ALL. With Coach RR in football & Belien in basketball, one gets the feeling WVU is headed to glory years in all athletics. Belien is bringing in an outstanding core group of players next year ( 7 signees). One of them legendary former MountainEER Jerry West's son. Also, WVU seems to be in the lead for 3 of the top 10 players ( 2 of them are considered the top 2) in OJ Mayo, BIlly Walker, and Patrick Patterson for the class of 2007. All three have West Virginia roots & have said they would love nothing else to play for one of the best coaches in America that actually teaches the game the way it should be played.


From a Syracuse newpspaper

This afternoon, a few hours before West Virginia plays Syracuse in a critical Big East Conference men's basketball game at the Carrier Dome, the Mountaineer team bus will come to a stop in front of the Kiddle home on Nelson Avenue in DeWitt.

West Virginia coach John Beilein will climb out to begin a familiar ritual: He will go to the door and ask Teddy Kiddle if he's ready to go. Then Beilein will shake hands with Shirley Kiddle, Teddy's mother, and with anyone else in the family who happens to be around, before Teddy and the coach get on the bus and leave for the Dome.

Once the game begins, a seat on the West Virginia bench will be reserved for Teddy, the assistant equipment manager at Le Moyne College.
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It extends a friendship that began when Beilein coached at Le Moyne. He would pick up Teddy before every home game and drop him off once it was over. That continued until Beilein left Le Moyne in 1992 to coach at Canisius, before the coach moved on to Richmond, and now to West Virginia.

Every time Beilein's returned to Syracuse with any of those teams, Teddy has had a seat on the bus and a spot on Beilein's bench.

"This just speaks volumes about this man," said Le Moyne athletic director Dick Rockwell. "He's coaching on that elite level, and he's got to come here and play Syracuse in a hostile environment, and he still takes

the time to do something like this."

The benefits, in Beilein's view, come to him. "He's a good friend, a great friend, who's been with us through thick and thin," the coach said of Teddy. "Every day, he really shows you what's important in life."

Teddy, 55, has worked at Le Moyne for 33 years. He was brought in by Tom Niland, Beilein's uncle and the school's athletic director at the time. Shirley Kiddle remembers how a teacher from East Syracuse-Minoa, where Teddy had taken special-education courses, went to Niland and told him about Teddy.

"He had some limitations," Shirley said. "But he could do a job."


Niland, who died in 2004, hired Teddy to work in maintenance in Le Moyne's Henninger Athletic Center. But Teddy was never really happy with his job until Rockwell asked if he would shift into a position as an assistant equipment manager under John "Doc" Joiner.

Every morning,Teddy takes a cab to work. At 7 a.m., he unlocks the athletic center doors. Then he gets busy with tasks that include washing Le Moyne's team uniforms. It often falls to Teddy to make sure each uniform is in the appropriate locker before a varsity game.

"There isn't an athlete who comes through Le Moyne who doesn't know Teddy Kiddle," said Rockwell, pointing to a wall covered with cards and notes from student ballplayers, thanking Joiner and Teddy.
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Through his job, Teddy became friends with retired boxing champion Carmen Basilio, a former Le Moyne physical education teacher who'd drive Teddy to celebrity sports banquets. Teddy also spent years helping out at East Syracuse-Minoa High School football games. He was the guy who toweled off the ball on muddy nights, a duty that earned him an award of thanks from ES-M for 25 years of service.

Yet no bond was as enduring as the one he forged with Beilein, who asked Teddy to distribute water from the bench. "I'd give him a ride to every game, and he'd always wait patiently for me to give him a ride home," Beilein said.

He particularly appreciates how Teddy had the grace to provide the coach with space after painful losses, space many people around a team don't understand. Teddy, for his part, said the courtesy went both ways.

"He's alwaysbeen good to me," Teddy said. "He's a really, really, really good coach. He's proved it in the NCAAs with Canisius and Richmond and with West Virginia."

Tonight, Teddy will receive the privileges of anyone associated with West Virginia. He'll have open access to the locker room in the Dome, and he'll sit on the floor with the team beneath the crowd, where he'll help - as always - with getting the players water.

Beilein sometimes jokes with Teddy about his secret loyalties. He asks him not to share Mountaineer strategies with Syracuse University coach Jim Boeheim. Beilein wonders out loud if Teddy, at heart, is a fan of the Orange.

That kidding brings an earnest reaction from Teddy. To him, Beilein is the guy who always sends him Christmas cards, the guy who brought the West Virginia bus to pick him up during a snowstorm, the guy who mentioned Teddy's name in an interview in The New York Times.

Teddy is a Central New York loyalist who likes Syracuse just fine, but on the day of any West Virginia game he goes into an office at Le Moyne, where he asks the staff to fax Beilein the same message:

"Good luck," he tells his friend. "I hope you win."

