Might as well get the topic started.
Angels in 6. Possibly. If the Indian Burial Ground Curse doesn't kick in and cause the entire team to come down with influenza at the same time.
Or something.
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Jim Allen,
I agree with you. The Angels have looked better than any other team in the entire playoffs. If I am correct they have averaged more runs than any other team, their defense has been astounding, and their pitching (which was supposed to be their major weakness) has overachieved!! I think they will beat the Giants/Cardinals winner.
I agree with you. The Angels have looked better than any other team in the entire playoffs. If I am correct they have averaged more runs than any other team, their defense has been astounding, and their pitching (which was supposed to be their major weakness) has overachieved!! I think they will beat the Giants/Cardinals winner.
[quote]Originally posted by Jim Allen:
Angels in 6. Possibly. If the Indian Burial Ground Curse doesn't kick in and cause the entire team to come down with influenza at the same time.
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Don't tell us you are having doubts, JimA?!? ....just because the franchise has given you, MikeOC, and all those other loyal Halos supporters 41 years of disappointment is no reason to be cynical now (disappointing is not the right description, I know -- calling the Angels franchise a disappointment is like saying the Titanic was a "slight boating mishap"....heartache would begin to be more accurate).
After the way they've played in the postseason, I'd be tempted to say bet the mortgage on the Halos (but even I'm not quite that foolish)....I AM convinced that this is a team of destiny and after Kennedy's heroics Sunday I don't think there's anyone in the lineup who hasn't emerged as the hero sometime throughout this postseason.
The ANGELS will win it in 6 GAMES (it doesn't matter whether it's the Giants or the Cards although St. Louis' chances are looking pretty slim)....and with the A.L. having the home field advantage this year, won't it be sweet to see the Angels win it all at home in the Big A? (yeah, I know, it's "Edison International Field" now but I still call it the Big A -- btw, what's the deal with "international" in the stadium name? it sounds more like an airport than a ballpark -- or perhaps they are expecting teams from Japan to be on the schedule soon?).
btw, I agree with you 100% about Salmon, Jim....even with all the young cuties (Eckstein, Kennedy, Washburn, Fullmer) surrounding him in the celebration (which those idiots at Fox deprived the rest of the country from seeing after they immediately switched to SF last night) I was happiest for Tim because of ALL the losing seasons he has endured in Anaheim, turning down opportunities as a free agent to leave for more money and play elsewhere, along with the fact that he has always come across as one of the classiest guys on the team IMHO -- never a hint of scandal or bad press....KEEP THE FAITH!!....THE ANGELS WILL WIN 4 MORE GAMES IN 2002 (with or without the help of the Rally Monkey)!!
[ October 14, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
Angels in 6. Possibly. If the Indian Burial Ground Curse doesn't kick in and cause the entire team to come down with influenza at the same time.
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Don't tell us you are having doubts, JimA?!? ....just because the franchise has given you, MikeOC, and all those other loyal Halos supporters 41 years of disappointment is no reason to be cynical now (disappointing is not the right description, I know -- calling the Angels franchise a disappointment is like saying the Titanic was a "slight boating mishap"....heartache would begin to be more accurate).
After the way they've played in the postseason, I'd be tempted to say bet the mortgage on the Halos (but even I'm not quite that foolish)....I AM convinced that this is a team of destiny and after Kennedy's heroics Sunday I don't think there's anyone in the lineup who hasn't emerged as the hero sometime throughout this postseason.
The ANGELS will win it in 6 GAMES (it doesn't matter whether it's the Giants or the Cards although St. Louis' chances are looking pretty slim)....and with the A.L. having the home field advantage this year, won't it be sweet to see the Angels win it all at home in the Big A? (yeah, I know, it's "Edison International Field" now but I still call it the Big A -- btw, what's the deal with "international" in the stadium name? it sounds more like an airport than a ballpark -- or perhaps they are expecting teams from Japan to be on the schedule soon?).
btw, I agree with you 100% about Salmon, Jim....even with all the young cuties (Eckstein, Kennedy, Washburn, Fullmer) surrounding him in the celebration (which those idiots at Fox deprived the rest of the country from seeing after they immediately switched to SF last night) I was happiest for Tim because of ALL the losing seasons he has endured in Anaheim, turning down opportunities as a free agent to leave for more money and play elsewhere, along with the fact that he has always come across as one of the classiest guys on the team IMHO -- never a hint of scandal or bad press....KEEP THE FAITH!!....THE ANGELS WILL WIN 4 MORE GAMES IN 2002 (with or without the help of the Rally Monkey)!!
