I was wondering where all the sub-literate breeders who usually invade the board after some stupid jock makes an idiotic comment had gotten to.

Dead Skin Mask provides continuity at least, albeit with the usual poorly thought out arguments.

You forgot to bring up the First Amendment, by the way, so I'll do it for you:

It's a free country! People are dying in Iraq so that people like Matt Millen can say whatever the hell they want! Why do you hate the First Amendment! Hypocrites!
Translation: I have no problem with people over 40 calling African-Americans "niggers" either.

And Slayer sucks. Biohazard, Sepultura and Megadeath wipe the floor with them.

Undercenter, I think we've only volleyed over France-Germany. (C'est tout bien, Alles ist gut, ja?)

I don't know either Millen or Morton, and certainly Morton shouldn't have called Millen an ass**** (a semi-competent leader is about right), but I mean, let's state this again: Millen is a team PRESIDENT, not some lughead like Kyle Turley or Bill Romanowski or Warren Sapp. The league has to expect more from team executives and officials, especially the people leading each organization. Doesn't it?

Also, calling someone a racial, gender or other targeted slur is worse, because it targets a specific, immutable aspect of that person as opposed to being a general insult. I give Morton credit for not flying off the handle to proclaim his heterosexuality and I'm glad that he pointed out the the slur was "bigoted," though I could have done without the "demeaning" bit. Because there is nothing demeaning about being homosexual. But then that's taking the discussion to another level; in the everyday world, being tagged with any sort of gay epithet is unfortunately still considered to be one of the worst insults.

I agree with Amazing--those Mortons are gorgeous. Did you ever see any of the calendar shots of Morton in swimming trunks? They could do a calendar all by themselves--tag team on the months.

Actually, isnt that like saying.. W just won the next election... let me go to the DNC board and see how happy they are? I mean come on, what do you expect man?

[ December 16, 2003, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

Well, I'm glad you were right. In fact, I think we are all happy here that the big bad straight guy came onto our board and really told us off! We should thank you for setting us straight (all puns intended) and proving again that gay=bad and straight=good.

Now, if we want to go back to the topic at hand, there is a huge difference between a player telling a club president (with whom he's had problems in the past) "kiss my ass" and that president turning around and calling the player a "faggot."

When you tell someone "kiss my ass," you are telling them to shut up - you are reacting to something they've done or said (or you think they've done or said) and you are reacting to that specific incident, not the person's religion, or family, or any other unimportant part of their life.

When someone then turns around and yells "faggot" they are saying "you are bad, you are not a man" and why are they bad, why are they not a man? Because they fall in love/sleep with guys, and that makes them weak, makes them half a man, or whatever. You are not reacting to something they actually did to you, you are insulting them and everybody like them in order to win points; or you are insinuating they are like this group of weak, horrible people, which still insults that group of people.

Neither behavior is very pleasant, but when Morton told Millen "kiss my ass" he was continuing their ongoing fight (and yes it was disrespectful). When Millen told Morton he was a "faggot," he was either a) outing him (which is completely unnecessary and beside the point); or calling him weak and thereby insulting everyone who is gay.

You see, darling, not everyone who is gay is weak. In fact, not everyone who is gay listens to Ricky Martin or Justin Timberlake (please, beyond good asses they ain't got much). We're not all Richard Simmons and Christopher Lowell (although I think both those guys are great at what they do), and we do watch football. Some of us are even Lions fans, and we are pissed when we get insulted.

So to recap - Morton insulted Millen, Millen then insutled Morton and every gay person who is a fan of his team, not to mention all the fans who have friends and family members who are gay. First insult - stupid and childish; second insult - stupid, childish and potentially economically damaging.

Oh, and Slayer really needs to retire the "brutal" "death metal" crap - it is soooo 1990s. And Kerry has not looked good since he chopped his hair - in fact the only reason to listen to that band was because they used to be hot in a white trash kind of way - now they're just old and fat.

I was wondering where all the sub-literate breeders who usually invade the board after some stupid jock makes an idiotic comment had gotten to.

Dead Skin Mask provides continuity at least, albeit with the usual poorly thought out arguments.
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If you don't like straight people coming on to the board to give their opinions on certain subjects, drop an e-mail to whoever runs this site and ask them not to drop links on espn and cnnsi.com.

