They are buc fans... so really they are not quite sure why the bucs will win, unless the score board tells them to say it.... All they do is repeat the "we won, we are the best" post.. funny baltimore fan (not sure the is more than one) said the same thing a few years ago... one and done...

I mean anyone who thinks any team will ever have a shot at going 16-0.. hahaha, not even the greatest coach ever (vermeil) can achieve that goal.

Actually Yuccies... it looks like another person is calling you on your blind bandwagon rooting... but yet, i'm sure it will all go unanswered.... like the crowds when the team was 2-14.

I'm just glad to know that everything is ok there in tampa and that they are about to steamroll the rest of the "easy" schedule the yuckies have...

Whoa, I'm throwing a penalty flag here. Unnecessary roughness. I've not only seen PF, I've hung out with PF and he's not a bad looking fella at all, and he's a riot too. Lots of fun. And I should know, because I'm a true American patriot.

Maybe he's doesn't photo well then, regardless, I'm beginning to think there is a strong dose of stupidity added to the water in Phoenix.


I'm a true American patriot too (from the Patrick Henry line of Henry family), just because we are strong American patriots doesn't mean we share the same definition of "easy on the eyes".

Even if I did think PF was attractive, his envy and ignorance would be be a buzz killer. Thus, no candy for him! But William, you on the other hand...have a chance - nice profile (other than tennis wink )

I grew up in the Washington area. Miss this time of year there.

[ October 27, 2003, 01:41 PM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

WM1865, you should run like the wind right now...

Pewt, I have not, nor have ever tried to impress anyone, so your opinion really doesnt matter now does it? Hence my non replies to those posts. I was/am just happy that the eagles won and i didnt have to use the F bomb too many times for stupid play calling or passes at the feet. However, i did break tradition cause in that venue the eagles are 4-0 this year... that's all that matters on sunday anyway.

[ October 27, 2003, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I guess I'm being called out here for being stupid, but I've outlined why I do not believe the Bucs will produce this year, and both Kenny and Pewter have yet to respond with any quality reasons/analysis to support their loyalty.

Still waiting....

Prove your worth boys...

Still waiting...

You know, i despise the dallas cowboys, well known fact... however, i have nothing but respect for parcells. Why you ask? he does it his way, if you dont, yuo are gone. No matter how big a star you think you are.

The bucs are just an unlikeable team full of trash talkers. Fatt sapp would be traded in about 2 seconds. meeeshawn wouldnt dare pull the crap he does now. The bucs lack any sort of heart. They simply got hot on D at the end of last year and rode it. No more/No less. Now, when faced with the fact that each and every team will give them their best shot all year long... all these me me me players start shooting off. That is the downfall of this team. A lesson they should have learned last year when, for once, they did not underachieve. ME ME ME players never think that way. They never learn. As a matter of fact the eagles D over the last 3 years has been statistically better than the bucs d has been. In the end, that means nothing because it's only about W's.

I'll also say this, winning that game against the eagles was the worst thing for the bucs. They thought all they had to do was show up and win. Looking at the way their d is playing this year...How quickly things change from them spouting off about how "few" points they will allow.

It's clear the buc D cant handle a power running game and they never have...

what you said was that the Bucs WILL NOT even make the playoffs. Isnt that what I argued? And wasn't your comment that "because of the two cancers Sapp and Key, that would be the demise of the Bucs"? Or has PF given you the ability to read one thing but perceive it as another(he is the best at that in addition to putting words in your mouth)?

Running game is doing just fine(an argument PF had beginning the season, so there goes that point). JJ comes back this week, barring another injury, that gives BJ at least a triple threat. Giants? That will be a sweep of the NFC East! We have to step it up at Carolina! Will be there for that game. NO has stepped up their play in recent weeks, but am I going to base my opinion on last year? Uh no.

So Mr. CU, if you are looking for me to fight you with nerdy stats, aint a gonna happen. Now don't you have a free game to go to?

This is the most idiotic statement I have EVER heard, and trust me, I have heard em all!

Yeah kenny doesnt like stats cause well, when the scoreboard at the sinking ship tells them to cheer, it doesnt tell them why... hence, he cant explain....

they just need to "step up".... good job with your analysis.

And yes beating the eagles made those yucks fat and happy (like sapp) instead of hungry (like sapp also). Hence both of our teams have the same 4-3 record.

You 2 are the same ones calling MN a smoke and mirror team.. when that is not true what-so-ever. Thinking KC can go 16-0... i mean come on, step it up...

