Discuss?

A couple of things jump out:
Air Force in and Cincy out?
Tennessee a No. 2 and Gonzaga a 3?

Hmm, flame bait Buffy?

It's really not that surprising. This is pretty much what people were predicting all season. When a league has 16 teams, 8 isn't that big of deal.

Hey Buffalina, what about your season long prediction of West Virginia getting a Number One seed?

It's called a "six" and falling fast.

Jim Nance and Billy Packer are asses, by the way, arguing with the committee chair that bigger conferences should get bids over the mid-majors based upon what has occurred in past touraments.

Gonzaga players should be happy with a 3, and their lack of reaction on CBS was pitiful.

Tennessee a 2? That's a joke.

8 teams isn't a big deal? LOL

Lets see. 4 of the ACC's 12 teams made the tourney ( same as the MVC).

8 of the Big East's 16 teams made the NCAA.

ACC had .333 of its teams make the NCAA.
Big East had .500 make the NCAA.

Also, if Louisville, Cincy ( should have been the 9th team), Notre Dame, & possibly Rutgers were in the ACC or Big 10, they would have been NCAA teams.

The selection committee did an outstanding job IMO. The recgonized the MVC and ACC are about the same level competition and rewarded both with 4 teams each.

I do think Cinnci not getting in and Air Force getting in is a joke. I also think that UCONN got the easiest draw of the 4 .. Tenn a #2 seed? Get real. Its tourney time and anyone can beat anyone. Will be an interesting ride the next few weeks.

When did I state WVU would be a #1 seed?

You and the other ERRONEOUS wabbling fools on this board are as accurate as the ACC is in winning BCS bowl games. LOL!

I never have stated WVU would be a #1 seed. You can backtrack and check the archives if you want.

Have at it champ. I do understand there is an element that loves to ATTEMPT to correct All things BUFF on the message board. Its kinda cute to actually see some of you put down the curling iron, eye liner, and sotckings to actually attempt to discuss sports.


As I have always said, there is always someone faster, quicker, and simply better.

[ March 12, 2006, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Jim at Outsports ]

And the Big Ten got over half their teams into the tournament, doesn't mean anything. Also, the ACC and MVC same level of competition? That's a lie. Look at the average seed for the ACC and the average seed for the MVC. I think you might see a difference.

Edit:

Decided to calculate it myself:

ACC: Average is a 4 seed
MVC: Average is a 10 seed

[ March 12, 2006, 04:41 PM: Message edited by: Illini_fan ]

I just see 4 teams each.

Actually the MVC only has 10 teams compared to the 12 from the ACC.

The MVC is better.

Yeah, we'll test that little theory next week when the ACC has more teams in the Sweet 16.

Maybe the Big 10 & ACC combined will equal the Big East's number of teams that advance to the sweet 16.

or maybe not.

Im just sayin. wink

Buffy just reeling you guys in again....he seems to be pretty good at that.

Cincy got screwed...Air Force and Utah State are fraud at large bids....I think the ACC should have gotten have 5 bids with Florida State.

How does GW get an 8 seed and Syracuse a 5?

I thought conference tournaments were meaningless.

I was very surprised to see Utah St get a bid--maybe they're making up for a recent tourney (last year? the year before?) where they got screwed when they din't win their conference championship after dominating the regular season. I think the Big East got the right number of bids, but I would have taken Cinci over Seton Hall.

Overall, I think they overreacted to the conference tournaments: Syracuse, UCLA and Iowa are all too high.

I thought the Big East would get eight teams in, but I was sure the 8th would be Cincy. I don't understand taking Seton Hall over the Bearcats.

As for Tennessee, they're not even a legitimate # 2 in their own regional - I would've reversed their seeding with North Carolina, who got the # 3 seed in that region.

Gonzaga? Puh--leeeze! They belong in the Pac 10 with all the over-ranked, over-praised, underperforming, slow, spoiled white bys at Stanford, Cal, USC and UCLA. Look for them to get no further than the Sweet Sixteen.

The NIT field has been released....ACC fans should be happy, they got 6 teams in. The Big East got 4.

It really all comes down to RPI and SOS, in addition to wins and losses. After this weekend Syracuse was ranked 17 in RPI to GWs 37. The strength of schedule was a total mismatch as well with Syracuse scoring a .6048 to GWs .4766

In the case of Air Force vs Cinncy, I agree on paper Cinncy should have gotten in as their RPI ranking of 40 is better than Air Force at 50. I can only surmise that the selection committee had made up their mind that only 8 Big East teams would get in regardless of anything else.

