Anyone -- I mean, anyone, can edit a Wikipedia entry. But still I was only somewhat amused to find this entry about successful African-American homeless man turned playwright (using that term loosely) / screenwriter / film director and part-time female impersonator (he plays Madea), and full-time rich guy Tyler Perry at his Wikipedia page:

"He is now dating New York Jets Wide receiver Laveranues Coles, the two were seen enjoying each others' company in Atlantic City recently."

Speculation has been very heavy, ever since Tyler's recent appearance on Oprah, as well as a follow-up New York Times article a year later, where he openly discussed his newfound friendship and common bond with Coles, reaching out to him after Coles appeared on Oprah to reveal he was molested by his stepdad as a child (Tyler claims he was molested as well, but by older relatives of both sexes).

Tyler Perry's true sexuality is one of THE worst kept secrets in the black gay community up and down the East Coast -- right down to how he was inspired to create the character of Madea. Just type "Tyler Perry" and "gay" in Google and see what pops up. I could care less about him, though (I think he is hideous looking), but Coles is an absolute HOTTIE. Not to sound too shallow, but other than more money and more fame, and maybe a good drag show, I can't imagine what Tyler could possibly offer Coles, who is extremely handsome, built and already a multi-millionaire in his own right. That's why I think that -- even though they both could play for the same team, that they're probably just good friends (and maybe at the most, good judy girlfriends).

Tyler Perry hideous looking? Well, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so I suppose you are entitled to be wrong. He may make an ugly woman, but he is a sexy man. How it can be a secret he's gay when he used to be a regular in gay clubs in Atlanta is beyond me... but then, as I've always said, most straight people only see what they want to see. They start with the assumption that everyone is straight... and don't really look beyond that.



That said, I doubt the two are dating... though I suppose anything's possible. All I have to say is, if it's true, I'm available to make a sandwich...

Tyler Perry is so NOT "sexy", in or out of drag. NO. WAY. Unless you like the way big-boned horse-faced drag queens look out of makeup. (And if that's your thing, then go for it.), Coles is a 9 or a 9.5, while Tyler is a 3 or a 4. And 9's don't date 4's -- ESPECIALLY when it comes to gays. So Tyler and Coles are so NOT dating. Coles could have anyone he wanted. Tyler --- not so much, without paying for it.

And as I said before, his true sexuality is an "open secret". The black gay community in Atlanta has known for years that Tyler stole his Madea character from watching famed drag queen Sophia McIntosh perform at Loretta's every Sunday night. Sophia even acknowledges that Tyler used to watch her perform and that he stole her act -- which Tyler won't admit to doing (because that would mean he admits to going to gay bars).

Well, everyone has different tastes. Coles is sexy, but he is not a 9 or 9.5. At least to me. Tiki Barber would be in that category, not Coles. And Coles could not have anyone he wanted... unless, apparently, he wanted you. But I'm not sure where your venom is coming from... jealous? LOL

Maybe what Tyler can offer him is friendship and someone who understands what he's been through.

You do have the right to your opinion, as twisted as it may be, but I place the Barber Twins and Coles in the same looks category. The Barbers are just a little "prettier" than Coles. I don't know if you are Black yourself (I don't think you are, if I remember correctly, haven't posted here in ages), but I'd say, in the Black community, both the Barbers and Coles would all be considered somewhere in the 9's, whether they had money or not. As for Tyler -- some women would like him -- most likely the delusional church marms -- because of his success, and his "love of Jesus". NOT his looks.

If you really believe that Tyler's motives for reaching out to Coles were purely altruistic (to help out a fellow "molestation victim"), then I have a bridge over the Atchafalaya River to sell you.

Hmmm. Let's recap. Lonely, not-so-attractive closet case with LOTS of money and known for spending it (who built his Alpharetta mansion "for his future unknown wife and kids", as stated in Ebony) sees very handsome, built, snazzily-dressed professional football player on Oprah who is single and admits to being molested by an older man as a child and to having had his sexuality questioned as a result. Said closet case calls Oprah and gets the guys cell phone number. He showers him with gifts. He spends weekends traveling 1,000s of miles to see him play.