I repeat again - The Bucs will NOT make the playoffs, and just to refresh your memory, here are the reasons why I said they would not:

Not the sole reason but a contributing factor. Let’s face it Kenny, these two are major distractions. You don’t see these types of distractions with the NFL’s leading teams (division leaders) – Dallas, Minnesota, Carolina, St Louis, New England, Indianapolis, Tennessee, etc. These types of antics distract the team from concentrating on football. The two most cancerous teams in football – Tampa Bay and San Francisco. Injuries are also a factor. The fact that every team gets “up” for the Super Bowl Champs is another factor. The fact that the team is 1-2 on their home field… What’s up with that? You are very beatable on your own turf. You have two games left with a New Orleans team that plays you tough and is getting better every week. You have games left against good teams fighting for playoff spots on their own – Carolina, Green Bay (major revenge game here), Giants and Tennessee. I’ll concede the Houston and Jacksonville games to you, but that’s it. You have a tough road ahead of you. I also do not believe you have the offensive firepower to come back in a game when you are down.

Now to address your other comments:

You're avoiding the topic here by diverting to PF. What is your obsession with this guy?

Again, bringing PF into the thread. Are you addressing him or me?

Who brought up \"nerdy stats\"? I want to know why you think the Bucs will make the playoffs this year? Reasons why, not nerdy stats. Step up to the plate, Kenny. Give me some quality analysis here. I am patiently waiting for your brilliance. Time for you to back up your prediction and your 4-3 team.

Yep, I'm on my way out the door, heading to Hooters, then to the game. This should give you roughly, oh let's see, all night to come up with some quality analysis for us here on the board. Dazzle us Kenny. You can do it. I know you can.

[ October 27, 2003, 02:44 PM: Message edited by: coyoteugly ]

Tampa's impressive run game...

avg 104 yards a game but only 3.7 per carry which gets you in the middle of the pack, but yards per carry is quite low...

However... they have one run of 20 or more yards all year long. Which is right there at the bottom of the list of all nfl teams kiddo. 2 rushing td's all year by them...

This is definately a team that cant run the ball when they want to or need to... nope, nothing to worry about folks... nothing at all.

Do you two even have lives? As obsessed as you are with numbers and stats. Sorry, if you want to believe I am not as intellegent because you submerse yourselves in numbers and I don't, well so be it, I will take that label. Go back to your excel spreadsheets and compilling numbers. By the way, easy on the eyes or not, a nerd's a nerd. Chix dig nerds.

Just curious, so who of those remaining team that KC has to play in their schedule has the best chance to beat them, besides Minn? I figure this will give the stat boys a project for the evening.

P.S. - I am not a razzle dazzle kind of guy.

PF, we have a new copy and paste king- CU

I guess your point of view would be is better to be runner up over and over than to actually get there, and WIN! I know that is your fave argument. Then again, CU knows what that is like also, I guess that is something the two of you DO NOT have in common.

Kenny, when the short bus stopped in front of your house to pick you up for grade school, did you get on the bus, or let the bus run over you?

“As obsessed as you are with numbers and stats.” “Go back to your excel spreadsheets and compilling numbers.” Oh my God, Kenny, read these numbers and stats again:

Reasons why the Buc’s will not make the playoffs (simplified, for Kenny) in no particular order:
• Lack of team chemistry, distractions/cancers (i.e. Warren Sapp and Keyshawn Johnson).
• Injuries/Lack of depth.
• Opponents gearing up for last year’s Super Bowl Champs.
• No apparent home field advantage.
• Remaining schedule (difficult).
• Lack of offensive firepower/Inability to come back from behind.

I’m a veritable numerologist. It sure was tough cutting and pasting all those stats from my Excel spreadsheet for you Kenny!

Furthermore, I also would like to add that the best way to beat the Buc’s is to run it right down their throats. Future opponents with better than average running games – Carolina (NFC #1), Green Bay (NFC #2). Subpar performances on defense have been a major factor in two of Tampa Bay's three losses. Thought your defense was supposed to be the strength of the team? Aren’t they the “best ever?” Ronde Barber, is only one tackle shy of Derrick Brooks for the team lead in tackles. It’s never a good sign when one of your DB’s is near the top of the team lead in tackles.

