baseball bob
Aug 8 2005, 07:36 AM
I don't know about you, but I see an astounding amount of football players with children who have signficant conditions(and other sports, too). Jim Kelly's child just died of a brain disorder. Doug Flutie and Boomer Esiason have autistic children (to name a few). Every time this is equated in the news with previous steroid or enhancement use, it is quickly quieted and it goes away. What do you think?
[ August 09, 2005, 06:56 AM: Message edited by: baseball bob ]
J eddie
Aug 9 2005, 04:18 AM
It has to be more than just a coincidence!
CPT_Doom
Aug 9 2005, 01:31 PM
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Doug Flutie and Boomer Esiason have autistic children (to name a few).
While it is certainly possible that steroid use, for instance, could lead to birth defects, I don't think it would have much of an effect on autism, but that disease is so mysterious no one really knows what causes it.
For the record, though, I believe Esiason's child has cystic fibrosis, not autism, and that is totally genetic.
George Twins fan
Aug 9 2005, 02:49 PM
You're right...Esiason's child has cystic fibrosis. Dan Marino and Doug Flutie have autistic kids. As for a steroid link, I can't imagine it would be as simple as that as doctors would surely have figured that out by now. And I'm sure there are countless cases of autisitic kids born to parents who've never taken steroids.
[ August 09, 2005, 02:51 PM: Message edited by: George_Twinsfan ]
I think it's pretty safe to say that there isn't a link, unless the mother was on steroids. I don't think steroids would change the DNA within either the sperm or egg, so anything the father did wouldn't affect the fetus. If the mother was on steroids the development of the fetus could be damaged, but that's not the case here.
The oddest coincidence I've seen in sports as far as health issues was both Eric Davis and Darryl Strawberry getting colon cancer in their 30's: two star MLB players from the same part of L.A. both coming down with a cancer that is unusual in people that young. It always made me wonder if there was something environmental that they were both exposed to.
ITJock
Aug 9 2005, 08:35 PM
During the First Gulf War a large number of our guys came home from Iraq after having been 'safely' innoculated by the Army agaist certain chemical attacks - an incredibly high number of these guys later had kids with B Defects. These were drugs thought to be tested and safe.
We just don't know enough, but we do know that steroids do affect reproductive ability and quality.
It would not suprise me if 20 years from now some doc make the connection.
Rob
[ August 09, 2005, 08:36 PM: Message edited by: ITJock ]
baseball bob
Aug 10 2005, 12:29 AM
I'm just waiting for CREATINE to be unveiled as unhealthy. That will come one day, mark my words. I've tried to use it on 2 occasions. Physically, it does exactly what it is supposed to do. I was pumped and people REALLY noticed the difference. HOWEVER, it disrupted my sleep,
gave me a general feeling of malaise and discomfort, altered my moods negatively, decreased my ability to do cardio workouts rendering me sluggish, and
caused on & off heart palpitations. I wonder what other ill-effects it has had...
I'll never use it again.
NFLJockGuy
Aug 10 2005, 10:21 AM
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baseball bob:
I'm just waiting for CREATINE to be unveiled as unhealthy. That will come one day, mark my words. I've tried to use it on 2 occasions. Physically, it does exactly what it is supposed to do. I was pumped and people REALLY noticed the difference. HOWEVER, it disrupted my sleep,
gave me a general feeling of malaise and discomfort, altered my moods negatively, decreased my ability to do cardio workouts rendering me sluggish, and
caused on & off heart palpitations. I wonder what other ill-effects it has had...
I'll never use it again.
Creatine is made up of three amino acids - Arginine, Glycine and Methionine. It's naturally occurring in fish and red meat. Steroids are NOT naturally occuring. If you take in too much of anything (broccoli, cheese, lentils, etc) your body (i.e-digestive tract, feeling sluggish, etc)is going to react adversely. This feeling of discomfort while taking creatine is usually in the initial loading stages and our bodies adjust. There are no long term adverse effects proven from creatine use.
Erik G
Aug 10 2005, 07:00 PM
Steroids are naturally occuring. Your body produces it owns steroids. There are different classes of steroids. The side-effects of supplementing steroids, especially artificial/synthetic, are well-known and too numerous to list. One very common synthetic steroid is Prednisone.
In any event, the fact that something's naturally occurring doesn't guarantee that it's not harmful. Lots of deadly toxins are naturally occurring. For that matter, even things that your own body produces naturally can be quite harmful in amounts larger than would normally occur--GHB for example.
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