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George Twins fan
Wonder how long before these guys start naming names to cut deals? From ESPN.com:

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Barry Bonds' personal trainer, a track coach and top executives of a San Francisco-area nutritional supplements lab were charged Thursday with running an illegal drug distribution operation.

The 42-count federal indictment returned by a grand jury in San Francisco and obtained by The Associated Press alleges the scheme provided anabolic steroids, human growth hormone, EPO and other drugs to major league baseball and NFL players, as well as track and field stars.
 
Barry's Boy Busted!
MIB
Are big names about to be revealed? HERE is an article on that.
Bill W
The first player name to appear in Balco-related documents leaked to the NY Times is not Bonds:

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The personal trainer for Barry Bonds told federal agents that he gave steroids to several baseball players, according to an affidavit that the United States Attorney's office made public Tuesday.

In releasing the documents via e-mail to The New York Times, the attorney's office inadvertently revealed that Yankees outfielder Gary Sheffield sent mail to the supplements laboratory that is being investigated as the source of the steroids. The documents do not allege that Sheffield used steroids.

He had already been identified as one of a number of professional athletes who testified before the federal grand jury investigating the laboratory, known as the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative, or Balco.

But Sheffield's name is the first to come out in documents released in the six days since the grand jury handed up indictments against Bonds's trainer, Greg Anderson, and three other men, all on charges of illegally distributing anabolic steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs to dozens of professional athletes...

\"Anderson initially denied `distributing' steroids, but acknowledged that he sometimes `gave' steroids to persons whom he knew,\" said one affidavit written by Jeff Novitzky, a special agent for the Internal Revenue Service. \"Upon further questioning, Anderson admitted that he had given steroids to several professional baseball players whose names I was familiar with from my review of other documents in this investigation.\"
 


[ February 18, 2004, 06:57 AM: Message edited by: Bill W ]
Joe in Philly
Turk Wendell says Bonds used steroids!

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Colorado pitcher Turk Wendell told The Denver Post that if his personal trainer had been linked to, and charged in, an alleged steroid ring, he wouldn't get the same treatment that Bonds has.

\"If my personal trainer, me, Turk Wendell, got indicted for that, there's no one in the world who wouldn't think that I wasn't taking steroids,\" the Rockies relief pitcher told The Denver Post. \"I mean, what, because he's Barry Bonds, no one's going to say that?

\"I mean, obviously he did it. [His trainer] admitted to giving steroids to baseball players. He just doesn't want to say his name. You don't have to. It's clear just seeing his body.\"

Bonds' retort from Giants camp in Scottsdale, Ariz.: \"I'm not going to comment on ignorance. Who's he?\"
wade n atlanta
I don't care for Bonds. I think he used a performance enhancer to get a long held record or two and that if this does hold true, he should have his name removed from the record books, Mark Maguire too for that matter.
There is a problem I have though with Turk Wendell throwing another player under the bus. That goes against the unwritten codes in baseball. He is not an investigator, nor is he the law. He has no place calling out another player in my opinion. I say, leave that to MLB, and law officials. Now if MLB does not do anything further to investigate or brush the issue asside because it's "Barry", then I will call MLB to the carpet!
MSUBulldog
You know, these allegations are all anti-climatic (sp) anyway. Just like Rose admitting he bet on baseball, in about 15 years after Barry is retired we'll get the true story. At least McGwire admitted that andro helped get him to the top.
Jim Allen
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\"Who's he?\"
You'll find out when a 90 MPH fastball is heading towards your noggin.

Wade, sure, Wendell is breaking the code of silence, but I think there's a real resentment amongst players who aren't juicing towards those who are.

I'm pretty sure that Trot Nixon of the Red Sox juiced in the offseason 2002-2003. He put on something like 20 lbs. of muscle in the offseason; you simply can't do that without help.
Adam
Bonds' and Giambi's suddenly svelte appearnces this spring training make the rumors even more persistent. And Giambi saying that he lost "just four pounds" over the winter is ludicrous! Saying that, I find it appalling and disingenuous of reporters to ask individual players (Sheffield) whether they would undergo testing "right now" if the reporter were to set it up. They know the players' union won't allow that sort of testing & are asking only to show up the player. It's ridiculous. I'm surprised Donald Fehr hasn't spoken up about this practice--it is his job to protect the best interests of the players.

