Joe in Philly
Apr 5 2005, 07:05 PM
Terrell Owens has fired his agent and hired Drew Rosenhaus. He wants a new contract after ONE year of the 7-year contract he currently is working under. This is not something the Eagles will go for, undoubtedly.
phillyrunner
Apr 6 2005, 08:37 PM
The question here is did T.O. solicit Drew Rosenhaus to be his new agent or did Drew persue Owens. Terrell has referred to his previous agent David Joseph as a friend so what happened here?
Rosenhaus is not the most liked agent by NFL owners. He claims to represent over 90 clients. One has to wonder how he can give them all the best contract especially if two or more clients are on the same team. In this salary cap era some of his clients may be getting the short end of the stick so that his stars can max out.
At any rate I know the Eagles brass and Joe Banner run a tight ship and won't be intimidated by Drew.
George Twins fan
Apr 7 2005, 02:27 AM
QUOTE
Joe in Philly:
He wants a new contract after ONE year of the 7-year contract he currently is working under.
Quel suprise.
coyoteugly
Apr 7 2005, 06:33 AM
Ditto.
[ April 07, 2005, 06:34 AM: Message edited by: coyoteugly ]
PhillyFan
Apr 7 2005, 01:24 PM
QUOTE
phillyrunner:
At any rate I know the Eagles brass and Joe Banner run a tight ship and won't be intimidated by Drew.
Great thoughts Phillyrunner! Right behind you on that one!
Joe in Philly
Apr 7 2005, 03:03 PM
The meeting between Drew Rosenhaus and the Eagles lasted 5 minutes. Couldn't they have done it by phone?
From an article in the Phila. Daily News:
QUOTE
But players can hold out, and pout, and cause distractions, even when they're under contract. Though no one from the front office will speak publicly, the Eagles think they can weather these storms by being resolute. The real trouble starts, they feel, when teams abandon their charted course under pressure from players and agents.
Other agents who deal regularly with the Eagles scoffed yesterday at the idea that Rosenhaus, despite a string of flashy, high-profile deals over the past year or so, will be able to get the Birds to significantly adjust T.O.'s deal, which remains among the top handful of wide-receiver contracts in the league.
\"I've known Joe Banner for 15 years. There's not a chance,\" one agent said.
An agent said Rosenhaus is good at creating controversy and pressure that make some teams buckle, just so they can end the crisis.
\"He creates an enormous stink, and sometimes something happens,\" the agent said.
So why would T.O. dump his former agent, described so glowingly as his friend in his book?
QUOTE
In a chat on his Web site, Owens was asked about the agent switch and wrote: \"ALL BUSINESS!!! I LUV PHILLY!!!\" followed by a smiley-face giving a thumbs-up.
SJRandy
Apr 8 2005, 12:28 PM
About time the honeymoon is over, I have been waiting for this for a while. As a Cowboy fan I look for anything that will help ruin the Eagles run.
Joe in Philly
Apr 8 2005, 01:24 PM
As a Dallas Cowboy fan, you're completely insignificant anyway, not to mention you're putting all of your eggs in the wrong basket.
scottie
Apr 8 2005, 01:48 PM
QUOTE
Joe in Philly:
As a Dallas Cowboy fan, you're completely insignificant anyway...
SJRandy - He doesn't speak on behalf of all Philadelphians. wink
PhillyFan
Apr 8 2005, 02:01 PM
(censored for the children)
SJRandy
Apr 8 2005, 03:03 PM
QUOTE
scottie:
QUOTE
Joe in Philly:
As a Dallas Cowboy fan, you're completely insignificant anyway...
SJRandy - He doesn't speak on behalf of all Philadelphians. wink
Thanks Scottie. At least the Eagles finally won a Superbowl last year....oh wait...they didn't!
PhillyFan
Apr 8 2005, 03:08 PM
como esta el verde cardo....
si si... aribba pokes! Cinco e once'!
arrrrrrriiiiiiibaaaaaaaa pokes!
