I'm sure you East Coasters are well versed on Parcells' methods, but so far I'm impressed. Hopefully, the Cowboys have already hit rock bottom and are on their way back up (if Jerry Jones can stay out of the coaching).

IRVING – Terence Newman, the Cowboys' first-round draft pick, didn't have a blue star on the side of his silver helmet.

Neither did second-round pick Al Johnson. Or third-round pick Jason Witten.

Actually, none of the seven draft picks or 12 rookie free agents who attended the Cowboys' first off-season mini-camp had stars on their helmets – and they aren't going to be getting them anytime soon.

Coach Bill Parcells, conducting his first mini-camp as Cowboys coach, said the rookies won't get stars, apart from preseason games, until they make the team.


"It's just rookies. They're just numbers right now," he said. "The stars have to be earned. It's no big deal. I've done it quite a bit in the past."

http://www.dallasnews.com/latestnews/stori...lede.5a8f0.html

cowboys on the way up.... that makes me laugh...

Maybe with parcells the girls only lose 21-10 instead of usual 38-7 drubbbing you usually get...

PhillyFan, I can now see how you've accumulated more than 700 more posts than me even though I registered three days before you. You don't always have a lot to say with any substance.

I pretty much get it that you are not a Cowboys fan. Good for you. That must be real special for ya. Thanks for playing. wink

Someone who writes that the first 5000 pairs of Vet seats sold should include a 12-pack of used D size batteries has no room to talk.

(Oh hell...I'm inadvertently defending PhillyFan. I feel so dirty. Ew!)

I'll try to keep in mind from now on that anyone with Philly in their username has NO sense of humor.

(Does anybody know if Joe in Philly and PhillyFan are the same person with multiple personalities?)

OH HORN FAN,

do you really want me to look up the last 6 games played between the Iggles and the lilgirls? It will not be pretty for you, and i'll just rest my case on the words, pickle juice.

Who was lecturing who about living in the past?

Horn fan... if i told you to look at the overall w/l record of the 2 teams then you could babble about the glory days of Jimmy Johson... thats liviing in the past....

If you look at the last 6 games between the 2 teams that would represent the Reid Era.

As far as your new sheriff... well who's going to run the ball for you? who's going to throw the ball? see the patern, no O. Parcells is goint to try and win every game next year 13-10. So you better hope that D holds up. I'm sure parcells will improve the D, but will they hold scoring down far enough to give you a shot at a W? maybe against Arizona... Not against a good team.

Also, Parcells doesnt have his "boy" anymore, he's coaching in NE. He's going to actually have to coach this year and not fall back on the guys he always brings with him. In a word, am i a worried about the cowgirls this year? NO. Perhaps in a year or 2 when he brings in some better players.

Oh and there is no way JIP and I are the same, for one he loves JR, and i think he's a locker room cancer who is merely intrested in getting his mug on tv as much as he can.

[ May 03, 2003, 04:18 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I never said the Cowboys were back on top, just (hopefully) on their way back up. For now, we'll just have to wait and see. I'm glad to have a disciplinarian coach in town again after all these namby-pambys we've had since Jimmy Johnson. Switzer was the ultimate insult! :mad:

Can you tell I'm not a Jerry Jones fan yet? I've never liked him, never will. Ten Super Bowls in a row wouldn't change that opinion. (Hope I don't offend Razor 'cause I don't know where he stands on Jerry.) wink

Right now, I don't know who is going to be the running back (Emmitt couldn't cut it anymore and I wish he would have just retired) or the quarterback (I'm glad Aikman retired while he could still remember his name).

They had a good D last year and it should be even better this year. We were in a ton of low-scoring close games last year much to my dismay, but I have (blind) faith the offense will be better this year. I mean, can it actually get worse than last year?

I'm prepared for a few (MORE) years of rebuilding the Cowboys to playoff status. It would be nice to be .500 this year for a change.

Maybe it's time to go back to the theory of signing drug offenders?

And i give parcells and Face lift about 3-4 games before the fightin starts.

