And yet another one:

Tennessean: Christian book-publisher alleged to rape his 2 sons

Trust me, this son of a Mississippi, right wing fundamentalist, Southern Baptist, preacher has not forgotten the difficulty in coming to terms with his sexuality. THAT is why I find people like Latham particularly offensive. It's largely because of people like him that your life and my life and that kid down the street with the shotgun in his mouth have been put through such hell. It's bad enough when straight people who don't have a personal understanding of the innate orientation of homosexuality try to destroy us. Even though they're no less dangerous there is a certain amount of understanding of their ignorance. But for someone who is actually gay and having homosexual sex one night and railing against homosexuals the next I just don't have any compassion. I've said it before and I'll say it again, he has worked hard building a hell for OTHER homosexuals and I doubt he had any compassion for those who suffered through it. Now he's been caught and exposed as a hypocrite. But he won't be asking forgiveness for his hypocrisy or for causing so much heartache, shame and violence against innocent people. No, he'll be asking for forgiveness for his passing vile affection. He'll be more concerned about the fact that people "think" he's gay and that he's lost his job and his Mercedez. Still not shedding a tear.

I feel very sorry for those who suffer under these kinds of teachings whether they be Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, Muslim or whatever. I don't feel sorry for those who are the perveyors of this garbage all the while doing it on the side. If they are going to push this shit then they should at least have the decency to be homosexually chaste.

He's still denying himself and he will continue to crusade against gays. He will go off to Exodus and come out cleansed of the vile sin of homosexuality. Nothing will change. If anything he will be worse.

If he proves me wrong I will be the FIRST to publically eat my words. If this man would come clean, tell the truth and stop his anti-gay propaganda, then I would be the first to embrace him and offer him help. But until there's some amount of honesty and maybe a little contrition I'm not going to do anything but call him a hypocrite and an ass****.

[ January 11, 2006, 09:05 PM: Message edited by: UMRebel/Bucfan ]

IF the TN story is true, it is very sad.

One thing that pisses me off about stories like these is the reaction of the anti-gay religious people.

In the case of Church leaders who get caught soliciting prostitutes or having sex in the toilet stall of a rest stop, the reaction is so predictable. Instead of talking about how hypocritical the person was, or how there must be something to the claim that homosexuality is natural and innate for some people, or how Christians and even preachers can be gay, they will always point to the incident and say, "See how homosexuals are". They all have sex in rest stop bathrooms, or bathhouses or with prositutes or where ever their pastor got caught fornicating. That's because their lust is so perverse that they seek out perverse ways to express it. Also, they'll always point to the fact that they hide their sick perversion because it is so shameful, and therefor their natural sense of morality makes them ashamed of it, not their brainwashing by the church. And don't forget about how these selfish, heartless homosexuals are destroying the family that they were pushed into creating. They push us to get married and have kids and then chastise us when we can't hide the truth anymore.

Then there's the case of church leaders/members who turn out to be child molestors. Anti-gay Christians think that these people are good Christians and pillars of the community until they're caught molesting a child, then they become "typical homosexuals" (since to them all pedophiles are homosexuals). Anti-gay fundamentalists have no trouble believing that all gays are pedophiles and all pedophiles are gay but they can't fathom the possibility that a person can be gay and a good, moral Christian.


I really hope that the story from TN isn't true for the sake of the kids and for the sake of the man. IF the story is NOT true, I wouldn't wish that on anyone no matter how anti-gay they were. NO ONE deserves to be falsely accused of such a horrible thing. That would definitely NOT be a case of just desserts.

And for the record, which I've stated before, I think that, if he didn't solicit someone for prostitution, Latham's arrest is bogus and he should be defended on the basis of his right to privacy just as anyone else should be. Of course that will be a sticky situation for him, since I'm sure he's been a big fan of such laws when they were being used to lock up other homosexuals.

[ January 11, 2006, 10:45 PM: Message edited by: UMRebel/Bucfan ]

Uh, Bucfan..he raped his children. Not only is he a pedophile, but he committed incest! Pedophilic Incest! That deserves everyone's anger, but not because he's "gay," rather because he committed incest and pedophilia.

We should never equate homosexuality with pedophilia nor incest. These are seperate concepts.

Yeah, I'm sure the christ-bots will march forth and blab some crap about Satan taking him over, and his incestuous pedophilia was really homosexuality, but they're wrong. That misconception is where you focus the hot blue flame of truth. Burn them.

Herr Tiggee, Could you have possibly misconstrued my post any more?

I hope I didn't give the impression that I approve of child molestation or incest or that I equate pedophilia with homosexuality. Please read my comment again. If I gave that impression I will rewrite it or remove it. That was NOT my intention on any of those points.

Since it couldn't be further from what I said, or intended to say, I would appreciate it if you would remove your response. I am very offended by your assertion that I said any of those things.