You may thinkmy arguments are poorly thought out, but at least i'm not a hypocrite and accept double standard BS.

You guys have absolutley no idea how ridiculous you look trying to make millen out to be the bad guy, while riding the jock of the girlish johnnie morton who STARTED THE WHOLE THING WITH HIS BIG MOUTH!!!!!!!

Once again You condone gays to be offensive to straights, but the minute a straight guy says something offensive about a gay guy LOOK OUT, It's WWIII, and this sites link is sprayed all over the internet in an attempt to draw people out, and when they come, You don't like it very much and have to resort to the shit you proclaim to be against.

Like I said you don't like my opinion or others who happen to disagree with yours complain to the administration and ask them to quit linking this site on espn and various other sites.

Then you guys can be one big bitter family

er, uh, how about reading some of the posts here instead of flaming off? Hey, I'm givin' you a chance, dude.

"ask them not to drop links on espn and cnnsi.com."

Were we linked somewhere? That would be cool.

Deadskin, everyone is welcome here to say anything, no matter how idiotic, as long as they stick to the subject at hand and don't get personal.

For the record, I don't condone Johnnie Morton's telling Matt Millen to "kiss my ass." In fact, I'm disappointed that he did so. The difference is that he owned up to doing so in a way that Millen STILL has yet to.

The difference between the f-word and "kiss my ass" is so blatantly obvious that I find it hard to believe that anyone would miss the distinction. "Kiss my ass" is a general insult that does not refer to any cultural, racial, or sexual background. The f-word carries a very specific perjorative meaning, so the f-word is clearly worse than "kiss my ass."

If Millen were a player at the time of his utterance, I'd have chalked it up to the competitor's heat-of-the-moment response, but he's a team president. There is most definitely a higher responsibility for someone who is in that much authority. He's the CEO of a company for Pete's sake! That means that not only should he apologize for his words, but he should face the music and answer some very difficult questions at the least.

OK, I will take a futile stab at trying to make you understand.

1) This feud goes way back, so Morton didn't "start" anything that day. Millen, if he had any sense at all, would not have said anything. He is the team president, and should behave professionally at all times and just not even talk to someone on a different team that he has a problem with.

2) Now imagine that Millen had said "Hey nigger, I am talking to you nigger", what do you think the response would be? A lot of people, gay and straight, find his use of "faggot" in this context to be just as insulting and offensive. I am pretty sure from the things you have written (use of the word "girlish" for example) that you probably do not agree that these bigoted terms are equally offensive and are both much worse than "kiss my ass". Add to this that Millen is in a position where professionalism and decorum are requirements and this is the basis for the anger towards him. And, it doesn't matter how old he is or if he is "old school" or not.

Doesn't Christopher Lowell claim he's married...to a woman? I could have sworn I heard him once mention his "wife"--though I guess he could have an even more femme male spouse than he.

BTW, the comment about "girlish" Johnnie Morton was over the top. It was, as others have pointed out, homophobic...but then I think that was the point, wasn't it? (And so what if any male football player is girlish? Not everyone has to be Mike Ditka, and even he posed on the cover of ESPN as the spouse of that hot little Ricky Williams, who had on a beautiful wedding dress!)

[ December 16, 2003, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]

Slayer ROCKS! YEAH MAN!

For one I never said gay=bad straight=good,
that's just another typical tactic you guys use to try and justify your hypocrisy...You blatantly make BS up

And You must be related to sylvia brown, I had no idea you knew exactly what matt millen was thinking when he called morton a faggot, I mean you somehow managed to see inside his head and witness him trying to belittle every gay person in the world by calling one guy a FAGGOT!!
impressive.


Ahhh and I like how Millens insult of morton was so dasturdly that it managed a domino effect of pain that spread throught various organizations, cities, families, etc, But the ever so classy mortons insult of millen was just a forgivable little jab, no harm done. I mean the guy insulted another man who WAS BEING NICE TO HIM.
Bottom line: Both were being ass****s but morton was cetainly the biggest by instigating the whole thing with his classless attitude.

When you tell someone "kiss my ass," you are telling them to shut up - you are reacting to something they've done or said (or you think they've done or said) and you are reacting to that specific incident, not the person's religion, or family, or any other unimportant part of their life.

