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MiamiSpartan
Yea, we still have tons of people down here without electricity and water...Broward got hammered, and they had a lot of structural damage, too...
SoFlaSpartan
I've been calling the guys on my Ft. Lauderdale-based softball team, and all but one of them is still without power. Several of them are also seeing their boyfriends start to get cranky (an "If you loved me, I wouldn't have to take a cold shower" sort of thing), so it is starting to mess with people's heads. Our shortstop fished his roof out of his next door neighbor's pool, and our pitcher lost his apartment (the roof's gone) and will be relocated by FEMA within the next ten days. Most of the traffic signals in Broward County (Ft. Lauderdale) are still not working, and the curfew is still in effect. Nope, nothing normal down there yet. I did manage to get my power back. Was out six days. But areas across the canal that runs behind my back yard still don't have it back.
Munson Man
I can attest to Broward still being a mess. We got power back last Wednesday night, but west of the Intracoastal most places are still in the dark. I got back here Saturday morning and as of last night it's still at least an hour wait for gas at any station, and good luck finding anything at the supermarket - it's mainly just cereal, some canned soup, and not much more. Very few restaurants are open, and it's downright dangerous trying to drive anywhere - especially after dark, which is now an hour earlier. I also had a very disturbing conversation with my wind insurance company last night. Their position is that while they will cover rugs, furniture, repainting, etc. all the blown out windows are my expense, with them only covering the difference in cost to upgrade from standard windows to hurricane windows. Apparently my homeowners policy will then cover the standard cost, but each window is considered a separate event and subject to a deductible. Translation: with six missing windows my out-of-pocket cost is going to be a huge! frown
so fla ref
I've lived in South Florida for almost 8 years now, and had always wondered what a hurricane would be like...didn't want one, but wondered what it would be like. Let's just say that the whole 'novelty' thing has worn off. Fortunately my building was spared any real damage. We still have no electricity and had no running water for almost 3 days. Finally got internet service back at work. Fortunately I have a good friend who invited me to stay at his house until I get power. It just means that I have to be nice to his boyfriend...which is a chore. But it sure could be worse. I hope everyone down here can get back to 'normal' soon.
Allen
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MIB
Can you find the mysterious "2" in Wilma? What does it mean? What's the significance of Wilma's mysterious "2"? eek! eek!

Can you see it? Hint: pay attention to Wilma's eye.

The mysterious \"2\".
phillyrunner
She was just warning everyone that she would be a Cat. 2 over Florida.

Speaking of storms, I have heard that storm names are recycled every six years unless a particular storm did major damage and then it is retired. So if we get more than 21 storms next year, will Alpha and Beta not be used again?
Joe in Philly
When they retire a name they just add a different name that starts with the same letter.

I don't know what they'd do if a storm named after a letter of the Greek alphabet were so catastrophic as to warrant retirement.
metromathis13
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Joe in Philly:
When they retire a name they just add a different name that starts with the same letter.

I don't know what they'd do if a storm named after a letter of the Greek alphabet were so catastrophic as to warrant retirement.
I thought about this, and I came to the conclusion that because the Greek alphabet is the secondary system, not the primary one, they probably wouldn't retire the name.
chi-town
If one hit in California they'd have to call it, like, Omega! biggrin.gif
MiamiSpartan
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metromathis13:
 
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Joe in Philly:
When they retire a name they just add a different name that starts with the same letter.