I agree that Belien is a good coach, he will be a great addition to the ACC coaching list if he moves to Wake Forest next season, as is rumored.

Well Fluffer: Big Deal!! West's son is only rated as a 2-star recruit. And of that \"core group\", whatever that is supposed to imply, NONE of them have 5 or even 4 star ratings.
http://rivalshoops.rivals.com/commitlist.a...ort=2&School=96

Ummmm...BULLSHIT! Neither May nor Patterson even have WVU as one of their top 5 choices. Dream on buddy!
http://www.collegehoopsnet.com/recruiting/...nking/index.htm

Well, I guess they'll be headed to UNC then.

LOL

Regarding the "rumor", that is comical. He has no wished to coach at a private school in ACC land. Why demote yourself? He is staying at WVU as he laughed at UVA when they offered him.

If Belien were to do the unthinkable, WVU lands Huggins. Either way, WVU will always have one of the elite coaches in America.

Regarding Patrick & Mayo, they sure in the hell wont end up at UNC.

Btw, check out rivals & Scout ( alot better service than Hoopscoopplaygroundalaska.com source you referenced. LOL!) Mayo & Patterson both have wanted to play for WVU since they were kids.


http://westvirginia.rivals.com/quicklist.a...&Year=2007&qs=1

Sorry Tar Heel as you little cute program in a wattered down ACC makes the NCAA because it doesn't compete in the Big East.

Nothing like a gay man with a Napolean complex.
wink

So bringing a retard on the bus makes you some staple of the best thing since sliced bread?

Is Bluffy really trying to tell everyone that the WVU program is now going to out recruit such teams as Uconn, Syracuse, UNC, Duke, Arizona, UCLA, Texas.. and any other MAJOR program? The school might get some nice recruits with something to prove, but they will never compete with these schools.

Plus this guy has one good run in the tourney. No way you can put him in the league of any of the coaches at those major programs who have actually WON national titles.

This man’s resume doesn’t even add up to say, Ben Howland’s resume over at UCLA who just might win when he’s not even playing with his own recruits just yet. Howland turned around a Big Sky team that never made the tourney in school history. Brought in kids to play a 3 point shooting style. Went to Pitt and completely turned around a lost program into a tough defensive team. Then takes his coaching skills to the Pac-10. 3 completely different styles of basketball and three very successful runs. That is the mark of a good up and coming coach… Not one run in the NCAA’s and letting some retard on your bus.

"little cute program"--by that I assume you mean National Champions and 14 times in the Final Four? And WVU has what? one trip to the final 8?

Fluffly, I seriously doubt that a more ironic statement has ever been made.

I would rather be with the retard than the flaming faggot from philly. wink

Best you can come up with the bluffy?

It's one thing to have school pride (usually a school you ACTUALLY attended) and it's another thing to just be flat out blind with with school pride (of somewhere ya daddy took ya for games).

Belien may turn out to be a good coach, but he doesnt even sniff the resumes of the actually up and coming great young coaches of college basketball.

If he is, he moves on to a major basketball program like wake forest, Kansas, Duke, UNC, Uconn, Syracuse, UCLA, Stanford, etc.

WVU will never be more than a stepping stone for great coaches (like Pitt)

Sorry if the truth hurts.

Fluff n Buff Well, I'm not sure about the flaming part. He's pretty unflaming in my opinion.

You are a philly fan with an opinion.

Do you know how comical that is to the sporting world?


It's like Rutgers fan passing their opinions around as credible.

That really does not make alot of sense there fluffer, if it's the case of a "Philly Fan" having an opinion and being like Rutgers (which is closer to NYC) what would a WVU "Fan" (not alumni) be able to have an opinion on? Coal Mining? Couch Burning? Sleeping with your uncle? Not winning national championship? being low class people who live in shacks?

As everyone has pointed out to you, WVU is just an also ran in the big east (that now has about 50 teams in the conf). Once you accept this fact and realize no "top notch" coach is going to stay there long term, the easier your life will be. The sooner you will lose that chip on your shoulder.

I'd also hate to break the news to you, but i'm not an alumni from any of the schools in philly so none of them are my teams. Some of them I would root for, but... i guess that's just a school pride thing you never picked up.

He's crazy if he does that....why take a step down to WF....a place where they have less of a hoops history than WV and go to a conference that since adding their football schools has dropped a bit in hoops.

Thank goodness the ACC has perennial superpowers like Duke and NC.....that would be a sad hoops conference wo them.

Sorry, Belein is a good coach who is every bit as good as guy like Howland. Like Howland, Belein coached at a mid-major(Canisius) in the mid 90's and brought them to the NIT final 4('95) and then to the NCAA's the next year with a team that wasn't as good as the previous one.

