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Illini_fan
Story from CNN.com:
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SEOUL, South Korea (AP) -- North Korea's official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) reported Monday the country has performed a successful nuclear test.

South Korean government officials also said North Korea performed its first nuclear test, the South's Yonhap news agency reported

According to KCNA, there was no radioactive leakage from the site.

South Korean officials could not immediately confirm the Yonhap report.

South Korean President Roh Moo-hyun convened an urgent meeting of security advisers over the issue, Yonhap reported.

The North said last week it would conduct a nuclear test as part of its deterrent against a possible U.S. invasion.

The report of the test came as Japan's new Prime Minister Shinzo Abe arrived in Seoul for meetings with President Roh Moo-hyun to address the nuclear issue as well as address strains in relations between the two countries over territorial and historical disputes.

North Korea accused rival South Korea on Monday of committing a serious provocation by firing warning shots during a weekend incident in which the South says soldiers from the communist North crossed over their border.

The border shooting came Saturday. South Korean soldiers rattled off about 40 warning shots after a group of five North Korean troops crossed into the southern side of the no-man's-land separating the divided Korean peninsula, South Korea said.

No one was hurt in the incident.
fantomas
Well, it looks like the "six-party" non-talks are working just fine.not working so well.
Thom
My heart goes out first to all Koreans, then to the Japanesse and then to the rest of the world, except our poor excuse for a president.
UCLAfan
Now that we appear to need a military answer to the North Korea question, where is our military? Oh yeah, they're fighting for freedom in Iraq. So we don't have much of a military to deploy in such a critical area. Thanks for leaving us open to attack, W. You are a failure and now we on the West Coast may pay the price for your failure in foreign policy with a nuclear attack from North Korea. God help us!
fantomas
Maybe this is what the theocrats wanted; that we'd have nothing but God to rely on when it all came down to it!
hockeyTom
May God help us alright. May God help us survive our foreign policy disasters until the occupant in the White House is replaced in '08.
UCLAfan
In case you hadn't noticed, we may not last til '08.
swiminbuff
Rest easy, I'm sure Bush will invade Bhutan or Tonga in order to protect the world from a nuclear N Korea.
kick
Please, ya'all, c'mon now....be reasonable.

Nuclear proliferation on the Korean continent is NOT a failure of the current U.S. Foreign policies... or the fact that Bush named them as part of an Axis of Evil.

Those two beeeee-otches Katrina and Sue-nami caused the whole thing.....

I'm sure Georgie will be more than happy to consider a draft now.... so ex-Rep. Foley can have some men in uniform to check out.... and Mr. Speaker can play a little See No Evil.... and little Georgie can See No More Axes of Evil...

In reality- I am so disappointed that the majority of our country voted for this man in 2004.... This has to be one of the worst presidencies in the history of our nation.
UCLAfan
Our Imperious President's failures in ignoring North Korea for the past five years is now going to come back on us, the American people. He marginalized North Korea and largely ignored them. Now comes the time to pay for that gross failure in foreign policy. Only Bush will not pay for it if they decide to attack us, we the people shall bear the brunt of that failure.
fantomas
Okay, let's think about something. Clinton's policy with North Korea has been regularly criticized, BUT he got Kim Jong-Il to put the plutonium processing on ice, with international inspection, from 1994 until he left office (Clinton, that is, in 2000). Yes you can make nuclear bombs with uranium, but plutonium, in addition to being far more deadly, is also the most dangerous and weaponizable material. So for two years, from 2000 through 2002, this diplomatic policy that Clinton initiated was mocked by the Bushies, but Kim Jong-Il, a certifiable nutcase, kept that plutonium under lock and key, until 2002, when Bush's disastrous policies led him back to reprocessing the plutonium. We hear that in 2002, 2003, 2004, Kim Jong-Il is racing to make those nukes. So in 2004, Bush tries to establish basically THE SAME POLICY that he'd mocked under Clinton, except it's turned out to be total failure. North Korea has been trying to make nukes over the last four years as quickly as it can. The plutonium is now reprocessed, we're sure of that. It announces it's making the nukes. It tests the damn nuke yesterday knowing full well that it will piss off not only the US, but China and Russia, two neighboring nuclear powers, as well as Japan, which with its technological prowess could have nuclear bombs swiftly (and the new Japanese PM has made it clear that rearming the country is one of his priorities). Its rationale: fear of the US. Which, it realizes, can't attack it, since our military is bogged down in the mire of Iraq! Who are we going to send? A private army? China isn't going to throw its economy into whack by attacking North Korea, and neither is Russia. Japan can't do so yet. And South Korea doesn't want to be wiped off the face of the earth. What a mess.

How on earth can we think that the Bush administration has succeeded in any way with this third member of the Axis of Evil? Iraq is a total mess (hey, today yet another sibling of the Sunni VP was assassinated, shot in the head in broad daylight on a roof; 13 or so people died in one bombing; more bodies have been found killed execution style; we've lost more troops this month than any month this year, and US casualties overall are up; hundreds of Iraqi soldiers were poisoned at a meal, etc.). Iran is stronger than it was six years ago, with a total nutcase running it and even more scary, deranged clerics still in power AND their proxies in Iraq and Lebanon (Hezbollah) are also stronger. And now North Korea is testing a nuke! Seriously, with a record like this, what WOULD a "failed" foreign policy look like?

