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UCLAfan
In yet another sign of the Stalin-esque tactics that this attorney general has taken, Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has gone on record as saying that the judiciary is unfit to rule on terror policy and is inferior to the Congress and the President. Wow! blink.gif

I think Germans have been down this road when the Third Reich came to power. Russia has been down this road when Stalin took control. Are we heading down this same road with how this attorney general re-words our constitution or interprets in his own ways on how the judiciary branch of government is inferior? This is truly frightening, especially coming from an unelected attorney general.
millerbeach
Oh now, just tell him to take two Democrats and call me in the morning. Honey, we've got both Houses of Congress. I wouldn't fret too much. I do have to admit, it is disturbing to see all these goons come out of the woodwork of America with this crack-pot of a president in the White House.
Marc
Maybe I should have started another thread for this, but it involves Alberto Gonzales, so I'll put it here. I applaud Senator Patrick Leahy for his sharp criticism of the treatment Canadian Maher Arar received from American authorities, who deported him to Syria where he endured a year of torture. Arar is safely back in Canada now, has been completely exonerated of any 'terrorist' links, received an apology and will likely receive some compensation for his ordeal. Canadian authorities (RCMP and CSIS) are far from blameless in this travesty of justice, but the US still has Arar on its "watch list", has not accepted any responsibility, and has certainly made no apology despite promises by Condoleezza Rice to "look into the matter" months ago. In the TV news report I saw yesterday, Gonzales apparently told Leahy that US authorities "had Syria's assurance" that Mr. Arar would not be tortured. I find it incredibly naive that the US would actually take the word of authorities in Syria, a country where torture is routine and human rights are practically non-existent.

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.h...1b66a29&k=0
UCLAfan
Marc, as evidenced by his stunning words, Alberto Gonzales is a power-hungry, habitual liar. The fact that he lied to Senator Leahy doesn't surprise me in the least.
fenwayguy
Habeas corpus isn't what you think it is, according to the Worst Attorney General EVER.

QUOTE
Alberto Gonzales:
There is no express grant of habeas in the Constitution. There is a prohibition against taking it away.
...

The Constitution doesn’t say, “Every citizen is hereby granted or assured the right to habeas.” It doesn’t say that. It simply says the right of habeas corpus shall not be suspended...
Double-think to make George Orwell proud -- "Two plus two make five." Freaking scary. I mean it.
UCLAfan
QUOTE(fenwayguy @ Jan 19 2007, 11:41 AM) *

Habeas corpus isn't what you think it is, according to the Worst Attorney General EVER.

Double-think to make George Orwell proud -- "Two plus two make five." Freaking scary. I mean it.


Yes, George Orwell's 1984 has finally come true; it simply took 23 years longer to make it into reality. "Goon"zales' loose interpretation of the writ of habeas corpus not being guaranteed in the Constitution is scarier than any horror movie could possibly be. You are correct, fenway, that Orwell could not be prouder of such double-speak.

Now, here's something else to add to the roasting of "Goon"zales. It's a story from USA Today that up to seven U.S. Attorneys have been fired for various reasons, potentially preventing them from being called to testify before Congress on what corruption may or may not have taken place. Yes, we truly are living in the times written by Orwell in 1984.
theodoresdaddy
I'm not in favor of impeaching Bush because it would make him a martyr (think Bill Clinton) but I think there are several members of his administration who need to go and Gonzales currently tops my list
UCLAfan
Alberto Gonzales, the Attorney General, admits mistakes were made in the firings of several U.S. Attorneys, how they were handled, in particular. This man must go. There is no other option left when he has crossed too many lines in the time he has been A.G.

Gonzales said, "I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility." If this is true, how can he live with anything less than a resignation at this point in time?

There were improprieties with these firings from the get-go, as evidence in this story. Yes, Mr. Gonzales is responsible and to do less than resign is an injustice.
swiminbuff
Senator John Sununu has just become the first Republican to officially call for the Attorney General to resign according to CNN. Apparently others have done so privately.
Nat
Gonzales said, "I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility."