[ April 08, 2005, 03:10 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]
Joe in Philly
Apr 8 2005, 07:26 PM
QUOTE
scottie:
QUOTE
Joe in Philly:
As a Dallas Cowboy fan, you're completely insignificant anyway...
SJRandy - He doesn't speak on behalf of all Philadelphians. wink
Stick to baseball, scottie!!
Joe in Philly
Apr 12 2005, 07:32 AM
T.O. has started speaking out. This veiled shot at Donovan McNabb is from
ESPN.com: QUOTE
\"There are a lot of people who said that me playing in that game was an inspiration to them,\" Owens said. \"Hey, the only person I was trying to inspire was myself. I wanted to prove to myself that I could do it. But why did I want to do it? To win a Super Bowl for the team, for the fans, for the city. I did everything they asked me to do. I played every snap they allowed me to play. I wasn't even running until, like, two weeks before the game. But I made sure I was in the best shape possible. I wasn't the guy who got tired in the Super Bowl.\"
Asked to whom he was referring, Owens laughed, then changed the subject. It has been widely reported that McNabb was either ill or fatigued late in Super Bowl XXXIX. The star quarterback has denied either was the case.
And this, from the
Phila. Inquirer: QUOTE
Rosenhaus and Owens were upset about a report on a local television station Sunday night that said the receiver had missed team meetings during Super Bowl week. Owens said his focus was rehabilitating a severely sprained ankle.
\"Everything Terrell did at the Super Bowl let you know that he was the consummate professional,\" Rosenhaus said. \"It's unbelievable that anybody would question what he did. That's just a joke.\"
Said Owens: \"My whole preparation at the Super Bowl was just trying to help the team win. I don't know why anybody would try to bash me on that.\"
His Super Bowl performance - nine catches for 122 yards - makes for a good argument.
Owens, however, did not deny the part of the TV report that said he was late to team meetings during the regular season and sometimes fell asleep, too.
\"During the year, I was late,\" he said. \"A lot of people were late to meetings. I lived in Moorestown, N.J., and it was a situation where I had to contend with traffic. I was new to the area. I didn't know the alternate route... so I was late.\"
And what about the naps during meetings?
\"Ask any player in the NFL if they've ever fallen asleep in a meeting, and if they say 'no' they're not telling the truth,\" Owens said. \"As long as you don't fall asleep on Sunday, that's all that matters.\"
Owens said he hoped his Philadelphia story has a happy ending.
\"I love Philly,\" he said. \"My obvious goal is to come back and play and help the team get back to the Super Bowl.\"
coyoteugly
Apr 12 2005, 10:18 AM
I have a question. If T.O. "has grown weary of what he perceives as portrayals of him being selfish and opportunistic" why take the shot at his supposed buddy, McNabb?
His words are inconsistent with how he wants to be portrayed.
azairforce
Apr 12 2005, 02:32 PM
I'm sure all this sounds familiar to 49er fans. This is the real to, i dont understand how anyone is surprised about this.
PhillyFan
Apr 12 2005, 02:58 PM
This is overblown,
This is all the workings of the agent. TO is in the top 3 of WR's for these first years.
Birds will NOT rework the contract, TO will be in camp, will be playing, and will contribute. Then next year he may get more cash.
phillyrunner
Apr 12 2005, 08:26 PM
I agree with PhllyFan that T.O. will be back next season playing as usual. He would lose too much money if he held out for a season and we all know how much he loves money.
Secondly there are very few teams who could afford to trade for him by taking on a high salary and giving up a high draft pick. The only man crazy enough to try that would be Danny boy Snyder. But even he, just like George Steinbrenner has limits, so I don't think it's goin to happen. Plus why would T.O. want to be on a team that is constantly rebuilding.
coyoteugly
Apr 13 2005, 06:49 AM
Joe in Philly
Apr 13 2005, 06:54 AM
He's not a hack, but he's really stupid on this issue.
George Twins fan
Apr 13 2005, 09:31 AM
From a complete outsider, McNabb seems to be very sensitive about what happened to him in the Super Bowl. For Owens to take a not-so-subtle swipe at McNabb ("I'm not the one who got tired in the Super Bowl") can't be a pleasant thing for McNabb to hear. I'm sure people in San Fran thought this stuff was harmless in the beginning as well. I'm not predicting that things will go the same in Philly but the groundwork is certainly being laid.
