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Allen
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Your friends may be more important than your genes in determining whether you gain weight, according to a "classic" study released today.

The study, which followed a large group of Americans for more than three decades, was the first to demonstrate that obesity—and perhaps other health problems that involve behavior or lifestyle—spreads through social networks.
ITJock
Duh - pretty poorly done study. It's one of those studies that corelates values but doesn't really tell you a hell of a lot of anything behind the statistics.

My immediate reaction? Why don't they think how active you are might just possibly determine who you are socially involved with?

IE - IF you are active and enjoy playing softball with your coworkers maybe you will be more socially active with that group... If you walk to work every day and stop at the same coffee shop - maybe you stand a better chance of socializing with someone from that shop, etc.

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Allen
I totally agree w/ you, ITJock, however some people may not even realize that.

Before this study, I was thinking about all of my friends & their fitness level and ALL OF THEM (gay and straight) are all fit. I really didn't think of it until I sat down and just analyzed them.
UCLAfan
I agree with this study and its results. I haven't noticed it so much in myself. However, I have noticed it in my friends and acquaintances. By what I have seen, it would appear that their family does have a big influence.

Of course, I noticed it in myself when I met the B/f and he got me going on strength training. After that, he has had a profound influence on my physical activity. Therefore, I agree with the influence of friends and lovers on one's own weight.
LarryC
QUOTE(Allen @ Jul 26 2007, 06:26 AM) *

I totally agree w/ you, ITJock, however some people may not even realize that.

Before this study, I was thinking about all of my friends & their fitness level and ALL OF THEM (gay and straight) are all fit. I really didn't think of it until I sat down and just analyzed them.

This is so typical of these types of studies that are palmed off as "science." They are done by people who don't understand cause and effect, and then made worse by media just looking for grabby headlines.

Give up all your fat friends, divorce your fat spouse and abandon your fat children. Real helpful.
Joe in Philly
What about people who don't have friends? tongue.gif
J eddie
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Jul 26 2007, 09:20 PM) *

What about people who don't have friends? tongue.gif


Apparently the researchers didn't know that the "co-dependant" theory has been around for awhile.The ONLY reason I lost weight was because I have severe degenerative arthritis in both hips.The reason I ever had a weight problem is because I love to eat and unfortunately I really love to eat junk food.I have always loved desserts and I'm the guy who would/will give you a dirty look if you give me a very small slice of cake wink.gif I am not going to blame my friends or family for my struggles.Maybe I'll blame the person who invented German-Chocolate cake because it tastes so damn good but otherwise it's all my fault.So if all your friends are fit and AWESOME like Allen's then good for you.My friends come in all shapes and sizes.
Allen
This is science. They have been working on this for over 3 decades!


QUOTE(LarryC @ Jul 26 2007, 07:11 PM) *

This is so typical of these types of studies that are palmed off as "science." They are done by people who don't understand cause and effect, and then made worse by media just looking for grabby headlines.

Give up all your fat friends, divorce your fat spouse and abandon your fat children. Real helpful.


From the Star Tribune

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The study suggests many of those factors have a role but their influence is amplified through social connections.

The study analyzed social and family connections among 12,067 people from Framingham, Mass., who had been closely followed for 32 years, from 1971 until 2003, in the Framingham Heart Study. The study collected data on health, diet, exercise, family ties and, to a limited extent, friendships. Every two to four years, participants had a physical exam.

Researchers looked closely at the influence of gender, smoking, socioeconomic class and geographic distance among participants.

They used body mass index, a ratio of height to weight, to calculate obesity. A BMI of 30 or more is considered obese.

Researchers found that the influence of friends on weight gain exceeded that of siblings and spouses, and was as powerful as the effect of genetics found in other studies.


So, there really is no need to get rid of your family, LarryC. wink.gif
Bryan
Certainly that is one of the more bizarre and useless studies to come out in a while. Eating habits are strongly influenced by our upbringings but binge eating and continued bad habits into adulthood are usually simply about lack of discipline and personal issues. I imagine there's some diet pill company or some pharmaceutical rip off artists behind it - a new pill coming soon geared to stop the bad influence from friends and family.
Allen
So, Bryan, specifically, how is this useless? biggrin.gif


QUOTE(Bryan @ Jul 27 2007, 02:07 PM) *

Certainly that is one of the more bizarre and useless studies to come out in a while. Eating habits are strongly influenced by our upbringings but binge eating and continued bad habits into adulthood are usually simply about lack of discipline and personal issues. I imagine there's some diet pill company or some pharmaceutical rip off artists behind it - a new pill coming soon geared to stop the bad influence from friends and family.
Bryan
Because it makes no sense. It's passive in its attitude. And frankly, I don't believe it. How's that?
Joe in Philly
Some people aren't quite convinced. Can't imagine why. smile.gif

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(These findings) should also have implications for how you choose your friends. You should not be hanging with anybody whose body-mass index is suspect. If your friends are not willing to divide their weight in kilograms by the square of their height in meters and share that data with you, they're not your friends.

Look back over their menu choices. If the ratio of chicken wings to celery stalks is more than 3-1, cut them off. Now!

I don't care if she was the maid of honor at your wedding or if he risked his life rushing into a burning building to pull you to safety. If they're really friends, they'll understand.
SCTrojan
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Jul 26 2007, 06:20 PM) *

What about people who don't have friends? tongue.gif


Yeah! Just like this guy. tongue.gif laugh.gif ...

Just trying to make light of the topic. Cont...

Actually, I have friends of all sizes, shapes, forms, et al. For me this study stinks. Just saying.... wink.gif
Allen
Much better!

QUOTE(Bryan @ Jul 27 2007, 09:05 PM) *

Because it makes no sense. It's passive in its attitude. And frankly, I don't believe it. How's that?
Dan85
Rather than offering their own personal opinion on the merits, or lack thereof, of this study, someone could do a quick look at some off the peer review and find out what's beeing said. Yah know, see what some other experts think. That or continue being armchair experts. Either one.

I'd do it, but I really can't be bothred. That and I fly to St. Catharines in about 12 hours.
Allen
What? People on this site would NEVER be armchair experts. NEVER! tongue.gif laugh.gif


QUOTE(Dan85 @ Aug 3 2007, 09:06 PM) *

Rather than offering their own personal opinion on the merits, or lack thereof, of this study, someone could do a quick look at some off the peer review and find out what's beeing said. Yah know, see what some other experts think. That or continue being armchair experts. Either one.

I'd do it, but I really can't be bothred. That and I fly to St. Catharines in about 12 hours.
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