This is very confusing, This may be how YOU take it when someone says to "kiss my ass" but to me those are fighting words as is "Faggot" both are meant to belittle someone, Morton dosent get a free pass because his insult somehow wasent "personal" I suppose if he told millen to suck his dick, that wouldn't be personal either

Oh, and Slayer really needs to retire the "brutal" "death metal" crap - it is soooo 1990s. And Kerry has not looked good since he chopped his hair - in fact the only reason to listen to that band was because they used to be hot in a white trash kind of way - now they're just old and fat


Well I just have to tell you, I don't pay to much attention to a bands hairstyle or whether or not they look "good" when i'm putting on one of their cd's, I could care less what size levi's kerry king or tom araya's up to now, all that matters to me is their music past and present, I happen to like it that dosent make it wrong does it? I sure hope johnnie morton dosent find out i listen to slayer because i'm sure he grooves to ashanti or alicia keys around his crib getting down with the minizzle fo shizzle dizzle, which by the way got old about 2 seconds after snoop said it, but that's just my opinion.

I just wouldn't want an all world WR like morton losing respect for me, being that the guy's so classy and all.

btw I was just kidding about the "all world wr"
part we all know morton is mediocre at best which is another reason why he shouldn't open his trap to a guy who's actually won titles, like i said before morton mouthing off to millen is just as bad as eddie kennison mouthing off about shanahan, as rod smith alluded to maybe lil' johnnie should try and accomplish something before he runs off at the mouth about a former pro bowler, world champion.

What is it with these chiefs WR's latley?? all of em' are scrubs and they're all popping off, must be bitter about that first round exit that's coming their way

[ December 18, 2003, 10:08 AM: Message edited by: m1 ]

Dead Skin Mask, I'm glad you feel comfortable coming to this webite to have your opinions heard. I can tell you that I, along with many other posters on this site understand your point of view. It has been shoved down our throats since the beginning of time. Ignorant comments about Justin Timberlake, Ricky Martin (both of whom I don't follow) just goes to show the limited information, knowledge and bigoted lifestyle you base your opinions upon. I also don't think that someone deserves another person's respect just because of their job title or their accomplishments. True respect is earned and not demanded.

You and people like you will only understand our point of view by walking in our shoes.

Unfortunately for you, that day is coming soon, as you and "your kind" are quickly becoming the minority of this world. If you were smart, you'd get with the program by reading more (and I don't mean Hustler), travel (to places outside of your town), get to know more people of color and lastly, educate yourself before forming an opinion on something you obviously know nothing about.

Thanks for stopping by and have a very GAY holiday.

MEGADEATH rocks man!

Ok Dead Skin Mask is inarticulate, rude, and not smart enough to know that you don't stand much chance of convincing people if you piss them off.

But, he's not completelywrong here.

1. Millen was trying to make a nice gesture by congratulating Morton (and several of his other teammates).

2. Morton, if he's still pissed about the way he was released, had every right not to be open to that, although to spurn a gesture of good will like that is,at best, petulant and childish.

3. To spurn the good will gesture as nastily and disrespectfully as Morton did, was worse than petulant and childish (though it was each of thse as well). It was rude, and would have provoked anger -- justifiable anger -- in anyone.

4. So Millen was provoked when he said what he did. Had Morton exhibited even the eensiest, teensiest bit of grace in dealing with Millen, this would never have happened.

5. None of the foregoing excuses what Millen said. He's the team CEO, the boss of 200 employees, and he needs to be able to control anger and carry himself more professionally. Millen has a history of not being able to do this.

6. But it also wasn't the crime of the century, against Morton, gays, or anyone else. It was an angry response to a rude gesture.

7. The fact that it was an emotional outburst makes me relatively confident that it was not a calculated atempt to out Johnnie Morton.

I don't think Dead Skin was trying to say much more than that, and if that's all he was saying, I pretty much agree. Too bad for Dead Skin that his rhetorical skills make Matt Millen look Cicero.


P.S. If Morton is gay, and was outed, and needs to be consoled, I'm available. Mee OW!

[ December 16, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Skiguy ]

Get a grip, guy. You had a chance to prepare a thoughtful reply to some thoughtful posts, but chose instead to get all purple-faced over "hypocrisy." (Yes, that's how it's spelled)

What is it, you wanna get verbally piled on by a bunch of gay guys? What's next -- a literal pile-on?