"Worst" president ever barely encompasses it.
millerbeach
Hey Georgie Boy, you're doing one heck of a job at wrecking the globe! Has anyone even told him that these are actual countries with real people living there? This adminsitration has gone beyond stupidity.
UCLAfan
I think any sane and rational person sees things for how they are with North Korea, not for what our Imperious President wants them to be.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(fantomas @ Oct 10 2006, 03:31 AM) *

...How on earth can we think that the Bush administration has succeeded in any way with this third member of the Axis of Evil? Iraq is a total mess...Iran is stronger than it was six years ago, with a total nutcase running it and even more scary, deranged clerics still in power...And now North Korea is testing a nuke! Seriously, with a record like this, what WOULD a "failed" foreign policy look like?

"Worst" president ever barely encompasses it.


Yup! This article by the Washington Post agrees w/ your analysis fantomas. I was just thinking about this very issue this morning & kept wondering when an article related to the Axis of Evil biting us on the arse really hard would be written?! Historically, this world is in a dangerous & scary place all due to that insuferrable buffoon's failed foreign policies. Truly, as others have commented, God help us & the world for that matter. mad.gif
Mahaney
Well if we all go BOOM I guess I won't have to worry about those student loans dry.gif
fantomas
Good luck with the student loans, OU.

I have been listening to Bolton, Rice, etc., on North Korea, and I am flabbergasted. These people just don't get it, do they? It's like they are assuming that their threats and lies (and who outside the Bushzombies hasn't figured out how much these people blatantly lie) are going to somehow persuade North Korea to turn back the clock even though they blew any credibility they had SIX YEARS AGO when they stirred up their nonstop rhetoric against North Korea.

It's almost like they're praying that China will send in its army (what a scary thought!) if North Korea keeps up its belligerence. But China must realize how much IT would have to lose in the event of such an military attack. Anyways, North Korea continuing nuclear ambitions are likely because, truthfully people, if YOU were a crazy foreign leader whom the US hated and YOU saw the horrific situations in Iraq and Afghanistan and YOU had the possibility of creating a nuclear bomb to protect yourself, would you NOT do it? Wouldn't you be even crazier not too? What incentive, other than China and Russia wiping you off the face of the earth, would stop you from developing nukes if the country you fear the most REFUSES--absolutely REFUSES--to engage in direct talks with you? Slugheaded is as slugheaded does.

It seems clear enough to me, but I guess the Bushies can't see this. Truly, truly scary.
sportinlife
Maybe the invasion of North Korea will be the October surprise. If so they need to get a move on.
fantomas
From Molly Ivins's new column:

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I know next to nothing about North Korea, but I know how to find out. People who do know the weird country have been worrying about it in print for six years now. (See articles in The New York Review of Books.) Eric Alterman picked this bit up in “The Book on Bush”: “The tone of [Colin] Powell’s tenure was set early in the administration, when he announced that he planned ‘to pick up where the Clinton administration had left off’ in trying to secure the peace between North and South Korea, while negotiating with the North to prevent its acquisition of nuclear weaponry. The president not only repudiated his secretary of state in public, announcing, ‘We’re not certain as to whether or not they’re keeping all terms of all agreements,’ he did so during a joint appearance with South Korean President (and Nobel laureate for peace for his own efforts with the North) Kim Dae-Jung, thereby humiliating his honored guest, as well.

“A day later, Powell backpedaled. ‘The president forcefully made the point that we are undertaking a full review of our relationship with North Korea,’ Powell said. ‘There was some suggestion that imminent negotiations are about to begin—that is not the case.’ ”

This was pre-9/11, when Bush’s entire foreign policy consisted in not doing whatever Clinton had done, and vice versa. Also from “The Book on Bush”: “As former Ambassadors Morton Abramowitz and James Laney warned at the moment of Bush’s carelessly worded ‘Axis of Evil’ address, ‘Besides putting another knife in the diminishing South Korean president,’ the speech would likely cause ‘dangerous escalatory consequences, (including) ... renewed tensions on the peninsula and continued export of missiles to the Mideast.’ ... North Korea called the Bush bluff, and the result, notes (Washington Post) columnist Richard Cohen, was ‘a stumble, a fumble, an error compounded by a blooper ... as appalling a display of diplomacy as anyone has seen since a shooting in Sarajevo turned into World War I.’ ”

Remember Bush’s diplomatic interview with Bob Woodward in which he said, “I loathe Kim Jong Il!” Waving his finger, he added, “I’ve got a visceral reaction to this guy because he is starving his people.” Bush also said he wanted to “topple him” and called him a “pygmy.” How old were you when you learned not to antagonize and infuriate the local crazy bully?

Always a top diplomat. But I warn you, when Bush makes reference of this, as in “my gut tells me,” we are in big trouble. By any measure, North Korea continued to be more dangerous than Iraq.

I don’t see how this mess can be blamed on anyone but Bush, but I notice that a few Republicans have dragged out the shade of Bill Clinton because he tried to deal with North Korea. I would have thought there wasn’t much water left in that bogeyman, but I guess he is the straw man for all seasons among Republicans. Why doesn’t someone on Fox News ask him about it?


A sage appraiser of characters and situations, that Molly Ivins.
UCLAfan
I agree with you, FT. Bush's initial assessment of North Korea was pretty well off and then he compounded that error by reinforcing it time and again. Thus, here we are today with the threat of nuclear terrorism from a nation that was contained under the Clinton Administration. Forgive me, if I do not see the wisdom (or lack thereof) in the decisions of the Bush Regime.
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