Found this on ESPN.com.

On a bit more serious note, shouldn't he be fired? I mean, he's supposed to be representing Iowa State University. Now all sorts of apologies, but how sincere can he really be. This isn't the first time he's done it. Is he really sorry or just sorry he got caught?

why should he be fired? On his own time, he went to a few parties and hit on a few chicks. He didn't sexually harass any subordinates. He didn't molest any minors. Hell! He didn't even do an intern in his office.

Is it a good PR move? No. But should he be fired? No.

Uh, maybe he does get fired if he signed the contract?

Eustachy, who is paid more than $1 million annually, has a contract with Iowa State that runs through 2011 and stipulates he must provide "positive representation of the university and the university's athletic programs in private and public."

The link:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/colleges/...te.14ff07f.html

Link to the party pics.

http://desmoinesregister.com/sports/basket...achyphotos.html

[ April 29, 2003, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: HornFan ]

Now if this guy were coach at Wisconsin, he'd be in much more trouble for getting caught with such awful beer as Natural Lite ! Yuck. (well it could be worse -- he could be drinking that truly god-awful swill Budweiser -- no wait -- that would have been an SEC coach ...)

I think he should be arrested and stoned to death. We as gay men can't have sex in our own bedrooms but this married man and father of two boys can party and cavort with drunk frat girls while he's on a college basketball road game. Not saying that I'm still bitter about Senator Santorum's remarks, but something just doesn't seem right.

I've just got a feeling its one of those "Tip of the Iceberg" situations. Now he's claiming a drinking problem is to blame for his poor judgement. Don't know if its true or just a convenient excuse.

I don't like the idea of tying one's off-time activities (and people's subjective judgments about them) to one's on the job performance. If he's doing his job as coach (and observing NCAA rules, etc) that should be enough.

Reminds me a little of the crap that President Clinton went through. Off the clock should be your business, period. If I had my way, contracts that included those kind of provisions would be invalid. It's getting to where employers think they can "own" a person full time.

I think the problem is that he was attending these parties with young players from opposing teams and other people that he was supposed to be demonstrating maturity and integrity to. Do I think a coach should be fired for partying? No. Do I think he should be disciplined for drinking with underage young adults, some of whom he is supposed to be mentoring and looking out for their welfare -- yes. It is called integrity and good character, neither of which he demonstrated a great deal. Plus, he is an official of ISU. Anyone should know better than to go party with students.

BTW -- many, many employment contracts have clauses that state just such acts are grounds for dismissal. He could be in a bit of trouble.

torsten- While I agree with you to an extent, being a head coach of a university puts you in the spotlight and everything you do is magnified on and off the court. He lead by example and show responsibility for his actions as he would ask his players to do. He apparently did this same act a couple of years ago as well, with Kansas State students!! I mean come on, frequenting campus beer parties and kissing and flirting with girls the same age as his own children!! I don't think that he should be fired, but I think that he should be severely disciplined!! Believe it or not, he is state of Iowa's highest paid employee!! This will not be swept under the rug. The funny this about this entire story is the Univ. of Missouri student that mailed those pictures to a tabloid thinking that he could make some money off of it, and just garner some notoriety for himself. Well, he didn't make one penny off of this and he gained only minimal attention, while the focus has turned primarily to Larry Eustachy!

And Charlie, you are correct, Coach Larry has a clause on how he should represent the university in his contract, so he is in alot of trouble.

[ April 29, 2003, 08:54 PM: Message edited by: SmoothRon ]

I wasn't making an argument about the status quo of contract law, I was saying how I thought things should be. I've heard no allegations that he did anything illegal or hurt people. And what's this garbage about "young" people. I'm in college and am an ADULT. I make my own damn decisions about my behavior. If I wanted to hang out with the coach at say, Missouri, I would. Well, assuming he doesn't mind a little scandal and whining from the holier than thou types.

Larry, on the other hand.... um... no.