BTW, what's the big deal about someone being girlish? Something wrong with that? Perhaps if you showed girls more respect, you'd see a lot more of them naked.

I agree that they were both wrong to make those comments but I would expect more from a team CEO. Leaders are expected to lead by example and set standards for the team. How was Morton suppose to know that Millen was trying to be nice? They weren't on good terms prior to the incident. He could of said congratulations or I'm sorry even after "kiss my ass" was said. That would have been the grown up leader type thing to do.

Some shmo says something about slayer, So I says shit about timberrflake and ricky martin, i know gay people who actually listen to that garbage, so by throwing that bubble gum no talent garbage in the mix isent ignorrant, i know not all gay people listen to those guys, but i DO know some that do, so lighten up.

And I don't need to be educated about anything, I've seen gays get treated horribly up close and have even stepped in to squash that stupid shit,

There's no way in hell you're gonna be able to
stop %100 of people out there from being close minded and hateful towards gays, My whle problem is how do you know matt millen is one of em just because he called a guy a faggot, matt millen could very well be gay, I've heard that word used
plenty of times by gays themselves and others.

I personally would never call a gay person a faggot or a queer to belittle htem, but let's get real it's not the same as the word nigger, not even close.

And thanks for wishing me a happy holiday, same to you as well, you and yours enjoy the holidays and the upcoming new year and try to keep things on the STRAIGHT and narrow

Unless you have walked in either party's shoes, I believe it is difficult for you to convince any of us that you have the credibility to make that statement. Who has given you the authority to determine the level of offensiveness attributed to the words "nigger" and "faggot"?

As far as your comments about the Chief's receiving corps - they're second in the AFC averaging 263 yards per game, catching 23 touchdowns, third in the AFC. Both Morton (646 yds) and Kennison (734 yds) have four TD receptions each, and you mentioned Rod Smith (803 yds) in your post... ... he has 2 TD's this year. Looks like Rod Smith is a mediocre scrub as well - for the team with the AFC's 11th rated passing offense in terms of yardage, catching 18 TD's for 7th in the AFC, trying to squeak into the playoffs.

To us, YES IT IS.

Enough. It's been painfully obvious from his first post that this is just another bigoted straight troll. It's time to ignore him once and for all.

Joe, he's gone already. Mommy called him downstairs for din-din. wink

Not to get too picky, but I have absolutely no confidence that Millen was extending an olive branch to Morton, as has been suggested here.

None.

By all accounts, from Kansas City to Detroit, the two men hate each other. Why, after a loss, would Millen be emotionally moved to reach out to Morton?

But, playing Devil's Advocate with myself, let's just say Millen WAS being genuine. Because of the acrimony between the two men, it'd be no suprise to me if Morton instinctively/knee-jerk reaction-tively gave the finger to Millen, told him to kiss his ass, et al.

Bottom line: this was Millen's opportunity to rise above. To be able to go on ESPN, face reporters, and say, "Hey, I went to Johnny like a man, after a loss even, and tried to congratulate him. Unfortunately, he's not the man I thought he was...words, words, words."

Millen is responsible for what Millen did. No one else, and certainly not Morton.

Ditto here. Rings as false as bobby bowden's lame-a** excuse that the semi's were actuially going to the Gator midfield to pray, not stomp on logos.

Gimme a break, Matt.

Gotta put a different Slayer cassette into the boom box, that takes a while...

SLAYER ROCKS!

Millen and Morton obviously had a history that we are not totally familiar with. They may understand each others motives all too well. Was Millen's gesture cynical and insincere? Or did Morton perceive it as such?

The following was delivered in error to the moderator, by user Mark Arnold.

Here is a message I sent to the USA Today editorial section and the Detroit Lions home office..

It amazes me that Detroit Lions President, Matt Millen continues to make headlines for his stupidity, rather for doing his job well and putting a quality football team on the field each week. For several seasons the Detroit Lions have been hovering near the bottom of the NFL while Millen grabs the spotlight for using words such as "coward" or "faggot" to characterize players. I wonder if Mr. Millen realizes how blessed he is to be payed so handsomely for a job he has performed so poorly. In his position, with national exposure, I find his comments offensive and wonder how he has gone so far in life without learning the basic principles of human decency. I applaud Johnnie Morton for walking away and would love to sit down with Matt Millen proving that "faggots" exhibit courage, intellegence and could hold their own in a football conversation. While waiting for this invitation, I hope Commissioner Tagliabue gives the gift of a hefty fine!