Yeah, I can totally see the altruism there.

I said nothing about Tyler's motives... I was merely pointing out why Coles may be interested in spending time with him. And if Coles is not gay or not interested in him or both, then he won't return the attention. I still am more interested in why this seems to bother you so much. If Tyler is such a horse face, and Coles is the hottest thing out there, then nothing will happen.

No argument from me there!

And it doesn't "bother" me. More like, amuses in a trainwrecky way.

The thing that bothers me the most is that someone actually named their child "Laveranues" YUCK!!!

There goes my fantasy, although I'm more in the 1-2 category.


The comment you quoted semms to have been removed, and probably for good reason.

Each to his own in terms of looks, but let's also keep in mind that many people--read MEN--are able to get beyond looks, and in fact if Perry (who is not hideous, though he's not really my type) and Coles (who I think is pretty sexy, but not as attractive as some other football players, like Curtis Martin, the Barbers, Dhani Jones, Tony Gonzalez, or Bernard Berrian, just to name six) are dating, it very well could be based on something deeper than looks, which fade anyway. I say more power to both of them, and I hope it works out.

As for Perry, the Atlanta community may know his T, but millions across the country believe the man's PR folks, who claim he's straight. Wasn't he supposed to be dating Tyra Banks not too long ago?

I wouldn't throw Coles or ANY of the ones you mentioned out of bed. Tyler Perry, however, I'd run out of the bed screaming. You are free to believe that men like Tyler Perry can get very attractive, masculine, wealthy men to fall in love with their inner being (that fantasy sounds like something straight out of a bad "Noah's Arc" episode). However, I've been in the Life since I was 16, and I've NEVER seen it happen. Unless, of course, the troll was paying for the hot man.



That was strictly PR started by his camp, when he was photographed at an event with Tyra. Notice Tyra NEVER addressed the issue. The ones who believe the PR are the delusional church marms in his targeted audience. These are the same folks that will condemn and be judgemental of gays. They delude themselves into believing he is a straight man who just hasn't found the rght woman yet, and that he is a not a drag queen but a man delivering Jesus' message through a female character, because to think otherwise would challenge their religious hatred of gays.

Ok first of all I can't believe anyone is even believing that wikipedia crap since anyone can go in and edit it. Secondly, beauty is in the eye of the beholder people!! I mean for goodness sake...there are people on this board who think Peyton Manning is actually attractive. Personally, I don't think the Barber brothers are all that. So there ya go. I go more for Darren Sharper, Jason Taylor, Tony Gonzalez, Reggie Bush (just to name a few) I see people all the time, gay and straight couples, and wonder "how did those two hook up?" One is absolutely stunning in my eyes and the other is like a hot mess sandwich. But, we date and marry people for different reasons that go beyond looks. Coles is a very attractive man and you could do a lot worse than Tyler Perry.

How do you pronounce "Laveranues?" Does the end sound like anus?

Laverne (like Laverne and Shirley) and long e...and us. You know how my people gotta spell the names differently to make it unique and ethnic.

Lah-VER-nee-us. I actually like his name. And yes, Reggie Bush is phizzine! So is LaDainian Tomlinson! And there are so many others. I don't get other people's picks sometimes--Peyton Manning???--but really, each to his own.

But back to MdTerp's point, actually, there are men who are far less attractive than Tyler Perry (the man is not a troll) who get fairly hot guys. I've seen it. And it SURE in the hell wouldn't be a Noah's Arc storyline, because other than Rodney Chester, there is not a non-buff, non-attractive man on that show. Even Doug Spearman is a buff little thing, and ain't none of them that old! (Whatever Patrik-Ian Polk decides to do, I hope he casts Gregory Kieth, Keith Hamilton Cobb, Merwin Mondesir, and Wilson Cruz in the movie version!)

Now, yes, sometimes there's an age difference or the hotter man has a particular fetish (say, older bears, skinny guys, etc.) and often some cash exchanges hands, but it's not inconceivable that Tyler Perry could pull a man like Laveranues Coles, especially if they've bonded over some common issue. I could see it. That's definitely a versatile couple if you ask me.