I don't know what they'd do if a storm named after a letter of the Greek alphabet were so catastrophic as to warrant retirement.
I thought about this, and I came to the conclusion that because the Greek alphabet is the secondary system, not the primary one, they probably wouldn't retire the name.
Yes they would. They will never allow a horrible hurricane name to be repeated, whether it is a name or a letter.
metromathis13
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MiamiSpartan:
Yes they would.  They will never allow a horrible hurricane name to be repeated, whether it is a name or a letter.
The question then becomes, what do you suppose they'd do if they got that far again? For example, say the name Beta was retired this year. What will the 23rd storm of a successive season (knock on wood we never hit that again) be named? I mean, I guess they could skip Beta and go right to Gamma.
so fla ref
OK, it's official. FP&L sucks! I'm on Day 15 without power as I peer across the street at my neighbors sitting comfortably in their apartments watching TV. Unfortunately, they don't watch the same programs I like. To make matters worse, this is the second storm in a row this season that my building and the one right next to us have been in the dark while the rest of the neighborhood has been lit up.

Oh, and other FP&L customers will be happy to hear that they have announced today a proposed rate increase of up to 16% for next year. I'm guessing that they would have had a better reaction to this news had there not still been 100,000 customers in Broward County without power tonight. And that rate increase is only for the increase in fuel prices...apparently doesn't take into account the cost of restoring power to the region. We'll likely get that bill soon, too. So, I say again...Florida Power & Light SUCKS!
J eddie
I noticed one of our other posters "Sterlingman" is still not on the boards.I have a feeling he is facing the same situation.We have corresponded many times over e-mail but I have not heard from him for over 2 weeks.
MIB
The hits just keep on coming.

The 27th tropical system of the season is here.
so fla ref
Woo hoo! Just as things are returning back to being somewhat normal. Can't wait for another one. rolleyes.gif Fortunately, the predictions for what will become Tropical Storm Gamma keep it far away from here...mainly a Central American concern. Which isn't such a great thing either, since I'm going to Costa Rica on Saturday. I'm beginning to wonder who I pissed off.
MIB
Maybe we should add to the "People Who Should be Shot" thread those who go to Central America of the Caribbean DURING HURRICANE SEASON! biggrin.gif
so fla ref
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MIB:
Maybe we should add to the \"People Who Should be Shot\" thread those who go to Central America of the Caribbean DURING HURRICANE SEASON!    :D  
Yeah, I thought about that too. But this is one of my 'offseasons' between h.s. football playoffs and the start of the h.s. basketball season. Plus, I have a 'friend' down there whom I've known for about two years. He turns 22 next month, so I want to go down and help him 'celebrate.' And it would be a tragic shame if the rain kept us inside. biggrin.gif Just so long as there are no mud slides!

[ November 16, 2005, 10:13 PM: Message edited by: so fla ref ]
rye67
I considered Hurricane season as I booked my CR trip for August, but it passed without much incident - just some regular rain. My retun flight was via MIA, 2 days before the Aug 25 Katrina visit, so no hassle for me. Enjoy CR, great country, great scenery, great men!
so fla ref
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rye67:
 Enjoy CR, great country, great scenery, great men!
As some of our Southern brothers and sisters might say, 'You ain't just a whislin' dixie!' This will be my 5th trip in the last year and a half. You're right, it is a great country with great scenery and great men. Just saw a weather report and it seems most of the real nasty stuff will stay to the north in Hondouras and Nicaragua, so I may luck out.
MIB
Tropical Storm Gamma forms. It could hit Florida next week as a hurricane.

Happy Thanksgiving, Key West, eh? eek!
MiamiSpartan
son of a bitch. frown
Joe in Philly
It's kind of iffy as to if it'll become a hurricane and where it will go, according to the last report from the hurricane center.
phillyrunner
The water temps around Florida have cooled off quite a bit from last month when they were in the low 80s, now mostly in the 70s. So I don't know strong it would get.

Florida water temps
Munson Man
Jesus H. Christ!

News reports down here this morning were forecasting a path similar to Wilma's, with the center slightly farther south, and less wind but more rain, with landfall expected Monday or Tuesday. Of course, Monday I'm supposed to go over to Naples to pick up my new car (my old one was done in by a felled tree during Hurricane Katrina in August), and Tuesday I'm supposed to FINALLY get a visit from the insurance co. appraiser who's working on my claim for wind and water damage from Hurricane Wilma.