Then he takes the cash and leaves Buffalo for Richmond....yep, another NCAA bid, and an NCAA tourney win over SC in '98.

And now WV....if Buff had been on this board when Belein showed up...well, he wouldn't have been - no sense getting hammered on after every loss. Belein has brought this program back into national prominence....for how long time will tell. But if Belein's track record means anything it could be a while.

take a look here and see....nothing but success. And all the while making his way up the ladder based on that alone. He's not part of any coaching legend's(Pitino,Knight,Smith....blah blah) tree....simply won games and got his opportunities through that alone.

just sayin'

LOL !! haahaahaahaaa.....when was West Virginia ever a national power?

How long? About one more month. Pittsnogle, Herber, Gansey, etc....they are all seniors! West Virginia loses 5 of its top 6 players. Next year, they will be in the middle-lower section of the Big East at best, with no mention of any national prominence.

Keep thinking that.

Kinda like UNC. They won the Naitonal Championship last year, but were insignificant this year and 2 years ago.

You do know Duke is the premier team of the ACC, right?

Q: what does UNC have that WVU doesnt?

A: Natl Championships and teef.

Wouldn't surprise me a bit.....then again, thats what they were right about this time last year.
Make no mistake, even without Buffy's wild predictions we'd still be talking these guys up...especially about how they've fallen off the face of the earth lately wink .

I have an entire set of perfect white teeth & would bet the bank I am a hell of alot easier on the eyes than you.

I guess I win, huh?

Yeah but you dont reside in Morgantown and you never attended the college... Not really a true Eeerer...

Gravytrainer, yes, true WVU no.

Fluff Isn't this like the guys that call themselves HOT and they are trolls?

just sayin if you have to toot your own horn, the horn ain't worth havin.

Make whatever assesment you wish.

The reality is I'm a WVU fan that & know many like me that are exactly the opposite of your assertions.

Additionally, America would pick me over you fools any day of the week.

Call me arrogant or whatver you need to to make your little fountain fairy lives better. However, the reality is you probably possess the attributes of the insults that are being hurled at WVU and its fans.

Fluffiest Yep, right on schedule. This is the point where you know that you can no longer argue intelligibly and use the "I'm a poor state and stereotyped...quit picking on me!"

Fluffy, you sling more shit than anyone on this board. however, the first time some shit hits you, you pull this crap.

Fountain fairies?

Ok boys, I'll pay for his first 5 visits to therapy...anyone else ponying up?

[ February 23, 2006, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Aubie In Bham ]

Sorry, I've already promised to take Fluffy out to eat at the nicest restaurant in Morgantown.
http://www.bostonbeanery.com/
And that's going to set me back about $15.

Don't forget the $5 coupon, Tarheel.

I wonder if they took the retard to there after the game?

We could all chip in for a tshirt for the fluffer.

http://www.bostonbeanery.com/gc&merch.htm

[ February 24, 2006, 11:15 AM: Message edited by: PhillyFan ]

I hope they go there after the game and not before. Pew wee that would be bad before the game.

We already know Fluffy is full of hot air and add bean gas on top of that. There'd be sh** coming from both ends.

I think the key would be that the players on the team would get the retard to eat all the beans...

You guys need to find boyfriends.

Well, that is assuming that you fools are at least somewhat visually stimulating.

Big Assumption.

Lonesome Fluffy Well, Fluffster, 14 years for me and Mr. Aubie...so, don't think I'll be needing to "find" me one.

Well when Fluffer said:

I took it to mean that I could have more than one!

Tarheel, one if MORE than enough.

"I took it to mean that I could have more than one!" - TarHeel

Well, whatever floats your boat/raft if a Cane fan Or if an Auburn fan, whatever hitches your trailer.

[ February 27, 2006, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: WVUBuff ]

Wow. Rodriquez and Belien must be the best coaches in America. They coach ALL athletic teams at WVU, according to this. I want to know which one is in charge of balance beam for the women's gymnastics team. I'm guessing the one with the nickname Twinkle Toes.

I admit I have been mean to some PSU posters.

I wil give credit to where credit is due.

Joe Pa is easily the best coach over the age of 75.

LOL!

As will I... Rodriquez and Belien are the coaches most likely to be trapped in a coal mine. Errrrrrrrr... I mean, the best coaches in the state of West Virginia. Yeah, that's what I meant.

[ February 27, 2006, 05:40 PM: Message edited by: Penn State ]

I hardly call them trapped. Every school that has an opening in Division 1 covets them They choose to coach at WVU.

Also, a PSU fan attempting some basketball conversation is comical. Its similar to these Auburn fools.