[ October 14, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
Should be a great series. But I have to agree, Angels in 6. Expect lots of offense, and I can't wait for Washburn vs. Bonds!
whattagame! phew! another cardiac ballgame.
what the hell was tony la chicken thinking? when morris loaded the bases in the 8th inning, i knew he was done. why la chicken forced the issue is beyond me. oh well, in baseball, you're either a genius or an idiot....
congratulations to the san francisco giants. props to the resident giant hunks - j.t. snow, jeff kent, rich aurilia, david bell, tim worell, robb nen, kenny lofton and the ageless catcher benito santiago. job well done.
i love both the angels and giants, but am rooting for the giants all the way. should be one helluva wild card, california world series!!!!
bring on the halos! bring on the damn monkey!
GIANTS in 6!
what the hell was tony la chicken thinking? when morris loaded the bases in the 8th inning, i knew he was done. why la chicken forced the issue is beyond me. oh well, in baseball, you're either a genius or an idiot....
congratulations to the san francisco giants. props to the resident giant hunks - j.t. snow, jeff kent, rich aurilia, david bell, tim worell, robb nen, kenny lofton and the ageless catcher benito santiago. job well done.
i love both the angels and giants, but am rooting for the giants all the way. should be one helluva wild card, california world series!!!!
bring on the halos! bring on the damn monkey!
GIANTS in 6!
It would be nice to see the Angels take the Series. America loves Cinderella sports stories.
Gamecock, I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO. Since I don't really believe in redemption or salvation or any of those kinds of things, the Ghosts of 1982, 1986 and (for me the killer, the one that ended my strong emotional connection to the Angels) 1995 are constants, like the smog or traffic.
Edison International is the name of the energy company that The Mouse sold the naming rights to. I was hoping Edison would pull an Enron last year but alas. A lot of people call it The Ed, of course, but since I've been going to games there since 1978, it'll always be the Big A to me.
From some of the signs that I saw at Pac Bell tonight, this is going to be one of those tedious San Francisco vs. Los Angeles things. It's all one-sided of course, the Baghdad By The Bay--Herb Caen must be rolling in his grave these days--crowd is the only one that cares, but it'll be portrayed in apocalyptic terms like: The alleged sophistication of San Francisco against the alleged shallow glitz of Los Angeles. Never mind that Orange County is closer in spirit to Omaha, Nebraska than Hollywood, it'll be fun to see all the people in 'Frisco work themselves in to a tizzy about El Lay while we down here just yawn.
Edison International is the name of the energy company that The Mouse sold the naming rights to. I was hoping Edison would pull an Enron last year but alas. A lot of people call it The Ed, of course, but since I've been going to games there since 1978, it'll always be the Big A to me.
From some of the signs that I saw at Pac Bell tonight, this is going to be one of those tedious San Francisco vs. Los Angeles things. It's all one-sided of course, the Baghdad By The Bay--Herb Caen must be rolling in his grave these days--crowd is the only one that cares, but it'll be portrayed in apocalyptic terms like: The alleged sophistication of San Francisco against the alleged shallow glitz of Los Angeles. Never mind that Orange County is closer in spirit to Omaha, Nebraska than Hollywood, it'll be fun to see all the people in 'Frisco work themselves in to a tizzy about El Lay while we down here just yawn.
[quote]Originally posted by Jim Allen:
Gamecock, I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO.
Enjoy it Jim...People in Cleveland & NYC wish they were in your shoes.
Gamecock, I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO.
Enjoy it Jim...People in Cleveland & NYC wish they were in your shoes.
I'm also going with the Angels in 6. Yeah, they're the team of destiny but more than that, they're a damn good team that is scorching hot at the right time.
You know, it occurred to me a little while ago that while this all-California series has its merits, just think of the titanic battle we could have had if the Atlanta Braves would've won the NL pennant: Angels vs. Braves. Disney vs. AOL-Time Warner. Michael Eisner vs. Ted Turner (or Steve Case, if you prefer). Mickey Mouse vs. Bugs Bunny!