~Adam
JC
When did Baseball's new steroid regulations come into effect? If it wasn't until this year, baseball has no reason to investigate the past. Bonds could be up for criminal charges, but not on the steroid policy. Anyway, baseball's policy is so lenient, nothing much would happen to Bonds anyway. Only his public image (not that rosy anyway) would suffer. It's noteworthy that there's been so much more attention paid to Bonds thus far than to the equally involved (but much more popular) Giambi.

I also fully expect they'll claim that they didn't know THG was an illegal anabolic steroid. They'll probably argue that they were told it wouldn't trigger a positive test and assumed that meant it wasn't a banned substance. Not saying it's true, but that's the way they'll play the game, and it may be tough to prove otherwise.
phillyrunner
Bonds wants to take on Wendell for blabbing to the media. Bonds basically says that if Wendell has a problem he should confront him like a man and not talk to the Media. I wonder if Bonds and Wendell will have an altercation on the field this year if they face each other.
Marc
It's interesting that Barry Bonds, upset as he was with Turk Wendell's allegations, did not actually deny having taken steroids (at least not in the TV clip I saw tonight).
George Twins fan
I love these guys like Bonds and Sheffield and Sosa who have all boasted that they will happily be tested. Of course, only under the provision that the union apporoves it. Yeah, that'll happen!
coyoteugly
Yep, remember when Sosa did that interview with Rick Reilly. Sammy Sosa has long boasted that he would be "first in line" to take a steroid test, if and when the baseball players' union decides to allow it. In an interview, Sports Illustrated's Rick Reilly challenged the Chicago Cubs slugger to take one right away. Sosa refused, telling Reilly, "You're not my father!" and calling the columnist a "motherf**ker."

You know, if you’re innocent, you have nothing to lose, right?
batboy
So is Turk Wendell going to testify in court about Bonds? Give me a break! Wendell is basically saying that Bonds is guilty by association. Yeah, that's the kind of American justice we want to live by. Bonds' trainer got indicted. Bonds' body is too superhuman looking. Yeah, he must be guilty! PUH-lease. If Wendell said something like he saw Bonds sticking a needle in his buttocks or that he found some pills in Bonds' bag, then I'd take his comments more credibly. But give me a break! Jealously is not evidence in court. Geesh!
shore
Does anyone know what Bonds is calling Wendell in the beeped interviews on ESPN? I think he is saying "chickenshit" but I can't make out what he's callling him. And who believes anything Sosa has to say? And Bonds protests too much. I'm glad the mudslinging has begun, maybe it will open this up and clean it out.

By the way, Barry, do you think any pro wrestlers use steroids?
coyoteugly
Bonds, who denies using steroids, lashed back at Wendell, telling reporters that the Rockies pitcher should have spoken to him instead of through the media, calling the reliever's actions "chicken----."

Yep, chickenshit it is.
ung
let's see... Barry Bonds is a normal looking baseball player for most of his career.

But then.... at the tail end of his playing days, his body just explodes with muscle and new found power and he proceeds to break the homerun record just recently set by the other drug user, Mark McGwire (who is an absolute hottie but retired at his prime before being discovered)

and then a few years later, BALCO labs uses his endorsement to sell their wares (most notably a new steroid undetectable by the drug tests of that time) and his personal trainer gets indicted for his involvement with BALCO...

well.... I don't think it's chickenshit for Wendell to say what is painfully obvious.... to everyone.
Bill W
I generally like Turk -- he's nuts, always welcome compared to the standard jock bores -- but that's pure character assassination. If the evidence shows BB used steroids, let's proceed at that point. But as someone said a few years ago, "Is he shooting them in his EYES?"

