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mdterp01
Rosie blasts Kelly Ripa on "The View" for homophobic remarks about Clay Aiken

Ok...first of all, last I checked, Clay Aiken has either denied or not addressed the rumors of his sexual orientation. So, Rosie has taken it upon herself to speak for him regarding his sexual orientation. She just believes that he is. Now for someone who has not publicly declared that he's gay I think thats wrong in itself. Nevermind, going after Kelly for the comment. But, Clay hasn't said "Yes, I'm gay". Second of all, just like Kelly responded...Clay had shaken hands with people in the audience and the germophobe I am...damn right I'd be sayin the same thing. Don't touch my mouth with your hands because I have no clue where they have been.

The short of it is that Rosie has once again opened her big mouth on someone and blasted them for something she is assuming. Ya know...I've only watched The View a few times since the whole Star debacle. It just made the show seem like a complete joke. The show seems to have turned into Rosie's soapbox. For Rosie to blast a fellow tv host, on air, on an assumption like that is completely unprofessional in my opinion. She's had some run ins since she's been on the show and its just gettin old Rosie. Maybe Kelly isn't munchin it out right at home and she's got a 'tude.
UCLAfan
The way I read this, it's basically boiling down to Rosie outing Clay "Gay"-ken. What a horrible way to be outed! dry.gif If I were Clay, I think I'd like to properly thank Rosie.
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Nov 21 2006, 10:59 PM) *

Rosie blasts Kelly Ripa on "The View" for homophobic remarks about Clay Aiken

Ok...first of all, last I checked, Clay Aiken has either denied or not addressed the rumors of his sexual orientation. So, Rosie has taken it upon herself to speak for him regarding his sexual orientation. She just believes that he is. Now for someone who has not publicly declared that he's gay I think thats wrong in itself. Nevermind, going after Kelly for the comment. But, Clay hasn't said "Yes, I'm gay". Second of all, just like Kelly responded...Clay had shaken hands with people in the audience and the germophobe I am...damn right I'd be sayin the same thing. Don't touch my mouth with your hands because I have no clue where they have been.

The short of it is that Rosie has once again opened her big mouth on someone and blasted them for something she is assuming. Ya know...I've only watched The View a few times since the whole Star debacle. It just made the show seem like a complete joke. The show seems to have turned into Rosie's soapbox. For Rosie to blast a fellow tv host, on air, on an assumption like that is completely unprofessional in my opinion. She's had some run ins since she's been on the show and its just gettin old Rosie. Maybe Kelly isn't munchin it out right at home and she's got a 'tude.


Come on, now. OF COURSE, Kelly's implication was that Clay was gay. Whether Clay has come out or not is beside the point. Kelly was basically saying, "Keep your hands off me and away from my mouth because, whether you've admitted it or not, who knows what kind of weird sexual things you have been doing with those hands."

If she had been referring to germs from shaking the audience members' hands, why would she have said anything about not knowing where his hands have been?? She knew where they were...shaking audience members hands!

I admire Rosie for not letting crap like this go unnoticed. Kelly made a clearly derogatory mark toward a man who everyone (including herself) thinks is gay. And Rosie called her on it. More power to her.
hockeyTom
I saw " The View" today, and this whole thing. Rosie gets what Rosie deserves for adding way much more than necessary in my opinion. I don't like her as much on this program. She tends to hijack the show, over and over and over. The rest of the gang on the show really can't be that happy. I get tired of hearing her preach about flying cross country to attend the latest Barbara Streisand concert,( for the umpteenth time I might add), or the latest foibles with her kids or Kelly. She just adds way to much in my opinion, and If I were Barbara Walters I would be thinking twice about signing her on.
mdterp01
QUOTE(WhatWouldChrissieDo @ Nov 21 2006, 06:34 PM) *

Come on, now. OF COURSE, Kelly's implication was that Clay was gay. Whether Clay has come out or not is beside the point. Kelly was basically saying, "Keep your hands off me and away from my mouth because, whether you've admitted it or not, who knows what kind of weird sexual things you have been doing with those hands."

If she had been referring to germs from shaking the audience members' hands, why would she have said anything about not knowing where his hands have been?? She knew where they were...shaking audience members hands!

I admire Rosie for not letting crap like this go unnoticed. Kelly made a clearly derogatory mark toward a man who everyone (including herself) thinks is gay. And Rosie called her on it. More power to her.


Why didn't Kelly say anything about knowing where his hands have been? Oh gee...wild guess...maybe because she didn't want to offend the audience by inferring they were germy. I'm gettin sick of Rosie's weekly tirades and her being on this show seems to have gone to her head. And whether Clay has come out or not ISN'T beside the point. If that boy is gay and is not comfortable announcing it publicly then its his choice. For someone else, especially someone who is gay, to basically assume that he's gay (cuz yes thats what Rosie is doing, assuming, since Clay hasn't come out) is just tacky and shows her lack of class. Go play with your kids Rosie. I'll take Kelly any day over Rosie's loud mouth self.

And by the way...I've done that same thing with both gay and straight people. I am a germophobe and I don't like people touching my face with their hands, especially my mouth, and I tell them if they even act like they are comin at me with their hands. "Back off cuz I don't know where your nasty hands have been". So many people accuse others of playing the "race" card. Is Rosie playing the "gay" card?"

