Full Version: It's Civil War in Iraq
This is good news to see that some are finally admitting the truth about the Iraqi conflict. It has turned into a civil war, something that we cannot control any more than we can control the eruption of volcanoes. I'm admittedly relieved that the truth about the violence in Iraq is being labeled for what it is, a civil war. Please don't read this as joy or satisfaction, as no one could or should be happy that other people in the world are dying for what our Imperious President created.
Yes, some do see it this way, and some, including our idiot in Chief, are still in deep denial about what is going on there. If you don't believe me read Woodwards book.
Maybe the stunning defeat the Rethugs suffered on November 7th had something to do with it. Gee, they lost the House and the Senate, ya think folks aren't happy? Good thing they figured something out. The blood of that nation is now on our hands. Thousands and thousands of innocent people have died, and I am sure thousands more will die before this is all over. There is nothing to be happy about. This idiot president has gotten this great nation involved in a never-ending war. Thanks for all the death and debt, Mr. Bush. By the way, when does the impeachment process begin?
Even Colin Powell's calling it a "civil war" these days. Bush still clings to his fantasy that Al Qaeda is behind all the horror over in Iraq, even though Shi'ite militias under Moqtada al-Sadr are committing mass executions and torture on a regular basis, but Sadr's puppets also walked out of the government because Maliki was going to meet with Bush, and what did Maliki do? HE DISSED W by canceling their long ballyhooed meeting tonight. Is this what it's come to? Iraq's ineffective and ineffectual prime minister, who's being controlled by a nutso cleric and the Iranians, dissing the President of the United States?
It's really too bad we saw so much of this horrible mess coming back in late 2002 and 2003, which is to say nearly 3,000 American soldiers' lives and perhaps over 100,000 Iraqis' lives ago....
It's really too bad we saw so much of this horrible mess coming back in late 2002 and 2003, which is to say nearly 3,000 American soldiers' lives and perhaps over 100,000 Iraqis' lives ago....
Bush is an idiot. Pure and simple, like really, really simple. You should have heard the press conference that aired overnight. Bush proved it once and for all, he is a genuine idiot. When, oh when, do the impeachment process begin? Must we wait until January?
I know. Let's call it a tea party. The British will stay for sure and all of their ex-subjects might join in too - and that would include us. 
QUOTE(sportinlife @ Nov 30 2006, 12:21 PM) 
I know. Let's call it a tea party. The British will stay for sure and all of their ex-subjects might join in too - and that would include us.
Say what? Aren't the British trying to get the hell out of there, unlike W?
Oh, and wasn't it hilarious that some W admin official publicly admitted just the other day that they never listened to Tony Blair? How much more public humiliation is that man going to take from the US? What on earth is his problem? It would be tragic if Blair weren't such a lapdog, but he's basically tarnished what would have been a fairly impressive prime ministership because of his hang-dog, slavish support of Worst President Ever.
Meanwhile, Maliki is facing an expanding revolt in his government. HECK OF A JOB, BUSHIE!
Damn straight the Brits are about to pack it in. You didn't notice my sarcastic wink?
I think their biggest concern now is the possibility that the other Superpower (who everyone seems to assume is no longer a credible superpower) may have condoned the murder of a British citizen on British territory. A thought so heinous that Tony Blair has started sucking up to the British military-industrial complex with talk of facilitating the planned refurbishing of Great Britains nuclear deterrent - to the tune of billions of pounds.
The last thing Britain is worried about under the circumstances is destruction by Arab terrorists or a nuclear attack from Iran or North Korea.
A diplomatic confrontation with Russia while their good buddy the USA is fiddling in Iraq?
Now that gets their knickers in a twist.
I think their biggest concern now is the possibility that the other Superpower (who everyone seems to assume is no longer a credible superpower) may have condoned the murder of a British citizen on British territory. A thought so heinous that Tony Blair has started sucking up to the British military-industrial complex with talk of facilitating the planned refurbishing of Great Britains nuclear deterrent - to the tune of billions of pounds.