[quote] I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO. Since I don't really believe in redemption or salvation or any of those kinds of things, the Ghosts of 1982, 1986 and (for me the killer, the one that ended my strong emotional connection to the Angels) 1995 are constants, like the smog or traffic.
Jim Allen, trust me on this: winning the World Series will wipe out all the ghosts.
[ October 14, 2002: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
You know, it occurred to me a little while ago that while this all-California series has its merits, just think of the titanic battle we could have had if the Atlanta Braves would've won the NL pennant: Angels vs. Braves. Disney vs. AOL-Time Warner. Michael Eisner vs. Ted Turner (or Steve Case, if you prefer). Mickey Mouse vs. Bugs Bunny!
[quote] I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO. Since I don't really believe in redemption or salvation or any of those kinds of things, the Ghosts of 1982, 1986 and (for me the killer, the one that ended my strong emotional connection to the Angels) 1995 are constants, like the smog or traffic.
Jim Allen, trust me on this: winning the World Series will wipe out all the ghosts.
[ October 14, 2002: Message edited by: Joe in Philly ]
[quote] quote: Originally posted by Jim Allen:
Gamecock, I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO.
Enjoy it Jim...People in Cleveland & NYC wish they were in your shoes.
Hear, hear, from the Chicago burbs.
Gamecock, I just roll my eyes at all this talk like "Making the World Series wipes out 41 years of disappointment" etc. NO, NO AND NO.
Enjoy it Jim...People in Cleveland & NYC wish they were in your shoes.
Hear, hear, from the Chicago burbs.
I know better than to go against this year's home-field disadvantage pattern: Giants in 6 (or less). Can you imagine what kind of mental panic Anaheim may go into, dealing with the When to Walk Barry Paradox for the first time?
The Angels CAN win, of course -- if they continue to score 8.6 runs per game, and Benito Santiago returns to mortal stature. But what if Kent gets hot? SF may shock the Monkey a la Peter Gabriel (uh oh, better not give the Fox Sports sound crew any ideas).
[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Bill W ]
The Angels CAN win, of course -- if they continue to score 8.6 runs per game, and Benito Santiago returns to mortal stature. But what if Kent gets hot? SF may shock the Monkey a la Peter Gabriel (uh oh, better not give the Fox Sports sound crew any ideas).
[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Bill W ]
I'll take the Giants. The DH is going to figure in this series somewhere and the giants have the edge. Giants are a tighter team than the Twins. They won't make as many mistakes
[quote]Originally posted by Bill W:
SF may shock the Monkey a la Peter Gabriel (uh oh, better not give the Fox Sports sound crew any ideas)
That would still be a big step up in cleverness from the lame-ass-ness of the FOX coverage thus far. (I'm convinced Kevin Kennedy & Jeannie Whats-her-name must have blackmail pictures of Rupert Murdoch doing it with a goat.)
Of course I think the Giants will get it done, but I think it will go 7. Usually blase SF came alive last nite. There were even cheers of "Go Giants!" in the normally sports-phobic Castro...
SF may shock the Monkey a la Peter Gabriel (uh oh, better not give the Fox Sports sound crew any ideas)
That would still be a big step up in cleverness from the lame-ass-ness of the FOX coverage thus far. (I'm convinced Kevin Kennedy & Jeannie Whats-her-name must have blackmail pictures of Rupert Murdoch doing it with a goat.)
Of course I think the Giants will get it done, but I think it will go 7. Usually blase SF came alive last nite. There were even cheers of "Go Giants!" in the normally sports-phobic Castro...
It pleases me to no end that the World Series will be a left coast final!!!! I will be rootin for the Giants!!
Interesting article, though the writer is too bitter about the saintly Cardinals.
Bonds, Lofton: \"The Hall and Oates of arrogance\"
Bonds, Lofton: \"The Hall and Oates of arrogance\"
Giants in 6!
The Angels are on fire, but so was St Louis until the NLCS. Beating the Cards in 5 was impressive, Rolen or no Rolen.
I'm think SF is this season's team of destiny ("Dustiny"? - remember that one?!), given all of their chemistry issues. Cinderella has definitely arrived the ball, and I LOVE her orange & black gown.
The Angels are on fire, but so was St Louis until the NLCS. Beating the Cards in 5 was impressive, Rolen or no Rolen.
I'm think SF is this season's team of destiny ("Dustiny"? - remember that one?!), given all of their chemistry issues. Cinderella has definitely arrived the ball, and I LOVE her orange & black gown.