[ March 12, 2006, 07:20 PM: Message edited by: phillyrunner ]

Agree wholeheartedly with this.....no reason why Cincy shouldn't have been in the field....

An ironic twist that may have some accuracy:

Wouldn't it be something if Cincy was one of the last clubs in.....until crosstown rival Xavier took it away by winning the A-14 tournament?

[ March 12, 2006, 07:25 PM: Message edited by: blueraider ]

So the post season bids go as follows

ACC Big East
NCAA Tourney 4 8
NIT 6 4

Total Post Season Teams 10 12

Total % of Conference 83% 75%

So a larger percentage of teams from the ACC are playing in the post season.

The bottom line is the Big East has 8 teams in the tourny. It's first time that's ever been done.

I still say that's a skewed number, seeing as there are 16 teams in the league. Leagues have gotten in a higher percentage of their teams, which I think is the more impressive stat.

Illini Fan you can spin away all you want to, but the reality is the 9th ( cincy), 10th ( Louisville), 11th ( ND), and probably 12th ( rutgers) place teams from the Big East would have fiished in the top 5 in the ACC and Big 10.

The Big East was flat out loaded this year. This is evidenced by the ACC Champs ( Duke) losing to the Big East's 7th place team Gtown) & Seton Hall (8th place team) smoking NC State (4th place ACC team) by 20 plus points in Raliegh.

Also, the Big East's 15th place team smoked Wake Forest ( who made ACC tourney semifinals) at Wake .

It would take the ACC's best 8 teams & Big 10's best 8 teams to even come close to the 16 teams of this years Big East.

It was that kind of year. It also shows in may of the NBA mock drafts that have up to 20 Big East players that could be selected.

Where did I say the Big East wasn't a good conference? What I'm saying is this number you guys are touting to prove it really doesn't hold much weight considering the number of teams in the conference. As for the 9th-12th place claim, that's pure speculation. Big East, ACC and Big 10 are all different styles of basketball. You never know.

Just so you know, I have UCONN as my national champion and 'Nova in the Final Four.

There is still only a field of 64/65. The Big East has the most teams of all the conferences at 8.

You can look at it that way but does anyone really care about the NIT other than schools playing in the NIT? In fact, I think they should just get rid of the NIT.

Can you honestly with a straight face say Rutgers would be a top five team in the ACC.. Louisville is suspect as well since I think they count as one of the huge disappointments in the NCAAs this season after starting off in the top 5 in the country.

I still say Cinci was robbed. They truely deserved to be in over the likes of Air Force and George Mason.

LEts just see who the last team standing is at the end of the season. If it is a Big East team then by all means congrats .. If it is an ACC team same thing.

The beauty of NCAA Basketball Playoffs is you do end up with one winner with no question unlike NCAA football most of the time.

Lets take the time to enjoy what should be an interesting and entertaining tourney!

Does the top 64 teams have any greater significance than the top 12 ?? Because the ACC has 3 teams in the top 12 of the final rankings....the big east has only 2.
3 to 2 OWNED !!!

Golly, I wish we had a South Florida to pad the record of the rest of our teams too.

Well the ACC could have had them if they wanted to, but why take them when you already have Clemson?

Or the Big East could have had VT, UVA, Wake, Clemson, GT, FSU, MD, Miami,& NC State in its league to pad UNC's, BC's, Duke's schedule.


The Big East garnered 2 of the top 4 seeds. (2-1)
Also, there are 6 ranked teams in the top 25. ( 6-3)

Moreover, te Big East doubled the ACC's numer of teams in the NCAA 8-4.

If this is what you consider ownerthip, my heart goes out to you there champ.

"ownerthip".....my Fluffy....your lisp has gotten as bad as your limp wrist!

WVU has a tough draw....but to show my maturity, despite all our disagreements Fluffhole, I'll offer you a free place to stay if WVU makes it to the regionals in ATL and you decide to attend.

[ March 13, 2006, 07:41 AM: Message edited by: HotlantaTarheel ]

Just me guess, Tarheel...I thinks Buffy will stay at home to see his dearly beloved Volunteers provided that they make the regionals.