Ok...just watched Inside Edition and saw that Kelly called into The View to confront Rosie. (GO AHEAD KELLY...someone needs to go toe to toe with her opinionated self). Kelly said that she has 3 kids and knows about how germy hands are and that its cold and flu season and thats what she meant and told Rosie that it was ridiculous to assume the comment was homophobic. Rosie still stuck to her belief that it was (whatever) but again...the bigger issue is that Clay hasn't come out of the closet so Rosie shouldn't have said SHYT!!!
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Nov 21 2006, 11:58 PM) *

Why didn't Kelly say anything about knowing where his hands have been? Oh gee...wild guess...maybe because she didn't want to offend the audience by inferring they were germy. I'm gettin sick of Rosie's weekly tirades and her being on this show seems to have gone to her head. And whether Clay has come out or not ISN'T beside the point. If that boy is gay and is not comfortable announcing it publicly then its his choice. For someone else, especially someone who is gay, to basically assume that he's gay (cuz yes thats what Rosie is doing, assuming, since Clay hasn't come out) is just tacky and shows her lack of class. Go play with your kids Rosie. I'll take Kelly any day over Rosie's loud mouth self.

And by the way...I've done that same thing with both gay and straight people. I am a germophobe and I don't like people touching my face with their hands, especially my mouth, and I tell them if they even act like they are comin at me with their hands. "Back off cuz I don't know where your nasty hands have been".


So basically you think that Kelly's comment was completely about germs and had nothing whatsoever to do with Clay or his questionable sexuality? And that the way she said it with the sassy "Honey" on the end would have been the same way she would have said it to, say, Jeff Gordon? I think not.

If Rosie wants to address dubious behavior like this, I say keep the "weekly tirades" coming. (And by the way, if you watch the clip of Rosie, you see it's anything but a "tirade." It's an informed rational observation.)
George Twins fan
Kelly Ripa is not homphobic. She works wth Gelman every day!

I didn't see Rosie's clip, but I did see what Kelly said. I didn't think it was at all homophobic but I knew some people would take it that way. Sorry but you don't put your hand up over anyone's mouth like that. It is rude, unprofessional and can indeed pass germs. And the truth is, you don't know where that (or any) hand has been.
mdterp01
QUOTE(WhatWouldChrissieDo @ Nov 21 2006, 07:26 PM) *

So basically you think that Kelly's comment was completely about germs and had nothing whatsoever to do with Clay or his questionable sexuality? And that the way she said it with the sassy "Honey" on the end would have been the same way she would have said it to, say, Jeff Gordon? I think not.

If Rosie wants to address dubious behavior like this, I say keep the "weekly tirades" coming. (And by the way, if you watch the clip of Rosie, you see it's anything but a "tirade." It's an informed rational observation.)


The "I don't know where that hand has been HONEY" seems like Kelly being Kelly to me. And if Rosie wants to address her assumptions like this on tv its her choice and she will have to deal with the consequences, which include more and more people being sick of her blowing things out of proportion. Then Rosie goes on to say "ya know I feel for the kid...he's in a bad place". WHAT BAD PLACE??!!! Whatever...I respect everyone's opinion on this. I just explained it to my mother and she believes that Kelly's inference was to Clay's rumored sexual orientation. However, she said that since Clay hasn't come out, Rosie should not have took it upon herself to say its a "homophobic" comment about someone who hasn't come out of the closet. Again...that bothers me more than the issue of Kelly's comment itself, which I still believe wasn't homophobic. And again...if you are someone who works around people and are sensitive to germs then I see that statement as being completely legit! Rosie is just going to continue to tighten the noose around her neck until it can't be tightened anymore. She is her own worst enemy because there's a way to go about addressing things, even if that is what Kelly meant by it. That was not the right way. Go Kelly!!
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Nov 22 2006, 12:38 AM) *

The "I don't know where that hand has been HONEY" seems like Kelly being Kelly to me. And if Rosie wants to address her assumptions like this on tv its her choice and she will have to deal with the consequences, which include more and more people being sick of her blowing things out of proportion. Then Rosie goes on to say "ya know I feel for the kid...he's in a bad place". WHAT BAD PLACE??!!! Whatever...I respect everyone's opinion on this. I just explained it to my mother and she believes that Kelly's inference was to Clay's rumored sexual orientation. However, she said that since Clay hasn't come out, Rosie should not have took it upon herself to say its a "homophobic" comment about someone who hasn't come out of the closet. Again...that bothers me more than the issue of Kelly's comment itself, which I still believe wasn't homophobic. And again...if you are someone who works around people and are sensitive to germs then I see that statement as being completely legit! Go Kelly!! Rosie is just going to continue to tighten the noose around her neck until it can't be tightened anymore. She is her own worst enemy because there's a way to go about addressing things, even if that is what Kelly meant by it. That was not the right way. Go Kelly!!


It's THE VIEW. And Rosie's expressing hers in a rational way. If she said nothing, she wouldn't be doing her job.

I'll tell you what lacked class. It was Kelly phoning into The View and telling everyone how disrespectful Clay was because he didn't thank her!
mdterp01
QUOTE(George Twins fan @ Nov 21 2006, 07:31 PM) *

Kelly Ripa is not homphobic. She works wth Gelman every day!

I didn't see Rosie's clip, but I did see what Kelly said. I didn't think it was at all homophobic but I knew some people would take it that way. Sorry but you don't put your hand up over anyone's mouth like that. It is rude, unprofessional and can indeed pass germs. And the truth is, you don't know where that (or any) hand has been.