As for Tyler Perry, though, I thought Allen Payne was his boyfriend after he came up with that horrible TV minstrel show, "House of Payne." Was there ANY reason to produce crap like that unless you were desperate to find a vehicle for your man? It was one of worst shows ever. If they were dating, I seriously think Allen Payne could do better, whether he's getting any work or not.

Wow. I didn't know Tyler stole Medea. I hope that if they are good friends that they
will find strength in each other since they are both survivors. I think it's hard to
separate good from bad here because dealing with such an emotional issue lines can
get crossed unless you work hard not to let it. I mean if Matt Damon and Robin Williams
had started kissing in "Good Will Hunting" when dude kept saying "It's not your fault"
would anyone have been surprised? In my work as a counselor I've found many times
that people who were molested or have abandonment/parent abuse issues use sexuality
as their only expression of love. To me the greatest gift in this situation is to say that you'll be
there for someone emotionally and that's it. No strings. So maybe Tyler is being there for LC.
Shows like "Homocide" I think show how male-male intimacy is real and not always sexual.

My real question is this and it may sound a little silly, but where did the term "T" start for gossip?

I am using it out here in California and some friends use it in Chicago and now I see Fan putting
it on Outsports so I'm curious if anyone knows where it all began.

Your perceptions are FAR different from those of the Black gay men that I associate with. Because in my circles and in my experience, NONE of the lead characters on "Noah" would be considered "attractive". Especially NOT the queens who play Noah or Alex (Rodney). Doug Spearman is a flaming buttaface who walks around like a stick is up his ass. That guy who plays Ricky is way too girly to be believable as the studly top who gets all the hot boys. That show was just a huge joke, a queen's fantasy, actually the creator's fantasy. In reality, those characters would be four lonely bitter queens.

You're right about one thing though. If money is exchanging hands, an unattractive guy can get a hot guy. I see THAT all the time. (Of course they always want you to beleive it's deeper than that, that there's some emotional connection, but do a little digging, and it always comes to light.)

And thats exactly what it is. Its a perception based on different experiences. Its ridiculous to generalize and claim that Tyler is so fugly that money would have to be changing hands to have something with Coles. Whereas your crew may not find any of the characters on Noah's Arc attractive, some of the BLACK gay men I associate with, have complimented on the attractiveness of Noah and Ricky. I didn't realize that one's "queeny" behavior would make them end up as lonely and bitter. Now I personally am not attracted to feminine acting men at all. I don't like the drag show thing or the flaming, snapping fingers, head bobbing, swishing gay man thing. I don't even have friends who are feminine acting. But thats just me. To each his own. There are plenty of feminine acting gay men I see who have boyfriends and some guys who are into feminine acting guys. I mean its so broad why we fall for people that one can't make such a generalization about something not being possible only going by your experience and the opinions of the social circle you hang with. Get serious.

I'm sorry MD but I think it's more like someone who doesn't spell very well. It looks like it should be pronounced Lah-ver-anews.
Anyway if he and Tyler are a couple,that's great!

Oh, it's not just "my social circle". I have met thousands --- literally -- of Black gay men since I have come into this Life. I'm not going to say it's IMPOSSIBLE for queens to end up romantically with attrractive, masculine men (for I do know and have seen a FEW couples like that, and also know of a few men who are into guys like that). But the fact is: it's HIGHLY UNLIKELY. So yes, in GENERAL (and this IS a generalization, because there are always exceptions to every rule), couplings like that do not happen. It's no different than suggesting that handsome, athletic young men ordinarily go for beautiful, in-shape young women. Sure, there are those that prefer fat girls, or sectegenarians, or but they are the exception, NOT the rule. It's disingenous to suggest otherwise.

And for you to say you don't even have friends who are feminine acting at all? HA! I think you either might be just a tad bit exaggerating, or perhaps your perception of effeminacy could be even more warped than you suggest mine is.

I'm talking feminine that you'd be able to tell from 50 paces that they are gay.