Omniscient Ung, perhaps you know who killed the Kennedys? "The tail end" of Barry's playing days sure are lasting awhile.
kennysf
i don't know if he is or he isn't taking steroids but bonds getting "big" hasn't been overnight or in the last couple of years. i think he's been with the giants since '92 and he's gotten bigger every year. is it unreasonable to think that someone that trains as much as he does year round could get that big? i admit it is striking how much he's changed since he was a rookie with the pirates but that was a long time ago. his body had evolved from that when he joined the giants. with all the controversy and testing, if he was taking steroids wouldn't he have stopped and wouldn't his body mass have diminished? funny how jason giambi has come in to camp so "well-conditioned" and slimmed down...
kennysf
i don't know if he is or he isn't taking steroids but bonds getting "big" hasn't been overnight or in the last couple of years. i think he's been with the giants since '92 and he's gotten bigger every year. is it unreasonable to think that someone that trains as much as he does year round could get that big? i admit it is striking how much he's changed since he was a rookie with the pirates but that was a long time ago. his body had evolved from that when he joined the giants. with all the controversy and testing, if he was taking steroids wouldn't he have stopped and wouldn't his body mass have diminished? funny how jason giambi has come in to camp so "well-conditioned" and slimmed down...
Joe in Philly
It's been reported that Bonds looks a bit slimmed down himself, actually. Not to the extent of Giambi, though.
BPT-336
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Joe in Philly:
It's been reported that Bonds looks a bit slimmed down himself, actually. Not to the extent of Giambi, though.
Darn! I thought I was going to see "Urkel in the Outfield". tongue.gif
Jim Allen
I'm going to pre-emptively scoff at myself because I scoff at others who pull the "a friend of the guy who delivers the mail to the cousin of..." thing, but smile.gif a friend of mine knew the guys who were the beat reporters for the Dodgers and they were convinced that Piazza was juicing. KennySF is right, Bonds didn't suddenly gain muscle, it's the guys like Brett Boone and Trot Nixon who show up 4 months after the previous season having put on "15 lbs. of muscle" in the mean time that are suspicious.

It can't be said enough that baseball's steroids policy is a total joke, though.
ung
Bill W,

I'm not omniscient. Omnipotent? Yes. But not the former.

anyway... Like I said, just stating what is painfully obvious to all but the very delusional and logic challenged.

check out the quote from Kennysf
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i admit it is striking how much he's changed since he was a rookie with the pirates but that was a long time ago. his body had evolved from that when he joined the giants. with all the controversy and testing, with all the controversy and testing, if he was taking steroids wouldn't he have stopped and wouldn't his body mass have diminished?
as he noted, Bonds started his baseball career a long time ago with the Pirates. and last time I checked, retirement age for a pro baseball player was not 65.

so is it "the tailend" of his career"? Yes I think so. I certainly hope you know he won't last another 5 years.

and kennysf.... the thing with drug testing is.. the substance sold by BALCO was undetectable to the previous testing methods. It was only when tipped off to the existence of this substance that the assay was adjusted to detect the drug sold by BALCO.

as to the question of "who shot the kennedys?" I respectfully defer to the far greater knowledge of the gentleman from the outer borough.

[ February 27, 2004, 06:34 PM: Message edited by: ung ]
Jim Allen
Now this is just getting stupid. Jeff Kent: Did Ruth and Gehrig juice?:
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On Thursday, Kent suggested to reporters that some of the game's past stars, like Babe Ruth, might have used performance-enhancing drugs but no one would have ever known because there was no testing back then. On Friday, Kent said he wasn't accusing Ruth or anyone of anything, he was merely making a point about earlier eras.

\"How do we know about then? Do we really know about then?\" he said. \"I think we're starting to understand and learn more facts about now, so everybody's trying to relate the records broken, the way ballplayers are bigger and badder and better than ever now, but how do we know about then?

\"We never really tested (until last year), so that was my reference. I apologize to all the Babe Ruth fans out there, but geez, I was just trying to make a point.\"
What a maroon. Has he ever seen a picture of Ruth? I think Ruth was more interested in beer and hot dogs and f**king than in andro or HGH. A brief search says that 'roids were discovered in the 30's. They were used by the Nazis in the war to combat malnutrition and only came in to sports in the 50's. Certainly, amphetimines ("bennies" or "greenies") were used by players in the past (it was one of the "shocking revelations" in Ball Four), but that's different. I've seen quotes from baseball people in the 60's that warned against the dangers of weightlifting; it was thought to cut down on bat quickness and flexibility. I don't think steroids came in to play in baseball until the 80's.