Since the Giants are my favorite NL team, I think the Giants will win in six. This will give Dusty Baker his ring before he decides he wants to be the next skipper for The Mariners!
GO GIANTS!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the Giants too....but you can't ignore the tenacity of the Angels.
Of course... I have an added reason to root for the Angels... I really like monkeys...
Angels in Six
or
Giants in Seven.
How's that for sitting on the fence.
As a gay man who likes baseball...it's a position, I am accustom to take on a moment notice.
Of course... I have an added reason to root for the Angels... I really like monkeys...
Angels in Six
or
Giants in Seven.
How's that for sitting on the fence.
As a gay man who likes baseball...it's a position, I am accustom to take on a moment notice.
I have no allegiance to either team, so my choice is purely subjective: I'm going with the Angels because I like their uniforms. I dig red and white. (From Airplane!: "What kind of plane is it?" "Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes - it's like a big Tylenol!") I hate the Giants Halloween-ish orange and black. Angels in six.
While my head says Angels in six, my heart says Giants in five.
I'll pick the Giants in 6. They have been getting the key hits and the pitching has been good.
By the way, check out Monday's LA Times. They printed a list of teams with the longest wait to get to a World Series. The Angels have waited 41 years (correct), but make reference to the St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles and say it was a 43 year drought.
I may have misunderstood the reference, but I think they are incorrect. The St. Louis Browns made their only WS appearance in 1944 and the Baltimore Orioles won the 1966 WS in 4 games. That is a difference of 22 years. Any insights on this ?
By the way, check out Monday's LA Times. They printed a list of teams with the longest wait to get to a World Series. The Angels have waited 41 years (correct), but make reference to the St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles and say it was a 43 year drought.
I may have misunderstood the reference, but I think they are incorrect. The St. Louis Browns made their only WS appearance in 1944 and the Baltimore Orioles won the 1966 WS in 4 games. That is a difference of 22 years. Any insights on this ?
[quote]Originally posted by Joe in Philly:
Interesting article, though the writer is too bitter about the saintly Cardinals.
Yikes, "bitter" is an understatement. Not sure what he meant about SF's television guys being "unprofessional". Does he mean that they're biased and the St Louis guys aren't?
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
Interesting article, though the writer is too bitter about the saintly Cardinals.
Yikes, "bitter" is an understatement. Not sure what he meant about SF's television guys being "unprofessional". Does he mean that they're biased and the St Louis guys aren't?
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
[quote]Originally posted by RGMike:
Not sure what he meant about SF's television guys being "unprofessional". Does he mean that they're biased and the St Louis guys aren't?
I don't know what he expected. When things are going well, local sportscasters are really nothing more than cheerleaders for the teams they cover. That happens in every town. Same for the writers as well.
Not sure what he meant about SF's television guys being "unprofessional". Does he mean that they're biased and the St Louis guys aren't?
I don't know what he expected. When things are going well, local sportscasters are really nothing more than cheerleaders for the teams they cover. That happens in every town. Same for the writers as well.
Agreed, RGMike. At least when Mark McGwire had his kid there during his home run record push, it was more a "I want to share this with the most important person in my life"; with Kile's kid, it felt like manipulation on a Spielbergian level.
I wish the Series were starting tonight--both teams had such great momentum and baseball is such an every day sport that it seems a shame to throw that away because of TV schedules.
Re: the bitter St. Louis writer's article: Kenny Lofton is a piece of work isn't he? I can see sportswriters going "Whew! We have our angle--anonymous, hard working, team oriented working class Angels versus haughty, arrogant, unlikeable bunch of free agents from elsewhere Giants". Er, maybe that's MY spin, then....
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
I wish the Series were starting tonight--both teams had such great momentum and baseball is such an every day sport that it seems a shame to throw that away because of TV schedules.
Re: the bitter St. Louis writer's article: Kenny Lofton is a piece of work isn't he? I can see sportswriters going "Whew! We have our angle--anonymous, hard working, team oriented working class Angels versus haughty, arrogant, unlikeable bunch of free agents from elsewhere Giants". Er, maybe that's MY spin, then....
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
The child in the dugout thing bothered me for different reasons, but didn't he have more than one kid? I thought there was a daughter and a son. What's up with that? Is it a guy thing?
I seem to be veering off topic...