THANK YOU! Even the people on the panel with Rosie acknowledged the part about Kelly saying she's got 3 kids and its cold and flu season. Bottom line...it is rude and unprofessional like you said George. Take today for instance. I was in a training and took a break to go outside in a park by the building. There was a man who reminded me of the woman from Home Alone 2 who had all the pigeons over her. Now I was from a distance but it seemed like the man had something in his hand that the pigeons were feeding from. This man had pigeons on his shoulders, on top of his head and he had them in his BARE HANDS as he pet them. PIGEONS ARE NASTY. Now I thought he was homeless but he walked off with some other man who was with him. And I was like see...that nasty son of a &%$## is about to go into some public building and put his nasty hands all over the door handles and anything else that someone else has to go behind and touch. I keep antibacterial stuff in my car and on my desk because I'm just a germophobe like that.

I'm watching Entertainment Tonight and audience members and one woman said the homophobic thing was out of line for Rosie to say. Two other girls said they always talk about where men's hands are and how they don't want them covering their mouths. I mean this is something that I think is so stupid and has been blown out of the most ridiculous proportion.
J eddie
QUOTE(hockeyTom @ Nov 21 2006, 06:34 PM) *

I saw " The View" today, and this whole thing. Rosie gets what Rosie deserves for adding way much more than necessary in my opinion. I don't like her as much on this program. She tends to hijack the show, over and over and over. The rest of the gang on the show really can't be that happy. I get tired of hearing her preach about flying cross country to attend the latest Barbara Streisand concert,( for the umpteenth time I might add), or the latest foibles with her kids or Kelly. She just adds way to much in my opinion, and If I were Barbara Walters I would be thinking twice about signing her on.


Tom,
I couldn't have said it better if I tried.The "Queen of Nice" has turned into a royal pain in the ass! wink.gif
mdterp01
QUOTE(eddiec. @ Nov 21 2006, 07:52 PM) *

Tom,
I couldn't have said it better if I tried.The "Queen of Nice" has turned into a royal pain in the ass! wink.gif


I co-sign on that. She's turned me off to the show completely.
SelesFan91
Rosie read WAYYYYY too much into that and I think she was really out of line to call Kelly homophobic for that statement. I've said the same thing a dozen times when someone's touched me, with no inference whatsoever as to the person's sexual orientation. Rosie's got herself a big old soapbox to stand on with The View and she's pulling issues out of thin air to try to be able to speak her mind on those issues. I think she was off-base this time, though.
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(SelesFan91 @ Nov 22 2006, 02:26 AM) *

Rosie read WAYYYYY too much into that and I think she was really out of line to call Kelly homophobic for that statement. I've said the same thing a dozen times when someone's touched me, with no inference whatsoever as to the person's sexual orientation. Rosie's got herself a big old soapbox to stand on with The View and she's pulling issues out of thin air to try to be able to speak her mind on those issues. I think she was off-base this time, though.


You REALLY think there was no gay undertone in what Kelly said to Clay and how she said it? That Kelly was simply referring to germs on Clay's hand? Are you serious?
Munson Man
I find Kelly Ripa's explanation completely valid and logical. She's a germaphobe, she's got young children, and, kike many women I know, she's got an inherent distrust of the hygiene habits of men. Big deal. What I find rude is that pompous windbag Rosie O'Donnell sticking to her guns and essentiallt calling Ripa a liar. imagine if someone did that to her - she'd rip theit head off.

And BTW, Rosie O'Donnell, for all those years she had her own show, always refused to acknowledge her own homoexuality, and went after anybody who implied she was gay with a phalanx of lawyers. Instead she talked about her crush on Tom Cruise and put up smokescreens. it wasn't until her show was in its final season, and her many millions were safely in the bank, that she acknowledged her queerness. And she hasn't shut up since. So for her to make such casual references to Aiken's unacknowledged sexuality reeks of hypocrisy and self-serving behavior.
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(Munson Man @ Nov 22 2006, 02:59 AM) *

I find Kelly Ripa's explanation completely valid and logical. She's a germaphobe, she's got young children, and, kike many women I know, she's got an inherent distrust of the hygiene habits of men. Big deal. What I find rude is that pompous windbag Rosie O'Donnell sticking to her guns and essentiallt calling Ripa a liar. imagine if someone did that to her - she'd rip theit head off.

And BTW, Rosie O'Donnell, for all those years she had her own show, always refused to acknowledge her own homoexuality, and went after anybody who implied she was gay with a phalanx of lawyers. Instead she talked about her crush on Tom Cruise and put up smokescreens. it wasn't until her show was in its final season, and her many millions were safely in the bank, that she acknowledged her queerness. And she hasn't shut up since. So for her to make such casual references to Aiken's unacknowledged sexuality reeks of hypocrisy and self-serving behavior.


The homophobia on this particular board disappoints me.
TheOtherFSU
I'm torn on this. First of all, I think Clay putting his hand across Kelly's face was rude. I TiVoed the show last week when I saw he was on, so I saw the whole thing. Clay did come across as kind of a jerk the entire episode. I'm not sure what was up with that... I'd never seen him like that before so it was odd.

With that said, I also think Kelly's response was homophobic. That whole, "I don't know where those hands have been, honey" thing was a homophobic statement considering she said it to someone who, although not publicly out, has long been the target of homophobic rants, accusations, slurs, jokes, etc.