The last thing Britain is worried about under the circumstances is destruction by Arab terrorists or a nuclear attack from Iran or North Korea.
A diplomatic confrontation with Russia while their good buddy the USA is fiddling in Iraq?
Now that gets their knickers in a twist.
Bush admits that he is not winning in Iraq. It's about time! Now after an admission like that, one would logically think that the exit strategy would be revealed.
Lo and behold, instead, what do we, the American people, get? Instead, we are treated to the drivel that we must have more troops in Iraq. Logic is obviously not the strongest suit for this regime and never has been.
I'm beginning to lean on the lyrics of the great teen enchantress JoJo, with her lyrics:
It's just too little too late
a little too wrong
And I can't wait!
Lo and behold, instead, what do we, the American people, get? Instead, we are treated to the drivel that we must have more troops in Iraq. Logic is obviously not the strongest suit for this regime and never has been.
I'm beginning to lean on the lyrics of the great teen enchantress JoJo, with her lyrics:
It's just too little too late
a little too wrong
And I can't wait!
Nice comment from the flip-flopper-in-Chief!! Its amazing how things have changed since the election, huh???? 
When did Bush open a waffle shop?
This morning while watching World News Now, they were talking about some IDIOT from the Pentagon who origianlly estimated the total caost of war with Iraq would be $50 BILLION dollars..This son of a ***ch needs to be strung up, and given 50 lashes.J ust today I hear the Pentagon is asking for yet another $90 Billion dollars. When will it end???!!! 
Oh, and Shrub yesterday telling people to "just go shopping"...say what?????? Yeah, I guess thats how to deal with this quagmire you have gotten us into, huh. Just...go...shopping!
Oh, and Shrub yesterday telling people to "just go shopping"...say what?????? Yeah, I guess thats how to deal with this quagmire you have gotten us into, huh. Just...go...shopping!
QUOTE(millerbeach @ Dec 20 2006, 09:29 PM)
When did Bush open a waffle shop?
I just heard on the news on KFI this morning that Bush has flip-flopped yet again by saying that he isn't losing or winning in Iraq and that victory remains to be seen. Hasn't "Mission Accomplished" already been used? If the mission has already been accomplished, the what the hell are we still doing there, Mr. Imperious President?
The Imperial Bush Waffle House is now open, serving neocons in denial 24/7.
Oh goodie, I'll ring up Biff and Buff and we'll all be right down. Maybe we can spit on some homeless people on our way over. This is getting freakin' ridiculous. Bush is worried about us losing this war? It's done been lost with an idiot like him and the helm. Say goodnight, Georgie, it's over.
I just had this epiphany of an analogy with our Imperious President. He is the modern-day Ahab, seeking his white whale in the form of Iraq. In the end, it will destroy him; it has already started to. Ahab did not know when to quit, as W does not know when to quit. Oh, good Lord, when will someone enlighten President Ahab to his futile chase?
Unfortunately a new sad milestone of this endless quagmire has occurred. There have now been more US forces killed in Iraq than there were deaths from 9/11, with still no end in sight. Meanwhile Shrub is taking his ( sweet ass time), and going back to Crawford Texas, and won't announce any new strategy, yeah right, until or around the end of January. Pathetic!
Yes, this is a most disturbing fact. More Americans have now died in Iraq than have died in the 9/11 horror. Oh, dear Lord, our Imperious President is the modern-day Captain Ahab!
And now Gerald Ford speaks from the grave via Bob Woodard to add his voice to the litany of protests against the justification for our invasion of Iraq.
This is starting to seem a bit like a tale out of Dickens, except in that fiction the good ended well and the bad badly. This being real life the end is still in question.
This is starting to seem a bit like a tale out of Dickens, except in that fiction the good ended well and the bad badly. This being real life the end is still in question.