Just to remind you last 7 games played.... girls are 0-7... 44-13, 27-3, 40-18, 36-3, 41-14, 16-13, and 13-10. Just so you can sleep better at night, that a +143 if my math is right, and thats often better than my spelling.

Fat man might not win the NFC championship, but he sure can put a drubbin on the girls.

Guess what Philly, I'll take the ride the Cowboys have given me over the years compared to the Eagles lackluster history any day, any time. wink

8 Super Bowl appearances and 5 Super Bowl rings (including back-to-back) for America's Team! Please enlighten us on the Eagles' Super Bowl record while you got your historical stats out? I dare you!

The Cowboys had beaten the Redskins (their only true rivalry) 13 times in a row until the last time we played them, but that meant absolutely nothing to me compared to what it feels like to win those Super Bowls (and I remember ALL of them quite well). So you enjoy those last 7 wins over the Cowboys because that apparently is the benchmark of success for the Eagles.

BTW, are you being obnoxious naturally or just desparately trying to live up to the Philly fan stereotype?

hold on........ YAWN.......

Does Jerry Jones still parade around with the super bowl trophies to the half full stadium trying to sell seats?

Or did all the fans just move back to mexico city till the next round of winning comes one day... any day....someday....

[ May 03, 2003, 05:39 PM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I'm guessing it comes naturally.

Hopefully, when it gets closer to football season, there will be some people on this board who want to talk football instead of flaming.

We haven't had a game blacked out in Dallas due to a non-sellout in over 12 years.

Do you have a problem with Hispanics? Living in AZ? I guess you have a problem with the Cowboys having more fans in Phoenix than the Cards.

[ May 03, 2003, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]

The Cards? DO NOT associate me with them, i'd rather shoot myself in the head.... altho, there is only one team the cards have beat in the playoffs in 15 years, can you name them? Thats shameful in and of itself now isnt it?

Parcells is such an a--hole. Being a Giants fan I'm sick to hear that he is back in the NFC East let alone coahing the hated Cowboys. But what does he know about Cowboys tradition and what has he done as far as Cowboys' tradition goes to be able to use this "earn the star" crap on the rookies. What do you know about the star you idiot Tuna. And Parcells is such a b*tch with rookies. Since leaving the Giants I just can't stand the self-absorbing Tuna. :mad:

Actually, we're not seeing much (if any) of the Tuna here in Dallas. He's not speaking to the local press.

I'm sure he will eventually wear out his welcome here in Dallas. The interesting part will be to see if he pisses of Jerry, the fans or the players first. As long as it's not Switzer here, I'm good for awhile.

This is crazy, you cant tell me that you wouldnt welcome him back to the giants. Especially with his track record.

Parcells has turned around every team he has coached. I'd take him in philly anyday. however, he's coaching the girls now, so he can crash and burn.

Parcells is well known for going to a distressed franchise. He rebuilds it. They have success and then he leaves and wants everyone to remember him for what he did. He thinks he's the Lone Ranger or something.

[ May 05, 2003, 11:00 AM: Message edited by: amazin12 ]

Rescuing the Cowboys is too much for any coach.

Bill Parcells and Jerry Jones have been labelled here in Dallas as surf & turf, i.e., the Tuna and Jerry's toupee.

You know, as much money as Jerry Jones has, you would think he could find decent plastic surgeons and a better hair club for men.

Well, I will say this, the Eagle fans are down right NASTY!!! There is no other way to say it. Well, I should say most fans. There are ways to support your team with class, but most of the Eagle fans that I have witnessed in person support their team WITHOUT class. As a player, I would be embarrassed to call them fans. Now I want to be very clear that I am not calling anyone on here classless. I am just saying that the Eagle fans that I have witnessed in person at Veterans stadium just made me sick. They remind me of the Cleveland fans who threw all those beer bottles on the field two years ago, putting the safety of their own players in jeopordy.