I feel like I’m trying to debate someone with one side of his brain tied behind his back. It’s almost as if I am out on the playground with another kid who, when he doesn’t get his way or can’t make a logical point, stomps his feet, cries, picks up his toys and runs home to Mommy. “I think the Buccaneers are the best team in the NFL because, well, I think they are. So there!” It’s not personal Kenny; I’m just trying to engage you in some intelligent discourse. I admire your heartfelt dedication to your team, but I really had hoped that you could back up your conviction with some tidbit of knowledge that might convince me to change my opinion and/or open my mind to something other than your team’s obvious deficiencies.

I’ve waited and waited - I want to know why you think the Buc’s will make the playoffs this year, Kenny! Step up to the plate, Kenny. Give me some quality analysis here. I am still patiently waiting for your brilliance. Kenny, I am calling you out to back up what you say with something… anything…

On a positive note, the Buccaneers, do have the best website in the NFL. Swell graphics.

“Just curious, so who of those remaining team that KC has to play in their schedule has the best chance to beat them, besides Minn? I figure this will give the stat boys a project for the evening.” 1) This isn’t a KC thread, and 2) this stat boy was at a FREE Monday Night Football game so I couldn’t attempt your project.

Hooters in Tempe, AZ – chicken wings and straight (yet gullible) college boys, two of my favorite things, not necessarily in that order.

When the Buccaneers fail to make the playoffs, Kenny, will you be back here on this thread acknowledging my prediction? If somehow the Buccaneers sneak into postseason play, I know I’ll be back here admitting I short-changed your team.

Oh, and PewterPirate, you dogged the folks here in Phoenix in another thread about tonight’s San Diego/Miami game being held here in Tempe. Given the late notice and logistics/parking issues on campus, I’d say we put up a pretty decent showing (except for the clown that jumped on the field and dropped trou). Probably 55,000 to 60,000 walk-up for the game. There were actually some Tampa fans at the game. They weren’t really sure which team to cheer for, or when to cheer without scoreboard prompts, and kept wandering around the stadium looking for a faux Pirate ship that intimidates opponents by spewing traditional Pirate smoke and confetti.

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In Kenny and PewterPirate, I think we might have a couple Bud Light Real Men of Genius candidates! Or is Kenny actually Mr. Foot Long Hot Dog Inventor?

I guess this thread should be changed to "Men of genious, and the attitude to belittle others if they are not", which nowhere do you see that I claim to be.

I do like how you point out how Barber has as many tackles as Brooks, any idea why Brain man? I know I am not very smart and all, but could it be due to the corner blitzes to try to stop the run?

1. If you have no adminration for the Bucs, why are you on their website?

2. I will be right here acknowledging if the Bucs do not make the playoffs that I was wrong. In case you have not read some of my previous posts, I have been through plenty a losing season, that would in no way shape of form make me go away. However, I notice how you want to throw me up on the Brainiac cross and hang me if they don't, but somehow if they do, you will "admit I shortchanged your team". The scale seems a little heavy on one side there for some reason, but then again half my brain is tied behind my back.

[ October 28, 2003, 06:23 AM: Message edited by: Kenny ]

When is the wind going to blow from the West and send that fire to the land of ugly (in more ways than one)and take out Phoenix???

Offshore betting and he lives in Phoenix...ROFL, talk about real American genius. He's probably a Republican too.

[ October 28, 2003, 06:22 AM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

In another thread I gave kudos to the AZ residents and still do, but when I noticed you pointed out about it being a FREE game and saw how much money was raised, were you one of the people who contributed approx. $3.33? I know how those numbers guys are usually cheap! wink Dig a little deeper!

$3.33? Was that the average per fan?

Yeah, sounds like alot of Republicans went to the game. They say they care about a cause but then don't put there money where their mouth is...typical. After all the fires are ruining the environment, something they could care less about.

Solid analysis, Kenny.

"Still" waiting.

Do you actually know what "offshore betting" is? Ya know, you really don't need to be near a shoreline to do it....

Hopefully you are playing with it while you are waiting, to amuze yourself. In case you didnt get it before, I am no stat man, cannot argue that case. I gave you my reasons why I think the Bucs still can make the playoffs, if you choose not to believe them, so be it.

YOu dont need razzle dazzle kenboy... i just simply clicked on the stats button of the nfl.com site... then you can click on the different categories of rushing... and it lists them... this funky new fangled internet clears things up quite easily and no spreadsheet are needed kiddo.. Then again, there aint no flash intro on that site.

Seriously tho... if you think your running game is "no problem"... hey carry on boys... i'll tell ya this... 4th and goal from the 1... be worried.

"amuze" or "amuse"?