Jesus Herr Tiggee, you've already found this man guilty and seem to know all the facts of the case from this one brief report with virtually no details. Maybe you should call the police down in TN and let them know that they don't need to do any more investigation. Just get the rope and string him up. From this one report we have no idea what the situation might be. Maybe he did do it. But considering the fact that the police are still investigating, it might be a bit premature to be making such absolute statements.

I'd sure hate to have you on a jury Herr Tiggee. I can see you sitting in the jury box, tapping your toe, braiding a hangmans rope and looking at your watch, paying no attention to those distractions in the witness box.

I mentioned earlier that I felt certain that the "evil left wing commie organization" ACLU would be the first to defend Latham if they felt his civil or constitutional rights had been violated. They are doing just that . They, unlike him, aren't hypocrites. I applaud their move. It must kill him that his arch enemy is now probably his only advocate. There is so much irony in this story.

[ January 12, 2006, 08:34 AM: Message edited by: UMRebel/Bucfan ]

In another forum that I post in, one of the members posted the old urban legend about a gay man and a gerbil. I pointed out that doing something with an animal is bestiality, not gay. The problem is, that once the association is made, it's difficult to break that connection. So we now have a society that views homosexuality and pedophilia as inseparable. And as a young teenager, I can remember thinking "I can't be gay. I have no desire to let an animal crawl up my butt. " So even I thought that to be gay meant that I liked to do it with not only men, but animals too.

Has anyone considered, regarding the Oklahoma case, that it may have been a gay cop who busted the reverend to expose his hypocrisy?

Think about it.

You're a gay Oklahoma City cop, and here is a prominent figure in the fight against gay equality, an icon in the fight even, asking you to go back to his hotel room for sex. You know the US Supreme Court struck down all sodomy laws and the case may not fly, but the reverend will now be on the police blotter and the press will find out.

It's sneaky and a little farfetched, but it could be the case.

[ January 13, 2006, 09:22 AM: Message edited by: Puschkin ]

If that's the case, then I say give the Cop a medal!!

This may work out well for us in OKlahoma. The pulpit hypocrite is outted and if the ACLU wins the case then the cops are put in their place.

Considering the police were conducting a sting to stop male prostitution at that location, I think the gay cop scenario is highly unlikely.

Oh? The reverend is 60 years old. I don't know what hustlers look like in Tampa, but around here they tend to be young with a high-mileage look to them. It's highly unlikely that anyone would mistake a 60 year-old man for a prostitute. I doubt that he dressed the part either.

I don't know where "around here" is but here in Tampa, we call it a prostitution sting when cops pose as hookers/hustlers and arrest John's that solicit sex. Maybe you call that something different "around there".

When cops are doing a prostitution sting to arrest the prostitutes they generally pose as John's rather than prostitutes. I'm sorry if there was any confusion. I hope that clears things up about how we do things here in Tampa.

The article said that the police were trying to cut down on prostitution at that location, not me. Since the way that that is usually accomplished is by arresting the solicitors and/or the solitees I don't see why it is unreasonable to think that he got caught up in the sting.

It looks like the cops over-reached the scope of a prostitution sting regardless. Evidently the good pastor was arrested for soliciting sex with no discussion about or exchange of money. That is total bullshit regardless of how big a hypocrite this man is.

Then there's a Catholic priest in Chicago, Fr. Daniel McCormack. He couldn't keep his hands off two young boys.

The season of outing the right-wing hypocrites just keeps advancing. 9News in Colorado has the goods on the Reverend Ted Haggard, leader of a Colorado Springs megachurch. Haggard has repeatedly denounced homosexuals, is married with children, and was profiled on by Tom Brokaw on national TV.

A man has come forward to say that he and Haggard had a sexual relationship, which Haggard paid for (i.e., prostitution), for years. He also is saying that he witnessed Haggard using crystal meth (i.e., illegal drugs).

Haggard is denying it, but Jones is stating all of this on the record, on radio and in print, and it appears he's in a good position to defend his allegations.

So now, alongside right-wing hypocrite GOP Senator Larry Craig, who was outed weeks ago, only to have the media run the other way, and GOP Congressman Jim Foley, the raging pederast, who was protected by a cabal of Republicans, and GOP Congressmen Don Sherwood and John Sweeney, the former accused of trying to strangle his female lover, the latter of beating his wife so badly she had to call the police, and Jim Gibbons, the GOP Congressman running for Nevada governor who is being accused of having assaulted a young woman outside bar, we have this paragon of Christian morality and virtue, Reverend Ted, who may have been getting his freak on with a gay prostitute!

Does this hypocritical craziness ever end?

When I saw the photos of the two guys, I could have sworn the photos were reversed. The right-winger looks like a gay escort, and the escort looks like the conservative right-winger.