Controversies and news reports often spur people to maliciously alter Wikipedia entries. I remember seeing (during the Summer Olympics) a bio entry for Maurice Greene that said he and fellow sprinter Shawn Crawford were lovers (LOL)! The recent coming out story about John Amaechi also led to his bio being defaced with claims of him being a flaming homosexual, etc.

That having been said, I do think there is something more than a platonic or professional patient/therapist relationship between the two, even if only subconsciously. That, however, is not necessarily a bad thing. Coles clearly hasn’t gotten past his molestation and because of that, has not been able to come to terms with his sexuality. If I’m not mistaken, Roy Simmons, in his autobiography, recounted a similar tale of years of guilt and denial after being molested. The best thing that Perry could do for Coles is to let him know that it’s okay to be gay…

But Perry couldn't POSSIBLY be the one to do that for Coles, since he himself doesn't even want to acknowledge (publicly or even privately) that he is gay.

So this is probably, at best, a case of the blind leading the blind.

Okay, do you know directly that Perry "doesn't even want to acknowledge" that he is gay? Or is that he's unwilling to publicly come out? I'm not defending the man (and Lord knows, whatever it takes to keep him making those ridiculous dramas that star phyne men like Shemar Moore and Idris Elba is all the good), but I mean, do you know hiim or people [b]who know him directly[b]? And I'm not talking about what you've heard on the grapevine. Some Black gay folks are out to those close to them, but won't come out publicly, for fear of losing whatever gigs or opportunities or fan base (though really, Black women get over the gay issue more quickly than some of these folks think), etc. They are out but not publicly out.

I mean, Michael K. Williams won't come out, DESPITE playing a gay brotha on TV, and despite the fact that everyone who's known him for more than a hot minute knows his deal. And he's not the only one.

And yes, I'm sure you've come across "thousands" of Black gay men. I'm a Black gay man and perhaps our paths have crossed, though I doubt it. (If you're older than 30, we very well could have been at a Black Pride at the same time, etc.) You have your huge sample, but I can think of at least FIVE people who consider a number of the folks on "Noah's Arc" quite attractive, no matter HOW femme they are. On more than one blog run by a Black sgl man (I'm thinking of Rod 2.0, Keithboykin.com, and others), brothas have written in extolling the beauty of the people on that show. And they ain't talking only about Gregory Kieth and Jensen Atwood. So maybe your "thousands" don't find the people on that show--which is admitted very poorly written and acted--but there are others who do.

Back to Coles and Perry, I don't know what's up, or if this is yet another rumor on the order of Michael Strahan and Dr. Ian Smith (a very cute couple, if you ask me), but really, I hope they are able to deal with whatever issues they're facing, and if they are dating, I hope it works out. Lord knows, it this world, real love isn't easy to find, and isn't easy to hold onto either.

PREACH ON BROTHA...PREACH ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Having watched both seasons (though not since the second-season finale originally aired), off the top of my head I can't think of any man from that show who's NOT attractive. Some are hotter than others, of course...

Wikipedia is great in a lot of ways, but the fact that just about anyone can edit just about anything on the site is something that really needs to be addressed. There have been too many incidents of personal histories being falsified over the years to give any real credence to this story.

I just got in from the gym and you cats have me laughing so hard, especially you my man with that Laverne and Shirley reference! But I do think I like Laveranues better than LaDainian (Tomlinson) lol.

Yella I think you are suffering from a condition Quincey described in Season Two - effemophobia. LOL.

I think a few of the dudes from the Arc are pretty hot. And most of my straight black female friends who watched the show masturbated while watching it so I don't think they really care about whether or not black actors are gay. I liked the show even though it was poorly written because it addressed issues like HIV/AIDS, homophobia in the black church, and relationships beyond the DL. "Ski Trip" was the first non-porno film that I saw two men of color kiss and it was beautiful. "Noah's Arc" holds the same distinction for me with TV.