Why do you keep insisting that I have asked you for stats? I have never once asked you for any stats.

You gave me no reasons why the Bucs will make the playoffs...unless it was this gem, Running game is doing just fine(an argument PF had beginning the season, so there goes that point). JJ comes back this week, barring another injury, that gives BJ at least a triple threat. Giants? That will be a sweep of the NFC East! We have to step it up at Carolina! Will be there for that game. NO has stepped up their play in recent weeks, but am I going to base my opinion on last year? Uh no. If that's it, you're joking, right? That was the reason why the Buc's will make the playoffs?

Between you and Jessica Simpson, I mean PewterPirate, are you guys representative of the knowledge of the Tampa fan base?

In a word, yes they are....

Oh my God then, I'm wasting my time trying to have a conversation with the mentally disabled.


Hey, PewterPirate, did ya hear? Chicken of the Sea is actually "tuna"!

Not disabled, just dont know very much about the game is all... Either that or they fail to realize that this team does have a few major weaknesses but wont admit it. What is that called, blind loyalty?

Then again, when asked for the strengths of the team, all i see is "step up"... huh? who does?

There was also a point about Barber having as many tackles as brooks....the reply was.. corner blitz to stop the run... WHAT THE HECK IS THAT? Usually when a corner blitzes, they are going after the qb and they might get the RB on a draw (rare). They might have to make a tackle on a sweep. But NO ONE blitzes a corner to stop the run. They blitz the safety... they blitz the LB's... but not the corner.

Then again, most teams run up the gut against the bucs because they have to much speed to hit the corners on the sweep. So, that sorta take barber out of the mix on the run.

So really, the reason that barber has as many tackles as brooks is because they play that soft zone.. then when the WR/RB/TE catches the 2 yard pass, barber makes the tackle.

If you claim that Barber is used to stop the run... anytime your secondary is leading the team in tackles to stop the run... you have major problems there kiddo. Think about it...

Was the game televised there? I thought for sure I saw you say you were watching and rooting for Tampa Bay. If so, you would have seen the corner blitzes with Barber I am talking about.
3-1-TB22 (2:46) T.Hambrick up the middle to TB 23 for -1 yards (R.Barber, N.Webster).
2-10-DAL29 (15:00) T.Hambrick right tackle to DAL 28 for -1 yards (R.Barber, S.Quarles).
Above is two blitzes from Barber that I found on play by play of the game, you see those? The reason I cannot argue with you guys is plain and simple. You stereotype every position and every style of play in a one dimensional group. CU, go back and read some of PF and I's arguments, he thinks FB's should only be blocking style players. Yet now look, his team has wised up and is utilizing them in offensive schemes more. Hence, let me explain why a corner blitz CAN be used against the run... Man on man, if the front 4 can block the O-lines holes, the RB has no other choice than to run to the outside, but before he can even get to the outside, there is Barber tackling him. I realize this is out of the realm of what you perceive a corner blitz can do, but go back and watch the film if need be.

In final, I think this sums up alot... I am a glass half full type of guy, I do not thrive on the negative. Sure if we were 2-5, I would be worried. All of your stats and guesses amount to nothing when game time comes. Just like mine might not either, but we will see.

ON the second and 10 play... off right tackle, sounds sorta like a sweep to me there bub...

And 3rd and one when the cowboys are lined up to get one yard... is that really a bitz when everyone crowds the line like that? Sounds more like goal line to me.

My point is this, you would NEVER use your top play cover guy to play run support dude. Why on god's green earth would you risk injury to him like that? You would blitz him to get a sack, and then if the other team happened to run.. yeah, he might get a tackle.

The 2 plays you show are hardly a trend. Barber is an excellent corner and the least you could do is know the way he plays rather than grabbing for straws. In reality, the less tackles your CB's have, the better your D is playing.. it means no one is completeing passes... no RB is getting past the LB's.

blah, blah, blah, blah, .... blah

What the hell do you do for a job PF? Jeez!

Jessica Simpson, I WISH, isn't she married to that hottie Nick something? I wouldn't mind tapping on that as a newlywed.

Shouldn't all this nonsense be on the offical PF thread with all that other noise?

You guys need to get lives.....

[ October 28, 2003, 10:48 AM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

Hey, Jessica's back! Hi Jess!

Shouldn't all this nonsense be on the offical PF thread with all that other noise?

I think the only nonsense in this thread is you and your buddy Kenny trying to explain how the Buc's are going to make it to the playoffs.