But hey, I'LL be in Atlanta in about six months or so...


wink

[ March 13, 2006, 12:00 PM: Message edited by: blueraider ]

Now I know why you are always taking shots at him. You like him, you REALLY like him. wink

Sooner.....notice I said "if WVU makes the regionals"....so I have nothing to worry about. wink

I saw your pic in your profile. I think you two could make great porn together. I get to hold the camera. wink

I said “if” because I don't count on anything until it's official. I don't count on WVU making a great run. I don't count on WVU not making a great run. I can same the same thing for UNC, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, the lottery, etc…

It still doesn't make sense to say that 8 out of 16 is impressive in itself. What you imply is this feat is more impressive than 7 out of 10 teams from a conference getting in, which it really isn't.

Well, the final RPI ratings are in, and once again, the Big 10 comes out on top. Sorry Fluffer, those bottom feeders in the Big East really brought y'all down.

And Illini, don't bother trying to argue statistics with WVU fans. They don't understand 'em. wink

I don't know whether to laugh or be pissed off. Since I have a good sense of humor, I choose the former.

P.S. blueraider wears panties

Only a matter of time before we heard from Tigah.....

I understand what he is saying gerbilboy. There has never been a conference have 8 teams in the NCAA. That was my point, period.

Answer me this then: How many conferences have had 16 teams since the field expanded to 65?

We are talking in circles. I said above I understand what you are saying. % I got it. I'm saying No conference has ever had 8 teams. No conference has ever has 16 teams in it. That’s just basic facts. You know if the Big 10 had 16 teams they might have 8 teams in the NCAA tourney but you only have 11. The Big East is the first to do it. It’s cool for the Big East. Got it?

Great Point OUSooner.


Cincy, Louisville, and maybe ND were NCAA teams, but beacuse of talent asn scheduling, its impossible to have 10-11 teams with winning conference records.

Louisville finished the season at 7-9 in BE play. They were 12-1 out of conference.

Louisville played no one outside of there conference except Kentucky (and lost by 12), so to make that your point shows the weakness of your argument. They had no quality wins, they are getting there chance in the NIT, where they belong.

As I posted awhile ago in the BigEast thread, Louisville's best win out of conference was against Akron. Their schedule was crap. Combine that with an under .500 conference record, and the only reason they were even considered for the NCAA was because of last year's run. Serious fans know this.

Big East gets four teams into the sweet 16.
Yes I know out of 8 bids, yet I have this point:

All of whom were members of the conference last season. Expansion or no, they still would have had four.

The ACC on the other hand....hmmmm.......

Good Point Blueraider.

Without Question, the Big East banner is sailing proudly with the recent and continued success of the Counference.

*BCS Bowl Victory
*a 8 teams invited to NCAA tounrey with 4 advancing to the Sweet 16
*a record 7 teams invited to the women's NCAA tourney.

Mike Trangese & the Big East are simling and humbled by their success. Just two years after many were unfairly piling on and forecasting the demise of the beloved conference after the raid, the conference had shown more punch and firepower with additions than with the three deaprting overrated programs that departed.

[ March 19, 2006, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: WVUBuff ]

Funny how all the big 10 fan disappeared. By the way has ELEVEN teams which would mean that 5 teams out of that conference is not 50% Just thought I'd point that out.

Well, we see now that the big 10 sucked all along. they have ZERO teams in the sweet 16 while the BE has 4. The ACC? Well, BC and Duke are still alive while UNC chokes like someone blowing Ron Jeremy with a bad gag reflex.

And to add one more thing....I know this is somewhat silly because you can't ever know how things would have been had conferences stayed with the same makeup......

7 of the 8 Big East clubs that qualified for the big dance were members last season, and add Backstabbing College to that list as a former member you still have 8 clubs.

Expansion or no, still the best in America at this time.

Ummmmmmmmmmm... maybe, maybe not. I don't know how scheduling works in your conference (perhaps you can enlighten me), but if you have the old alignment, would the top teams in the conference played each other more often during the regular season? If so, one of those teams has to lose. It also would change your matchups in the Big East tournament. More losses obviously affects seeding in the NCAA Tournament, so you don't get the same draws and matchups.

The Big East has an accomplishment so far that they should be proud of (and you know it kills me to say that).

It's all pretty cyclical. After all, we can't have 2 teams getting to the Final 4 EVERY year. A few years back, it was the Big East that was biffing in the tourney. While the BE is on the upswing now, just remember that the ACC has had 4 different teams in the national title game from (2001-2005), and from '99-'05 the Big 10 has had 5 teams in the Final 4 (OSU, MSU, Wisc, Illini, IU)

[ March 19, 2006, 07:26 PM: Message edited by: Boltergeist ]

Just thought I'd point out they had 6 teams in the tourney, so that would be more than 50%. We know you can spell, now get the math skills up there. wink