On a more topical note, I wouldn't mind the Giants winning in 5. I'm flying into SFO on the afternoon of game five. It would be cool to see the city all happy and stuff. Just two requests... No quakes and No riots please.
I seem to be veering off topic...
On a more topical note, I wouldn't mind the Giants winning in 5. I'm flying into SFO on the afternoon of game five. It would be cool to see the city all happy and stuff. Just two requests... No quakes and No riots please.
[quote]Originally posted by orsino4:
I'm flying into SFO on the afternoon of game five. It would be cool to see the city all happy and stuff
Don't forget you can see a free inning at the viewing gates (under the scoreboard) at Pac Bell. You may stand in line a while, tho'.
Nice piece about baseball in today's Boston Globe:
postseason musings
I'm flying into SFO on the afternoon of game five. It would be cool to see the city all happy and stuff
Don't forget you can see a free inning at the viewing gates (under the scoreboard) at Pac Bell. You may stand in line a while, tho'.
Nice piece about baseball in today's Boston Globe:
postseason musings
Thanks for the tip RGMike, but I'll bet the farm that the line to see a free inning will be extremely long!
If all goes according to plan, we will check into our hotel by the 6th inning... then check to see if it's safe to roam the streets.
I'm actually a bit torn. As much as I'd like to see SF celebrate, Anaheim beat... well you know... them, which is a very good thing.
Plus they are so darn cute.
If all goes according to plan, we will check into our hotel by the 6th inning... then check to see if it's safe to roam the streets.
I'm actually a bit torn. As much as I'd like to see SF celebrate, Anaheim beat... well you know... them, which is a very good thing.
Plus they are so darn cute.
That's a good article. It didn't descend in to the kind of misty-eyed nostalgia for a Midwestern agrarian past that makes me retch (see: George Will) or trade on highlights of the sport that mostly happened 40 + years ago (those Mastercard commercials where the most recent event shown is Kirk Gibson's 1988 homer). I think he overstates the case for demographic diversity, but overall, a good article.
Baseball, in my mind, pisses on all other sports from a great height but it's truly distressing and alarming at how the sport is run and presented these days.
A co-worker sold his 4 box seat season-tickets for $1,100 EACH ($4,400 total for the math challenged) for Game 1. As he said, that paid for all his playoff tickets.
MikeOC, I'll never see you at Buzzer's again because you're going to have to sell your car to buy a ticket.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
Baseball, in my mind, pisses on all other sports from a great height but it's truly distressing and alarming at how the sport is run and presented these days.
A co-worker sold his 4 box seat season-tickets for $1,100 EACH ($4,400 total for the math challenged) for Game 1. As he said, that paid for all his playoff tickets.
MikeOC, I'll never see you at Buzzer's again because you're going to have to sell your car to buy a ticket.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
[quote]Originally posted by RGMike:
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
It's like Roger Clemens's Kody, Kasey and all the other tykes with those tough-ish "K" names.
Giants in 6. Barry Bonds, you beat my Cardinals, so proceed on to your World Series title. Actually, it won't be that easy--Anaheim looks really sharp these days. It ought to be fun.
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
It's like Roger Clemens's Kody, Kasey and all the other tykes with those tough-ish "K" names.
Giants in 6. Barry Bonds, you beat my Cardinals, so proceed on to your World Series title. Actually, it won't be that easy--Anaheim looks really sharp these days. It ought to be fun.
[quote]Originally posted by RGMike:
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless.
I disagree ....Did the kid have a good time ? Did he feel included? Was it better than him being left out feelin bad? The kid had a nice time & a memory that he will never forget. What does that hurt ??
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless.
I disagree ....Did the kid have a good time ? Did he feel included? Was it better than him being left out feelin bad? The kid had a nice time & a memory that he will never forget. What does that hurt ??
Kile kid in Card's dugout, like the cop said, no problem, good for him. Kid's twin sister not in dugout... maybe she she could sue them for Title IX violations.
[quote]Originally posted by RGMike:
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
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Although I'm apparently in the minority here, I agree completely with RGMike....I thought the Cards were blatantly USING the five year old son of their deceased teammate to THEIR callous advantage for public relations purposes and to generate more sympathy from the fans nationwide -- if that isn't shameless I don't know what is....I recognize that Mrs. Kile could undoubtedly have objected to the team "using" her young son (I have yet to read any comments from Darryl's widow about this, which I would be most interested to hear her opinion about) but you certainly CAN'T allow a five year old to decide for himself because it would be "fun".