Kelly in no way was referring to germs from audience members' hands with her catty comment. I think a better way to handle the whole thing would have been for her to say nothing at all. Clay shouldn't have tried to put his hand across her mouth, but remember... this is a silly and supposedly light entertainment show where this type of banter goes on every day between her and Regis. Maybe that's why Clay thought it was OK. I'm not saying it was right, but Kelly over-reacted big time. And she would have never said that remark with the mocking "honey" attached to it if she were alongside Wilmer Valderrama or Mario Lopez or someone else she thinks is hot and straight. On a recent episode of the show, Wilmer was her co-host and she told him, "you are so my type." How appropriate is that for a married woman? The key here is she was joking when she said that I'm sure. Yes he's hot and yes he probably is her type, but was she seriously interested in having an affair with him? I don't think so... because this is a supposedly fun, light and airy show where she can say those types of things.

To feign outrage now over the Clay incident seems to be disingenuous on Kelly's part. Do I think she's homophobic? No. Do I think she made a homophobic comment? Yes.

And I love Rosie. She is a great voice for the gay and lesbian community and has done an amazing amount of good for us... most of which people don't even know about because she does so much behind the scenes. And I know that for a fact.
JR in TX
It looks to me like Clay's mouthgrab was a rude attempt at a joke at Kelly's expense, which is probably not a great idea to do to a host on her own show. People, don't be so freaked that she made a (less) rude joke back. She and Regis bicker all the time. The sassy give and take is part of the show. If Clay is going to give some, he'd better be willing to take some. laugh.gif

Rosie is just nervous that Barbara will start getting ideas and wrap her hands around Rosie's neck. Is this really a battle she should have picked? Is she trying to project herself as America's Angriest Lesbian?

First Kramer, now this. So much hostility!
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(JR in TX @ Nov 22 2006, 03:57 AM) *

Is she trying to project herself as America's Angriest Lesbian?

First Kramer, now this. So much hostility!


YIKES. Did you even see the clip of Rosie on The View? She was not angry or hostile!
TheOtherFSU
I just got done watching my TiVoed episode of "The View" from today. WhatWouldChrissieDo is exactly right (by the way, that handle is one of my faves on here). Rosie wasn't the least bit hostile at all. There was much more made out of this than there should have been.

I swear our country has really gone down the drain with all of the tip-toeing and walking on eggshells now that YouTube captures every moment of everyone's lives. Every word -- spoken or implied -- ever used by anyone is evaluated and scrutinized to the point that someone somewhere will always be offended. It's pretty sick if you ask me. Someone always has to be offended by something these days.
jcboltfan
Didn't see the View and only read about Rosie's comments, but I did see the entire Live episode with Kelly and Clay and he was just plain weird the whole episode. Most are just seeing the interview with Emmitt and Cheryl, but he started out just being stupid needling her and annoying her from the beginning of the show. You could tell she just wanted to get through the show and the interview(s) and when he put his hand on her mouth it was like an annoying little brother who wasn't getting his way or enough attention. Did she bite his head off, yeah, but I wouldn't have reacted too well to someone covering my mouth especially considering he is not a star of the show and his name is not on the marquee. Ripa is definately not a homophobe and has lots of gay fans since her days on All My Children and Dance Party USA. Aiken is just odd kind of like Michael Jackson, but without the career or the talent. I'm surprised she called in to the View--I would have just let them bitch on.
UCLAfan
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 21 2006, 10:47 PM) *

I swear our country has really gone down the drain with all of the tip-toeing and walking on eggshells now that YouTube captures every moment of everyone's lives. Every word -- spoken or implied -- ever used by anyone is evaluated and scrutinized to the point that someone somewhere will always be offended. It's pretty sick if you ask me. Someone always has to be offended by something these days.


FSU, this is true. Sometimes I think that some people will always be offended by something. Rosie's outing of Clay Gay-ken is just another line that has been crossed.

I don't think Rude Rosie had anything to complain about and needs to come down off her high horse. At the same time, Kelly Ripa's implication with her "Honey" at the end of her comment is clearly a derision of gays. This is something that is all blown out of proportion at the expense of Clay, for whom I am starting to have a great deal of sympathy.

Clay, if you're reading this, you can always count on me for a sympathetic shoulder upon which to cry. wink.gif
millerbeach
If Clay is gay, it's got to be the worst-kept secret in America, but it is his secret nonetheless. Until then, no one should out him. Did Rosie out him? No, she made a statement that she felt Kelly made a homophobic remark. You can be straight and have homophobic remarks made about you. The worst thing for a straight man is to be accused of being gay. Not much security among the heteros, don't you know. As for Clay, I would have bitch-slapped him. First of all, no one touches my face. That's my money-maker. It's weird, germy and just odd. Plus, she probably has a half an inch of t.v. make-up on, and touching it could cause a problem with streaking of the make-up. Rosie got the gig, so get over her being on The View. You all sound like a bunch of jealous, bitter-Betties when you start talking her down. If you don't like the program, CHANGE THE CHANNEL! She got the job because she is very opinionated. If they wanted a wallflower, they could have hired someone else. They chose Rosie. She is paid to express her opinion. They are doing all of this for the ratings anyway, so don't put too much weight into this situation. There are bigger fish to fry.
J eddie
QUOTE(Munson Man @ Nov 21 2006, 09:59 PM) *

And BTW, Rosie O'Donnell, for all those years she had her own show, always refused to acknowledge her own homoexuality, and went after anybody who implied she was gay with a phalanx of lawyers. Instead she talked about her crush on Tom Cruise and put up smokescreens. it wasn't until her show was in its final season, and her many millions were safely in the bank, that she acknowledged her queerness. And she hasn't shut up since. So for her to make such casual references to Aiken's unacknowledged sexuality reeks of hypocrisy and self-serving behavior.


