Oh i almost forgot.. yeah, i am biased.. but i've never looked at dmac, koy or AJ and thought of them as a black qb or a white qb. Which is why, when i heard rush say that.. i was taken back.

The comment was sorta dumb. If anything, scrambling QB's are exciting (vick).. pocket passers tend to be boring (brad joshson).. hence the scrambler gets more press... in the end, i think that is the issue.. not color.

He probably went deaf from listening to himself while he was taping his radio shows. I wonder about the "careful design" though. Right wing kooks have carte blanche to bash gays, but making racial/racist remarks tends to get one fired pretty quick. Let's hope, in this case.

McNabb: Too late for Limbaugh apology

Not that he expects one, that is...and he also said that the others in the studio should have confronted Limbaugh.

"sorta dumb"

It smells of "dumb", typical of Rush though. I'd LOVE to see him canned over it - thus his "dream job" turns into a nightmare.

When is his hearing going to go for good???

Democratic presidential candidate Wesley Clark called on ABC/ESPN to fire Limbaugh.

Here's your research, which takes all of about 5 mins to do.

(both players first 4 years as a starter)

Running-Cunningham

GP GS RP TY AVE TD's
1987 Philadelphia Eagles 12 12 76 505 6.6 3
1988 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 93 624 6.7 6
1989 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 104 621 6.0 4
1990 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 118 942 8.0 5

Running-McNabb

1999 Philadelphia Eagles 12 6 47 313 6.7 0
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 86 629 7.3 6
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 82 482 5.9 2
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 10 10 63 460 7.3 6

Passing-McNabb


YEAR TEAM G GS Att Comp Pct Yds YPA Lg TD Int Rate
1999 Philadelphia Eagles 12 6 216 106 49.1 948 4.39 63 8 7 60.1
2000 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 569 330 58.0 3365 5.91 70 21 13 77.8
2001 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 493 285 57.8 3233 6.56 64 25 12 84.3
2002 Philadelphia Eagles 10 10 361 211 58.4 2289 6.34 59 17 6 86.0

Passing-Cunningham


1987 Philadelphia Eagles 12 12 406 223 54.9 2786 6.9 70t 23 12 83.0
1988 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 560 301 53.8 3808 6.8 80t 24 16 77.6
1989 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 532 290 54.5 3400 6.4 66t 21 15 75.5
1990 Philadelphia Eagles 16 16 465 271 58.3 3466 7.5 95t 30 13 91.6


Now PF, you still want to spew off how the only similarity between Cunningham and McNabb is they are black?

If you want to get "technical" Cunningham had higher QB ratings than McNabb.

McNabb is not a scrambler, neither was Randall Cunningham. The knock on Cunningham in Philadelphia, was he had "happy" feet, and wouldn't look for the second and third option before tucking it in and taking off...thats what a "running" QB is. McNabb is no different. First sign of pressure, and he takes off running...he's not "scrambling" looking to pass, he looks to RUN. Thats the definition of a running QB.

BTW, since I doubt you know...Bobby Douglass was a WHITE QB, that was gonna "revelutionize" the NFL with his ability to run. You conviently neglected to drop him from the discussion, as to say the only reason the comparison was made was due to skin color.

My b/f is a person of color and to assume I make that comparison because of skin tone, is dead wrong. :mad:

i really hope you dont think i tried to turn that into a black thing on your part.. ie racist...

I don't think anyone should be surprised that Rush made the statement about McNabb, or that the first response is to call people who disagree with it "politically correct" or whatever. That's such a cop out it's ridiculous. Limbaugh is simply a loud-mouthed, right-wing, unqualified white male who shouldn't be on the show, just as Michael Irvin shouldn't be on the show. And as for the media seeking a "black superstar QB," I think that's just crapola. McNabb is a talented, sometimes very good QB, but he's often worked with a staff that's been less talented than some of his competitors. I think he should face McNabb, man to man, in the bowels of the Eagles' stadium....

PhillyFan..I dont think that what you said should have offended la meatman and i am sure that was not your intent. I dont think that Randall's career and McNabb's career are that comparable when you look at their record in the playoffs..your point about that was never answered..scrambling quarterbacks never do that well in the super bowl..elway and young being the exceptions.. look at fran tarkenton..was it four or five time he went to the super bowl and lost? I wish Rush had made same comments about Jake Plummer as he did about Donovan...oops I forgot he is white

Rush Limbaugh made this a race issue. It was orchestrated to create controversy.