God bless Gerald Ford, as his own comments are now helping to bring light to his fellow Americans on just how wrong the Imperious President's war on Iraq is/was. Bob Woodward remainted true to his word to President Ford, as he waited until after his death over two years after the interview was made. We are learning that the house of cards on the Iraq war is falling. Can we afford to avoid the omens and signs all around us?
Edited to add this:
It is times like these that I am reminded of a great quote from "Babylon 5", written by J. Michael Straczynski:
There is a greater darkness than the one we fight;
It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way.
The war we fight is not against powers or principalities;
It is against chaos and despair.
Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams;
Against this peril, we can never surrender.
Edited to add this:
It is times like these that I am reminded of a great quote from "Babylon 5", written by J. Michael Straczynski:
There is a greater darkness than the one we fight;
It is the darkness of the soul that has lost its way.
The war we fight is not against powers or principalities;
It is against chaos and despair.
Greater than the death of flesh is the death of hope, the death of dreams;
Against this peril, we can never surrender.
Yeah, and his comments about Cheney were sure less than flattering. Something happened to him when he became Vice President according to Ford. He became very "pugnacious." Interesting. Bullheaded is more like it.
Worse than that, hockeyTom. I think the phrase everyone is searching for to describe Cheney upon becoming VP is "infallibly self-righteous".
It's been four long and debatable years since the start of the war in Iraq. We have been through much and suffered greatly, as we watch our troops' lives sacrificed at the altar of "freedom".
Yet, we are still no closer to a solution to ending this madness, and we are told by our Imperious Leader that we must sacrifice more of our troops' lives to continue the insanity. How pathetic.
Our only hope to ending this political tornado lies with the Democrat congress that seems to be in no rush to confront W on his failed Iraq policies. All they seem to do is say that the President is harming our nation and not acting on their words.
Yes, today is a sad day to remember. We have lost much and gained very precious little, including the execution of Saddam Hussein.
However, are we safer or at greater risk of a terrorist threat? That is the question that worries me because the answer tends to lend credence to the latter.
Yet, we are still no closer to a solution to ending this madness, and we are told by our Imperious Leader that we must sacrifice more of our troops' lives to continue the insanity. How pathetic.
Our only hope to ending this political tornado lies with the Democrat congress that seems to be in no rush to confront W on his failed Iraq policies. All they seem to do is say that the President is harming our nation and not acting on their words.
Yes, today is a sad day to remember. We have lost much and gained very precious little, including the execution of Saddam Hussein.
However, are we safer or at greater risk of a terrorist threat? That is the question that worries me because the answer tends to lend credence to the latter.
QUOTE(millerbeach @ Nov 28 2006, 05:03 AM)
Maybe the stunning defeat the Rethugs suffered on November 7th had something to do with it. ...
Stunning defeat? You have to be kidding; the real rate of turnover was less than in any midterm election in the last 100 years.
Clinton lost a hell of a lot more seats during the same period in his tenure.
The R's were hanging by a thread despite all the self aggrandizement and promotion.
I was happy to see the turnover, but I would have preferred a much larger, stronger, more convincing mandate.
I believe a bigger change would have had a radically cleansing effect on the party, allowing the moderate R’s to gain a much stronger position, sent the religious conservatives scrambling in disarray, and eventually allowing revitalization.
Since 1980, the GOP has contained what George Will calls "…unresolved tensions between two flavors of conservatism -- Western and Southern…”
A bigger loss might have allowed the (re?)ascendancy of the Western, more libertarian, branch of the party.
The "moderates" who tended to dominate the party in New England, and used to be well represented in all states might have had a chance to recapture the party leadership.
However listen closely to R powerbrokers these days – even though the most recent national opinion polls of voters evaluating 2008 candidates show that two candidates are dominant: Rudy Giuliani and John McCain; and that more conservative R’s like Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Sam Brownback fall far behind –
the powerbrokers will all tell you that they need to revitalize the religious conservatives and capture more core ‘Southern’ members of the party – NOT reach out more to the mainstream ‘voter in the middle’.
A bigger upset would have allowed a better housecleaning and a revitalized, more libertarian party to emerge.