With that being said, the Eagles do not have much to crow about against the Cowboys. Sure, they have whuppped up on the Cowboys the last couple of years, but WHO HASNT. Even the Detroit Lions have beat the Cowboys the last 3 years. But, the Eagles have not been as impressive as they should have been. The NFC East has been the worse division in the NFC for the last couple of years, and Philadelphia should have dominated the Division. But until last year, they never could put away the Division. Now, I think you are about to see some parity restored to the NFC East. It is only a matter of time before Washington starts contending for the Division title. The Giants remain a semi-solid team that is capable of winning on any day. The Cowboys ARE on the way up. They already have the 4th Best Defense in the NFC. The only thing that they have needed is a QB and some offense. Chad Hutchinson continues to improve, and you will see the Cowboys pick up a veteran QB in the next couple of weeks, as you see Brian Griese and a couple of other veteran QB's released in the first week of June. That is all Dallas needs to start beating teams. Their defense has kept them in every game they played last year, their offense was just unable to score the points needed to win. You WILL see that change this year. So I think once again, the NFC East will become the dominant division that it once was in the 80's and the mid 90's.

David

At first glance I thought you were talking about PhillyFan. But then I read on and found out differently, so let me just give you this advice: stick to college football.

[ May 14, 2003, 10:29 AM: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]

heh... come on...

All i've heard for the last few years is how Washington is an up and coming team... Please. Snyder goes out and TRIES to build a new team each year. It doesnt work. Yeah, on paper they are nice.. but they've had that for the last 5 years. All the talent in the world, but... I'm sorry, you cant overhaul your team every year and expect to win. Spurrier still thinks he's in college and he can run his system his way. Until he learns to make adjustments (each week Def Coordinators like Jim Johnson are going to stay up all night and take away 1 or 2 of his weapons) he's not gonna do squat. Who the hell is gonna run the ball for them? The Fun-N-Gun might work for you in a dome somewhere, but outside in December? yeah.

The cowgirls? Since Jimmy Johnson left... they have done nothing... NOTHING. The team that johnson built carried them until a few years ago. Can Parcells build them up? maybe, but just remember most of his other coaches he always brought with him now have other jobs.

Now, for my favorite part... EAGLES FANS. You may as well said iggle fans boo'd santa. zzzzzz I've been to the vet, i've been to SD, LA and AZ games. I will tell you right now... i've seen worse actvity at cardz games than at the vet. The problem is that people just pile on if they see the slightest thing happen at the vet. Pepper spray at washington last year? That was the eagles fault too i suppose? What about Denver fans throwing snowballs at the FG kicker a few years back? That changed a game. It's ok to forget about that...

Unlike other teams.. win or lose.. eagles fans support their team. At the same time, there is no one tougher on their team. If you play poor, you get boo'd. Hey, if you play for another team, come in and get yelled and cursed at by the fans. Isnt that home field advantage? If you're a skins fan.. dont come to the Vet/Linc. Physical violence is bad, but i see no problem with an entire section yelling ass**** at an opposing fan. you dont think eagle players love that? Andy Reid gets a woodie knowing he's got that in his favor.

We dont jump on the bandwagon, like buc fans. Cowboy fans? they are all in the closet right now.

And best of all... philly fanzzzz boo'd Ja-Rule last year... that right there should put us as #1.

I'm sure there are many great Philly fans, and to those of you on this board please don't take my remarks personally.

I have to say, even on TV, you can hear them boo their own teams in the first quarter of a game if it's not going well...that never happens in Dallas no matter how bad the season is going, much less one game. People don't throw things at players and coaches in MOST other football venues with the frequency that it happens in Philly, if for no other reason than the respect and concern for their own players safety and well-being.

Philly boo'd Kobe Bryant(a HOMETOWN BOY) at the All-Star game for crying out loud and it truly hurt his feelings. :confused: I was embarassed for Philly that night and thought to myself, please never let something like that happen here.

I'm not trying to bash anyone here (except the shoe does happen to fit PhillyFan and that's unfortunate because I'm not on this board to flame people), just pointing out that which is the national perception of Philadelphia fans (and PhillyFan does a great job of proving this perception). This reputation has not been a secret for a very long time guys.

To those who stick to the thread topic and talk football, thanks.