Jess, have you figured out what offshore betting is yet?

Obviously my job is not to get you to speak football, cause well you never seem to be able to do it...

simply prove what everyone thinks of tampa "fans"...

Now come on i know you guys can do it... please tell me why you'd play barber in run support... why oh why... i told you why you dont... so please prove to me that you do...

http://www.buccaneers.com/AV/playflashintr...year=2002&ID=23

nuff said...

too bad you suckers can't say the same thing.

I get it, Jess. It's best to try to communicate with you Tampa fans through the communication method you know best. Cartoons, right?

Just checking back with you... Have you figured out what offshore betting is yet?

You might want to read up on your history a bit Jess (that would be in a book, or internet or something) before stating that coyoteugly (Chief's fan) can't say the same thing... Try again, Mr. Wizard.

I"m sorry am i mistaken or are they still playing the 02-03 season? Didnt that end?

PF, I once heard these were your fave...

Lets recap real quick here

When asked for the reasons the bucs go to the playoffs... the glass is half full and they need to step up... huh?

When asked about barber's run support, we get a flash intro... and corner blitzes that stop running games.

Seriously, do you guys get any information that doesnt come out of the bucs front office and onto the official site? For all these games you supposedly watch.. or go to.. i mean come on guys, do you pay attention? Most people, even cowboys fans, seem to pick up on these things after a while..

You guys have even go so far as to call MN a smoke and mirrors team????? dude, they turned their team around LAST YEAR. They have built on it this year.

Like it or not, tampa has issues. They have injuries... so when asked how on earth they can overcome them... or whatever, you post flash intros of Last Year's Super Bowls.

So excuse me now, i'm going to ring up my Cardz fan buddy who can actually add some insight on his team...

I dont take all this banter seriously, but i mean come on, the girls fans at least back up a little of what they are saying.

i know the chiefs won it when i was in my very early years....sorry, meant to direct that to PF and his team. How long you been a chiefs fan chief? This year? Season ticket?

I find it laughable that you clowns reside in the same city and seem to have the same isses. I do feel your pain, i've been to Phoenix and I know how miserable a city it is. I think you both need to stand under a "mister" for a few hours, perhaps day....it may help with the swelling.

Mod, isn't it time we direct this back to the original PF nonsense thread?

[ October 28, 2003, 12:15 PM: Message edited by: PewterPirate ]

Read back and you will see that I included the fact that your site is merely one dimensional. I know things are either black or white in your world. They run that play to either do one of two things, sack the QB or catch the RB in the backfield for a loss, using it in short yardage situations.

So how did you become a KC fan? You can use cartoons if you like for your answer.

1. Season ticket holder, since 1974
2. The only people who have issues are you and your buddy. Just can't seem to back up your predictions with any basis.
3. Now you need a moderator to bail you out?


Offshore betting, figured out what it is Pewt?

[quote]Kenny:
[QUOTE]So how did you become a KC fan? You can use cartoons if you like for your answer. [/quote]8 - 0

CU, the hard part to argue about stats and predictions is that they are just that. Go back and look and nowhere will you see that PF could have imagined by his stats and predictions should the Bucs have been in the SuperBowl. If you do not like the opinion that I expressed to you, so be it. And if it makes you feel better to think that you are so much more intellegent than me, hey more power to ya! Aint going to affect my life one way or another. If my conversation isnt stimulating to you, stop replying. Trust me, I do not take anything you say to heart. When I joined outsports, I thought it would be fun to make friends and jab at fans of other teams, but in the end, I would be the first guy to be hospitable and buy you a beer while watching games. So enjoy the pedastal you have built for yourself, when/if ever you want to chat and converse with the common folk, I am here.

1974, wow, you must be old. So you commute back to KC for the games from Phoenix....interesting.

Well girls, I've finally grown tired of intertaining you on this thread.



yawn

Kenny - turn the page......

This thread starting off about Warren Sapp and now it's turned to offshore betting.

I'd rather be working.

WOW kenny that was actually a good post. Now the your friend has officially left, perhaps we can build on this.

but i still fully disagree that barber would ever be used in run support.

Pewt, stay away now and turn the page, it's fun and all but in this thread... you've already called someone dog ugly and old. Kenny's actually posted some usefull information, stayed away from the flash intro's, and the we wont the supe... so chill out already.

[ October 28, 2003, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

PF - you're not only dog ugly, you're stupid wink

Now go back and correct your grammer before I get my red pen out!