Instead we will have the religious powerbrokers with us for years to come.
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George W. Bush: "The solution to Iraq - an Iraq that can govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself - is more than a military mission. [It's] precisely the reason why I sent more troops into Baghdad."
Huh? It's not a military solution, but you sent the troops anyway. Does this make any sense at all? It boggles the mind of any clearly thinking, rational person.
Huh? It's not a military solution, but you sent the troops anyway. Does this make any sense at all? It boggles the mind of any clearly thinking, rational person.
The White House is looking to appoint a "War Czar" to oversee the running of the war. The individual would report directly to the President and the National Security. Kinda thought that was the job of the Secretary of Defence but guess not. They have apparently offered the job to 3 retired 4 star generals all of whom turned the job down, once citing the influence of the VP. Guess no one wants to be the scape goat for the administrations failure in Iraq.
Woe to Betsy, are these folks for real? A War Czar? Isn't that supposed to be W's job???
So he's finally admitting that he and his deranged Vice President aren't up to the job?
Because if so, then why doesn't they just do us ALL a favor and step down, for the good of the country and the world, and we can have Nancy Pelosi, who seems to know what she's doing, run the country from here on out. She can select Barack Obama as her VP, and he'd have the experience he needs to get elected. Or Edwards, or Richardson, or any of the Democrats running, including Hillary.
They'd have to deal with the right-wing, Christianist, Regent University sleeper cells that W-Rove-Cheney placed throughout the federal bureaucracy, but I'm sure Pelosi's up to the task. She doesn't appear to take crap from anybody.
So he's finally admitting that he and his deranged Vice President aren't up to the job?
Because if so, then why doesn't they just do us ALL a favor and step down, for the good of the country and the world, and we can have Nancy Pelosi, who seems to know what she's doing, run the country from here on out. She can select Barack Obama as her VP, and he'd have the experience he needs to get elected. Or Edwards, or Richardson, or any of the Democrats running, including Hillary.
They'd have to deal with the right-wing, Christianist, Regent University sleeper cells that W-Rove-Cheney placed throughout the federal bureaucracy, but I'm sure Pelosi's up to the task. She doesn't appear to take crap from anybody.
Senate Majority Leader Reid (A.K.A.: "Dirty Harry") is now calling it like it is. He said our Imperious Leader is in a state of denial over the future of the war in Iraq. Quite right! It's about time!
I hope that by the end of this week, the Congress will have forwarded their compromise bill on war funding and with all the strings attached. If W rejects it as he has said he will, it's awful tough for him to say he's for the troops when Congress gave him all the funding he wants and he soundly rejects it.
MSNBC Story
I hope that by the end of this week, the Congress will have forwarded their compromise bill on war funding and with all the strings attached. If W rejects it as he has said he will, it's awful tough for him to say he's for the troops when Congress gave him all the funding he wants and he soundly rejects it.
MSNBC Story
You can't make this sh*t up: today, this came out of W's mouth at yet another (why are we taxpayers forced to fund these freaking things?) Potemkin Village speech he delivered before the Associated General Contractors of America:
I thought "Decider" was ridiculous, but this is just...is he drinking again? Seriously? Or hitting the blow?
THE COMMANDER GUY???
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By the way, in the report it said, it is -- the government may have to put in more troops to be able to get to that position. And that's what we do. We put in more troops to get to a position where we can be in some other place. The question is, who ought to make that decision? The Congress or the commanders? And as you know, my position is clear -- I'm the commander guy."
I thought "Decider" was ridiculous, but this is just...is he drinking again? Seriously? Or hitting the blow?
THE COMMANDER GUY???
Are we finally seeing a reversal of course here by the Bush Regime? Secretary of State Condi Rice has opened up a small dialogue with the Syrians regarding shutting out foreign jihadists entering Iraq.
Could this be a positive sign of things to come? Is our Imperious Leader finally adopting the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton Commission?