One wonders what he thinks the mistakes were? Getting caught? Not firing more?

And one wonders what "accepting responsibility" means in this administration? Doing it better next time (ie: not getting caught)? My guess is that Gonzales is on the fast track for a Freedom Medal...

Nat
millerbeach
Good heavens, this administration has long since run out of eyes to blacken. This is all just so silly. 1-20-09. 1-20-09. Can't get here soon enough.
theodoresdaddy
QUOTE(Nat @ Mar 14 2007, 03:26 PM) *

Gonzales said, "I acknowledge that mistakes were made here. I accept that responsibility."

One wonders what he thinks the mistakes were? Getting caught? Not firing more?

And one wonders what "accepting responsibility" means in this administration? Doing it better next time (ie: not getting caught)? My guess is that Gonzales is on the fast track for a Freedom Medal...

Nat


nah-just freedom fries
Elemental
Yes, Gonzales has got to go!!! He is a disgrace. And under his term the wire taps, and spying on email and other liberty infringements have grown and grown. Is this America or fascist land? ohmy.gif
Lksimcoe
I don't see Gonzales or Rove going anywhere, no matter what comes up.

Basically, it comes down to the fact that they know too much. They
will continue to sacrifice second's in command, and hangers on,
until they are successful in deflecting attention away from this.
UCLAfan
Here's a great story on the background of the whole brouhaha over the firings of the eight U.S. Attorneys. I think it gives great insight into what likely happened here.

Yes, "Goon"zales still has to go!
UCLAfan
Yes, even Newt "I'm a Philandering Hypocrite" Gingrich is now calling for the removal of AG Gonzales. How much longer can and should Gonzales hold out?
millerbeach
Oh, I think we should wait until every member of the GOP is exposed for the hypocrisy that they are. This is actually kind of fun...watching the Bush administration wither away like a tomato rotting in the windowsill. What a befitting ending to one of the worst presidential administration in the history of the United States. Bush is the best thing ever to happen to the Democratic party. Thanks to you, GWB, and your countless failures, the Dems could not have won it without you!
UCLAfan
When even Sen. Tom Coburn, a staunch conservative, calls for Gonzales' resignation, that's the sign from above that perhaps Bush should really consider sending Gonzales on his way. This man has outlived his own usefulness as Attorney General, especially with the scandal of the firings of U.S. Attorneys.
George Twins fan
The moron said "I don't recall" or "I don't remember" or some variation over 70 freakin times during his testimony and yet Bushie still backs him. Ugh! Just waiting to hear "You're doing a heck of a job Gonzo!".
UCLAfan
I thought we did, GTF, when our Imperious Leader (through info-babe Dana Perino) said he has his full and complete support. Isn't that what he said right before he had Rummy fired?
fantomas
Uh oh, it just keeps getting worse and worse for the GOPers (not like we didn't already know how bad they were, but):

Wall Street Journal: Delays in GOP Rep. Renzi Case Raise More Gonzales Questions

QUOTE
WASHINGTON -- As midterm elections approached last November, federal investigators in Arizona faced unexpected obstacles in getting needed Justice Department approvals to advance a corruption investigation of Republican Rep. Rick Renzi, people close to the case said.
[Alberto Gonzales]

The delays, which postponed key approvals in the case until after the election, raise new questions about whether Attorney General Alberto Gonzales or other officials may have weighed political issues in some investigations. The Arizona U.S. attorney then overseeing the case, Paul Charlton, was told he was being fired in December, one of eight federal prosecutors dismissed in the past year. The dismissals have triggered a wave of criticism and calls from Congress for Mr. Gonzales to resign.

Investigators pursuing the Renzi case had been seeking clearance from senior Justice Department officials on search warrants, subpoenas and other legal tools for a year before the election, people close to the case said.
***
People briefed on the case said investigators in Arizona asked Washington for clearance -- among other tools -- for a wiretap of Mr. Renzi's telephones, a highly unusual step against a sitting member of Congress, months before Election Day. The wiretap eventually was approved, and was in place by late October, these people said.

