mdphl
Jul 12 2004, 07:44 AM
I did a search and didn't (surprisingly) see a prior thread on this topic.
I'm finally trying to learn something about art. When I was out in SF a couple months ago I went to the Museum of Modern Art. Loved it. Also have been visiting the Philadelphia Museum of Art. I have a particular appreciation for Modern and Contemporary art.
Interested in hearing about other museums and others stories about art appreciation.
HotlantaTarheel
Jul 12 2004, 08:04 AM
I've never had any formal (or informal!) art education or training. And I have very little artistic talent either. However, I've always enjoyed travel and usually made it a point to visit the top notch museums in every city I visited. After doing this for years, I realized that I was developing a real apprecation for art and an impressive list of museums I've visited. My fascination has been with paintings and sculptures from the European masters. (sorry, no liking for the contemporary stuff) As a result, I've been grealy blessed in being able to visit the Louvre, the Orsay, the National Gallery, the British Museum, the Ufizzi, Gallerie Accademia, Museo Borghese, Museo Vatico, the Prado, the Chargall, the Picasso, and the Matisse as well as the Metropolitan and Smithsonian and others stateside. I think the Louvre and Museo Vatico (in Rome) are of course requirements from lovers of any type of art, but I would guess if your interest is modern you would definitely want to see the MOMA in New York.
Munson Man
Jul 12 2004, 08:57 AM
Well, museums are a subject near and dear to my heart. If you like modern art, MOMA in New York is a must-see. They've been in Queens the past few years while their space was being renovated, but I've seen the new digs on 53rd Street, and it's going to be spectacular - and will have triple the exhibition space that it did previously. The grand reopening is just before Thanksgiving. They really have the best permanent collection of contemporary work, but as far as traveling exhibitions go I'm a bit more partial to LaMOCA out in Californis - I think they're excellent at staging shows that resonate with the public. I also think the Guggenheim does an excellent job with temporary shows, but their perm collection is non-existent. SF MOMA lags a bit in my book - they seem to be more enamored with the underpinnings of art than with actually examining the inspiration for it.
Well, I just saw SFMOMA, and really enjoyed the William Kentridge exhibit of the film "Tide Table" and the charcoal sketches from it. I talked about it in the "movies you have seen" thread. Its permanent collection certainly doesn't hold a candle to MOMA in New York, though, which is one of my favorite museums in the world. I have a preference for museums that are focused and do one thing really well over omnibus museums like the Metropolitan. Other than MOMA, my favorite art museum is probably the Uffizzi. I have heard, though, that MOMA has reorganized its collection and is no longer presenting it in the traditional historical/movement focused approach? Is that correct?
That kind of disturbs me, because it brings to mind the Tate Modern's nonsensical "thematic" arrangement which made it impossible to even guess what room you would go to look for a particular artist. In fact, the same artist's work might be found in three different rooms there.
Adam
Jul 12 2004, 09:38 AM
Whenever work takes me to NY or Chicago, I always make a beeline to to MOMA, the Met, the Whitney, or the Art Institute. St. Louis' Forum for Contemporary Art is very good. In LA, the Norton Simon Museum is underrated and the Getty--despite its beautiful location--is overrated. Los Angeles County Museum of Art has a good Japanese pavillion, but other than that it's nothing special.
~Adam
Lksimcoe
Jul 12 2004, 10:39 AM
There are 2 museums that really grab me by the sort hairs.
The first, The Royal Ontario Museum, is an Edwardian masterpiece (soon to be totally f**kED by a Danial Leibskind addition) that has some of the best Chinese collections in the world, as well as a collection of old Masters.
My partner and I went their last December when they had an Art Deco exhibition. Truly fantastic.
The other museum is the Victoria and Albert in London. We were there in 2000, and spent a full day in it, and still didn't see it all. They have recently expanded it, so that a lot of their collections, kept in storage, can finally go out on display.
The 2 best parts of the V&A? The china collection (5th floor I think) and the sculpture/architecture gallery (main floor). Worth the price of admission all by itself!!!
Jerzoid
Jul 12 2004, 11:39 AM
mdphl, go to Amazon and buy yourself a copy of "Art: A New History" by Paul Johnson. It's an excellent introduction for someone new to the subject.
Lksimcoe, isn't the V&A the greatest? A gay man's wet dream: china, silver, jewelry, furniture, glass, gold, rugs..... on and on.
I may be going to London over Thanksgiving and can't wait to check out the expansion; I had not heard of it before.