I hate to even think this but it could be a step (finally!) in the right direction for our country. I didn't want to comment at first, thinking I might jinx this effort. But there we have it nonetheless.
Could this be a positive sign of things to come? Is our Imperious Leader finally adopting the recommendations of the Baker-Hamilton Commission?
I hate to even think this but it could be a step (finally!) in the right direction for our country. I didn't want to comment at first, thinking I might jinx this effort. But there we have it nonetheless.
One of the reasons President Butthead vetoed the Iraq bill was because of the additional items tacked on to it. Which had nothing to do with the war from what I heard. However, I didn't hear what those 'pork barrel' line items were. Anyone know? And if congress was so serious about the bill, why did they include this other stuff? I don't know whether to be mad at congress, Pres. Butthead or both.
The only reason Bush vetoed the bill was because he didn't get EXACTLY what he wanted. (ie: the Democrats included withdrawl dates) Any implications that it was because of the pork was just a convenient excuse -- most all government spending bills have pork, this one was no different.
GOP leadership sends message it will throw GWB under the bus before e 08 election if progress in Iraq is not acheived.
All Democrats need is to maintain a strong message decisive message while the GOP implodes withuncertainly and strife. They are most likely damaged either. Changing game plans and departing from ssay the course" after being an "affirmation" that's enabled GWB denial especially in the 9th inning in a game which the outcome is already determined would be seen as insulting to many.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
All Democrats need is to maintain a strong message decisive message while the GOP implodes withuncertainly and strife. They are most likely damaged either. Changing game plans and departing from ssay the course" after being an "affirmation" that's enabled GWB denial especially in the 9th inning in a game which the outcome is already determined would be seen as insulting to many.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070506/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq
QUOTE(fantomas @ May 2 2007, 07:35 PM)
You can't make this sh*t up: today, this came out of W's mouth at yet another (why are we taxpayers forced to fund these freaking things?) Potemkin Village speech he delivered before the Associated General Contractors of America:
I thought "Decider" was ridiculous, but this is just...is he drinking again? Seriously? Or hitting the blow?
THE COMMANDER GUY???
probably both
it's almost hard not to feel sorry for him but since he's responsible for the deaths of thousands, I'll make an exception
Bush makes US diplomats an offer they can't refuse, unless, of course, they prefer the unemployment line.
I guess there are some jobs that even Blackwater can't pay enough to fill. Or is it that a diplomat needs a little more skill than a gunslinging mercenary?
I guess there are some jobs that even Blackwater can't pay enough to fill. Or is it that a diplomat needs a little more skill than a gunslinging mercenary?
Now, why wouldn't they want to work there????!!!!!! Pretty telling, ain't it? Sad and pathetic....kind of like our Iraq policy.
Pretty telling, ain't it? Sad and pathetic....kind of like our Iraq policy.
And the reference to the forced assignments during the Vietnam era is even more telling. The "precedent" is clearly not a desirable one.
The more details I read the more ominous this looks.
And with seniorita Rice cracking the wip we're starting to look more and more like a two-bit dictatorship with Condi as the dominatrix enforcing the commandments of the Torturer-in-chief.
The more details I read the more ominous this looks.
And with seniorita Rice cracking the wip we're starting to look more and more like a two-bit dictatorship with Condi as the dominatrix enforcing the commandments of the Torturer-in-chief.
QUOTE(sportinlife @ Oct 27 2007, 07:40 PM)
And the reference to the forced assignments during the Vietnam era is even more telling. The "precedent" is clearly not a desirable one.
The more details I read the more ominous this looks.
And with seniorita Rice cracking the wip we're starting to look more and more like a two-bit dictatorship with Condi as the dominatrix enforcing the commandments of the Torturer-in-chief.
Trust me, the last thing that we need in Baghdad is more State Department, specifically foreign service officer, pinheads. I work with these people daily, and they are nothing if not arrogant, obstructionist bureaucrats more intent on punching their tickets and enhancing their own careers, all the while looking down at those who stand beside (and above) them in uniform, doing work that they and their department is unable to do, in conditions for more difficult than theirs, and without the 90% salary bonuses and the 5 R&R periods per year. (Measure that against a military service member who is here for 12-15 months and has one 15 day R&R.) Every time we turn around to get something done, these ass clowns are on their way out of town again.