At his press conference today, Coach Eustachy said he has been an alcoholic for the past 25 years and only recently entered counselling. The cynic in me wonders if his (seeming) sudden rush to counselling had anything to do with his knowledge of the existence of these photos and if his public declaration of alcoholism is meant to prevent the University from firing him. Does anyone know whether the disease of alcoholism is covered under the Americans with Disabilities Act &, if it is, can Eustachy claim his actions are covered by the ADA?

The school will hold a press coference at 5:30 today.

~Adam

I'm laughing. No alcoholism is not covered under the american disabilities act.

brings a whole new meaning to having a beer after a tough game...

I'd be more pissed about him hittin parties at rival schools than anything else....

It's a good thing he's partying at rival schools after LOSING to them. If he had won and then went.... someone would have kicked his ass.

Here's the latest from ESPN:

Oh my GOD, he's a regular party animal! Gotta can his ass now!

This is so hilarious--partying with students at rival schools, the Natty Lite (blech!), slobbering all over the co-eds . . . I guess you can take the coach out of the frat, but you can't take the frat out of the coach.

But then, being a party animal doesn't seem to have affected him professionally, at least until the Des Moines Register scooped those photos. He has achieved considerable success as a coach, all the more remarkable because he doesn't seem to take himself too seriously. (I mean, how many coaches can laugh about it the night after their team loses?)

actually Billy, it is a tad more serious than how you portray it. He's partying with co-eds while his wife and two kids are at home. and remember, this is Iowa.

I still don't know if he should be fired. But it is something that should be taken as seriously as a drug arrest or something like that. after all, he is the coach with a PR clause in the contract.

It looks like Iowa State will move to fire him, according to the latest reports. Yes, Ung, this looks kind of weird, & would make him & ISU something of a laughing stock in the media & when the Cyclones play road games (imagine the taunts). Perhaps he gained a slight advantage recruiting by displaying his ability to shotgun a Natty Lite. But I still think this is more funny than scandalous. I mean, there's no evidence that he did anything beyond make a fool out of himself in front of the ladies, & it doesn't appear, at this time, that he broke any laws. He took a cab when he was too slobbery drunk to drive.

I read that his wife & kids are expressing support for him in his upcoming fight to keep his job (though the prospect of losing $1 million plus in annual income would probably move most wives in the same manner). His players are expressing support too, & one must wonder if this could develop into a St. Bonnie-type situation--doubtful but possible. Even with a PR clause in his contract (as arbitrarily as that could be invoked), I just don't think this should be a firing offense, especially considering the number of sleaze-bucket coaches who have kept their jobs after being caught doing things alot worse. What's more, Iowa State has alot to lose by firing him just for the sake of taking a hard moral line--they'll have a hard time finding anyone as good, & they will have to contend with drawn-out litigation (to terminate by invoking a PR clause is never as cut-&-dried as it appears) & possibly player transfers too.

Well, Billy, Larry has already been suspended and has to appear before a board of some kind within 5 days, so it looks like they are about to fire him. But I agree with you, in that his actions deserve some type of disciplinary punishment, but is not grounds for termination. Iowa State will definitely have a very hard time looking for even a decent coach right now, with this being one of most busy college basketball off-seasons in recent memory with several firings, resignations, relocations, and hirings on the coaching front. Besides that, with the Iowa State players steadfastly standing behind their coach, the school face the threat of player transfers if their coach is fired or forced to resign!! It is quite a mess, to say the least!! What happened to the high integrity of college coaches? We're only about 5 months into the year, and we have seen probably more coaching scandals and controversies than anytime in recent memory!!

[ April 30, 2003, 09:17 PM: Message edited by: SmoothRon ]

Billy, I think in this case, saying this incident makes the University look bad is definitely NOT an arbitrary finding. There is no way that this is not negative PR

Larry is officially GONE.


AMES, Iowa -- Iowa State basketball coach Larry Eustachy resigned Monday, one week after the publication of embarrassing photos of him drinking and partying with students.


http://espn.go.com/ncb/news/2003/0505/1549675.html