I think that black femme dudes do get a lot of play, just like I consider any trannie who doesn't have a man
to be slow on their game because the market is definitely out there. It may be a situation where femme guys have to look to one another for dating, but that's the same way I feel about black guys who moan that nobody ever looks at them in a predominantly white club. I personally don't date femme dudes most of the time, but when I was actively bisexual I didn't date femme chicks either because gender roles are crap to me and vulnerability/strength should be something that everyone can feel good about expressing. I think that we all have good and bad experiences that we can draw from - dating a flamboyant activist (+), having some random dude start singing "So Amazing" to me at the Post Office (-), but I feel like it's hard to say overall who would do who when the lights are off because people make due with what they have. Sure guys in my small hometown in the midwest would want to date guys who look like gay guys in NYC, LA, SF, CHI, or ATL, but given that there isn't the same gym culture or club pressures, people are out of shape and often overweight and they still gets down. At the end of the day I feel like a nut never has a face or mannerisms attached to it that's why people cheat and seemingly unlikely hookups occur.

Um, I know this directly. As in, I have been in his presence when he has made these comments. He's in the same league as his friend and running buddy Donnie McClurklin; they denigrade homosexuals for religious reasons and refuse to acknowledge their own sexuality, but in the same breath cry about how they want boyfriends and come on to every attractive man they know. It's not just "I'm going to keep my sexuality private" (like say, Luther Vandross did). It's a Ted Haggard-like "I'm not gay!" nervous response. And then he runs out and makes millions off a selling a drag show to delusional church marms.



Um, yeah, like THEY are the bastions of masculinity. OK, so you're proving my point, the queens like each other (as they should). It's not the masculine ones all salivating over them, as that show would like us to believe. The show would be a LOT more realistic if the queens dated each other instead of having 4 -- yes, four! -- masculine muscular men CHASING after an "irresistible" dizzy, dingbat transvestite who looks like a reject from an 80's Jermaine Stewart video. Oh yeah, and the Tre character would stick with a loudmouth fat obnoxious mammy-like queen instead of get with a fine intelligent doctor with whom he has more in common.

It's a FANTASY, just as it's some straight slob's fantasy to watch "King of Queens" or "According To Jim" and think that some bumbling, fat, poor blue-collar slob can have a beautiful intelligent shapely together wife.

Not to mention that the show was one long painfully written black gay minstrel show, complete with the Mammy references and the over-the-top stereotypes. UGH!

First of all, that's a made up word by that show and not even a recognized condition.

Secondly, if he -- the show's creator-- REALLY liked femmes so much, then why does he always pair them with really hot MASCULINE men? Why not have two queens together? It's obvious he was projecting his own fantasies onto the screen by placing the kinds of men HE desires (attractive, masculine black men) in prusuit of men like him (fem queens).

And of course the women viewers much prefer it that way, because seeing two masculine gay men together makes them very uncomfortable and upsets their apple cart.

yella...baby...you know it's all love from the jay. it is a made up word but offered by keith hamilton cobb!

true, but that' s like asking gay men in hollywood to refuse to have a casting couch based on being "more ethical than straight men"...okay, i see your point. in terms of contradictions/ethics i have never met tyler
but i do know don and if tyler is in the same boat then i hope he doesn't burn in hell.

i disagree with you on this point in part because most of my black women friends get off on black gay porn as well - enrique cruz's 'aprende' being known in our circles as "the holy grail." when polled they say that they like the way men handle one another and the overall aggressiveness which differs from straight porn.

i think from a writing perspective conflict is always good so having polar opposites be in relationships or attracted to one another is a way to distinguish characters from each other and make it interesting. we've had maddie and dave, sam and diane, whitley and dewayne, etc. now we have noah and wade, let's embrace our supercouple heritage people!

Actually, effemephobia has been a topic of discussion among LGBT and queer theory scholars for years. I remember witness a notable Black sgl scholar "come out" as a "femme man" at a scholarly conference over a decade ago. People applauded him, because he did what so many refuse to do. He also made a point of acknowledging 1) his debt to Black lesbians, like Cheryl Clarke and Audre Lorde, and 2) his debt to femme men, Black, Latino, White and otherwise, who were and remain at the forefront of the fight for equal rights. It ain't the DL thugs who pushed the lawsuit that led to Lawrence v. Texas, so that every in every state and US territory could f*ck in the privacy of her or his home (or any other private space) without being arrested, right?

