Isn't that a given??? wink



[ November 04, 2005, 09:43 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]

Sometimes I think, He does this on purpose...

Other times, i just shake my head...

This time, I say...

BATTER UP!

Mirror, mirror, on the wall...

Who's the phinest biker of them all?

I used to stick my finger down my throat to get skinny so I could get laid. It worked so well that now I stick something else down my throat while I'm getting laid to maintain my ideal physique.

Other bonus of not being overweight...you don't get a power wedgie when winter bike riding.

Or thigh burn from taking a long walk!

NJ

I liked the other title "Losing weight can get you laid" better.

Depending on who you're with, getting laid can actually help you lose weight!! wink wink

I really love winter biking. I am overweight, especially for a cyclist. This crap just kind of brings me down. I mean ddduuuudddeeesss come on! You are not even metioning "meth". What a lame half-assed attempt at teasing or belittling Allen :mad: .........

I really should get a cool OS handle. Maybe "anklgrbr" cuz thats on my liscense plate. "Pilobytr" would fit too.

Erik,
You are already too cool for your own good!

Erik, the post was the first of a 2 part series. Meth comes in the 2nd installment.

Yes, somehow I knew you were holding back, showing self-restraint. You had to save some for later. Cuz methaphor takes so much out of a person.

"Watch them shake like you."

By the way, this is definitely a Friday thread so I expect Tiggee to show up then.

Why wasn't I shocked when I saw who the author was for this thread and his comment.

No Allen, it's not a given. Not only shallow skinny twink boiz and muscle queens who's only requirement for guys is that they're hot get laid, but when I choose, I can fill my dance card.

I am fat as hell, and still get enough sex. I should lose weight and I work on it, but part of this journey in life is being comfortable with being who you are. I wonder how productive it is to make fun of people who are different than you and sit in judgement...

Did any of you READ the article? That's all I am asking. Just READ it.

I don't need to read the aritcle to know what you're feelings toward people who don't work out 8 hrs a day, and how you find overweight people offensive.

Okay, what planet are you from? Seriously Merloni26.

My family are heavy set Germans & Norwegians. Loving, kind, wonderful people. They knew from the get go how active I am. If they want to be fat, so be it. If you want to be fat, more power to you.

I just put up the article as a study that was done here in Minneapolis. Maybe there is someone unhappy about being fat & maybe it is somewhat motivation to lose it. Who knows?? Who cares??

It's just an article I posted.

I did read the article and there are some things that do make sense and some things I dont agree with.
Personally, I do work out and exerciese and I am skinny (not a twink by any means), but to be perfectly honest, I like a little meat on my guys. Beefy guys can be very sexy. I guess its all a matter of confidence. I'd pick a thick confident guy every time.

Thank you! Same here.

Allen.. I kinda know where u are coming from. A couple years ago, I was about 60lbs over weight and I lost it by diet and exercise. I exercise and play tennis alot now to keep in shape and im to a weight where I think I look good and I feel good. For a long time, I would try to get people to exercise coz it made me feel good. I think I just had to learn, lots of people are happy the way they are. I guess, I wasnt and tried to project that too.
Does that make sense.. I wasnt trying to be mean but for some reason it reads that way.

I know the feeling. And it isn't mean at all. You should read some of the stuff people have posted about me on here.




[ October 20, 2005, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]

Allen, my first "interaction" with you was regarding some topic regarding overweight people. You made it very clear that overweight people are lazy and don't care about themselves.

My 2nd interaction with you was that I posted something about a tattoo, and asked if someone knew of a place online where I could find a picture of the tattoo I wanted. When someone supplied a link, you replied to him, but directing it at me, "He's just lazy, he wanted you to do the work for him"

The article isn't about you. I just put it up for anyone to READ logically. I apologize if you take offense to it.

Hey, guys, Allen is a very easy target to pick on, but don't forget he is a person with feelings, the same as the rest of us (well, most of us anyway wink ).

Back to topic - if you are slender, will gaining weight help you get laid? wink

If you meet someone who is attracted to someone with a belly, then yes.

Me in 2001 and me now...and yeah, my sex life picked up. Way.

NJ

Another, 2001/2005

So yeah, keeping in shape isn't for the lazy or the weak @ in my mind.

I'm still as hungry as I ever was, so forgive me if I take offense to folks who think this is easy.



NJ

First I'll say NJ, in both sets of pics you are fine in each one, and I hope you made the change for yourself, and not for others.

Also, I do understand that committing yourself to a daily routine of exercise takes alot of will power, but what's your opinion on people who don't work out?

I would work out, but I'm too busy having all this sex.

With all the Vikings stinger?

Well I tried to saty out of this fray, but I can't.

Please spare us the righteous indignation and martyrdom. If you feel you get picked on, it's only because you just paint these broad paths of judgment concerning people who don't have gym bodies.

I remember how offended you were when someone referred to you and/or your friends as ciurcuit queens or twinks and yet you often seem to find a way to belittle people who are too skinny or fat, those don't fit into you little window of perfection.