You pay your money, you have the right to boo if the team isn't providing what you think it should. If you decide not to exercise that right, that's your option. Fans here tend to be more demanding. That happens when you've had owners who have been too stingy to spend money to improve a team, or who gambled and drank away their fortunes and as a result threatened to move the team, or who are just flat-out morons.

It happens all over the place in all kinds of sports with lots of frequency. Just think of the two attacks on the coach and umpire in the last year in Chicago. It's media hype and stupidity that keeps the focus on Philadelphia.

Kobe Bryant is NOT a hometown boy. He grew up all over the place when his dad played in Europe, etc. He graduated from high school in Lower Merion, a wealthy suburb of Phila. He's been gone ever since. He's a Laker. He's the enemy. And prior to the 2001 finals games that were played in Phila. he made some sort of comment about wanting to rip the Phila. fans' hearts out. So he's just going to have to grow up and face the fact that he's not universally loved.

OK, OK, Philly fans are the VERY best in the entire universe! PhillyFan is an abberation and does not resemble regular Philly fans in the least. They don't throw batteries and/or snowballs at players and coaches, they just recycle the batteries in the proper receptacles. Kobe's an ass and never has even spent the night in Philly. There were never any lockup facilities at the Vet.

God, oh God, I can't believe I fell for the media hype.

The brainwashing has worked. Woo-hoo! Now if we could only brainwash PhillyFan into civility...

hmmmmmmm, let's get this cleared up, phillyfan is not against hispanics. He's actually dated a few of them.

How many pre-season games have been played in mexico with the cowboys? quite a few more than the iggles have played. Hence the INS joke. Is that any different than accusing all philly fanz of throwing batteries?

I might be accused of women bashing, but really... it's the WNBA, come on... who needs to bash when you just have to watch a game to laugh.

Now, back to the philly thing... yeah yeah jimmy johnson got pelted with snowballs. None of which came onto the field and stopped the game. Cant be said for denver. Cubs fans throw cell phones at the players on the field. 2 times the sox fans run onto the field. Has this ever happened in philly? please find a time and a place that it happened.

Kobe made his bed by pissing off the people of philadelphia, and NO he's never been considered a philly guy. I dont care if it's a pre-season game, a pick up game, or an all star game... the guy is going to take a beating. Why would that bother him sooooo much? the lakers are the enemy, nothing he can do is going to change that.

I gave you my take on the cowboys and the redskins... how much more do you want? The Giants are a tough team always and they are the ONLY team in the east that can compete with the beloved iggles. Plain and simple.

Now, as far as the Iggles off season. Loss Barber but replaced him with a guy who should be just as good. Not sure about the simeneau (sp) kid, but can he be any worse against the pass than Kirkland was? no way. What you lose in Run D just might be made up by the fact that hollis thomas is returning and the eagles have 4 solid inside DT's on the roster. They should be fresh throughout the entire game and not worn down. DE is going to be a stretch. But with the rookies, whiting, ND, and the return of Burgess... they have a chance to be really good. Douglas is going to hurt.. but all hope is not lost. Iggles still have THE best secondary in the league...

Picked up a TE on O. Upgrade at FB. If this team had a true #1 on O, they would be dangerous. The fat man doesnt see it that way. Buck is back and will split time with duce. plus they have westbrooke.

special teams. K is solid and green akres is one of the best in the league. P.. christ, we'll see.. and KR will be Westbrooke. How this turns out i dunno.. it's a stretch. Special teams were shakey at the beg of last year and became quite solid as the year wore on.

Come june first.. the eagles should try and pick up some insurance at MLB incase the new guy doesnt work out. I really think that if an WR with any quality comes up, they should jump on it.

Bottom line... the schedule is tough this year. However everyone in the east has literally the same schedule. I like the tough teams they have to play at home this year. Any time you get the fins in december.. book that as a W. I see no reason that the eagles can't repeat again. I doubt they get home field like last year, but then again they seem to play better on the road in the playoffs anyway...

Now come on horn... your turn cowboy boy....

They are.

You also can't when if your talent is substandard, no matter how much they play together. So you'd better go out and sign some players.

He can.

That's why you go out and get five or six weapons.