Oh, here we go. Give me a list of the schools they have turned down to stay at WVU. Or are you back to giving your opinion as fact?

Where was I talking basketball? I think we were talking about your coaches.

But as long as you are going there... most years, a WVU fan attempting to talk football is comical, despite the "legendary" Don Nehlen, and "#1 pick of EVERY athletic director" Rich Rodriquez.

WVU = top 20 schools in NCAA in all time wins

I hardly call that a JOKE. Actually, it makes them one of the better 15-20 programs in America.

Additionally, Penn State is to college basketball what Vanderbilt is to college football.

Btw, WVU has been better than PSU in football in the last 5 years and its not even close.

Good luck next year. You will need it.

Remember they do have something in common in basketball... neither has won a natl championship...

Just sayin

Which program has played for the national championship ( Final 4 championship game & Football Championship game) in both sports? Which school won the NIT when it was the most tourney?

Top 20 in all time wins & top 15 in all time wins in basketball.

When the NIT was still the big tourney....

God, that was a long ass time ago.

Nothing like living in the past, there must have only been about 4-5 schools in it at that time.

You would expect a school with that much prowess to have at least one championship to it's credit. I guess these facts, once again, point to the failure of WVU Athletics to make it's mark in major college sports. How proud you must be of the word "ZERO" .

Uhhh.....Fluffy....OK, West Virginia did win the NIT....in 1942....but NO it was not the major tourney....the NCAA championship tourney began a few years prior in 1939. When WVU won the NIT it was just a consolation tourney like it is today.

And you guys are not in the Top 15 or 20 in all-time basketball wins....WVU is #25.

NCAA 2006 Men's Basketball Records Book (p.47)
[Caution - LARGE (4.5m) PDF file]

Guess which "little program" as you called it, is #2 all-time in wins?? (hint: they are also ranked higher than WVU in the polls now)


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[ March 13, 2006, 08:24 AM: Message edited by: m1 ]

ooops...duplicate post, so I'll just change it to say that West Virginia sucks.

[ February 28, 2006, 01:05 PM: Message edited by: HotlantaTarheel ]

Wow Hotlanta Tarheel, thanks for posting those facts .

Hey Fluffer, check out page 193, I see where West Virginia has 16-19 record in the NCAA tournament. Gotta love those facts , Fluffer.

ZERO National Championships in football and basketball, you must be proud.

Best I can tell WVU was THE BEST TEAM EVER, IN 1950... something.

I dont even think Poke fans hold onto the glory days like that...

WVU is a better football team than Kansas & basketball program than Notre Dame.
Sucks to be you.

Typical fluffer-nutter. I asked for a list of schools his coaches have turned down, and he gives us all time wins info.

As long as we're going there... going into this season, WVU had 1452 wins in men's BB. Penn State had 1251. Both schools have been playing for about 100 years. So WVU has averaged about 2 more wins per year than Penn State. If PSU is the Vanderbilt of men's college BB, then WVU hasn't been that much better, considering the number of games played each year.

As for the last 5 years of football. The last time I checked, our #3 ranking this year beats your #5/6 ranking. In 2002, our #15/16 ranking beats your #20/25 ranking. In 2001, 2003, 2004 you did have a better record than us. However, while those years were an aberration for our program, they were typical WVU seasons (3-8, 8-5, 8-4). I'll take our 770+ all time wins over your 630+ any day.

As for glory years in WVU athletics, your school has won a commendable 14 NCAA Championships (13 in coed rifle--too bad Cheney didn't go to WVU). But you have some catching up to do. Penn State has 30 NCAA Championships in 9 sports (+2 football National Championships the NCAA doesn't recognize, since there is no tourney). That ranks us #10 all time in NCAA Championships.

See, I can change the subject on a thread too.

Actually, I have to defend fluffer-nutter on this one. The NCAA tourney was not the major tourney until the mid 50's. The NIT was the premier tourney up until that point. It was the original tourney, and had 12 teams, versus 8 for the NCAA. In the mid 50's, the NCAA started giving automatic bids to conference champions, and expanded to 25 teams, which is when it started to become the playoff for the national championship. Penn State has a NCAA final four appearance in the 50's, which sounds great now, but doesn't mean as much.

In terms of official NCAA championships, only those won in the NCAA tourney count. But National Champions were generally recognized as coming from the NIT until the mid 50's.

Belien turned down the UVA job last year.

Also, Alabama was interested in Coach RR before hiring Shula, but Coach RR declined interest.


Watch and see what happend this off season with Coach Belien. He will have missouri and other big time schools afte rhim. Missouri is actively pursuing him. He has stated he has no interest other than the great job in Morgantown coaching in what is turning into a top 10-20 program.

Its a great time to be a MountainEER!