I mean, you do appear to have a serious issue with effeminate/femme men. So that's fine. My experience has been that most out gay men, whether they realize it, acknowledge it or not, have some effeminate tendencies. Most, but not all. Some men who think of themselves as "butch" are really only the butchest things in their mind. But again, I'm saying most, NOT ALL. To me, an attractive man is an attractive man. I've never gotten hung up on effeminacy, but I know many men do. But if avoiding men with ANY effeminate traits were a criterion, I think many gay men would have to be alone and celibate, neither of which, obviously, is the case....

Speaking of which, Laveranues has sugar in his tank. He's not the only one in the NFL. I mean, do you think TO, with those hissing S's and all his life drama, is 100% straight? Michael Strahan, who basically lisps? Then look at the NBA. Every time Chauncey Billops opens his mouth, a pearl choker falls out. The same is true of Richard Jefferson, of Doug Christie, of any number of other players. The same is true of a good portion of the top Black male track and field athletes. Few of them strike me as much butcher than Carl Lewis, who was closeted for years, and then semi-outed himself on a TV show a few years ago. No MLB players come to mind right off the bat, but I'm sure if I were to think of it, some would be clockable. And I bet you every single one of these men, especially if they're straight, thinks of himself as "masculine." Hell, Carl Lewis had a party for himself last year, was it, with at least one female stripper! (Uh huh.)

Point taken about Tyler Perry. I've never met the man. I assume he doesn't want to surrender his millions (which keep growing) of fans and dollars, and he wouldn't be the first one. Who constitutes Perry's fan base? Deluded Black Christians (and other Christians of other races--because more than Black people flocked to see that minstrel show starring Shemar Moore and Kimberly Elise, both of whom still did their acting best.) Does any straight Black man NOT think the man is gay or bi? I don't know any, but then, I'm not going to extrapolate for all Black people based on my experience.

I also don't buy that viewers prefer seeing two effeminate men together; maybe straight MALE viewers, but as jay says, a number of straight Black women (esp. the ones I know) really like seeing two masculine-acting/performing men together in sex scenes, as in "Aprendé" (or some of those Tiger Tyson or Bobby Blake/Flexx Deon Blake extravaganzas, etc.). I never did understand the Noah character, which seems to hover between extreme effeminacy and transgenderism, but the actor himself is quite a beauty. He just needs to learn how to act. Speaking of which, I must add that nearly every straight and gay Black woman I know had positive things to say about "Brokeback Mountain," which paired two masculine-acting White dudes together, while most of the straight brothas I know refused to see it or admitted to being VERY uncomfortable while watching it. I said to one, what's the big deal? I watch straight people screw all the time on the screen; it doesn't bother me, and some times it's hot (Wesley Snipes and Angela Bassett in "Waiting to Exhale," to give one example), so what is YOUR deal? What are you afraid of? The response, at least in one case, was silence and a changed subject!

First of all, I'm glad to be having an interesting discussion about topics that affect the Black gay community here. This doesn't happen too often!



Sure, the theory of it has been discussed. But this name that Patrik Ian-Polk is labelling it -- "Effemophobia" -- is something HE made up. And it's a false label. On the show, the Quincy character states that it is "the false notion that effeminate gay men are not sexually desirable". Um, that's NOT a "phobia". A correct definition of that word would be "fear or effeminate men".

Secondly, why do you even have to bring up "DL thugs" in this conversation? It's not like the only two kinds of gay men are fem queens like Noah in one corner and DL thugs in the next. The spectrum is FAR wider than that.



In general, I'm NOT sexually or physically attracted to men who I consider femme. Does that mean that I have a "problem" with them or a "phobia" of them? Hmm... I also am not attracted to a LOT of things. Don't like skinny guys, obese guys, guys who look too young, pretentious snobs, not into Caucasians, not attracted to (most) women. A lack of attraction or disinterest in a certain type doesn't mean you have a fear or a hate for that type. It's just you like what you like. But it's really disingenuous to pretend that effeminate men are just SO desired by all these masculine, muscular guys. If I had to do a scientific survey, I'd say that maybe less than 5% of the men in our community prefer more effeminate guys (and that includes the femmes themselves). At the most 10%. One of my best friends -- who is VERY effeminate, nice looking and in a long-term relationship with a masculine man -- just corrected me on this. He'd say in his own experience it is even less than 5%.