And as far as fan support goes, which team has sold out every week since 1966? It ain't the Eagles, I tell you that.

[ May 15, 2003, 11:38 AM: Message edited by: PCC ]

http://slam.canoe.ca/StatsFBP/BC-FBP-STAT-...NATTCOMP-R.html

I see a 61k right there.... is it a sell out if no one shows up?

Norv was fired because he couldnt get a team with talent over the hump.

Danny boi revamped the team and brought in the likes of neon deon... by the time they started playing well... danny lost patience and brought in spurrier. Taking a team that grinds it out, and brings in someone who like an open style... ie 3/4 of the players dont fit his system.

Spurrier revamps the team with ex-fla guys who cant play in the nfl. Now they try and sign a bunch of free agents to build the team. Literally no draft....

3 years, 3 different def coordinators. Suprrier doesnt give a shit about the D...

Once again, this year the skins will suck at the beg of the year and maybe they play better and hit .500 again.

The skins wont win with danny boi as owner. He does not want to build a team, he wants a quick fix. The skins have amazing talent on D, but they have learn another new system. The bigger question is this... who's gonna run the ball for you? Passing is great, but you have to run the ball to win games.

Oh i forgot, look at the skins schedule... i see 6 games that you should lose, right off the bat.

Have you ever heard of no shows?

...a team with old talent

I'd rather have Coles than the 13th pick in the 1st round or Canidate than a 4th round pick or Morton than a 5th round pick or Bowen than a 6th round pick. You see, these are young players that have actually produced in the NFL. Draft picks, particularly after the 3rd round, are a crap shoot. Usually more crap than shoot.

...and still they finish in the top 10 (or top 5) every year

And one more thing, the Eagles win championships about as often as Abe Pollin does with the Wizards. So talk to us when they've won one. It certainly won't be this year. Your wide receivers stink. Your running backs stink. Your best (and only) offensive weapon is coming off a broken foot. You've lost players on defense and the ones you kept are a year older. I suppose it will be mid-October when the national media starts asking why are the Eagles 2-4 or 1-5.

[ May 16, 2003, 05:15 AM: Message edited by: PCC ]

As reluctant as I am to (once again) sound like I'm defending PhillyFan, I feel the need to remind everyone that you're the one who made the utterly brainless observation after McNabb was hurt that the Eagles wouldn't win another game all season. Care to comment?

AHHHHHHH PCC are you still hoping that Joe Gibbs comes back? Let me point out that since he left.... yeah think abou it.

Look at your attendence... ya'all may sell every ticket, but doesnt much look like they show up. We've sold old since 1966 (cause the stadium only sat 45,000).

I stand by my original statement that Washington is Lucky to finish AT THE VERY MOST.. with 8 wins. Dallas gets no more than 5.

I'm not sure what you're talking about here, but the Vet has had a fair number of non-sellouts over the years, and even some games where the game was blacked out because there were so many tickets available the local station didn't buy them up.

RFK, didnt it only seat like 45k?

I never claimed the iggle sold out every game... how could you with rich kotite as the head coach...

Well, the Eagles did win games after McNabb went down but they did lose when it counted most.

And RFK held 56,000.

56k for a stadium, geez even az could get that thing almost full. wait... nevermind.

Lost when it counted? PCC get back to me when the skins show a little heart and gut out consecutive wins when the best player on your O goes down at the end of the season. Hell, show a time in dannyboi years they showed any heart....

The loss in the champ game is not pinned on dmac, it's pinned on being conservative on D in the first half and giving up 20 points.

56,000 was a large stadium in 1966 and we still sold out.

Good job in 1966, what about the late 70's to the early 90's? Great job selling out the matchbox.

We sold out at 56k. We sold out at 84k. There is little doubt who has the most devoted fans in the league because now, we pay the highest ticket prices for a team that's been to the playoffs once in the last ten years.

yes, thats called lemmings... even devoted flyer fans wont pay to go to the games with a shitty team that underachieves.

You sold every ticket blah blah, but look at all the no-shows...

Perhaps the only thing we will both agree on here, the cowgirls stink.