To be donated to OutSports, of course.

Priceless. And *hee* gay guys know more about football than him. As they say on a blog I go to, can't we get a better quality of trolls?

And here's what Millen was quoted as saying in the article at the top of the thread: Now, I wasn't there, obviously, but it's the 'Nice talking to you' that's the key to the most important topic of, well, like, ever: who started it: Morton or Millen? Is there any other way to take that as anything but a sarcastic remark?

Dead Ski Mask: Get thee to a spellchecker.

I was looking for images of Johnnie Morton and found a good one:
[img]http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:2QVayHqUd_wC:i.cnn.net/si/siforwomen/2000/may_june/swimsuit/5/swim04_lg.jpg[/img]

PDXer: Beat you to it. This was posted yesterday and was today's Picture This.

From all I've read so far, this is what my gut tells me:

1. Johnnie Morton is gay.
2. Millen suspected it and that's why he let a solid performer go. Kind of a "I won't have any of them on MY team" attitude.
3. Morton suspected that Millen's bigotry was the reason he was no longer a Lion.
4. Morton ends up in KC on a playoff team.
5. Millen bristles at Morton's new situation.
6. KC beats Detroit and seems playoff bound.
7. Millen's frustration needs a target.
8. Morton arrogantly rebuffs Millen.
9. Millen, knowing his job is on the line given his team's performance during his tenure, puts his last shot at Morgan in the chamber, and fires the word "faggot".
10. Millen figures if he's going down he's gonna take Morton's with him.

No, Millen didn't call him a "jap" or a "nigger" or a "half-breed", but he also didn't call him a "pass dropping prima donna", or a "32 year old has-been", or a "disloyal opportunist" or even just a plain old "ass****". He called him a "faggot". Because of all those terms, that's what he thought would hurt Morton's career the worst. And he did it on purpose.

Again, just my gut talking.

What have you read, other than comments here, that lead you to believe Morton is gay and Millen suspected it?

I've written a column on the apology of Millen and others.

I have an interesting observation about the language of this apology and the word "IF"...

The initial apology which was made only to beat writers in a conference call on Sunday night after leaving Kansas City included the phrase "if I offended"....

If you all listen to his actual public news conference (which was actually just Millen making a statement at the beginning of Mariucci's Monday news conference at the practice facility) Millen says he apologizes "TO ANYONE HE OFFENDED"....check it out...this is the bite that ran over and over on ESPN and other news outlets, yet everyone is dwelling on the "IF" in the statement that no one heard except a small number of beat writers who reported it in Monday mornings editions...

I'm not discounting the "first" Sunday night apology that was issued, but the one that the majority of fans heard from him directly didn't include the "if" reference...

Listen to it the next time you see it....you'll see....and hear it also....

Thanks NFLJock!
Maybe the feedback is finally sinking in...

excellent column Jim....

ironic, that I was thinking that it was very similar to the use of the N word, and deadskinman or whatever says "it's not faggot is the same is nigger." uh, dude, yes it is, as any other epithet referring to race, ethnicity, disability, religion or sexual orientation...

kiss my ass in no way shape or form carries the same impact as faggot, and we are not going let you pretend that it does

" he apologizes "TO ANYONE HE OFFENDED"...."

Still lame. Still puts the onus on those offended and shows he doesn't get it.

Great column in Salon today on why Joe Horn gets fined and Matt Millen does not.

Why do we have to eat our own? Why are we so many times our own worst enemy?

We have a great opportunity when an NFL player shows support for the gay community and disavows homophobia by stating he has gay friends.

So why can't we appreciate that for what it is without devolving into "well... he must be gay then." and you wonder why other heteros won't come out in support of us? Cuz they don't wanna get painted as "girls" by the gay community among others.

[ December 17, 2003, 12:18 PM: Message edited by: ung ]

Great question ung. I wonder the same and have for some time.

Totally agree. If anything to me, this guy talks openly about gay friends and being sensitive to gays, that means he's definitely straight. He's comfortable with who he is.

I agree with Ung as well. Thanks, Ung, for making that point.

You're right fantomas - I think we've only seriously volleyed over France/Germany in Afghanistan.