I'm SO sick of this.
W.
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MIB:
It could hit Florida next week as a hurricane.
The National Hurricane Center has consistently forecast this to be a tropical storm, never a hurricane. Current discussion calls for it to have winds no more than 50mph.
MIB
Forecasts change all the time. In their original discussion, they indicated they expected it to become a hurricane by the time it hit Florida. Now they're saying it probably won't even hit Florida period.

Considering they vastly underestimated Wilma's intensity when she made landfall, don't ever assume anything this hurricane season.
so fla ref
I'm very happy to report that the weather in Costa Rica has been fabulous. And the time spent with my Tico boyfriend even better! Now, as for Gamma...go away already! Don't spoil my trip, don't spoil or delay my return home...just go away! (There...do you think that will work?)
J eddie
And...I'm happy to report that I just heard from my friend Sterlingman and he is okay!!!!

[ November 23, 2005, 12:12 PM: Message edited by: eddiecat ]
Joe in Philly
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeere's Delta!

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MIAMI -- Tropical Storm Delta - the 25th storm of the busiest hurricane season in history - formed in the central Atlantic on Wednesday, but the only threat it posed was to ships at sea, forecasters said.

Delta had sustained winds of about 60 mph and could briefly strengthen into the 14th hurricane of the season, the National Hurricane Center in Miami reported.

\"It's way out there in the middle of nowhere,\" hurricane specialist Stacy Stewart said. \"It shouldn't threaten the United States or probably any other land area for that matter.\"  
MIB
Would it surprise anyone here if even after the "official" end of the season on November 30th that yet another tropical system forms? rolleyes.gif

This just never seems to end this year.
Joe in Philly
Wasn't there a storm in December just in the last year or two?

Lambda, the first openly gay storm, is just seven storms away. Come on, tropical weather, go nuts! We want Lambda! We want Lambda! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

[ November 23, 2005, 05:01 PM: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
Seph
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Joe in Philly:
Lambda, the first openly gay storm,...
It'll be the first storm in history that doesn't destroy homes, but just sweeps through and redecorates. wink
MIB
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Joe in Philly:
Wasn't there a storm in December just in the last year or two?
Indeed. In 2003, the longest tropical season since 1952--when a tropical storm formed on February 2nd--saw Odette and Peter form in December 2003. T.S. Ana formed that same year on April 21st.

BTW, according to the NHC, the earliest Atlantic hurricane ever recorded was on March 7th, 1908, while the latest was on December 31st, 1954, which persisted into January 1955.

[ November 23, 2005, 05:54 PM: Message edited by: MIB ]
MIB
It ain't over yet!

Here is Tropical Storm Epsilon in the central Atlantic.

The 26th named storm of the season.

The average is 11.

And today NOAA/NHC forecasters said 2006 is expected to be "just as bad."
Joe in Philly
Six storms to Lambda! I want a Lambda for Christmas!!! biggrin.gif
Joe in Philly
Epsilon became yet another hurricane, and in fact, well, let's let these blog entries from yesterday and today say it all:

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December 4, 2005
Epsilon refuses to obey the rules. Not only has Epsilon refused to die as expected--it has strengthened in the past day to near Category 2 strength. Epsilon is traversing 22-23C waters, which are a full four degrees C (7 F) below what is normally thought of as the minimum needed to allow a hurricane to strengthen. The upper level winds are unfavorable--Epsilon was been under 20 knots of shear the past two days. It is unusual to see a hurricane intensify in the face of 20 knots of shear (although Wilma managed to do so). It is unheard of for a hurricane to intensify in the face of 20 knots of shear, and with 22C water temperatures under it. Like I've been saying about this entire Hurricane Season of 2005, the normal rules do not apply. Epsilon is another storm that we do not understand, and I hope someone out there in grad school is taking data on this storm and writing a Ph.D. thesis on it!  
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December 05, 2005
This hurricane refuses to die, despite cold waters and high wind shear. The latest model projections continue to keep it as a hurricane for at least two more days, which would make 2005 break the record for most number of hurricane days (50, set in 1995) and most number of days with a named tropical storm (120.5, set in 1995). Beyond three days from now, I really don't see how the storm can survive, since wind shear levels will increase to more than 50 knots, which will surely tear the storm apart. Nothing else is brewing in the tropics, although there is a marginal possibility of something developing north of Panama a week or so from now.
So I guess my dreams of openly gay Tropical Storm Lambda just won't come true. sad.gif Then again, this year's been so unpredictable...check out this info from the same blog:

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Seasonal records set in 2005

- Most tropical storms: 26. Old record: 21 in 1933.
- Most hurricanes: 14. Old record: 12 in 1969.
- Most Category 5 hurricanes: 3 (Katrina, Rita, Wilma. Emily may be classified as a Category 5 upon re-analysis.) Old record: 2 in 1960 and 1961.
- Most hurricane names to be retired: 6 (Dennis, Emily, Katrina, Rita, Stan, Wilma, and possibly others). Previous record: 4 in 1955, 1995, and 2004.
- Most major hurricanes: 7 (Dennis, Emily, Katrina, Maria, Rita, Wilma, Beta). Ties record of 7 set in 1950.
- Most major hurricanes to hit the U.S.: 4 (Dennis, Katrina, Rita, Wilma). Previous record: 3 in 1893, 1909, 1933, and 1954.
- Most damage ever recorded in a hurricane season: $150 billion. Previous record: approximately $50 billion dollars (normalized to 2005 dollars) set in 1992 and 2004.

Notable near records for the season
- Second highest number of tropical storms to hit U.S.: 7 (The record was 8 in 1916 and 2004). Note that Hurricane Ophelia is not considered a U.S. strike, although it did bring hurricane conditions to the North Carolina coast.
- Second highest number of hurricanes to kill 1000+ people: 2 (Katrina and Stan). All time record: 3 (1780).
- Second highest number of named storm days: About 115 and counting, as Epsilon continues. All time record: 120.5 (1995). (This info is a few days old -- as of now only two more days of Epsilon will break the record)

Single storm records:

- Strongest Atlantic hurricane ever: Wilma, 882 mb central pressure. Old record: Hurricane Gilbert (1988), 888 mb.
- Fastest intensification ever by an Atlantic hurricane: Wilma. Wilma's pressure dropped from 982 millibars to 882 millibars in 24 hours on Oct 19, a rate of 4.2 millibars an hour. Previous record: Gilbert (1988) dropped 3 mb/hour over 24 hours. Wilma's pressure fell 9.7 mb/hour over six hours early on Oct. 19, beating Hurricane Beulah's drop of 6.3 mb/hour in six hours in 1967.
- Most damaging hurricane ever: Katrina, $100 billion plus. Old record: Hurricane Andrew (1992), $50 billion in 2005 dollars.
- Greatest storm surge from an Atlantic hurricane: Katrina, 28-30 feet. Old record: Hurricane Camille (1969), 24.6 feet.
- Dennis became the most intense hurricane on record before August when a central pressure of 930 mb was recorded.
- Emily eclipsed the record previously set by Dennis for lowest pressure recorded for a hurricane before August when its central pressure reached 929 mb.
- Vince was the furthest north and east that a storm has ever developed in the Atlantic basin.
- Vince was the first tropical cyclone in recorded history to strike the Iberian Peninsula.
- Delta was the first tropical cyclone in recorded history to strike the Canary Islands.

Seasonal records

June
- Two named storms formed (Arlene and Bret). Only 1957, 1959, 1968, and 1986 had two or more named storms form during the month of June.