I don't doubt the genuine sympathy and love that the entire Cardinal organization has for the Kile family but I, too, found it to be very unsettling and my immediate reaction was that once Kannon Kile becomes an adult he will look back at these tapes and cringe that a five year old was taken advantage of so shamelessly for the public relations benefit of the franchise....such a decision made by Walt Jocketty and Tony LaRussa is INDEED shameless in every sense of the word.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
Now that it's over, I can say that I thought the use of Kile's kid in the St Louis dugout over the weekend was completely shameless. (And what kind of a name is Kannon?)
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Although I'm apparently in the minority here, I agree completely with RGMike....I thought the Cards were blatantly USING the five year old son of their deceased teammate to THEIR callous advantage for public relations purposes and to generate more sympathy from the fans nationwide -- if that isn't shameless I don't know what is....I recognize that Mrs. Kile could undoubtedly have objected to the team "using" her young son (I have yet to read any comments from Darryl's widow about this, which I would be most interested to hear her opinion about) but you certainly CAN'T allow a five year old to decide for himself because it would be "fun".
I don't doubt the genuine sympathy and love that the entire Cardinal organization has for the Kile family but I, too, found it to be very unsettling and my immediate reaction was that once Kannon Kile becomes an adult he will look back at these tapes and cringe that a five year old was taken advantage of so shamelessly for the public relations benefit of the franchise....such a decision made by Walt Jocketty and Tony LaRussa is INDEED shameless in every sense of the word.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
Hmm, ok gamecock, I see your point. If the team's intent was to show Kannon a good time, they could as easily have done it off-camera, in a manner that didn't smack of exploitation. As you say, I'd be curious to know what Mrs Kile thought...
I think Flynn Kile wanted her son to be there, right?
Anyway, referring to something Jim Allen said a few posts ago. The wait between the LCS and the World Series is simply following the MLB scheduling format, and not related to TV per se. If both series would have gone 7 games, then the ALCS would have ended on Wednesday and the NLCS would have ended on Thursday. With one day off for travel, that means start the World Series on Saturday. As far as I know, that is the way it has been scheduled for a number of years now.
Anyway, referring to something Jim Allen said a few posts ago. The wait between the LCS and the World Series is simply following the MLB scheduling format, and not related to TV per se. If both series would have gone 7 games, then the ALCS would have ended on Wednesday and the NLCS would have ended on Thursday. With one day off for travel, that means start the World Series on Saturday. As far as I know, that is the way it has been scheduled for a number of years now.
[quote]Originally posted by MSUBulldog:
The wait between the LCS and the World Series is simply following the MLB scheduling format, and not related to TV per se. If both series would have gone 7 games, then the ALCS would have ended on Wednesday and the NLCS would have ended on Thursday. With one day off for travel, that means start the World Series on Saturday. As far as I know, that is the way it has been scheduled for a number of years now.[/QB]
Actually, it is my understanding that the World Series schedule is set up that way (for about the past decade if I'm not mistaken) for the benefit of BOTH television ratings and MLB....this way Games 1, 2, 6, and 7 are scheduled for Saturday and Sunday nights with the pivotal Game 7 (if necessary, of course) set up for Sunday, which is the most heavily watched night of the week as far as television viewership is concerned -- coincidentally, Saturday has historically been the LEAST heavily watched night of the week for quite a few years now.
This schedule factors in two off days for travel (between games 2-3 and 5-6 even if both teams are in the same city as took place in 2000 with the "Subway Series") and assumes there are no rain outs, of course (highly doubtful in Southern California -- as for SF, who knows?)....what many people forget is that in the 1986 World Series following Game 6 (which featured the Mets miraculous rally capped off by Buckner's error) Game 7 was rained out the following night in NY and the Red Sox opportunity to lose another World Series (with Bruce Hurst on the mound blowing a 3-0 lead) was postponed a day.