JC, could you provide details on the Tate Modern? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. I think I'd go just to see the building itself.
[ July 12, 2004, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Jerzoid ]
theodoresdaddy
Jul 12 2004, 11:43 AM
I don't care for San Fran MOMA
I like the Legion of Honor much much better
MarinerFan
Jul 12 2004, 11:56 AM
Hey Jerzoid, going to the Tate Modern to see just the building is worth the trip. It is in a renovated old power plant. The layout can be tricky, but with the use of map pretty easy to get around. It is also nice as it sits on the thames.
Mike
Lksimcoe
Jul 12 2004, 12:52 PM
QUOTE
Jerzoid:
mdphl, go to Amazon and buy yourself a copy of \"Art: A New History\" by Paul Johnson. It's an excellent introduction for someone new to the subject.
Lksimcoe, isn't the V&A the greatest? A gay man's wet dream: china, silver, jewelry, furniture, glass, gold, rugs..... on and on.
I may be going to London over Thanksgiving and can't wait to check out the expansion; I had not heard of it before.
JC, could you provide details on the Tate Modern? I'm not sure exactly what you mean. I think I'd go just to see the building itself.
I read in the news about the addition. I'm not sure if it's been built, or if it's in the planning stages, but I remember the feedback being similar to the addition to the ROM here in Toronto, i.e. adding an ultra modern addition on a Victorian building. Ugly as shit!
And we went to the V&A as my husband, (aka his lordship) collects bone china. We are up to 6 sets (not counting what I inherited). I have absolutely no f**king idea why one person wants so many dishes.
And ys, I end up washing them once every 3 months or so.
Tate Modern currently is broken into floors based on general themes "Landscape/Matter/Environment, Nude/Action/Body, Still Life/Object/Real Life" and further subdivided into rooms--with names like "Inner Worlds". Effectively, each room contains paintings from different time periods which are supposed to be about similar ideas and works by individual artists works are scattered throughout the museum. For example, one Cezanne is in the Still Life/Object/Real Life section in the "Art of the Everyday" room, while another is in Landscape/Matter/Environment in the "Urban, Suburban, Rural" room. One Duchamp is under Nude/Action/Body under "Fetished Body" while another is under Still Life/Object/Real Life.
I guess it's a matter of taste, but I had two complaints about this. Firstly, if you don't feel like exploring the whole museum at once, it's difficult to say where the works you're going to be most interested in will be. Often the choice of rooms for a work seemed arbitrary. I also felt it forced the collection to serve the artistic vision of the museum director, rather than allowing the work to speak for itself.
Speaking of museum additions, after I read that the addition of a taller rectangular building to the Guggenheim made it resemble a toilet, it was impossible to view the building the same way.
fantomas
Jul 12 2004, 09:16 PM
I draw and paint, and have always loved the arts, so museums have a special place in my heart. My favorite of all is the Metropolitan Museum of Art in New York, which has one of the greatest collections in the world. I always discover something new in this museum.
Other favorite museums I've visited:
- Louvre (amazing--I've never had enough time to see all I've wanted there)
Art Institute of Chicago (excellent collection)
Museum of Modern Art NY (I also like visiting MOMA's Queens outpost)
Isabella Stewart Gardner Museum, Boston (exquisite museum and setting)
New Museum, NY (often fascinating shows)
Brooklyn Museum (very good collection, though it's under siege right now)
Studio Museum in Harlem, NY
Prado, Madrid
Picasso Museum, Paris
Frick Collection, NY
Pierpont Morgan Library, NY (especially the setting and interiors)
National Gallery of Art, Washington
Pompidou Center/Beaubourg, Paris
Museum of Fine Arts in Boston (another great museum)
St. Louis Museum of Art (excellent collection of German art)
Fogg and Busch Reisinger Art Museums at Harvard
Musée d'Orsay, Paris
Neue Galerie NY
National Portrait Gallery in Washington
Barnes Collection (extraordinary)
Philadelphia Museum of Art (has Duchamp's masterpieces)
British Museum (especially the Roman and Greek galleries and the new interior court and reading room)
Victoria & Albert
Rijksmuseum Netherlands
Tate Modern, London
Stedelijk Museum Amsterdam (very good collection of work by El Lissitzsky, Malevich, etc.)
I love the interior of the Guggenheim in New York and the exterior of the Institute of the Arab World in Paris. Museums I hope to see at some point are Guggenheim Bilbao, Kimbell Museum, the Museo Thyssen-Bornemisza, Hermitage, Jewish Museum in Berlin, National Museum of Modern Art in Tokyo, the Huntington Library, the various museums in Berlin, Munich, and Vienna, and the Getty.