As for some of the reactions you got to this topic, you can thank your original thread title, which implied that if you lose weight, you'll get laid more often. At least you had the sense to change it. You ask if any of us read the article. I wondered the same thing of you after you first posted it with the original misleading title. And the snarky "Isn't it a given" didn't help matters much.

The article, which can be filed under "Duh", says that if you lose weight, you can have better sex, not more, either because your equipment will work better or because you have more confidence. But there are plenty of big guys who have all the confidence in the world and there are some gym bodies with zero confidence. The quality of the sex may well be partially dependant upon physical fitness, but the quantity is all about confidence and putting yourself out there.

It's a matter of opinion. I'm glad you expressed it.



[ October 20, 2005, 11:21 AM: Message edited by: Allen ]

I'm not sure how this turned into a "Let's trash Allen" thread, but maybe someone should just start a thread titled "Let's trash fellow Outsporters". Allen might be an easy target, but I'm sure there are plenty of other Outsports (including possibly myself) that are spared criticism because it is so easy to pick on Allen. I feel like I'm back in public school dealing with the school bullies.

Allen I wasnt trying to offend you and I hope I didnt.

I like men period. I like hairy, smooth, tall, some meat, muscular. shoo... I dont discriminate

[ October 20, 2005, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: basketballfan29 ]

Thanks...but I really feel better about myself now....though I stay perpetually hungry....

I wouldn't say I look down upon folks who choose not to work out.

One of my sisters battled weight all her life and finally "gave up"......she became satisfied with who she saw when she looked in the mirror and I admire her for that....I wish I had that same esteem.....unfortunately, I did feel bad when I looked in the mirror and though nobody ever treated me different in my personal life.

If you look @ the "fat" face pic, I posted, you can see the "pain" in my face @ having to have my photo taken. (Drivers Licence Photo). I was ashamed at how I looked and I see it in my eyes in that photo.

...it was definitely an eye opener when I would go out on the rare occasion to a bar or club. I FELT invisible. Nobody paid me attention. Now, its no longer the case....but it certainly doesn't make me feel "good" knowing how we are basically judged on our apperance, whether we like it or not by the general population....it sorta makes me see how shallow people really are....I'm still that fat boy inside, I didn't change my inward self...only my outward self and I suddenly became of the "Bell of the Ball".

Thats an exaggeration, but you get what I'm saying.

So to avoid further babble....I'd say, I did it for myself....because losing the weight built (up) my self esteem....and I do really feel alot better physically...but its sorta made me bitter (more so) toward people in general.

NJ

Actually there Scottie,

It’s not picking on Allen, I seriously think he just does this when he wants attention.

It goes like this:

Allen posts something about getting everyone inshape. Or him going somewhere (and the gym), Finding an excuse to talk about some Circuit party (with pics and gym) and name dropping…

Then everyone posts about how superficial he is…

Then he posts back as the person hurt.

Then someone defends…

Then the rest of us roll our eyes.

All we are missing is the final chapter about something on the radio, biking, and going to the gym and doing legs or something.

A truly self confident person is going to be able to defend something they posted online. Just as I can call someone superficial when I see it. I’m a big enough boy to defend those actions with my own personal thoughts… some people aren’t.

When I see these articles, I liken Allen to the beaten wife who just comes back for more. Plus, it gets him some attention and he can talk about how he’s ripped or something like that….

If you take a poll and asked people if they wanted to get with a supermodel with a ripped body, it would come out to 98%. If you asked if they actually wanted to hang out with those people in real life, I’d guess it goes down to 5%.

I’m also sure that someone in their 20’s who goes out all the time and stays out late has a better chance of getting some than your typical 30ish person who has to get up and go to work and try and have somewhat of a career.

For most of us we are left with a choice as we get older:

Hold onto the “I wanna be 35 year old party boy running around with 20 year olds”

Or

Gain some balance of having a career, staying active, and having fun. Surrounding yourself with actual friends and remaining confident in your values.

The second choice probably isn’t going to get you booty from 10 different people during the week, but it might make you a better (self confident) person to score some quality booty.

So what you are saying is that now you can afford the good stuff? :confused:

Nathan,
Don't be offended but I actually think you are more attractive with a few extra pounds.
Anyway,I've lost 105 bs. and I'm still not getting laid but it's more of a confidence/trust issue with me.If only masturbating helped you lose weight!!!! wink wink wink

Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinions since they know me very well.

Let's stick to the topic at hand.

NJ, I'll echo eddie and say that you were attractive bigger as well. But, as you said about your sister, you gotta be satisfied with yourself, not how others think. And since you weren't satisfied, you did something about it, and that's great. And you sister accepted it, which is what I did. I started going out to clubs when I was 22. I was going with friends who were good looking...typical club going 32 inch waist A & F looking guys, and me an overweight "tub" and truthfully I felt like shit because I was looked at by guys like Allen as "ewwww, you're fat...don't even look at me" So it really got to me for awhile, for like 7 yrs actually...not having much luck because I didn't know anything else besides the typical gay, non sports watching, how many clubs can we go to, how many circuit boys can we look at lifestyle. Then I figured out there's real guys out there...WITH BELLIES! LOL Who like sports, and I discovered Bears....And I realized that there are guys out there like me, and that hairy and beefy can be quite hot LOL and that A guy with a 6 pack and a smooth chest might be hot to look at but as PhillyFan said....not many of them are a joy to be around otherwise.