If he didn't want this to be a race issue, his logic could have gone something like this: "You know, the Philly defense is the key to the success of this team. Many of you think it's McNabb, the scrambling q-back. Sure he's exciting, but the defense is the key." This might be an example of how Rush could make his point without shooting himself in the foot. Positive statement pure and simple.

But Rush can't help himself. He's been allowed to convolute so many things about the political, social and economic realities of the US. His listeners buy into it hook, line and sinker.

I'm assuming he thought by inserting the race issue and blaming the media for political correctness would make him appear to be some latter-day Will Rogers for White America.

Well, it doesn't. And now even more people have become aware of it.

Your 15 minutes are nearly up, Rush. Please make it a graceful exit.

[quote]Joe in Philly
[QB]

[QUOTE]\"I think the sum total of what you're all saying is that Donovan McNabb is regressing, he's going backwards. And...I'm sorry to say this, I don't think he's been that good from the get-go.

\"I think what we've had here is a little social concern in the NFL. I think the media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well; I think there is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve. [/quote]Thank you Joe for posting the ACUTAL quote, and not the various forms that are surfacing, particularly by the philly press, and the Clark Campaign.

I do not like Rush Limbaugh, and I also feel ESPN pregame now sucks. However, I beleive this statement is accurate. One only needs to look at the NFL's handling of the Mariucci ordeal in Detroit, to realize that the NFL is concerned that black head coaches are given theh opportunity to succeed. (as do I)

The bigoted,caucasion, NFL fan...in which there are many, still is of the beleif, that a QB must be "white" to be great. Go into any honky-tonk, corner tavern (and you'll here the same crap spewed in philly too) that think a black QB can't be a champion. What Rush articulated, was quite factual. All someone has to do is be around 15 blue collar workers and talk about the best QB's, and you're gonna here a racist remark from someone. Thats dead wrong, and what Rush was saying, is that the NFL wants to put that notion to rest for good. They do want success from black QB's, as well as head coaches.

I hope someday, we will all see the end of racism in America. I wish ESPN would remove Rush, not for that statement...that would be equally as wrong. Because that statement was accurate, as well as revelant

Can anyone tell me WHY this ignoranous was hired to be on a sports show in the first place. I was watching live when he said these remarks and have since completely stopped watching ESPN and stopped going to ESPN.com. If he is removed, I will return.

When one thinks of the news or entities that "report" things about teams and sports, whether good news or bad, I feel most of the time what they are reporting is to benefit the public. This is NO way was benefitting anyone. I do not feel his comments were in any way truthful. And just to think, this is what his "Dream Job" is all about and ESPN gave him the forum for it.

I haven't watched a second of Rush on ESPN and this current little ploy to be the next Howard Cosell is not working on me. I won't be watching in the future to see what his next over-the-top blatherings are either.

It's a stunt for more viewers and press. He's certainly getting the second part.

He went deaf once, it's now time for mute.

Did anyone see Bob Ley break this all down on SportsCenter tonight? Interesting perspectives raised, and Ley did a good job of facilitating. Mitch Albom participated, and he rocked.

If this episode repeats later tonight or tomorrow a.m., try to catch it...

Rush just quit.
It's being announced on ESPN right now.

And...it's online now:
http://msn.espn.go.com/gen/news/2003/1001/1628537.html

Good riddance, Rush! -- don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out....now if we can only get that bigot to quit his radio show, we'll really be making progress!

Good riddance!

The thing that made me laugh is the ESPN honcho earlier in the day saying it wasn't a "politically motivated" remark. EVERYTHING he does is politically motivated.

Hmm, I did not like dennis miller, nor Rush a sports show IMHO is just that....
If that is what Rush thinks then ESPN should not expect him to say less.
While I do not agree, whatwould you expect him to say?

Why the hell did ESPN even hire him? Even if I loved Rush, I don't think he should be some ESPN NFL commentator or analyst. Why is it that broadcast outlets keep thinking celebrities have some unique outlook on something in which they're completely uninvolved?

What's next? Brittany Spears as a Crossfire panelist?

Suggesting that Rush's comments were accurate and relevant is beyond belief.

Donovan McNabb is the Eagles' qb because he's the best talent on the team. He has had a significant role in their success. (One could ask: How can a qb not have a significant role?)

There's no evidence the Philly fans, media, the NFL office, Paul Tagliabue or anyone else has gone out of their way to promote Mr. McNabb because he's black.

If you have evidence, la_meatman, give it to us. Make us believers.

I'm just upset that we never got to see Rush with his new and improved hot body in a thong!