[ July 12, 2004, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: fantomas ]
judemorrison
Jul 13 2004, 02:16 PM
I agree, Fantomas, the Met is one of the world's best. I've lived in NYC for years and have been going to the Metropolitan since I arrived from Florida, and it's always a joy. Another great (albeit small) museum is in my home state: the Salvador Dali museum in St. Petersburg, Fla. It has one of the biggest collections of his work, and if you're into Dali, you have to visit.
sportinlife
Jul 13 2004, 02:41 PM
I'm looking forward to seeing the native american antiquities collections in Costa Rica. The museum in Mexico City only wetted my appetite for more detail about the adz-like pieces so common in central and south america as well as those huge mysterious stone spheres they made. Hopefully the
Jade Museum will be a good place to start.
[ July 13, 2004, 02:42 PM: Message edited by: sportinlife ]
MichiganJock
Jul 13 2004, 05:12 PM
One of my favorite museums is the Toledo Museum of Art. You might scoff, but go visit it sometime. It is truely a world class museum.
fantomas
Jul 13 2004, 09:31 PM
QUOTE
sportinlife:
I'm looking forward to seeing the native american antiquities collections in Costa Rica. The museum in Mexico City only wetted my appetite for more detail about the adz-like pieces so common in central and south america as well as those huge mysterious stone spheres they made. Hopefully the
Jade Museum will be a good place to start.
This museum sounds cool. Have you ever visited the Museum of the American Indian, which used to be in Washington Heights in upper Manhattan, but now is right down near Bowling Green, in the old Customs House, I believe, near Wall Street? It's part of the Smithsonian, and definitely worth seeing. It has whetted my desire to see more intact Native historic and cultural one of these days.
CPT_Doom
Jul 14 2004, 07:35 AM
I had the marvelous opportunity to go to college in the same town as the Sterling and Francine Clark Art Institute, which boasts one of the largest Impressionist collections in the world. This place blew me away when I first saw it, especially as my family was not that cultural (my father liked to embarass us by pronouncing Renoir, Manet and Monet as "Renner," "Man-ette" and "Mo-nette"), and left me with a lifelong love of these artists.
Interesting side note: apparently the Clarks' set the museum high in the Berkshires because they figured that was the least likely place to get nuked - the paintings would survive, even if humanity didn't.
I also live in museum central here in DC, and we are truly spoiled. Not only do we have the local resources, but so many traveling exhibits come here as well. Of course, I tend to hit the museums when I have friends or relatives in town. One of my favorites, though, the Portrait Gallery, has been closed since 2000, and is not due to open again until 2006 (sigh).
Living in DC also spoils you - when I do have some free time on business trips, I do try to hit local museums, but am always offended when they charge admission (or even worse, the dreaded "recommended contribution"). Everything's free here in DC, and I like it that way.
sportinlife
Jul 14 2004, 06:52 PM
Yes fantomas I have seen the National Museum of the American Indian originally founded by
George Gustav Heye. Interesting guy. Reminds me of the eccentric
Albert Barnes whose art collection is one of the most interesting exhibits in the Philadelphia region.
Most of the Heye collection I believe is being transferred to a new facility in DC.
I was doing genealogical research and visited a very good temporary exhibit of photographs from the 19th and early 20th century, of institutions established to "re-educate" Native Americans and integrate them into western culture.
Though I hope to revisit the Washington facility I'll miss the grand old New York location. I saw it not long after 9/11 and the globe from that site was nearby in Battery Park - eerily beautiful hovering among the trees like a UFO.
Chitownjeepjock
Jul 14 2004, 09:26 PM
Don't forget that even smaller cities and out-of-way places can have some AWESOME displays. Among these, I'd count the Barnes outside Philly (collection of a quirky doctor who specified that nothing ever be added, removed, or moved), the Kimball in Fort Worth (excellent Western art in a really cool building designed by Louis Kahn that's worth a visit alone) and the Eiteljorg in Indianapolis and the University of BC in Vancouver(both top-tier Native American collections).
PennState4Ever
Jul 14 2004, 10:18 PM
The National Museum on the American Indian opens on the Mall in Washington on September 21. The building is a beautiful design of flowing, rounded contours. Directly opposite I.M. Pei's East Wing of the National Gallery, it's a great contrast to the the predominant archeticure of the other Smithsonian Museums.