When these networks are paying outrageous sums of money to MLB for the television rights, they basically control what days and times the games will be broadcast (no W.S. DAY games EVER including weekends now) in order to maximize ratings, viewership, and most importantly (to them) advertising revenue -- something that Selig and his cronies do not object to, despite the fact that many young kids are asleep well before ANY W.S. game is completed which is highly unfortunate and may come back to haunt the sport in years to come.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
The wait between the LCS and the World Series is simply following the MLB scheduling format, and not related to TV per se. If both series would have gone 7 games, then the ALCS would have ended on Wednesday and the NLCS would have ended on Thursday. With one day off for travel, that means start the World Series on Saturday. As far as I know, that is the way it has been scheduled for a number of years now.[/QB]
Actually, it is my understanding that the World Series schedule is set up that way (for about the past decade if I'm not mistaken) for the benefit of BOTH television ratings and MLB....this way Games 1, 2, 6, and 7 are scheduled for Saturday and Sunday nights with the pivotal Game 7 (if necessary, of course) set up for Sunday, which is the most heavily watched night of the week as far as television viewership is concerned -- coincidentally, Saturday has historically been the LEAST heavily watched night of the week for quite a few years now.
This schedule factors in two off days for travel (between games 2-3 and 5-6 even if both teams are in the same city as took place in 2000 with the "Subway Series") and assumes there are no rain outs, of course (highly doubtful in Southern California -- as for SF, who knows?)....what many people forget is that in the 1986 World Series following Game 6 (which featured the Mets miraculous rally capped off by Buckner's error) Game 7 was rained out the following night in NY and the Red Sox opportunity to lose another World Series (with Bruce Hurst on the mound blowing a 3-0 lead) was postponed a day.
When these networks are paying outrageous sums of money to MLB for the television rights, they basically control what days and times the games will be broadcast (no W.S. DAY games EVER including weekends now) in order to maximize ratings, viewership, and most importantly (to them) advertising revenue -- something that Selig and his cronies do not object to, despite the fact that many young kids are asleep well before ANY W.S. game is completed which is highly unfortunate and may come back to haunt the sport in years to come.
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: gamecock ]
[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Ump25 ]
[quote]Originally posted by gamecock:
you certainly CAN'T allow a five year old to decide for himself because it would be "fun".
I assume that he didn't "decide for himself" to go -his mother obviously did that.
you certainly CAN'T allow a five year old to decide for himself because it would be "fun".
I assume that he didn't "decide for himself" to go -his mother obviously did that.
i've always wondered why it's called the world series? can someone please explain? i'm not trying to be smart, i'd just like to know!!
Good question, Aussiecrow. I don't know the answer to that myself. Where's Wurm when you need him? (Where is Wurm, anyway?)
I'll look it up and get back to you, or maybe Ump or one of the other guys knows the answer.
(It seems like an awfully long time since last Monday, don't you think? But with games scheduled to maximize profit, what are you gonna do? Try not to let it spoil your day, I suppose.)
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: redsoxbreath ]
I'll look it up and get back to you, or maybe Ump or one of the other guys knows the answer.
(It seems like an awfully long time since last Monday, don't you think? But with games scheduled to maximize profit, what are you gonna do? Try not to let it spoil your day, I suppose.)
[ October 16, 2002: Message edited by: redsoxbreath ]
Well! I'm going to have to go with
GIANTS IN 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GIANTS IN 5!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ump 25, I can understand what you're saying but for this cynical sceptic of the media and entertainment--which, obviously, baseball is--it just smacked of exploiting a family tragedy. That was probably not the Cardinals intention but Fox played it up for all it was worth and at the end I felt like I'd been trapped in the middle of a Hell called Spielberg's E.T.. As Redsoxbreath wrote, it could have been done in a much more low key manner.
And we're mocking Kannon's name? Just wait 'til the kid gets to grade school. It'll make us look like saints in comparison. Parents should think of the consequences of giving their kids names like that--my nephew was named Harley (not after the bike, but after the last name of a family friend) and his dad's last name was Glassburner (!!) and he grew to kind of resent both names after being teased so much about it. Hopefully they didn't give Kannon Kile a middle initial that starts with a K........
And MSUBulldog, I know about the scheduling reasoning but my point was that I just want the series to start NOW. The Angels were so fired up on Sunday that I wish they'd played Tuesday to carry over that fired-up-ness.
And we're mocking Kannon's name? Just wait 'til the kid gets to grade school. It'll make us look like saints in comparison. Parents should think of the consequences of giving their kids names like that--my nephew was named Harley (not after the bike, but after the last name of a family friend) and his dad's last name was Glassburner (!!) and he grew to kind of resent both names after being teased so much about it. Hopefully they didn't give Kannon Kile a middle initial that starts with a K........