I think some folks forgot about this and I'm glad you brought this up,Munson Man.I don't feel she's qualified to be the "Defender of the Gay Universe"
mdterp01
Ohhh please....why is it that anytime a person expresses their dislike of someone they have to be "jealous" or a "hater"? By people's own admission, Rosie is a very opinionated person. She is very polarizing. Most people I know either love her or can't stand her and I happen to be one of those who can't stand her and the way she goes about expressing her opinion. Perhaps thats why I sounded off so strongly about this. This is not Rosie's first run in with someone since she began the show and I just had to respond to her ridiculous accusation of Kelly. I can do that and not be jealous or a hater. What the hell do I have to be jealous of her for? You'll really need a new record because that "jealous" one has gotten tired!
Gaga4Gaby
Well, this is the first I've heard of any of this, but I too can see both sides. I 100% agree that Rosie shouldn't have said anything - even if she does truly believe it was a homophobic remark - because, exactly, Clay being gay is the "worst kept secret in America." (Great way to put it!) But so long as he chooses to be in the closet publically, that choice deserves respect. Someone like Rosie O'Donnell, who has been in that position and worked hard to do the same, should know better. And, honestly, it's hard enough for closeted celebs to avoid the tabloids and rumor mill; do they have to be guarded now too against the gay community? It shouldn't be that way. I don't think Rosie intentionally "outed" Clay, but she didn't think before acting.

However, I don't buy the germ thing with Kelly. Yes, it was rude of Clay to try and cover her mouth, but the quote from Kelly doesn't wash with the "cold and flu season" explanation. Meanwhile, I'm sorry for anyone who is a 'germaphobe,' but germs are everywhere. You cannot avoid them. That's why God gave us immune systems. Relax. If it's a concern, then washing your hands when you want or keeping antibacterial lotion is a logical solution and I say more power to ya. But when you start freaking out over casual human interaction - rude though it may be - then you've crossed a line. Seriously, imagine how many people come up to Kelly Ripa each day and ask for autographs, shake her hand, or want hugs. And then take into account the statistics on how many people don't wash their hands after they go to the bathroom or how many germs live on your average doorknob. It's a pointless obsession and too convenient an excuse for Kelly. I agree that she wouldn't have cared about germs if the guy was an overtly heterosexual hottie touching her, although I don't know anyone who likes having their mouth covered up in that way. At least not in public.

In summary: Rosie's a loudmouth. Kelly's a prude.
TheOtherFSU
I will be carefully watching if Kelly touches any guests' hands, or (gasp!) lets a guest kiss her between now and the end of March (you know... flu season!). Since she's a real germaphobe, it's important that she take every precaution.
WhatWouldChrissieDo
I don't really get why Rosie is to blame for bringing up this incident.

Clearly, Clay is of questionable sexuality; he doesn't admit to being either straight or gay. So when Kelly Ripa sassily says, "I don't know where your hands have been, honey!", I (as many others do) interpret that as a knock against Clay's possible gay nature.

That's what Rosie said. She didn't say Clay was gay. She said that because of his "questionable sexuality," she considered Kelly's remark to be homophobic. And I agree with her.

If Kelly had outright called Clay a "f****t", should Rosie not have brought it up because Clay is still in the closet?
Gaga4Gaby
But Kelly didn't call Clay a f****t. Kelly didn't call Clay anything other than honey. While that can be read in a number of ways, she didn't bring up sexuality, and I don't think it's fair to project what your interpretation (or Rosie's) of that "honey" is onto Kelly and then hold Kelly accountable for that projection. If you're going to side with that interpretation or speak out on your daytime talk show because you feel it's that signifcant an issue, fine, but you then have to take responsibility for being the one to turn the molehill into mountain. You're the one making it an issue.

Rosie is the one who directly drew attention to Clay's "questionable sexuality." That's why she's to "blame."
TheOtherFSU
No, it was Kelly who made it an issue. Sorry.

The incident occurred last Friday. It was basically over and done with when Kelly scolded Clay and said, "That's a no-no. I don't know where those hands have been, honey!"

No one even mentioned the whole thing all weekend. It wasn't until Kelly made an issue of it on Monday's episode of Live With Regis And Kelly. That morning, she told Regis how much she missed him because Clay had really bugged her and was rude to her and put his hand over her mouth. Even Regis defended Clay on Monday saying he was probably just nervous since he'd never co-hosted the show before, and Regis said the whole thing was understandable in his opinion.

Kelly had her say Friday when Clay was there when she told him off. She added to the problem on Monday when she decided to bring it up again. And like I wrote earlier, this wasn't an issue at all during the weekend ... no one even knew about it or talked about... and there was no controversy at all until Kelly tried to resurrect it on Monday.

As for calling someone a "f**king f****t," (which Kelly didn't do), why wasn't everyone outraged when Isaiah Washington actually did call T.R. Knight a "f**king f****t" during his highly-publicized fight on the set of Grey's Anatomy, which prompted Knight to issue a press release days later admitting he was gay. He was someone who was truly outed. Why did the world not implode around Isaiah Washington?