As a Pittsburgh native, I have to give a shout out to the Andy Warhol Museum and to the Carnegie...well worth a visit. The Egyptian Museum in Cairo is a phenomenal experience (as is all of Egypt).
theodoresdaddy
Jul 15 2004, 12:23 PM
I grew up going to the Carneige and I was pleasantly surprised by the Portland Museum of Art
also--when you're in San Fran--check out the new Asian Art Museum
sjtexasex
Jul 15 2004, 04:21 PM
I'm glad somebody mentioned the Kimball in Fort Worth. The great museums of the world mentioned in this thread don't need any further plugs, but I will mention that if you are ever in the DFW area there are few must stops for museum lovers.
The Kimball is actually not a museum of western art (see Amon Carter below) it features classic works and is known as the best small museum in the country. It's building, designed by Louis Kahn, is outstanding.
The Museum of Modern Art in Fort Worth is also worth a stop. The building itself, designed by Tadao Ando, is awesome. The collection is nice and it's across the street from the Kimball.
The Amon Carter features American artists and is known for its collection of Remingtons. It's not my thing, but it's very popular.
In Dallas, the new Nasher Sculpture Garden is really nice and shows off the most sought after private collection of modern sculpture in the world. The building was designed by Renzo Piano and it's a great, peaceful retreat in downtown.
Hook 'em
Chargersfan
Jul 15 2004, 05:45 PM
Speaking of Texas museums, the often overlooked Menil Collection in Houston is one of the best private museums in the world, designed by the incomparable Renzo Piano in a simple, yet technologically revolutionary, design that complements the "Dominique grey" of the surrounding neighborhood houses, many owned by the de Menil family of Schlumberger oil services ties, and inhabited by employees of the museums and related sites and artists. The neighborhood and museum are a peaceful oasis near the middle of Houston, near the Montrose gay clubs and bars.
The Menil Collection houses the once personal collection of Dominique and John de Menil, an ecclectic and wide-ranging array of objects and paintings from Egypt and Greece to Magritte and Warhol. They also have interesting and whimsical contemporary exhibits. Dominique de Menil was also a fine humanitarian and philanthropist, with a great liberal (in the true sense of the world) outlook. The de Menils personally knew many of the great artists of the 20th century as well as many statesmen and leaders of the time. The de Menils and their offshoots are also responsible for the Dia collections and installations in New York, Texas and New Mexico.
In the same neighborhood, and founded and/or funded by the de Menils, are the Cy Twombly gallery (also designed by Piano), the Byzantine Fresco Chapel (preserving intact Byzantine frescoes from Cyprus in a gorgeous, intimate setting), the Rothko Chapel (original design by Philip Johnson with the last paintings by Mark Rothko) and the various Philip Johnson buildings on the St. Thomas University campus. All surround, and are within walking distance of, the Menil Collection.
I cannot recommend this museum and the area enough. I go every time I visit Houston. I also highly suggest you give Houston itself a look and consideration, a city which is surprisingly culturally rich and diverse, not only the suburban, sprawl and cultural desert most imagine. It is, after all, in the desert that dreams come to fruition (credit to John de Menil for that quote about Houston).
Chitownjeepjock
Jul 15 2004, 07:25 PM
QUOTE
sjtexasex:
The Kimball is actually not a museum of western art (see Amon Carter below) it features classic works and is known as the best small museum in the country. It's building, designed by Louis Kahn, is outstanding.
The Amon Carter features American artists and is known for its collection of Remingtons. It's not my thing, but it's very popular.
Hook 'em
My fault...sorry about that. I confused the two museums' collections and their buildings. However, I still really recommend them both a lot!
Another good place to see some nice works is the Art Gallery at the Bellagio in Las Vegas. It's not a city known for "fine art," but they rotate some awesome stuff through that small space...and it can be a nice break from the casinos' glitz and clatter.
savvy
Jul 15 2004, 10:32 PM
QUOTE
Adam:
Whenever work takes me to NY or Chicago, I always make a beeline to to MOMA, the Met, the Whitney, or the Art Institute. St. Louis' Forum for Contemporary Art is very good. In LA, the Norton Simon Museum is underrated and the Getty--despite its beautiful location--is overrated. Los Angeles County Museum of Art has a good Japanese pavillion, but other than that it's nothing special.
~Adam
LACMA is actually getting a makeover. Rem Koolhaas was originally going to do the makeover but now that honor belongs to Renzo Piano.
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