Fantomas, maybe you have read some of my posts here over the years. I come from a college (NCAA Div 1) and pro sports family background. So I'm well aware of many of the kinds of athletes you did or did not mention. Carl Lewis -- who I have NEVER found attractive AT ALL -- tried to push up on me at a few parties -- 100% gay parties -- a few years back. He's also one of the psuedonymed characaters in that horrid book by MW Moore based on his real life experiences. Remember that autobiography Carl wrote where he claimed that they gay rumours were started by some jealous girl he rejected? OK, why do you have me spilling all this tea? It doesn't matter, it's so old now, it's stale. Anyway, there are many other track athletes I'd maim my grandma to sleep with -- but Carla was NEVER one of them.



But when he is taking money from "good Christian" Black people wth one hand (especially those who want gays to go away or be silent or just to DIE), and in the other hand, he's jacking his dick off to gay Black men, he NEEDS to be called out for his hypocrisy. I feel that no one should be outed without their permission UNLESS they are supporting those who are doing damage and creating hypocrisy with their religious or political power. Miss Perry is one of them. And I predict a BIG fall for him, unless he pulls an Elton John sometime soon and just comes way out of the closet.



I never said that (Black) viewers "prefer seeing two effeminate men together"; actually I stated that they prefer to NOT see the masculine gay (Black) man with another masculine gay (Black) man, whether it is two fems or one fem with a masculine man. And of course Black women are comfortable with "Brokeback" , it's about two White men. If that would have been two masculine Black gay men, and it would have been something like "Brokeback Boulevard" based in South Central LA, starring say Tyrese and Hill Harper, Black women would have LOST THEIR GODDAMN MINDS.

I just had to comment that yes....Aprende is the holy grail. It is one of the flicks I do not lend to anyone. But great discussion going on fellas. It is nice to be able to talk about something with some cultural relevance to me. I see the points everyone is making but Yella Dawg, I think you are generalizing too much. Oh and I don't know many masculine men who use the word "tea" when describing gossip. But maybe I'm generalizing now. I'm just sayin.

Right, but aren't you the one who claimed you don't have any effeminate friends anyway? So I can only assume from that comment that none of your friends would even use that phrase to begin with. Since they're all so macho and all.

Actually no...none of them do. I agree with fantomas though that most out gay men do have some effeminate qualities. When I was referring to my friends I meant the lispy, snapping of the fingers, honey child type of friends. Hell, I'm not gonna sit up here and act like I don't have some mannerisms that have had some people raising their eyebrows but I'm talking about men who you can spot across the room in the dark and see that they are gay. But its whatever...I don't want to harp on this subject. No need to get defensive. Its all good brotha. I was trying to make a point that there are varying definitions of what is masculine, what is feminine, and there is a broad spectrum of who we are attracted to and why. However, I will agree that the MAJORITY of masculine men would not be attracted to Alex from Noah's Arc. But, as was said before..there's always the exception to the rule.

Oh, yeah, this guy's as straight as an arrow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3bOJWToPOI...ted&search=

You putting Chauncey Billups on blast like that (LOL)! I can co-sign all of your suspects listed above, except Chauncey.



I can immediately think of one MLB player who is suspect: Barry Bonds. I hate to say it, but it is what it is. Be that as it may, I'm rooting for him this season to claim the title of homerun king. Let's just hope that his next ESPN mini-series isn't titled "Countdown to Lockdown" ...



Tyler Perry isn't about to come clean about who he is. Doing so would jeopardize his gay blaxploitation movie/theater empire. I'm just wondering why someone hasn't exposed him yet. He must have more than a few shady queens in his past, especially if he was out and about in the ATL and a regular at the drag shows.

Not being attracted to a certain type is one thing... everyone has different tastes. But at various points throughout this thread, you have made a point of putting down those people that you are not attracted to. I think that is what people are trying to point out to you.