I passed the foreign service exam and entrance process a couple of years ago, but ultimately walked away from entering the foreign service academy. I have often wondered if I did the right thing. I have no doubt about it now.
In other Baghdad news...
When I arrived here in April, we were averaging 50-60 attacks against coalition forces daily in Baghdad province.
Yesterday, there were 6.
QUOTE(PennState4Ever @ Oct 28 2007, 05:05 PM)
In other Baghdad news...
When I arrived here in April, we were averaging 50-60 attacks against coalition forces daily in Baghdad province.
Yesterday, there were 6.
And what exactly are you doing over there? You've mentioned your presence there repeatedly. So please fill us in.
Weren't the State Dept. people the ones who had a clue back in 2003, but were ignored completely?
I'm glad the security situation does appear to have improved somewhat, but I also heard today that 10 tribal leaders who were working with the US were kidnapped in broad daylight in Diyala. In formerly peaceful Kurdistan, there are also the ongoing attacks by Turkey's military against the PKK, and this was Reuter's report about just last Wednesday:
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' BAIJI - Insurgents killed a U.S. soldier and wounded five others near the northern Iraqi town of Baiji, 180 km (112 miles), the U.S. military said. . .
TIKRIT - A U.S. soldier was killed and three others wounded when a mine exploded while they were conducting security operations in Salahuddin province, the U.S. military said. . .
BAGHDAD - Iraqi security forces found six bodies across Baghdad on Wednesday, police said. . .
BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb exploded near a police commando patrol, wounding three people, including two policemen, in the Qadissiya district of southwestern Baghdad, police said. . .
BAGHDAD - Iraqi soldiers killed five gunmen and arrested 48 others during the last 24 hours in different parts of Iraq, the Defence Ministry said.
BAGHDAD - Clashes erupted between insurgents and police in the capital Baghdad, leaving two policemen and two insurgents dead and one insurgent wounded on Tuesday, police said.
HIB HIB - Three mortar rounds killed three people and wounded 24 others when they landed on the village of Hib Hib, 8 km (5 miles) northwest of Baquba, police said. . .
DIWANIYA - Iraqi police arrested Sulaiman al-Edami, a member of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's political movement, when they raided his house in a town near Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
MOSUL - Four bodies, including a woman and a girl, were found shot in separate attacks on Tuesday in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. '
TIKRIT - A U.S. soldier was killed and three others wounded when a mine exploded while they were conducting security operations in Salahuddin province, the U.S. military said. . .
BAGHDAD - Iraqi security forces found six bodies across Baghdad on Wednesday, police said. . .
BAGHDAD - A roadside bomb exploded near a police commando patrol, wounding three people, including two policemen, in the Qadissiya district of southwestern Baghdad, police said. . .
BAGHDAD - Iraqi soldiers killed five gunmen and arrested 48 others during the last 24 hours in different parts of Iraq, the Defence Ministry said.
BAGHDAD - Clashes erupted between insurgents and police in the capital Baghdad, leaving two policemen and two insurgents dead and one insurgent wounded on Tuesday, police said.
HIB HIB - Three mortar rounds killed three people and wounded 24 others when they landed on the village of Hib Hib, 8 km (5 miles) northwest of Baquba, police said. . .
DIWANIYA - Iraqi police arrested Sulaiman al-Edami, a member of cleric Moqtada al-Sadr's political movement, when they raided his house in a town near Diwaniya, 180 km (110 miles) south of Baghdad, police said.
MOSUL - Four bodies, including a woman and a girl, were found shot in separate attacks on Tuesday in Mosul, 390 km (240 miles) north of Baghdad, police said. '
Remind me again, has the "coalition" government in Baghdad worked out yet?
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