Well, Washington, on Oprah this week, issued an embarrassing and self-serving response about it and told Oprah, "It was a combination of fatigue, pride, passion ... I've been working with these beautiful men for three years now and we had an argument as brothers. I lost my cool ... It was coming out of a place of trying to stay focused about the work and the one thing I understand about myself and my passion about everything I do is that the opposite of love is indifference. Out of that caring, we got ourselves into a debate that had to happen."

Where's the outrage there?
Gaga4Gaby
Well, I only heard about Kelly here on this board ... and I heard about Isiah elsewhere. There was outrage here on this board, certainly. And I don't buy Washington's phony story on Oprah any more than I buy Kelly's.

But Rosie made sexuality an issue, not Kelly. Period. You can say the "honey" meant whatever you think it meant, but concretely, Kelly never said boo about Clay being gay. Rosie did.
TheOtherFSU
QUOTE(Gaga4Gaby @ Nov 22 2006, 07:11 PM) *

Well, I only heard about Kelly here on this board ... and I heard about Isiah elsewhere. There was outrage here on this board, certainly.


Is this the type of outrage you're talking about?

http://www.outsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36479

Doesn't seem to be much outrage at all there to me. In fact, you wrote the following in that thread:
"And IF "Dr. Burke" did call him a f****t, that's pretty funny if you ask me, because I think he's much more effeminate than T.R. Knight." So not only did you think it was funny then, but you equated homosexuality with being effeminate. Hmm.
WhatWouldChrissieDo
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 22 2006, 06:52 PM) *

No, it was Kelly who made it an issue. Sorry.


Of course it was.

Clay is sexually ambiguous. No secret. Maybe he's straight, maybe he's gay. We don't know.

Kelly was the one who assumed he was gay and made a derogatory gay remark. No, it wasn't "f****t". But interpreting it as only about germs or catching a cold is really naive. There was most definitely an implicit "Clay is gay therefore Clay is dirty" undertone.

Rosie, interpreting it the way she heard it, should be allowed to point it out and hold Kelly responsible. Clay's actual sexual orientation is beside the point; Rosie was not interested in that.

It's just these kind of below the radar comments that continually feed real homophobia and I applaud Rosie for exposing it.
TheOtherFSU
QUOTE(WhatWouldChrissieDo @ Nov 22 2006, 07:47 PM) *

Of course it was.

Clay is sexually ambiguous. No secret. Maybe he's straight, maybe he's gay. We don't know.

Kelly was the one who assumed he was gay and made a derogatory gay remark. No, it wasn't "f****t". But interpreting it as only about germs or catching a cold is really naive. There was most definitely an implicit "Clay is gay therefore Clay is dirty" undertone.

Rosie, interpreting it the way she heard it, should be allowed to point it out and hold Kelly responsible. Clay's actual sexual orientation is beside the point; Rosie was not interested in that.

It's just these kind of below the radar comments that continually feed real homophobia and I applaud Rosie for exposing it.


You hit the nail on the head. I think you also were 100% correct earlier when you said, "The homophobia on this particular board disappoints me." I notice that a lot and was even talking to a former professor of mine about it like a month ago. The man is brilliant (and gay). He gave some great insight and one of his beliefs is that gay men who are sports-identified like to believe they've somehow "made it" and beaten or advanced beyond the gay stereotype. It was an interesting conversation and kind of opened my eyes to a lot of things that I see on this board.
bear321
We DVR The View every day since Rosie came on the show. We love it. We had never watched it before Rosie showed up. I have to admit we watch it just to see everyone spinning out of control and the drama the show has since bringing Rosie on board. Barbara Walters must be laughing all the way to the bank on her decision to bring Rosie on the show.

I had seen the Kelly and Clay clip on YouTube yesterday morning before watching the View last night. My first reaction to her saying "I don't know where that hands been" was exactly how Rosie said it. I really thought she said that because she would ASSUME Clay was gay and that his gay hand has now touched her mouth and contaminated her. I swear to you that is exactly what I thought. When I heard Rosie say what I had thought I immediately said to my partner, "Oh my god, she just outed Clay" by saying she thought Kelly's remark was homophobic. It can't be a homophobic remark if Clay isn't gay.

I love The View with Rosie. They are getting exactly what they want.... FREE PRESS with this little spat that is going on. Just look at us here. We have gone to the second page of this topic just talking about Rosie & Kelly & Clay. Can we BE any more lame. LOL laugh.gif rolleyes.gif
mdterp01
QUOTE(Gaga4Gaby @ Nov 22 2006, 02:11 PM) *

Well, I only heard about Kelly here on this board ... and I heard about Isiah elsewhere. There was outrage here on this board, certainly. And I don't buy Washington's phony story on Oprah any more than I buy Kelly's.

But Rosie made sexuality an issue, not Kelly. Period. You can say the "honey" meant whatever you think it meant, but concretely, Kelly never said boo about Clay being gay. Rosie did.