I shouted out
"Who killed the Kennedys?"
When after all,
it was you and me

[ February 27, 2004, 11:51 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
JC
Well, obviously Ruth and Gehrig were not juicing, but I'm puzzled by this:

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Certainly, amphetimines (\"bennies\" or \"greenies\") were used by players in the past (it was one of the \"shocking revelations\" in Ball Four), but that's different.
Why is that different? Amphetamines are appetite suppressants so they also unnaturally reshape a player's body, preventing him from getting fat. I'm not sure they have a performance enhancing effect in normal circumstances, but if a player is very tired or hungover or ill, I think they definitely would. There's a reason why they were prescribing dexedrine for air force pilots on long flights. They have been banned by the Olympics for a long, long time. Why should we expunge the records of steroid-users from the books, but not amphetamine-users?
Jim Allen
I think the key to your post is this:
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but if a player is very tired or hungover or ill, I think they definitely would
I agree, it's not a logically consistent argument, but I think the difference between a player taking something to get a jolt because he was out until 4:00 am f**king and drinking and a player taking something that fundamentally alters their body on a permanent basis (that is, as long as they're juicing) is vast.

[ February 28, 2004, 10:30 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
ung
I knew the following already. But everytime I see it, it gets me pissed. (from the Atlanta Cons-Journal)
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Major League Baseball's approach to steroids testing has been widely criticized as weak. MLB's labor agreement calls for random testing only, with the first positive test resulting in treatment only; a second would bring a fine or suspension. Only if a player tests positive five times would he receive a one-year suspension.

If you get caught FIVE times via random drug testing you get suspended for only one year. Well!!! I think only Darryl Straberry would qualify for that status.

here's the rest of the article where Smoltz questions MLB's approach to drugs

Smoltz on testing
Jim Allen
The head of the Olympics drug-testing unit has been scathing about how lame MLB's policy is. I agree; 5 times ?!?! and then you get dinged? That's sure to make the people doing it afraid, isn't it?
coyoteugly
Mandatory drug testing begins this week. A first positive test for banned substances, including anabolic steroids, requires a player seek treatment. A second positive test carries a 15-day suspension and a fine up to $10,000. Suspensions and fines increase with each subsequent positive test.

In MLB's drug-testing program, first-time offenders will be publicly identified this year and ordered to undergo an outpatient drug- treatment program.

There's only one problem. Unlike last year, when 240 players were tested twice on a survey basis, all players will be tested only once this year. How can a player become a two-time offender if he's tested only once?
Bill W
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ung:

so is it \"the tailend\" of his career\"?  Yes I think so.  I certainly hope you know he won't last another 5 years.
4 or 5 years sounds about right. However what you wrote was "at the tail end of his playing days, his body just explodes with muscle and new found power ," which means you were talking about 1998-2000, not the tail end. Try reading your posts, I usually do.
ung
Girl! Puh-leeze!

I do read my posts. and reading your post inclusive of my quote, you should note that what I said was that He would NOT last another 4-5 years. In fact! I'll be surprised if he plays 2 years from now.

so in repudiation of what what you say, "no. 4 or 5 does NOT sound right" and considering how long he's been in MLB, 2000 and later would be his twilight years
MSUBulldog
Breaking News reported on ESPN from the San Francisco Cronicle.

[ March 02, 2004, 04:08 AM: Message edited by: MSUBulldog ]
Joe in Philly
The Chronicle names names. Heh.

Benito Santiago? Isn't he kind of skinny?
faydman
benito santiago is skinny, but really ripped. musta' been doin' fina or winstrol. (thg is similar to fina, a cattle implant, from what i understand)
Munson Man
Interesting to see reps for the players involved are now starting to say the players never "knowingly" took any kind of steroid. Sounds to me like they're laying the groundwork for a campaign to say they never were informed of what they were taking, which just doesn't wash with me. Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield, and who knows how many countless others talk constantly about their diets, and keeping track of proteins, carbohydrates, calories, etc., so it makes no sense to think that they would then take pills, injections or creams without knowing exactly what they were putting into their bodies.
Adam
I was most interested in the response from Michael Rains, Barry Bonds' attorney:

"We continue to adamantly deny that Barry was provided, furnished, or supplied any of those substances at any time by Greg Anderson."

Parsing that statement--does it mean that Bonds was "provided, furnished, or supplied any of those substances" by someone other than Greg Anderson (his personal trainer) and, of course, is it possible Bonds took subsyances without his knowledge?

~Adam
canmark
And every Olympic athlete that tests positive uses the old "I never knowingly took... whatever" so it doesn't wash with me.