God I just love these stories! Seems like they all have these double lives.

The paragons of virtue often turn out to be the purveyors of sin.

This is great -- Haggard is extremely powerful (has a daily "conference call" with Dubya, supposedly). He is seen in the current documentary "Jesus Camp" and also the Richard Dawkins docu "Root of All Evil". Dawkins, the famous atheist (who coincidentally was parodied on South Park last nite) debates Haggard about evolution. And after being charming on film, Haggard turns around and has Dawkins thrown off his campus.

Looks like Mike Jones did his work to protect himself. He supposedly has Haggard (what a name!) on tape, among other things.

I love this description of the tableaux in his church, and its raging homoeroticism:



All of this begs the question, why won't these deeply tormented, unwell people just get help rather than taking out their extreme internal alienation and psychological crises on the rest of us? Here this troubled man is, denouncing gays, bolstering the Worst President Ever, pushing his extreme Christianist (and not Christian) agenda, and yet in his private time he's doing meth and paying for a male prostitute! FOR THREE YEARS! Does anyone think Mike Jones was his first, or will be his last? Personally, I say do what you want to do with a consenting adult, but don't go around working out your deep shame and guilt--because there SHOULD BE NO SHAME OR GUILT BECAUSE YOU ARE HOMOSEXUAL, BISEXUAL OR TRANSGENDER--by denouncing gays and lesbians, condemning us, trying deny us our human and constitutional rights to equality, making our lives hell because your followers want to attack and kill us!

Let's see if Georgie Porgie takes his phone calls now. He can always kvetch with Miss Senator Larry Craig in the meanwhile.

OUT 'EM ALL, THE SCUMBAGS.............5 DAY LEFT

Calling Larry Craig...calling Larry Craig......

Looks like the outed Rev. has stepped down "temporarily" from his church, but also resigned from the National Association of Evangelicals! I guess he won't be hitting the campaign trail with his very close friend George W. Bush to push for the anti-gay marriage legislation he was championing, poor thing.

The accussee says he has documentation, so I guess the Rev. better starting praying real hard that, oh, lightning bolts from Jesus Himself zap it wherever it is. BTW, the pics hanging in that church wouldn't be out of place on many a gay website....

Update: I had to add the link to the hot homoerotic art in his church.

Always remember boys & girls:

He who laughs last, laughs best!

How prophetic...

Another Republican hypocrite... *yawn*. Seriously, is there a single Republican remaining who is a heterosexual, non-deviant, normal person, or is the entire GOP a cult of self-loathing individuals?

There you go again, making this into some GOP scandal. You REALLY need to get back to the Institute before it's too late. Your partisanship knows no bounds, and it is truly sad. Instead of just calling this what it is--an Evangelical who's a big hypocrite--you have to label this as some sort of Republican issue. The GOP has enough problems of its own.

This man was profiled by Tom Brokaw, a liberal. Therefore, this guy illustrates the hypocrisy of the Democrats, not the Republicans (I'm using fantomas logic, of course).

Not every scandal out there belongs to the GOP, so take off that tin foil hat and get a clue for once.

Read the story carefully. He's resigned temporarily while the charges are investigated.
I'm not believing this whole thing yet. Something not right about it...I sure hope this guy has not brought these charges up for political reasons....That would set us back light years....

Like the truth matters to fantomas! If there's even a HINT of involving the GOP or making the GOP look remotely bad, he'll post it here faster than his clock's bird can pop out and say, "Cuckoo!" Remember, we are talking about the most ideologically biased partisan on this board.

MIB, it's so sad that you have to defend the indefensible anti-gay GOPers every chance to you get, but when you're a true believer like you are, it makes complete sense--or nonsense. Why do you always rush to defend people who attack gay people? What's behind that? Why on earth would you be defending these anti-gay fanatics, who're all part of the GOP?

Obviously not every scandal involves the GOP. Democratic Congressman William Jefferson has been accused of taking a massive bribe from foreign interests. Democratic Governor Rod Blagojevich has a host of scandals surrounding him, as does Democratic mayor Richard Daley. The Democratic New York State Comptroller, Alan Hevesi, also is embroiled in a serious scandal.

Yet not one of these people is an anti-gay moralistic fanatic claiming the moral high ground and going out at bashing homosexuals, bisexuals, and transgender people. Why do you think Mike Jones spoke out about Haggard, huh? Your Republican favorites you're defending are anti-gay fanatics and bashers. Yet Haggard is out there paying for sex with a gay male prostitute (probably using the churchgoers' hard-earned money no less, or our federal tax dollars he's getting through one of the faith-based initiatives) and tooting up on crystal meth. So I'll ask again, why are you defending Ted Haggard, who is on the phone "once a week" with George W. Bush, the Republican president of the United States, working with him push the Christianist agenda? Aren't they big Republicans, or do you know something that no one else does?