On Oct. 26, just days before the election, two political Web sites carried the first public word of the probe. In subsequent news accounts, an unidentified Washington law-enforcement official described the matter as "preliminary." Few details emerged, but the leak disrupted prosecutors' wiretap.

Meanwhile, Mr. Renzi, first elected to Congress in 2002, was fighting to hold on to his seat. In September, President Bush hosted a fund-raiser in Scottsdale on his behalf. About the same time Mr. Charlton was added to a list of prosecutors "we should now consider pushing out," wrote Mr. Gonzales's then-chief of staff, Kyle Sampson, in a Sept. 13, 2006, email to then-White House counsel Harriet Miers. The email is among thousands that the Justice Department has released in response to congressional inquiries into the dismissal of the U.S. attorneys.

In November, Mr. Renzi won re-election to a third term, beating his challenger by 51% to 44%. A month later, on Dec. 7, Mr. Charlton was told he was being dismissed. Two weeks later, he emailed William Mercer, a senior Justice Department official: "Media now asking if I was asked to resign over leak in Congressman Renzi investigation." He asked for advice, but never got a response, according to the emails released by the Justice Department.
***
Mr. Charlton, a Republican with 16 years as a federal prosecutor, was named by President Bush in 2001 to lead the Phoenix office. Now in private practice in Phoenix, he has refused to discuss any details of the Renzi investigation -- even when asked about it at a March 6 hearing of the House judiciary committee.
UCLAfan
Monica Goodling, the former Justice liaison to the White House, broke down in tears over her account of events leading to the firing of the U.S. Attorneys. Is that a bad sign that perhaps Goon-zales may have crossed the line between justice and politics?
UCLAfan
Could we possibly have a no-confidence vote in our favorite Attorney General? I don't exactly agree with this vote, but not for the reasons one might think.

Alberto Gonzales is the gift that keeps on giving. His incompetence and close ties to the White House are likely to produce scandal after scandal. The best part is that any logical, rational human being would cut ties to such stupidity, just to save one's self. Bush, however, isn't known for being quite so logical. So, now we have Alberto Gonzales, scandal-maker, the gift that keeps on giving. biggrin.gif
jockpop
QUOTE(UCLAfan @ Jun 11 2007, 11:33 AM) *

Could we possibly have a no-confidence vote in our favorite Attorney General? I don't exactly agree with this vote, but not for the reasons one might think.

Alberto Gonzales is the gift that keeps on giving. His incompetence and close ties to the White House are likely to produce scandal after scandal. The best part is that any logical, rational human being would cut ties to such stupidity, just to save one's self. Bush, however, isn't known for being quite so logical. So, now we have Alberto Gonzales, scandal-maker, the gift that keeps on giving. biggrin.gif



Actually, UCLA, I think were I wearing shrub's shoes (gawd what a nasty thought), I'd proabbly keep Al baby just b/c I wouldn't want to have to face the scrutiny that would inevitably occur in a new nomination process, much less the possiblity that someone else (anyone less loyal and less stupid ... and that's pretty much anyone, isn't it?) in that office might unleash a veritable flood of truth -- the kind which having light shed upon would lead to an impeachment or resignation.
swiminbuff
Bush has already said today that the Senators can have all the no confidence votes they want, its his government and he decides who serves in that government.
UCLAfan
Gonzo lied to Congress. He out and out lied!
CycloneMatt
You're kidding!! A member of King Bush's administration lied? No big surprise there. Only shocker is that Congress continues to sit on it's collective ass and do nothing to remove the bastards - hardly even a peep about impeachment or anything that might hasten the exits of the most self-centered, arrogant, deceitful, unethical, dishonorable men to ever have "run" this country (into the ground).
swiminbuff
Just out of curiosity....what would happen if both Bush and Cheney were impeached, not that this would ever happen. Pelosi becomes President right? What about the VP position? Does she get to appoint someone, like happened with Ford, or is there an automatic successor now.
UCLAfan
QUOTE(swiminbuff @ Jul 10 2007, 02:52 PM) *

Just out of curiosity....what would happen if both Bush and Cheney were impeached, not that this would ever happen. Pelosi becomes President right? What about the VP position? Does she get to appoint someone, like happened with Ford, or is there an automatic successor now.


