So Ump, what's the word about the Toronto game "played under protest?" Does that mean anything? Is it possible the play will be reviewed and the game replayed? Does it make a difference that the game was "officially" under protest?
maxallen
Hey ump, there was an interesting "Scorecard" column in SI this week about QuesTec, the camera system to evaluate strikes vs. balls. Besides taking a sarcastic tone ("They've come up with the outlandish idea that - get this - pitches thrown over the plate should be strikes and those that are not should be balls. Whoa."), the column says that umpires are having their performance assessed by this system. I'm curious to hear your thoughts about this.

Not that anybody asked, but here's what I think. I think it's about damn time. Many other sports use high-tech means whenever feasible to improve fairness and accuracy. Of course there are subjective sports like gymnastics and figure skating that can't use lasers or timing devises or anything else to improve the fairness of the subjective scores, but in baseball a strike vs. a ball is not a subjective thing. Or is it? Why not use whatever technology is available to determine whether a ball is over the plate? I don't agree with MLB using this system to evaulate an umpire's performance, but I do think that if high-tech means could be used to help an ump make instant decision on calling a ball or strike, it should be used.
canmark
I didn't watch the Toronto game last night, but have been reading the reports. I gather this was the situation:

Runners on 1B and 2B, 0 outs. Ball hit to OF and caught by the leftfielder. Ball is trapped by OF, but third base umpire calls it a caught ball. OF throws to 2B to force/tag out runner(s).

But, the umpires later determine that it was trapped. And say that all runners are safe, despite the fact that one of the runners was tagged out in the confusion.

So my question is: what is the ruling when an umpire makes a mistaken call which is later overruled/changed.

I mean, in a safe/out call, the change only affects that player. But in this case, whether the ball was caught or not caught affects 2 runners at 2 different bases. If the call is "caught" then the Jays forced out the 2B runner who went to third without tagging (plus the batter). If the call is "not caught" then the Jays tagged out the confused runner from 1B (but the batter is safe at first).

Either way, we should have gotten at least 1 out, but were given 0 outs.
MLB UMPIRE
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BostonFanInDC:
So Ump, what's the word about the Toronto game \"played under protest?\" Does that mean anything? Is it possible the play will be reviewed and the game replayed? Does it make a difference that the game was \"officially\" under protest?
Boston,

A game played under protest means that the offended team claims a rule or ruling was violated. It could mean player eligibility or something not related to an umpire's decision, but usually means the offended team claims that an umpire erred when making a ruling. Judgment calls cannot be protested. One cannot protest the call of an out/safe, or catch/no catch, etc.

In order for a protest to be valid, it must be made before the next pitch, play, or attempted play. If not, one cannot protest no matter what. On game-ending plays, said protest must be made by noon the next day.

This is what "officially" refers to.
MLB UMPIRE
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canmark:

So my question is: what is the ruling when an umpire makes a mistaken call which is later overruled/changed.
If an umpire makes an incorrect ruling, it should be reversed immediately, and is usually done so with the crew consulting and the crew chief announcing the final decision. Judgment calls are a different thing, for even if they are clearly incorrect, they cannot be protested.

There are a few specific situations where an umpire's incorrect call that put a runner in jeopardy can be reversed and a runner's disposition changed. For example: A runner is on first and the batter has a 3-1 count. The next pitch is ball four, but the second base umpire does not hear or see the plate umpire call ball four. R1 had been stealing on the pitch, and as he slides into second, the catcher's throw nails him, where the umpire calls him out. R1 gets up and walks off the base when the offense yells to him to get back on it because it was really ball four and he was pushed up to second. The defense tags him again while he's off the base.

Because the second base umpire's original call was erroneous--R1 was free to advance to second on the batter's walk--R1 is not out, even after he's tagged again off the base. The umpire is to call "time" and place R1 back on the base safely.
MLB UMPIRE
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maxallen:
Hey ump, there was an interesting \"Scorecard\" column in SI this week about QuesTec, the camera system to evaluate strikes vs. balls. Besides taking a sarcastic tone (\"They've come up with the outlandish idea that - get this - pitches thrown over the plate should be strikes and those that are not should be balls. Whoa.\"), the column says that umpires are having their performance assessed by this system. I'm curious to hear your thoughts about this.

Not that anybody asked, but here's what I think. I think it's about damn time.
Well, you asked for my thoughts, so I'll give them to you, and I state them here not because I'm against evaluations; I, along with some others, helped design the current evaluation system.

The Questec system is a joke, pure and simple. It's highly inaccurate and doesn't take into consideration many factors, from the catcher butchering a pitch to backdoor curve balls, etc.

None of the Questec cameras have direct viewpoints. They're stationed at several different angles, and whether looked at individually or combined with all the other cameras, they can't get a true, realistic look at the pitch.

How can something so objective determine something so subjective? It's asinine.

ESPN earlier this season did a nice piece on this system, presenting both sides. However, one fact was clear, and ESPN emphasized this: Questec is not in any way entirely accurate. Unfortunately, MLB is grading us on it, and unless we call a certain number of strikes based on what the Questec operator records, we are in trouble.

The players hate it, we hate it, but our superiors think it's the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's not. It's absurd.
maxallen
Thanks for the reply; it's good to hear it straight from the ump's mouth, so to speak. I totally agree that it's an awful idea to use Questec to evaluate umpires' performance. What I meant by "about damn time" was that it's about time they think about using high-tech means to make the game as fair and accurate as possible, just as some other sports use advanced timing or measurement systems. Apparently Questec isn't the answer, but I suspect there will be one in coming years.
MLB UMPIRE
Umpires need to be evaluated for several reasons, not the least of which is that over time, we must be held to the same standards and abilities to which we were held in our first year of service. However, using such ridiculous and inaccurate systems like Questec is NOT the way to go about this.
YankeeFan
Hi! This may be a dumb question, but when I was watching the Rocket's failed attempt for win #300 against the Cubs, FOX showed a shot of Kerry Wood in the Cub's dugout and in the background next to the sunflower seeds was a can of Pam. What would a can of non-stick cooking spray be doing in a MLB dugout? What would be its purpose?

Thanks!

Chris

[ June 09, 2003, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: YankeeFan ]
canmark
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YankeeFan:
What would a can of non-stick cooking spray being doing in a MLB digout?
They ran out of Crisco? :confused: eek! biggrin.gif
MLB UMPIRE
Yankeefan, it's simple: We use it on our shoes.

Many players and most umpires spray Pam on the bottom of our shoes when the ground is a bit wet from poor weather. It prevents our shoes from becoming so clogged with dirt as quickly as they would had nothing been applied. When that wet mud becomes coagulated on our shoe bottoms, it can literally add a couple pounds of weight to our shoes, and this creates more problems for the plate umpire especially, since plate shoes are much heavier to begin with.

See, you learn something every day, eh? smile.gif

[ June 09, 2003, 09:04 PM: Message edited by: The Umpire ]
YankeeFan
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The Umpire:
See,you learn something every day, eh? smile.gif
I sure did! I never would have thought of that in a million years...thanks a lot Ump, I appreciate it!

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FeverDog
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The Umpire:
...more problems for the plate umpire especially, since plate shoes are much heavier to begin with.
The home plate ump wears different shoes than the field umps? How come? I'm guessing the ump working the plate has steel-toed boots to protect against foul balls or something...
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