[ October 20, 2005, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: Merloni26 ]

What is the topic at hand,

Only Allen can get laid?

Bizarre coincidence: yesterday I was reading something on-line about guys who are gaining weight (fat) to attract more men (bears).

To each his own.

Well I suppose this is a gay site, so we should focus on the gay community, but I also believe that its not simply the stereotypical gay "boi" that can be harsh and superficial....our society...western society believes this...ripped bod = good, anything else = sloven and lazy....so, (to me) its simply not a case of the circuit crowd being this way.

I'm not gonna defend Allen, but I do suspect a bit of the animosity I read toward him (here) has more to do with the posters own insecurities vs. Allen. Its pretty obvious a bit of jealousy is going on....so what if he wants some attention? I mean how does it personally effect any of us?

I think (deep down) whether we want to admit it or not, we all want to be noticed, we all want to feel good about ourselves. Some people are @ a different level of comfort (with themselves) and look outside to seek that nirvana. Every human being does so to a degree...some call it wanting to be "liked" others say they simply want to be respected, but its all the same really.

Why knock them down, instead of helping them grow?

What ever happened to "turn the other cheek" in our society?

Going back to my comparison above....

GENERALIZING here, but...follow me...

Circuit Community says:
Ripped, Smooth Body = Hot
Out of shape = Not worthy of my time, sloven and lazy.

Bear Community says:

Circuit Boy w/ripped Body = Superficial, egocentric disease ridden dumb ass
Hairy, beer bellied, chili farting, blue collar good old boy = Humble, decent, thought provoking mans-man.

I don't agree with either stereotype...I do know, that even when I was heavy, I was SEXUALLY attracted to the smooth, ripped body minus the circuit party lifestyle type, but I knew I didn't have a chance in hell...but that was strictly on a sexual level....but it hurt...but when I really pondered the predicament...it was one I had placed upon myself...

Life is never equal or "right"....if you wanna play the game, you gotta have the right equipment...right?

What I've found over the last 4 years is after the sexual attraction wears off (and it does) no matter who I'm with....there is not much there to like....no matter how good they might look to you or to me.

NJ

The gay community regardless of looks does seem to be overpopulated with superficial folks.There are superficial bears as well as the superficial "bois." I personally am attracted to lots of different men.I think the most attractive type of man is a nice man!! If you are considerate,compassionate and attentive it makes you very attractive in my eyes.We all have our likes and dislikes.In the hot jocks thread there is a topic about pitcher Roy Oswalt.I personally don't find this man even remotely attractive but there are lots of guys who do.Under the same topic there was a picture of a gentleman with this shirt off whose name escapes me.He has a little bit of a belly and one of the posters acted like they were thoroughly repulsed.I actually thought the guy was cute.It sounds cliche' but "to each his own." I lost weight mostly because of severe digenerative arthritis but I will be the first to admit that "I" personally think that "I'm" more attractive when I'm thinner.That does not apply to everyone,however.Merloni,you already know that I think you're cute as hell!

You know, I’m not into baldies, so if I started a thread I’d not be offended if the people who enjoy pool cues chime in. I’m also not into hairy bears, but to each their own (stinger).

However my guess is that if you are 20-30 and cleaning out hair from your shower everyday, you have less of a chance of getting some than a 20-30 year old with a full head of hair.. given the same body type.

This does not mean I’m going to post a “wanna get some real action, get hair plugs” thread.

I did actually waste 10 minutes my life reading that article (which I will never get back). It’s was not saying that you score more action (as Allen is saying).. it’s saying that if you lose that fat gut, it wont get in the way of the bumpin going on. I could have saved this company about 100,000 and just told them the answer to that question. I also would not have had to read about 60 year olds getting it on. I find that pretty gross.

This thread is for nothing but getting the same attention (some of us are used to this). Then when you ask questions, the answers are vague or go unanswered. Because we are baiting to the “grow up and don’t be superficial” line….

All you have to do is research a little and you’ll know what us “Mean” folks are saying.

Then again, I’m a Male-Sexist-Pig-Republican-Mean-Eagles-Fan, none of which I feel the need to apologize for but I will defend to the bitter end. People can accept that and dig me like all the chics do, or just stand in line for my autograph (as most would).

PhillyFan,
Please don't hold anything back! wink
That baldy remark kinda hurt,however. frown

You can be bald and still be hot. Check out Allen's photos.

What if you are bald and fat?

Just get a gun and stick it in your mouth?

It was probably Lance Berkman they were talking about....(shirtless Astro)....yeah, I saw that same thread and thought..."thats weird, I think Berkman is cute "as-is"...(he's also a super nice guy, he comes to the school where my sister works (with no fan-fare) and reads stories to the kids, along with his wife).

However, if I had my choice between Berkman and Ausmus? Well, ya see...I sorta go for the....

But you're right, substance can come in every form and shrill, airy-emptyness can too.

NJ