Yeah there was outrage on this board regarding the Isaiah incident. Personally, I think he needs anger management or somethin cuz that wasn't his first outburst on the set of a show. But, KEEPING WITH THE TOPIC AT HAND...Rosie DID make it a sexuality thing. Kelly said nothing about sexual orientation and had Rosie not brought it up as a homophobic comment, even I wouldn't have thought of it as a homophobic comment. Cuz to me its...get your nasty hands off my face. I don't know you like that, I don't know where your hands have been, etc. And while germs are everywhere, I attribute my extra washing of hands and use of antibacterial to the fact that I've never had the flu and haven't had a cold in years. So while we have an immune system designed to protect us when we get sick, if you choose not to take extra precautions and don't mind getting sick then more power to YOU!! I can't stand being sick and therefore I take the extra steps to prevent it as much as I can without going overboard. Too much use of the antibacterial stuff makes the bacteria resistant over time.

ANYWHO...this is something that obviously many people will just have to agree to disagree on. Thats the beauty of life. We all don't have to agree on things. But, IMO, Rosie made it into a sexual orientation issue, not KELLY!! Women have made comments to me before, not knowing my sexual orientation, and have used "honey". Did I think they were implying I was gay? No. I also agree with the poster who said that its live tv, its not scripted and that was the first thing that came to Kelly's mind. Meredith Viera was part of the reporting on this on the Today Show this morning and she was shaking her head and looked like "thank god I'm off that mess" She also added "I used to be on that show and I don't think Kelly is homophobic at all"
TheOtherFSU
QUOTE(gadbearr @ Nov 22 2006, 08:41 PM) *

We DVR The View every day since Rosie came on the show. We love it. We had never watched it before Rosie showed up. I have to admit we watch it just to see everyone spinning out of control and the drama the show has since bringing Rosie on board. Barbara Walters must be laughing all the way to the bank on her decision to bring Rosie on the show.

I had seen the Kelly and Clay clip on YouTube yesterday morning before watching the View last night. My first reaction to her saying "I don't know where that hands been" was exactly how Rosie said it. I really thought she said that because she would ASSUME Clay was gay and that his gay hand has now touched her mouth and contaminated her. I swear to you that is exactly what I thought. When I heard Rosie say what I had thought I immediately said to my partner, "Oh my god, she just outed Clay" by saying she thought Kelly's remark was homophobic. It can't be a homophobic remark if Clay isn't gay.

I love The View with Rosie. They are getting exactly what they want.... FREE PRESS with this little spat that is going on. Just look at us here. We have gone to the second page of this topic just talking about Rosie & Kelly & Clay. Can we BE any more lame. LOL laugh.gif rolleyes.gif


Gadbearr, you make some good points.

And just in case people don't know it, guess who Kelly dressed up as for Halloween last year? You guessed it... Clay! And while Kelly was dressed as Clay, she made a point of kissing and pawing Regis, who was dressed as Bo Bice. What point exactly was she trying to make there by showing Clay kissing Bo? It's pretty clear that she was referring to Clay's sexuality. She felt free to do it when he wasn't there and when she was in costume portraying him.
JR in TX
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 22 2006, 07:54 PM) *

You hit the nail on the head. I think you also were 100% correct earlier when you said, "The homophobia on this particular board disappoints me." I notice that a lot and was even talking to a former professor of mine about it like a month ago. The man is brilliant (and gay). He gave some great insight and one of his beliefs is that gay men who are sports-identified like to believe they've somehow "made it" and beaten or advanced beyond the gay stereotype. It was an interesting conversation and kind of opened my eyes to a lot of things that I see on this board.


.....

Hang on. I see the point you and you professor are making. However, I really hope you only mean to refer to the few here that may fit the bill, and not everyone on this board that considers themselves "sports-identified," not that i do myself. Otherwise, that's quite possibly one of the most offensive posts i've ever seen on this board.

I don't believe Ripa's comments were homophobic. Therefore, i'm internally homophobic myself? Forget the Kelly/Clay/Rosie crap, and please explain where you're going with this.

On a lighter note, who knew this incident would be such a Rorschach test?
TheOtherFSU
I'm offended that you're offended that I'm offended you're offended blah blah blah. You may want to read the entire thread.

Get a grip.
JR in TX
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 23 2006, 01:55 AM) *

I'm offended that you're offended that I'm offended you're offended blah blah blah. You may want to read the entire thread.


Uh, i did.

QUOTE


Get a grip.


How funny. I could say the same thing, and i think i will.
SelesFan91
And just as quickly as it began, it seems to be over. Barbara Walters says, "all is well with the world." And I guess Barbara would know. Apparently Kelly and Rosie have talked and reconciled.

I just think it's odd that people on here are saying that Rosie didn't bring Clay's sexuality into question, when she said, point blank, "if that were a straight man..." when she was referring to him. Could it be any clearer that she's implying (not that the rest of America isn't) that he's gay?

I also don't think it's right that people are judging other people's level of "gayness" or homophobia by whether or not they were offended by Kelly's actions. People see things in different lights and if something offends one person it's not necessarily going to bother someone else. Rosie saw it as homophobic and rude, that's fine...it's her perspective; other people didn't look at it the same way. When it comes right down to it, the only person whose feelings on the situation really matter, is Clay. And whether or not he was upset by what she did, or by what Rosie said, we won't know until he says something (if he ever does).
J eddie
QUOTE(SelesFan91 @ Nov 22 2006, 09:30 PM) *

When it comes right down to it, the only person whose feelings on the situation really matter, is Clay. And whether or not he was upset by what she did, or by what Rosie said, we won't know until he says something (if he ever does).