Pelosi would be able to choose her own VP. The unfortunate part is that no one on the Democratic side will have the temerity to choose impeachment. Gonzales is the catalyst for this power play to subvert the Constitution, but without any action, it will go unnoticed and unremarked in history.
SCTrojan
Oh, Ohhhhh, there's trouble in paradise. Now maybe something will be done to Mr. Gonzales. Doesn't look good for him & Bush. Maybe the Demos have cojones after all. rolleyes.gif
George Twins fan
I'd say this whole thing was unbelieveable if it weren't so tragically believeable. It's like a Saturday Night Live spoof only funnier.
SCTrojan
I know what Bush is now saying to Gonzales:

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aquaman
Shove the fudge up? blink.gif
SCTrojan
QUOTE(aquaman @ Jul 26 2007, 07:40 PM) *

Shove the fudge up? blink.gif


FLMAO!!!! IPB Image IPB Image IPB Image
sportinlife
A lot depends on Arlen Specter. If he continues to give the Gonzales supporters cover, the Dems will be farting into the wind.

Remember the great job he did questioning the veracity of Anita Hill and compare that to his questioning of Alberto Gonzales. With Hill he was a biting pit bull, with Gonzales more a barking Doberman.

In case you don't remember who Anita Hill was here's a humorous primer.
UCLAfan
QUOTE(sportinlife @ Jul 28 2007, 11:38 AM) *

Remember the great job he did questioning the veracity of Anita Hill and compare that to his questioning of Alberto Gonzales. With Hill he was a biting pit bull, with Gonzales more a barking Doberman.


I thought Sen. Specter was more akin to a barking Chihuahua, more noise than an actual threat.
hockeyTom
The sinking of the Bush administration continues as its confirmed on MSNBC and CNN this morning, he will finally resign. Will the last person leaving this White House please turn the lights out...
CycloneMatt
I'll bet he's going to "spend more time with his family"... rolleyes.gif
Mahaney
QUOTE(CycloneMatt @ Aug 27 2007, 01:11 PM) *

I'll bet he's going to "spend more time with his family"... rolleyes.gif


How many rats are left on that sinking tub?
hockeyTom
One HUGE one by my count....Dick Cheney. Next!!!! laugh.gif
UCLAfan
And now Gonzales is gone! Happy day! biggrin.gif
George Twins fan
Well that pillar of ethics and morals Michael Chertoff is rumored to be the replacement, so not sure which is worse. Chertoff at least seems to have a brain so his machinations could be even more harmful than anything the pea-brained Gonzalez could conjure up.
CycloneMatt
A quote from AP this morning:

"The rampant politicization of federal law enforcement that occurred under his tenure seriously eroded public confidence in our justice system. The president must now restore credibility to the office of the Attorney General." — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

I find it hard to believe the King will actually appoint someone who isn't a Gonzo clone to the job. Why would he try to 'restore credibility' when he doesn't think there was ever a problem (as evidenced by the next quote...)?

"Al Gonzales is a man of integrity, decency and principle. ...After months of unfair treatment that has created a harmful distraction at the Justice Department, Judge Gonzales decided to resign his position and I accept his decision. It's sad that we live in a time when a talented and honorable person like Alberto Gonzales is impeded from doing important work because his good name was dragged through the mud for political reasons." — President Bush.

Truly sad and baffling... huh.gif
Crew Chief
This just frees up Alberto for a possible Supreme Court appointment should one of those old farts kick the bucket. Remember, Alberto was once on the rumored short list of potential nominees, much to the dismay of the social conservatives and most other right-wingers.
fantomas
QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Aug 27 2007, 10:11 PM) *
Remember, Alberto was once on the rumored short list of potential nominees, much to the dismay of the social conservatives and most other right-wingers.


And independents, moderates, liberals, and anyone else who could be described as semi-sentient and semi-conscious.
Elemental
Its about time that Gonzales left. He was even more corrupt than Meese of the Reagan administration.
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