PhillyFan
Apr 13 2005, 09:33 AM
If the Birds get rid of TO, they take a 5 mil cap hit (wont happen).
If the birds do trade him, it will be to move up in the draft. TO will go to a bad team (wont happen)
Since the bonus happens with the 06 season, if they get rid of him after next year, they still get a huge cap hit (wont happen).
What will happen, Rosenwhore can get more money out of EA sports, Nike, Quaker Oats or whoever else wants to put TO’s mug on their product. If you look at what a lot of his clients are doing this offseason, they are looking for new deals. Hence, rosenwhore made a lot of promises to these guys. This is one he will have to break.
TO and rosenwhore are forgetting something in their equation, TO begged to come to philly. Given the circumstances of his arrival, he received a more than fair contract. He is not the highest paid WR, but he’s definitely in the top 5. Had the situation been reversed that the Eagles came to him, he might have something to complain about… About the only thing he might get is some money moved to this year, nothing more.
This writer isn’t that bad, not really a hack.
Pasquerbelly and Dr Z… they are hacks.
coyoteugly
Apr 14 2005, 06:25 AM
Looks to me like this is getting more interesting by the day:
Owens states his case against Eagles "...when he believes the Eagles adroitly exercised the leverage they had last season when they brought him to Philadelphia."
Huh? Wasn't it T.O. that whined and cried like a baby to get out of the Raven deal to be with the Eagles?
The saga continues...
Joe in Philly
Apr 14 2005, 07:13 AM
QUOTE
coyoteugly:
Huh? Wasn't it T.O. that whined and cried like a baby to get out of the Raven deal to be with the Eagles?
The saga continues...
Getting more boring by the day. If he's sitting out a week before the season opener, then it gets interesting...unless the Eagles get someone else to take his place. That's my hope, whatever happens to T.O. down the road: that the Eagles realize they need at least one star-caliber WR. So even if they did decide that they've had enough of T.O. and even if they could find a team that can afford him, they'll be smart enough to get someone else instead of relying on the dregs that they relied on in the pre-T.O. era.
And
kudos to Stephen A. Blowhard for yet another piece allowing some idiot player to spout off.
PhillyFan
Apr 14 2005, 09:12 AM
What a treat by our good buddy, the basketball writer.
Owens got the big bonus last season, then he gets another (roster bonus I believe) for the 06 season. Was this meant to cut him after 2 years? Of course not, they structured the contract like this because of all the problems he caused in SF. If he was a problem for 2 years, they let him go. If he was not, he stays.
What the Hack (yes this one is a hack) fails to point out is this: Should TO go out and put up 1,200 and 14 TD’s again this season… The fans would sting up the organization for letting him go. He, not the organization, signed the contract, he wanted out of Baltimore (who would have given him the jack), he begged to come to philly, he got the ground rules when he came to philly. Heck, I’m not even his agent and I know this…
I see this as an overblown story. Look at the timing of all of this, comes right out in the dulldrums of sports. Writers in philly don’t have anything to write about… what better time to bring this up? If anything rosenwhore made a mistake by pulling this BEFORE THE DRAFT WHEN THE BIRDS HAVE 13 PICKS! The picks can be packaged to move up to grab a top flight WR, TO can be packaged to move up in the draft. At that point TO finds himself playing for a team like Tampa, Cleveland, St Louis etc.. all of which have no chance of going to the big SB.
Hack Smith also fails to point out the biggest flaw in his “thinking”. Trotter, Douglas, Taylor, Vincent… They all left for the bigger money (what they thought they deserved) and failed. This team won before TO was here, They won while he was there, They won when he was hurt, They will win if he leaves.
From a fan level, I like TO on this team. I like the fire he brings. I hope he stays. However, given the choice of paying him top 10 money and then not being able to keep Westy next year, or not being able to keep Simon… I say bi bi TO baby. So should the organization.
coyoteugly
Apr 14 2005, 12:44 PM
More interesting thoughts I came across and I wanted to share with everyone in the spirit of Outsports...