Usually at Spring Training you hear all about these players who put on pounds over the winter, who went on a training program to gain muscle... but this year it seems to be the opposite. Players are coming in having lost weight, having trimmed down.

A couple of Blue Jays, Vernon Wells and Eric Hinske (who seemed to be more chunky than muscular) have come to camp slimmer than last year. And I haven't heard of anyone who's bulked up.

With both the big names (Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield) and small names (Santiago, Bernard) being targeted by this scandal, it will be interesting to see if power numbers are down this year.
JC
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 Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield, and who knows how many countless others talk constantly about their diets, and keeping track of proteins, carbohydrates, calories, etc., so it makes no sense to think that they would then take pills, injections or creams without knowing exactly what they were putting into their bodies.  
Well, they may be lying, but it is possible they were misinformed. They're not chemists after all; there's no possible way for them to tell what they're given. Even if you read the labels carefully, you can screw up on this stuff--a Canadian study found that over 10% of bodybuilding supplements tested contained ingredients that weren't listed on the label. In some cases, those ingredients included androstenodione and other things that would cause a positive drug test.

Oddly, the lawyer for Bonds' trainer, rather than denying any knowledge of THG, now says that Bonds was offered it, but declined it. However, the San Francisco Chronicle says federal investigators say not only Bonds, but Giambi, Sheffield, Santiago, Marvin Benard and Randy Velarde all received steroids and human growth hormone from BALCO.

Read about it here

I suspect that BALCO just the tip of the iceberg and that there are many other labs producing designer steroids that just have not been caught yet.
Bill W
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Munson Man:
Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield... talk constantly about their diets, and keeping track of proteins, carbohydrates, calories, etc., so it makes no sense to think that they would then take pills, injections or creams without knowing exactly what they were putting into their bodies.
The general public, even those who adhere to one trendy, unscientific diet or another, don't usually understand what they're putting in their bodies. And athletes are not any more expert. ("talking constantly" does not correlate with knowledge).

We should let the evidence emerge before we convict anyone of taking illegals, or ascertain the degree of their culpability. Then we can address the hornets' nest of why we should take the FDA's word that A, B, and C should be legal, and X, Y and Z shouldn't be.
shore
I love Pardon the Interruption and was shocked yesterday when I heard Wilbon say that fans didn't care about steroids, they just want to see the ball hit out of the park. I for one do not agree. I am offended by cheaters, they rob the sport of integrity and honor.

Would someone post a poll on this topic? I think the results could be very interesting.
coyoteugly
What's going to be interesting is to see what opponents of the "steroid boys" allow in their parks in terms of signs. Will Dodger fans be allowed to bring "cheater" or "asterisk" signs into Dodger Stadium during a Dodger/Giant series?
Joe in Philly
An ESPN reporter was saying on Sportscenter that Bonds was yelling "I'm being violated!" because reporters were around asking him questions. What a drama queen. rolleyes.gif
wade n atlanta
Bonds also said something about "Black Power!" with his fist raised. I wonder if he truly thinks this is a black issue or should he think that people just don't like him becasue of his personality and they want to see him fail?
What will happen to his homerun production and others this year? Time will tell, then we will know if he and others did take steroids and what the effect is on homerun power.
phillyrunner
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With both the big names (Bonds, Giambi, Sheffield) and small names (Santiago, Bernard) being targeted by this scandal, it will be interesting to see if power numbers are down this year.  
So maybe this year if Jim Thome hits 50 home runs he might actually lead the league.
Joe in Philly
How quickly they forget. wink Thome led the NL with his 47 homers and tied A-Rod for the major league HR title.
MSUBulldog
On ESPN's SportsNation poll yesterday, they asked two questions that I didn't know how to answer. (I'm paraphrasing)

* Does the possibility that Bonds has taken steroids or HGH diminish his accomplishments?

* Would you take steroids if you could lead MLB in homeruns and make $15 million per year?

I happen to be a big fan of Mark McGwire, so the first question caught me off guard. If you have to put an asterisk by Bonds' 73 homers, then wouldn't you have to do the same for McGwire? The only difference I see, at least at this point, is that McGwire admitted to taking andro.

As for the second question, you're basically asking "would you potentially risk your health for wealth?" That's a tough one that most everyone should REALLY have to think about before answering.
shore
Yes to the first question, absolutely it diminishes the accomplishments, and I discredit McGwire for those reasons. Juiced up accomplishments are worthless and debasing to the fans and the sport.