July
- Five named storms formed (Cindy, Dennis, Emily, Franklin, and Gert). This is the most on record for July.
- Two major hurricanes formed (Dennis and Emily). This is the most on record.
- 25.25 named storm days occurred. This is the most on record.
- 10.75 hurricane days occurred. This is the most on record.
- 5.75 intense hurricane days occurred. This is the most on record.

August
- Five named storms formed (Harvey, Irene, Jose, Katrina and Lee). Only 1990, 1995 and 2004 had more than five named storms form during the month of August.

September
- Five hurricanes formed (Maria, Nate, Ophelia, Philippe and Rita). This ties 1955, 1969, 1981, 1998 and 2000 for the most hurricanes to form during the month of September.

October
- Six named storms formed (Stan, Tammy, Vince, Wilma, Alpha and Beta). This ties 1950 for the most named storm formations during the month of October.
- Four hurricanes formed (Stan, Vince, Wilma and Beta). Only 1950 had more hurricanes develop during the month of October.
- Two major hurricanes formed (Wilma and Beta). This ties 1950, 1961, 1964 and 1995 for the most intense hurricanes to form during the month of October.
- Five intense hurricane days occurred. Only 1954 and 1961 recorded more intense hurricane days.

November
- Three tropical storms formed in November (Gamma, Delta, and Epsilon). This breaks the record of two storms set in six years, most recently in 2001.

Earliest Storm Formation records
- Earliest formation of a season's 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 19th, 20th, 21st, 22nd, 23rd, 24th, 25th and 26th storms.
eek!
MIB
Katrina has been officially downgraded in its intensity when it hit land. It came ashore weaker than expected.

Here's the story.
millerbeach
So what are the excuses for the failed levee now? If I am not mistaken, officials thought a cat. 5 hit the levee, now it appears it was only a cat. 3, of which the levee, if it were constructed properly, was designed to withstand. Hmm, more questions than answers about this one.
MIB
Don't you know? It was blown up! tongue.gif

Anyway, the 27th named storm of the "season" has formed today!

Say hello to Tropical Storm Zeta!?

Thankfully, he/she won't be that strong or last that long this time of the year.

[ December 30, 2005, 11:07 AM: Message edited by: MIB ]
Joe in Philly
From the latest discussion:

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Although the atmosphere seems to want to develop tropical storms ad nauseam...the calendar will shortly put an end to the use of the Greek alphabet to name them.
No Lambda this year. Dammit! We'll just have to have lots of these Zeta-type storms between January and April to build up the total early, so we can get to Lambda next year. 2006: The Year of the Openly Gay Hurricane! biggrin.gif
Joe in Philly
From a blog at philly.com:

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As you can see on this tracking map from the National Hurricane Center posted above, forecasters are expecting Zeta to make at least two very sharp curves as it makes its way over the Atlantic.
Joe in Philly
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MIB:
Thankfully, he/she won't be that strong or last that long this time of the year.
I didn't know Zeta was still around -- but it is
finally dead. The 2005 season is finally over for real -- but only because it's 2006, of course. wink
MIB
Finally.
hockeyTom
Just what New Orleans did not need happened this morning. I just read a headline off msnbc, where two tornadoes went through the city early this morning. Thankfully no loss of life, but some fairly widespread damage was done. Good grief. What next? rolleyes.gif Those poor people.
MIB
God's wrath continues against that decadent city.

(Uh, right, Mayor Nagin?) biggrin.gif
Chill-Trick
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millerbeach
Paging Pat Robertson...Paging Pat Robertson...anything stupid to say about the latest weather in New Orleans?
hockeyTom
Hey for any of you guys down in the Gulf Coast area, I have a question I wanted to ask. This morning while seeing a story on Mardi Gras going on down in NOLA, I was thinking, I haven't heard one thing, one story one mention at all about if those lovely grand plantation homes, how, if they survived the two hurricanes last year? If anyone knows, I would love to know. I have so many memories of visiting them all over the past many visits to the area.
MiamiSpartan
I have no first hand knowledge, but I understand that all the historical districts survived...
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