LEAGUE URGING EAGLES TO STAND FIRM?Word around the league is that the Commish plans to flex some muscle behind the scenes in order to get teams to stand firm in the face of demands by star players for new contracts.
The concern isn't just that paying T.O. (or trading him to a team that will) would set a bad precedent for the Eagles, but for the league.
Already, folks around the league -- and within, we hear, the league office -- are growing increasingly concerned by the fact that several players over the past few years have forced trades or new contracts (or trades to get new contracts) merely by holding out, threatening to hold out, and/or generally becoming pains in the ass to deal with.
The system of free agency, you see, was intended to provide players with a broad set of options after their contracts expire, not before. Some players and agents (or, as some league insiders would say, agent) have been using the realities cap-driven system as a way to force teams to pay them or to move them to a team who will.
From the players' perspective, the argument is that the teams have the right to break contracts at any time if a player underperforms on his deal, but the player has no way to get fair treatment if he outperforms his terms.
We've thought this through carefully, and here's our official position: Both sides are free to negotiate whatever contract the open market will bear. If the player wants protection that he'll actually be paid his wages on the back end, he can aks for guaranteed salaries. If he wants protection against outperforming the deal, he can aks for incentives based on his performance.
And if he doesn't like what's on the table, he can try to find better terms elsewhere.
See, the gripes of many agents and players on this point relate not necessarily to the system, but to the market. Even with a salary cap in place, each player's worth is determined by the forces of the market -- and the manner in which his agent capitalizes (or not) on any leverage the player might have.
One league insider's comments to us regarding the Owens situation illustrates the point that each contract is, in the end, the product of arm's-length negotiations, in which both sides should try to get the best deal they could.
Said Owens: "Everyone knows my former agent [David Joseph] settled for a low-ball number because of my situation last season when Baltimore traded for me."
Said our source: "No T.O., your agent didn't 'settle.' You signed the f--king contract. You 'settled.' If you sucked, were you going to give money back?"
Added the source, "The entire situation with Baltimore and Philadelphia and the circus surrounding his loss of leverage had everything to do with [Owens]. He created the circus, [and] he acted like a petulant ass****."
Bottom line -- the Eagles likely won't budge on this one, and the league likely won't let them.
PhillyFan
Apr 14 2005, 01:34 PM
Let’s not forget someone here… Rosenwhore,
Taylor and Moss are looking for new deals from the skins. Taylor was a rookie last year with off the field problems. Moss was just traded to the team. Now they wish to re-do their contracts? When I look at the trend of what his clients are doing. I’m thinking he made a lot of promises to theses guys, now he’s trying to break the bank for them.
From the TO side (which I’ve seen way more of) he HAD to know how the contract was structured (based on him being a cancer in SF). Now live with that. Everyone knows the Iggles won’t redo his contract. They would rather win over the next 3 years than to spend their money on TO, I would tend to agree with this.
Then again TO can just ask Trott and Douglas what it’s like to accept more money and play for losing teams and bad play infront of bad fans.
Joe in Philly
Apr 14 2005, 08:29 PM
On the local news they showed two clips of Drew Rosenhaus on different programs. He is such a sleazy slimy snake. Insincerity just oozes from his pores. I think it's all going to backfire on him at some point and all his high-end clients are going to run away.
Adam
Apr 15 2005, 10:17 AM
Did anyone else see TO, all teary-eyed on some talk show, as he defended his desire for a new contract? Saw a clip from the interview on ESPN and found it bizarre, to say the least. To paraphrase: "There's no crying in football....or contract renegotiations!"
~Adam
Joe in Philly
Apr 15 2005, 11:12 AM
Actually, from what I've heard, he was talking about his family and his grandmother and her Alzheimer's disease and he started crying. The interviewer then suddenly shifted to talking about the contract. So now the media idiots are making it look like he was crying about his contract.
PhillyFan
Apr 15 2005, 02:28 PM
This guy is a
TOOL , but it's a fairy decent proposal for TO...