And MSUBulldog, I know about the scheduling reasoning but my point was that I just want the series to start NOW. The Angels were so fired up on Sunday that I wish they'd played Tuesday to carry over that fired-up-ness.
Thanks, Jim Allen, for leaping to the defense of us cynical skeptics. Obviously part of the appeal of message boards is the ability to make smart-ass comments that are not meant to be taken seriously beyond the moment. And humor, clearly, is subjective. (Ump25 should hear what I think of athlete names like Plexico.) The kid's name just reminded me of the Carl's Jr commercial (not sure if it's seen in all parts of the country) where an older, traditionalist guy is in a hospital maternity ward bemoaning the names people give their kids these days. "Whatever happened to names like Bill... and Hank?" Cracks me up every time.
I seem to recall that even the 19th-century championship matches (between the NL and American Association?) were called the World Series... just part of American hubris in regarding ourselves as "the world" (even more ubiquitous then). I recall John Cleese doing a bit on the Tonight Show in recent years, comparing the WS to the World Cup, "where we actually invite teams from other countries."
Kile kid in dugout, no problem. TV showing him twice every inning, exploitation.
Speaking of kids, anyone know why Bonds' son is named Nikolai? Was his mom Russian? And when will he win his first MVP?
Kile kid in dugout, no problem. TV showing him twice every inning, exploitation.
Speaking of kids, anyone know why Bonds' son is named Nikolai? Was his mom Russian? And when will he win his first MVP?
I have no problem with Kannon Kile being with the team. But did I hear correctly that the public address announcer INTRODUCED him--along with the starting lineups--before the first NLCS game in St. Louis? If so, that's just shameless. And Fox certainly didn't have to put him on camera as often as they did.
[quote]Ump25 should hear what I think of athlete names like Plexico
Dude, back off Plexico. Plexico Burress is one the best athlete names, period. Of course, none, and I mean NONE, is better than the hoopster God Shammgod. From a website: [quote]His birthname was Shammgod Wells, but he changed it to God Shammgod while at Providence. He grew up in New York and refined his game at LaSalle Academy High in New York City
From what I can tell, he's bouncing around the CBA/overseas. Best. name. ever.
[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
Dude, back off Plexico. Plexico Burress is one the best athlete names, period. Of course, none, and I mean NONE, is better than the hoopster God Shammgod. From a website: [quote]His birthname was Shammgod Wells, but he changed it to God Shammgod while at Providence. He grew up in New York and refined his game at LaSalle Academy High in New York City
From what I can tell, he's bouncing around the CBA/overseas. Best. name. ever.
[ October 17, 2002: Message edited by: Jim Allen ]
i believe it's "plaxico", not "plexico".
of course, shannon sharpe nicknamed him "plexiglass", which i thought was hilarious.
of course, shannon sharpe nicknamed him "plexiglass", which i thought was hilarious.
Faydman, you're right, of course. Crap, I hate making easily-checkable errors like that.
Erm, right, the topic. Jarrod Washburn v. Jason Schmidt on Saturday. The Angels claim that they're going to pitch to Bonds to get him out. If Bonds parks one in the 2nd deck in his first at-bat on Saturday, that will probably change. Of course, I say: drill him in the ribs to back him and his body armour off the plate, but after seeing how Kenny "You Wouldn't Have Lasted 2 Pitches With Don Drysdale On The Mound" Lofton reacted in the NLCS, that might not be a go.
Erm, right, the topic. Jarrod Washburn v. Jason Schmidt on Saturday. The Angels claim that they're going to pitch to Bonds to get him out. If Bonds parks one in the 2nd deck in his first at-bat on Saturday, that will probably change. Of course, I say: drill him in the ribs to back him and his body armour off the plate, but after seeing how Kenny "You Wouldn't Have Lasted 2 Pitches With Don Drysdale On The Mound" Lofton reacted in the NLCS, that might not be a go.
[ January 03, 2003: Message edited by: Ump25 ]
Who's actually going to any of the World Series games? I was able to get tickets for the Tuesday and Thursday games 3 & 5 in San Francisco, and am just waiting to see if tix for the Wednesday Game 4 come through for me. Just curious how many here actually have tickets in either Anaheim or San Francisco.
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