To the second question, well, sure we would all like to find a way to make the big buck. If you are going to take the dope, then you should fess up to it, let people know how you do it because we all think we would be able to do it if we could.

[ March 03, 2004, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: shore ]
canmark
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MSUBulldog:
* Would you take steroids if you could lead MLB in homeruns and make $15 million per year?
This makes me think of a couple of things:

- that Randy Velarde was one of the people named indicates that steroids alone does not lead you to become a super athlete
- Bonds was a 30-30 man in his Pittsburgh days, and a 40-40 man in '96 for the Giants... so he certainly didn't need steroids to be one of the top players in the league
- what if the choice was \"Take steroids and make $15 mil. a year (and risk health problems, suspension, and disgrace) or don't take steroids and make $12 mil. a year.\" How many people would choose steroids?

On to other things... Bud Selig is telling teams to hush up on the steroids talk (ie. sweep it under the carpet).

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Selig recently sent a directive to all 30 teams, telling them to decline comment on the BALCO case \"specifically\" and performance-enhancing drugs \"generally.\"  
Jim Allen
In the midst of this pretty good article, the writer makes a point I'd not thought of before:
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He did not say that this year's testing program has all of the teeth of a putty knife.

Nevertheless, by the time people are finished learning what BALCO stands for, that could change.

Because the union is going to have to significantly soften on this issue, for the good of its members, if nothing else. A thorough drug-testing program with consequences, long-term, can only be beneficial to players. To all who would be alarmed if they started growing a third arm, at least.

One thing worth watching closely is that, like nothing else before it, this issue has the potential to severely crack the union. If you're clean -- and despite the cloud cast by the guilty, a lot of these guys are -- why would you quietly sit back and allow yourself to be pushed out of the game by some juiced-up competitor who comes into spring camp and steals your job?
I don't associate pitchers with steroids--they need all the flexibility they can get--so maybe this will also break down in to a pitchers vs. hitters thing, as we've already seen signs of.

So much for that press charm offensive Bonds and his PR firm launched last year.

Speaking of Randy Velarde, Angels DH Tim Salmon is shocked, shocked I tell you, to find his former teammate's name on the suspicious list:
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Designated hitter Tim Salmon was stunned to learn Tuesday that ex-teammate Randy Velarde, an Angel infielder from 1996 to '99, was reportedly one of six major league players who received steroids from the Burlingame nutritional supplement lab that is at the center of a growing sports drug scandal.

\"That's kind of a shocker,\" Salmon said of Velarde, who retired after the 2002 season. \"He was so ripped as it was, that's surprising. But I guess the way things have gone the last few months, I should be less and less shocked. These kinds of things always seem to come back and get you one way or another.\" Velarde, a weight-room fanatic who had so little body fat he often wore a jacket in the clubhouse to stay warm, signed a three-year, $2.45-million deal before the 1996 season and hit .285 with 14 home runs and 54 runs batted in his first year in Anaheim.

But he injured his elbow while making a routine throw from the outfield before a spring training game in 1997 and sat out the entire season after undergoing surgery to repair a torn ligament. While sitting out the first half of 1998, Velarde was so desperate to find something to boost his recovery from surgery that he tried using horse liniment, an oil used to strengthen the muscles, tendons and ligaments of racehorses. \"I figured if it works for horses, it ought to work for humans,\" Velarde said at the time.

Velarde returned to hit .261 in 51 games in 1998 and .306 with nine homers and 48 RBIs in 95 games in 1999 before being traded to Oakland. He spent 2000 with the A's, 2001 with the Texas Rangers and New York Yankees and 2002 with the A's. \"Randy was always a fitness freak — he was always in great shape — and I know what kind of effort he put in,\" Salmon said. \"It seems like guys use steroids as a shortcut, but he was not the kind of guy to do that. My guess is he looked at it for the healing aspect, because there is a healing element [to using steroids] that is beneficial. If that's the case, I can swallow this a little easier.\"
Apparently Salmon resides by a river in Egypt. "Velarde, a weight-room fanatic who had so little body fat he often wore a jacket in the clubhouse to stay warm"?!?! EWWWWWWWWWW.

[ March 03, 2004, 08:57 PM: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
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