Maybe his lawyers will speak for him. ohmy.gif
SFJohn
To me, Kelly Ripa's comment was a thinly veiled homophobic remark. I don't think it was intentional but it was something she just blurted out at the moment and that is sometimes a person's real way of thought. And Rosie O'Donnel said before that she'd talked to Clay Aiken about it so their either friends or at the least acquaintences.
Joe in Philly
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 22 2006, 02:54 PM) *

You hit the nail on the head. I think you also were 100% correct earlier when you said, "The homophobia on this particular board disappoints me." I notice that a lot and was even talking to a former professor of mine about it like a month ago. The man is brilliant (and gay). He gave some great insight and one of his beliefs is that gay men who are sports-identified like to believe they've somehow "made it" and beaten or advanced beyond the gay stereotype.


Sounds like something that would come out of the mouth of someone who doesn't like sports and can't understand why some gay people DO like sports.

I'd put my hand over his mouth to shut him up, but I don't know where that mouth has been, honey.
JR in TX
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Nov 23 2006, 04:29 AM) *

Sounds like something that would come out of the mouth of someone who doesn't like sports and can't understand why some gay people DO like sports.

I'd put my hand over his mouth to shut him up, but I don't know where that mouth has been, honey.


And that one, Gentlemen, has made all this worthwhile! Thank you, good night! Please tip your waitress on your way out!
UCLAfan
Joe, you completely left out Kelly's hand gesture. tongue.gif
TheOtherFSU
And here is the best YouTube compilation yet, revealing Kelly's treatment of Clay on the show, and Kelly's past incidents.

YouTube: Kelly & Clay

Apparently Kelly was "outed" by Entertainment Tonight and Extra tonight when they uncovered footage of Kelly doing the same things that she supposedly hated. And then they had the footage of Kelly kissing guest host Wilmer Valderrama on the lips when he guest hosted recently.
UCLAfan
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 22 2006, 10:18 PM) *

And here is the best YouTube compilation yet, revealing Kelly's treatment of Clay on the show, and Kelly's past incidents.

YouTube: Kelly & Clay

Apparently Kelly was "outed" by Entertainment Tonight and Extra tonight when they uncovered footage of Kelly doing the same things that she supposedly hated. And then they had the footage of Kelly kissing guest host Wilmer Valderrama on the lips when he guest hosted recently.


So Kelly blasts Clay for doing exactly what she has been doing. For those who have defended Kelly, I will gladly await the apology for your mistaken conclusions. dry.gif

To Kelly, you have been busted. Give it up! Your comment was out of homophobia. Be honest now. Otherwise, your actions demonstrate the following phrase that I borrow from fellow poster, MIB: Oh, the hypocrisy! rolleyes.gif
playerten73
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Nov 22 2006, 06:52 PM) *

No, it was Kelly who made it an issue. Sorry.

The incident occurred last Friday. It was basically over and done with when Kelly scolded Clay and said, "That's a no-no. I don't know where those hands have been, honey!"

No one even mentioned the whole thing all weekend. It wasn't until Kelly made an issue of it on Monday's episode of Live With Regis And Kelly. That morning, she told Regis how much she missed him because Clay had really bugged her and was rude to her and put his hand over her mouth. Even Regis defended Clay on Monday saying he was probably just nervous since he'd never co-hosted the show before, and Regis said the whole thing was understandable in his opinion.

Kelly had her say Friday when Clay was there when she told him off. She added to the problem on Monday when she decided to bring it up again. And like I wrote earlier, this wasn't an issue at all during the weekend ... no one even knew about it or talked about... and there was no controversy at all until Kelly tried to resurrect it on Monday.

As for calling someone a "f**king f****t," (which Kelly didn't do), why wasn't everyone outraged when Isaiah Washington actually did call T.R. Knight a "f**king f****t" during his highly-publicized fight on the set of Grey's Anatomy, which prompted Knight to issue a press release days later admitting he was gay. He was someone who was truly outed. Why did the world not implode around Isaiah Washington?

Well, Washington, on Oprah this week, issued an embarrassing and self-serving response about it and told Oprah, "It was a combination of fatigue, pride, passion ... I've been working with these beautiful men for three years now and we had an argument as brothers. I lost my cool ... It was coming out of a place of trying to stay focused about the work and the one thing I understand about myself and my passion about everything I do is that the opposite of love is indifference. Out of that caring, we got ourselves into a debate that had to happen."

Where's the outrage there?
mdterp01
QUOTE(UCLAfan @ Nov 23 2006, 10:14 AM) *

So Kelly blasts Clay for doing exactly what she has been doing. For those who have defended Kelly, I will gladly await the apology for your mistaken conclusions. dry.gif

To Kelly, you have been busted. Give it up! Your comment was out of homophobia. Be honest now. Otherwise, your actions demonstrate the following phrase that I borrow from fellow poster, MIB: Oh, the hypocrisy! rolleyes.gif


Well if you're awaiting an apology you'll be waiting forever from me because Kelly doing it to Regis is different because they work together on a regular basis and I'm sure have a good idea of each other's habits. Clay was a guest host and that changes things. However, if I was Regis I still wouldn't want Kelly's hands covering my face. But just because the media dug up tapes on Kelly doing the same thing to Regis doesn't mean shyt. Nice try though. Now if Kelly did it to another guest host or allowed another guest host to put their hands over her face and she said nothing about it...thats quite different. But her doing it to Regis doesn't amount to hypocrisy.
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