BTW, here's Rev. Haggard going on about homosexuality (oh, the clip mentions how he's one of Preznit's closest advisors).

And here he compares himself to John Kerry (!).

Hey, if he were being set up and hadn't done anything, why would he resign? I mean, evangelicals are very forgiving aren't they? Jesus Christ sure was. Maybe he'll lay off his fellow homos/bis/trannies for a while.

Honestly, if there is truth to this story, the guy has an easy way out....

Satan spoke to him through the drugs and made him sodomize...

He goes into rehab, claims he is off the drugs, no more man/boy love, dialed up Jesus and was forgiven...

Fake tears, a 30 minute confession to the congregation and the evangelicals will take him back in a heartbeat and donate thousands of dollars to the "correction" therapies....

Who's defending them? I'm certainly not. Instead, I exhibit equity and fairness toward people. As usual, you go off into the land of ASSumptions.




In the world of politics, I can't believe you could be so naive to actually ask such a question.

MIB, be nice. Quit it. Now. All you seem to do is try to start arguements over the stupidest things. Stop it. You are way above that. Kick, I think you came up with the perfect scenerio...I sure hope Haggard doesn't read Outsports...you might have given him a great idea. BTW, that Haggard is a hottie! Too bad he's so f*cked up in the head.

Now, now, gentlemen. Let's try to play nice and make well for all the newbies on here who might need some encouragement to want to post their opinions on the matter, most especially Mr. Haggard (if he's reading this).

As for the subject at hand, Mr. Haggard has finally been shown to be a hypocrite, much as the Pharisees and Sadducees of Jesus' time were exposed. Disconcerting as this is, Mr. Haggard must have read that somewhere in his Bible and realized that lesson would come back to bite him on the a$$.

I sure hope this has truth and can be substantiated. If this accuser is a fake this will really be damning to gays and lesbians. Because the guy won't produce the tapes or anything else that would be evidence makes me suspect this is all a hoax. The guy even said it was political in nature.

What bothers me is how quickly we are to believe him and attack the Reverend. I hate the guy but pulling crap like this will only make him stronger if the accusation is false.

Hazzard is admitting to some of the allegations: http://www.kktv.com/breakingnews/4557411.html

Yeah and from the story I read about this on MSNBC this morning, the drugs involved were meth, and Hazzard was seeking.

I was thinking the exact same thing yesterday. That's funny!!

According to headlines off MSNBC, he has confessed to "some" of the allegations.

Here is what the local affiliate says about it.

Oh, the hypocrisy.

How's that KoolAid MIB? Oh, and where did your buddy gmg run off too?
Cut and run!

I am of 2 minds on this. First I think it is good when hypocrites are exposed. well the ones that use their position and power to deny equality to others especially when they are in essence opressing themselves.
The other side is that I am sad when someone is so filled with self hatred, internalized homophobia, are so conflicted about their sexuality that they feel forced to patronize prostitutes. As a former fundamentalist I know the internal conflict, the pain that it causes and all that goes with it. I also feel for his wife and children that this secret has been exposed in such a public way. That has got to be tough and hopefully people will think of them before doing or saying anything in public that could cause them further harm.

Hear! Hear!

The escort demanded to take a polygraph test live on the radio to prove he wasn't lying.

This morning, he did. And failed.

If I can guess the ending of this - and it's awfully early yet, but that never stopped me from guessing - the prevailing belief will be that Jones is an opportunistic and money-grubbing fairy who saw a chance to both make some coin AND cause some damage to the capital-C-Church, and so jumped at the chance. Haggard will either come off as a good man who was "led astray" (by porn on the Internet, or by meth addiction), or as a hypocritcal self-loather who, like all homosexuals, dealt in lies and deceit.

The loser? Who else? Us.

LXN

Thanks for the uplifting words.

He may have failed, but ...



Better images of Mike Jones

Your assumption is that people are going to read past that first sentence...or even care that there might be more past that first sentence. They won't.

Jones took test - test showed deception - Jones is a liar. End of story.

I just don't understand why gays get happy/gleeful when a story like this breaks (Conservative/Religious-Type Leads Secret Gay Lifestyle). Nothing good ever comes of it, other than one hypocrite leaving a position. The people involved always end up looking and sounding horrible, and usually the "partner" is the one who gets maligned the most. And it never results in the leader's followers deciding that "gay is OK". They just stone the guy who lied to them, and take their chips to another table.

Wow, that was a hell of mixed metaphor there, weren't it?

LXN

The latest headline says that he admits he bought meth, but threw it away......

He now admits to getting a massage in the latest headlines from MSNBC. So who's telling the truth in this case and who isn't? (Hint: It's not Mr. Haggard)

I said the other day, OUT 'EM ALL...............THREE DAYS LEFT.

TRL

This photo says it all...