This is verging on perverse! Come on, isn't envisioning any of the NFL's teams' rosters in thongs enough? (Even the really bad ones, like Chicago, have Brian Urlacher....)

Thank GOD he's gone!!! I'm SURE his resignation was forced by ESPN. His ego would have said "I'm staying", he had already took credit for the increased ratings. Hell will be more complete once Rush arrives.

I agree - Thank God he is gone. It is one thing to spew his thoughts on a radio show where most of his audience agrres with his every word. It is a whole different game where his audience does not all worship every word he says. It is one thing to say that someone is a crappy player but quite another to imply that his race is the reason for play time. Rush should have known that he could not have gotten away with that comment. He can cry and whine all he wants about the PC police on his radio show for the next two weeks. All of his listeners will agree - but the rest of us will not have to hear him.

Nah Nah Nah Nah Hey Hey Hey Goodbye!!!!

When he was first hired he swore he'd not bring any of his political views to the ESPN show. But first he makes his asinine comments about black QBs. Though he didn't use the terms "affimative action" or "racial quotas" that's essentially what he what saying. Then he defends his comments by blaming the "liberal media". Earth to Rush, these are political slants!

This past Sunday was one of the first times I'd actually seen Rush on the show, so I don't know about his performance in previous weeks. In fact I'd heard some pretty positive things. But I just couldn't bring myself to watch. I knew it was just a matter of time before he shot himself in the foot and then put the foot in his mouth.

Dennis Miller bombed on MNF. Now Rush tanks on ESPN. Can the networks finally admit that hiring "personalities" rather than sportscasters is a bad idea?

hi kids,

doug williams took washington to a super bowl
victory, destroying american sweetheart elway
and he got few endorsement deals. retired in
obscurity, but he was a championship quarterback.

art shell who had a higher winning percentage
with the raiders than one jon gruden gets no
opportunity after he loses the raider gig.

i think rush's comment is just silly. we already have successful black quarterbacks who've won
super bowls and shattered records (just think
what warren moon what have done if he had spent his entire career in the nfl). they are here.

***BUT THIS IS WHAT REALLY PISSES ME OFF***

why didn't anyone tell me donovan was married?!

jay o

BTW Rush is now being reported as part of a RX drug ring,,, Bad week for him

Bye-bye Rush...you will not be missed. One of the interesting criticisms to come out is leveled at the other on-air personalities (Jackson, Young) for not taking on Rush's statements. They addressed his technical comments but not this. I think it would have been excellent if one of them had done so.

Its amazing how many people dismiss the message because they can't stand the messenger.

President Bush could propose a same-sex marriage bill into Congress this week, yet some of you would look for loopholes, say its "strictly for political gain", and continue to bash away, simply because of your hatred for the messenger.

I can't stand Rush Limbaugh. I hated him on the show. But for guys to sit here, and persecute him, for a statement that the NFL and the Media want successful black quarterbacks and coaches, makes you no different than the man u wish to destroy.

Some facts:

# of Head Coaches, Offensive and Defensive Coordinators - 96

# of these Caucasion Coaches 71

70% of the upper level coaches are white in the NFL.

# of players in the NFL 2160
NFL released that 72% is black (roughly 1500)

# of quarterbacks in the league 93
# of black qb's in league 19

You can make your own conclusions from the figures. My conclusion is that the NFL and the Media realize the need for more african-american quarterbacks and coaches, and, rightfull should promote that agenda. I highly doubt they want them to be unsuccessful as well.

This is a football board...seems to me there are other boards for political discussions.

la_meat

I actually referenced some of your comments on another thread here (in politics...go figure!)

Well said, la meatman.

I do think it was dumb for ESPN to hire Rush, just as it was dumb for Dennis Miller to be on MNF, although I like both guys in their proper arenas. Rush can still - and better - make his points on talk radio and Miller can entertain us on SNL. Conversely, George Will does know baseball and politics and is equally able to expound on each, with considerable more style than either of these men.

Now if we can only get Al Michaels to go away!

[ October 02, 2003, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: m1 ]

This thread was started several months ago when Rush was announced as a new panelist on ESPN. So it started out as a football thread and naturally progressed with the events of this past week.

As for the over-promoting of black QB's by the media, Meatman's stats say there are 19. Other than Michael Vick and Donovan McNabb, which ones have been the beneficiaries of this media bias? Kordell Stewart, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff Blake, Charlie Batch, Rodney Peete, Shaun King, Akili Smith, Tony Banks, Aaron Brooks and Quincy Carter have all received more than their fair share of criticism.


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