It's nice to see that straight guys are checking in here for our point of view - it's too bad they had to send an emissary that doesn't quite understand the difference between calling a pro-NFL player into theatre a "Faggot" and the professional damage that could cause him, as opposed to telling a failed team president to “kiss my ass.” They’re both insults, but one is nuclear, one is a slingshot.

I'm glad he's not sitting on the judicial bench – there’s a difference between Murder and Jaywalking, but yes they're both violations of the law.

Your grammar suggests otherwise.

[ December 17, 2003, 05:58 PM: Message edited by: danimal ]

The following is the letter I am sending to Tagliabue:

Dear Mr. Tagliabue:

I am writing with regard to a series of events in the National Football Week that have me seriously questioning the priorities that you choose to establish with regard to the conduct of your employees.

In particular, I would like to address the vile epithet Lions President Matt Millen directed toward Kansas City Chiefs wide receiver Johnnie Morton, especially when compared to the conduct of New Orleans Saints wide receivers Michael Lewis and Joe Horn, and Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Johnson. The actions of all three men drew fines, including a $30,000 fine on Mr. Horn, but the league did nothing when Millen did something much, much worse?

Horn’s act could be considered childish or immature; in fact, so could the actions of all three men you chose to fine. But Millen’s words were far more injurious, not only to Morton, but also to an entire class of people, some of whom buy season tickets, go to or watch games, or count themselves as football fans. The word he used against Morton is one that I as an openly gay man consider an extreme insult. I am downright appalled that the league has said and done nothing and I interpret that as tacit approval of blatant homophobia.

I ask you this: If Millen had used the so-called “n-word” that is offensive toward blacks, would the league have done nothing, or would the league have fined Millen or the Lions or reminded players, coaches, and front office personnel of any league guidelines against racism? I can guarantee you that if Millen had used a racist word, he would either have been summarily dismissed from the Lions’ employ or he would have resigned. Why has the league not done something similar in this case, or in other cases where a player has used the same anti-gay epithet?

I continue to call myself a Redskins’ fan, football fan and a NFL fan. But if the league continues to display this abhorrent double-standard in the kinds of discipline it metes out, I will have to re-assess my enthusiasm for supporting a league that clearly does not want to support an entire faction of its fan community.

Destiny, you make some good points. Might I suggest two changes if you haven't already sent the letter.

First, Millen and the players are not employees of the National Football League. Neither the League nor Commissioner Tagliabue are the employers of either Morton, Millen, nor any others. Tagliabue's authority to fine them is based on the bylaws of the NFL, a voluntary association of the 32 clubs. I agree with you he should use that authority to fine Millen.

Second, immediately after complaining of a double standard, you state that you are a fan of the Redskins. Guess what: that word is as offensive to the Shoshone, the Navajo, and the rest of the aboriginal people of this continent whom we decimated in the last four hundred years as n_____ is to African Americans and faggot is to some homosexuals. So as currently worded, your letter leaves you open to a charge of throwing stones from a glass house. Perhaps you should follow the lead of the Tuesday Morning Quarterback and call yourself a fan of the Potomac Drainage Basin Indigenous Persons. Or perhaps you can abandon the blighted team altogether until Dan Snyder sells it.

[ December 18, 2003, 10:09 AM: Message edited by: m1 ]

I have to say I find it disheartening the way the board handled Dead Skin Mask. No, I don't agree with what he said, but the personal attacks ... how does that make you any better than Millen? Well, I'm sure you could field a better football team, but that's another argument altogether.

Anyway, if you want an interesting read, check out this thread. I'm bulldog55 (ignore my post count ... I spend WAY too much time there).

The key to the way DSM was treated can be found in the first sentence (Wahhhh!!! doesn't count as a sentence) of the very first post he made: Very, very poor form to log on to a board that you're not a regular on and in the very first sentence of your very first post, insult the members of said board.

Good riddance.

[ December 18, 2003, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]

So if DSW had gone onto a Jewish website and told the Jews they need to stop worrying about being called kikes or an African American site and told them to stop being so sensitive about being called niggers, would terminzer have come to his defense as well? Sorry but I am sick to death of these morons who come here each and every time there is a gays in sports related controversy and we are suppossed to bend over backwards and be all understanding. f**k him and f**k them.