Actually, the telling part of this whole story is that it's all quiet on the Eagles front. Havent even heard them addressing this issue, which probably makes it a non-issue in their minds.
[ April 15, 2005, 02:29 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]
MiamiSpartan
Apr 15 2005, 06:37 PM
Rosenhaus is such a pompus jerk. He's on TV down here all the time, and is a major egomaniac.
George Twins fan
Apr 15 2005, 07:22 PM
I just don't want to hear from anybody who claims $7 million a year (plus whatever signing bonus he got) isn't enough to take care of his family, Altzeimer's or not. There are people out there, amny of whom we all know personally, who manage to do it with a hell of a lot less. TO needs to shut the f**k up. Latrell Sprewell anyone?
azairforce
Apr 15 2005, 07:52 PM
Great post George!! i agree big time
coyoteugly
Apr 16 2005, 06:24 AM
NFLPA Was Against Owens Signing Deal It's amazing that the word "contract" doesn't mean a damn thing anymore. T.O. knew what he was getting into, and still signed. Tough luck T.O. Welcome to reality.
Joe in Philly
Apr 27 2005, 04:43 PM
Will T.O. show up this week for minicamp? His new sleazy agent won't comment...but this is from today's paper...
QUOTE
On his Web site, Owens responded to a question from someone who identified himself as an Eagles ballboy by saying, in part: \"WELL, U KNO I'M NT GONNA B THERE THIS WKEND OR THE NEXT IF THIS SITUATION DOESN'T GET RESOLVED BUT I'M PRAYIN IT DOES!... I KNO I'LL PROB C U N CAMP (HOPEFULLY) BUT CAMP IS THE WORST!!!\"
Text messaging, the death of grammar and spelling.
stinger85
Apr 29 2005, 02:48 PM
T.O. sits out. Along with Westbrook and Simon.
Is that choking I hear? {silence}
Nope, guess not, just the death of the Eagles.
Joe in Philly
Apr 29 2005, 06:23 PM
Neither Westbrook nor Simon have signed their one-year tenders so they aren't really supposed to show up (or I guess they're not legally obligated). Westbrook's agent said that Westbrook will show up for training camp before the season, which is more important. But even so, the Eagles are already making contigency plans with their draft picks, and supposedly the deal with Buffalo for Travis Henry is still a possibility.
You should probably pay more attention to sports news instead of running around kissing everyone in every bar. wink
[ April 29, 2005, 06:24 PM: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
Joe in Philly
May 11 2005, 02:05 PM
Eagles' owner rips T.O.'s agent! QUOTE
Blasting Terrell Owens' agent for giving the disgruntled wide receiver \"self-destructive advice,\" Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie said yesterday that the team would not renegotiate Owens' contract.
\"It's not even an issue,\" Lurie said in an exclusive interview. \"It's a nonissue. There are a lot of things I spend time thinking about, but that's not one of them.\"
Love the reaction from Drew the Weasel:
QUOTE
\"My policies are not to comment, so I have no comment,\" Rosenhaus said.
Funny how he was yammering on Fox Sports Net when he first took on T.O. as a client, and when he got NO local support, NOW his policy is not to comment!
Local sportstalk station's morning show started taking up a collection a while back to help T.O. feed his family -- as of yesterday when I left for work they were up to $99.00 in change. They also put on a "We Are The World" song parody -- I'll have to see if I can get the lyrics.
RazorbackTX
May 11 2005, 02:40 PM
T.O.? Who's that?
Joe in Philly
May 13 2005, 07:26 AM
Sleazy Drew
decides his policy is to comment again -- at least to ESPN. And is he backpedaling on a holdout or just being his typical sleazy self?
QUOTE
\"That's going to be something Terrell and I talk about,\" Rosenhaus said. \"I try telling people who are up in arms right now that Terrell hasn't missed a game yet. It's only May.
\"Everyone should just chill out. This is when you talk about contracts and things. We'll decide at the appropriate time, but everyone should just relax a little bit.\"
The smartest thing T.O. could do at this point is show up on time for training camp. Anything else will just make things worse for him. His hiring of Rosenhaus has completely backfired.
illini n milwaukee
May 15 2005, 08:05 PM
It's nice to see that many Eagles fans and apparently the management aren't 'starstruck' with Owens and think he deserves more.
It's an absolute joke and if he were on the team I root for, I would have a hard time cheering him on.
PhillyFan
Jun 3 2005, 10:52 AM
Oh dear sweet TO, never piss of the Iggle fans...
philly.com
Owens: 'I don't have to play for the Eagles'
Daily News Staff Reports
Terrell Owens was supposed to talk about Alzheimer's disease, not football. The Eagles' wide receiver ended up speaking about both.
Owens, who is skipping the team's current passing camp, held a press conference in Atlanta yesterday to promote his benefit event for Alzheimer's this weekend. He is involved because his grandmother, Alice Black, suffers from the disease.
However, he couldn't resist commenting on his attempt to renegotiate his contract.
Someone asked if it would be difficult for Owens to dedicate the event to his grandmother when the large throng of media mostly wanted to discuss his football situation.
"Not at all," he said in an interview that was broadcast on Comcast SportsNet last night. "She's always on my mind.
"It doesn't matter what they say [about me], whether in Philly, in San Francisco, and all over the world. They believe what they want to believe. In my heart, I know I'm doing the right thing. I don't have to play football. I don't have to play for the Eagles. I don't care what my teammates say."
For some reason, someone then asked if that meant he would play for the Falcons.
"I would play for anybody," Owens replied. "I'll play for anybody who allows me to go out there and do what I do. I just want to be paid what I deserve. If I'm one of the top players in the game, pay me like I'm one of the top players. What's fair is fair. That's not being selfish. That's not being greedy Right is right and wrong is wrong."
Is he ready, someone asked, to sit out the season to get more money?
"That's something that's going to be left up to certain situations," he answered. "The most important thing is my family.
Earlier in the interview, Owens said he doesn't seek the limelight whether it's at a charity event or on the field..
"I'm not a person who goes out and tries to get a lot of publicity. I don't use this as a publicity stunt to sidetrack things that are going on with me in the football world.
"I don't get a kick out of going public just to show people I'm a good person. Goodness comes from the heart.''
George Twins fan
Jun 3 2005, 10:57 AM
He couldn't be any more full of shit if he were an outhouse.
PhillyFan
Jun 14 2005, 09:52 AM
Well Sal Pal hit the nail on the head on this one..
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/stor..._sal&id=2083908---------------------------
People who say all will be forgiven when Owens shows up and catches his first touchdown pass don't know Philly. Just ask Ricky Watters, Mike Schmidt and Charles Barkley. Of all the things Owens has said, that last line will be forever tattooed on the collective psyche of this working class town, where disloyalty is a mortal sin.
Whether he comes back or not, Owens will come to regret his decision to foreswear his allegiance to the Eagles, and Philadelphia.
----------
TO made one huge mistake in his journey to "feed his family"... the people in the stands.
Joe in Philly
Jun 14 2005, 10:05 AM
I'm not entirely convinced. I hear too many radio callers say the Eagles should give him more money to get him into camp. It's a minority, but it's a pretty vocal minority. I think how people react to him will depend entirely on how the team does.
PhillyFan
Jun 14 2005, 10:39 AM
Sorry there JIP, i'm yet to see a someone really defend this guy. Steven A Hack perhaps, that has been it.
After pocketing 9 million in bonus money, you are not going to get much sympathy from the fan base.
Simon or Westy who are looking for LT contracts, have a case for a holdout.
TO needs to realize he's not dealing with the lazy niner fans. Eagle fans dont care if you dont think you can feed your family off 9 million.
Joe in Philly
Jun 14 2005, 07:31 PM
Once WIP puts their signal on the web (the latest is that it might be on before the end of the month) you can listen for yourself. wink
Cadillac
Jun 15 2005, 05:54 AM
Does anyone outside of Philly really care about this "story"?
coyoteugly
Jun 15 2005, 06:57 AM
Troll
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