I have the same feelings......and why I am still supporting Barack..

Me too.

I don't have Hillary fatigue at all. (BTW I'm currently undecided between her and Obama.)

Me too.

I have Decider Guy fatigue. Maybe after 8 years of Hillary Clinton as president I'll be ready to talk about "fatigue" from her.

Interesting that "Bush fatigue" never got mentioned in 2000. One George Bush as president was evidently more than enough for all time, i.e., FOREVER.

It's interesting to me that when the media mention Hilary's ability to attract the Republican's hostility, it's always presented as her 'fault' as if she's to blame. I've yet to hear anyone give me concrete reasons why Hilary Clinton is anything but an excellent candidate for President. Calling her manipulative is like calling a bird too air-savvy - what politician in any country doesn't have to be persuasive and manipulative? What woman in a man's world doesn't manipulate on a daily basis?

People seem to forget that the Republican Right wing treatment of the Clintons during Bill's eight years was despicable. From moment one they wasted millions and millions of tax payer dollars investigating flimsy accusations and meaningless crap. All they were doing was trying to trip up the President of our country, wasting time and energy otherwise better spent on some kind of public service. Unfortunately Bill Clinton helped them out, but as we all know, only a lie about a blowjob brought him down. It's not Hilary Clinton's fault that the Republicans despise her - the reason they despise the Clintons is because they're so talented as politicians and far more substantial than most of the Republican power mongers.

I like Obama but his behavior during the debates and this campaign season tells me he's not ready. I don't like how petty he's gotten and emotionally reactive to Hilary. Hilary's a ball buster, obviously, but that's part of what makes her a viable candidate. She's tough enough and calculated enough to survive and carry on. Politicians have to react to what the people are saying - she chooses the middle road sometimes simply because it makes the most sense - and compromise is the only way anything gets done in our overly complicated system.

We're in such deep shit internationally - Bush is one of the stupidest Presidents of all time. He still seems fully in denial about what a disaster his existence in the White House has been...

And to me, the only person deserving of the negativity that Hilary sometimes attracts is Cheney. His actions have been so duplicitious, so greedy, so dark...Hilary's too tough for many, both women and men, but sometimes I think that's about her gender. Tough women are still an issue for the typical insecure American male. Some women still have a problem with her staying together with her husband after his whole blowjob debacle but these women often seem to forget that it proves that she's fulfilling her marriage committment. In a country where you can get married at the end of rollicking drunken night simply by flying to Vegas and looking for Elvis - and divorced just as easily (except for gay people) - this should actually count for something.

I am "fatigued" with self-identified liberals mistaking the totally unprincipled Clintons for two of their own. Hillary has voted for right-wing corporate pork in the Senate that even her "centrist" hubby vetoed when he was president.

Also, Bill said last week that he opposed the Iraq war "from the beginning," yet one more amazing lie from these two prevaricators. Anyone But Hillary, Dems.

I don't mistake Hillary for a "liberal," or a "progressive." If, however, the choice comes down to Hillary vs. any of the Republicans, I will vote for Hillary without hesitation. We went through this ideological hairsplitting in 2000 and look what it produced. There is no question that Gore was light years away from Bush on every level, even though he started out as a fairly conservative Southern Democrat. Yet many people kept conflating Gore and Bush, when the fact is that even if Gore had governed along the lines of Bill Clinton, he STILL would have been light years more progressive than this WORST. PRESIDENT. EVER.



Yes, Bill flubbed that one. But he's not running for office, his wife is. I don't care whether he was for the Iraq War before he was against it. I'm more concerned with the warmongering of the current candidates. Today we learned that according to the National Intelligence estimates, Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. 2003! Yet we've been subjected to months of hysterical warmongering against Iran, based on the idea that it's racing towards nukes. Well, gee, it looks like the American people--or at least some of us--have been suckered again, because polls in September showed Americans favoring an attack on Iran based on all the hysterical rhetoric.

Hillary voted for that vile Lieberman-Kyl amendment, which enables W to attack Iran, and THAT is more of a concern to me. Does she just have no judgment whatsoever, is she in the pocket of warmongering lobbyists, what the hell is her problem? WHY does she keep getting suckered by this current horrible administration? Jesus Mary and Joseph, I'm no politician or diplomat and I can see right through them, so WHY CAN'T SHE? That's what I worry about, not what her hubby's stand on Iraq or Uzbekistan or anything else was and is.

It's about Hillary and her judgment, which, it still must be said, is better than any of the Republicans, save perhaps Ron Paul.

Suckered? Not the case. As she's now said a dozen times, officially calling Iran a terrorist state is useful. She didn't vote to give permission to attack them - that's yet another hysterical reaction to a calculated move on Hilary's part that will come in handy in the general election. Think ahead, folks, she is.

I really like Obama and wish he and Hilary would run together. I really wish they wouldn't go at each other but our political system seems incapable of doing it gracefully.

Hillary is a liberal. Her lifetime Senate voting record is 78.8 liberal according to the National Journal. Republicans hate her guts. She supports civil unions and universal health care and wants to get rid of the Bush tax cuts. She might not be liberal ENOUGH for some people, but saying that she is some kind of conservative plant is ridiculous.

Not a conservative "plant" (though most climbing vines have more integrity than she does). She simply will say anything, or cast a vote, according to whatever she thinks is politically expedient at the moment. "Not quite as awful as the Republicans" is too depressing a reason to vote for anybody, sorry.

I've got fatigue from almost all of them, especially the front runners. Too many debates, the campaigning started much too early, too many lame, vague answers to specific questions.

The scorecard of the National Journal doesn't interest me, as I know nothing about their methodology. And Rodham's healthcare proposals to date stop well short of universal care.

My Xmas wish for this year...a Dem candidate in the White House, a Dem-controlled House, and a Dem-controlled Senate...and let's start getting some SH!T done!!!

And I'm sorry Bill W, but right now, "anybody but the Republicans" is more than sufficient for me. I mean, after the past 7 years, I'm pretty desperate for some change. I just can't stomach another Republican White House right now.

"Hillary Fatigue"? No. "Bush Fatigue"? GD-MF'ing YES!!!

This explanation doesn't hold water. The Kyl-Lieberman amendment designated Iran's Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization, which would allow the US to attack Iran based on perceived provocations. This was on top of the rhetoric about Iran racing towards nukes we've been hearing nonstop. We just learned that as opposed to what Kyl, Lieberman, the W Mafia and the neocons have been telling us, Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons, nor does it have an active nuke program. Though W & Co tried to fix the facts around this one, they couldn't.

Hillary signed onto a document that in effect would allow the W Mafia to attack Iran. She lent her name to this crap. I don't buy her answer, and it points to the same very poor judgment she showed in 2002. She also recently proposed rehabilitating Colin Powell, who should be kept as far away from any government as is humanly possible. Remember, he showed himself to be a total buffoon with that UN presentation that we debated *on here,* and again, it was clear to some of us that he was trying to sell a pile of pure crap.

I'm not sure what her problem is, but really, if she's going to be the Democratic nominee she'd better get it together when it comes to listening to and being gulled by the likes of dangerous neocons and Rethuglicans.

I cracked up when I saw this headline:

Hillary Attacks Obama's Elementary School Record

Especially when I saw the kid on the tricycle.

I mean, I get her point. And he asked for it, claiming the run for the Dem nominee was more or less thrust upon him, or fell upon him totally unexpected-like; a sack of potatoes from the sky.

But really. These two need to cool it with the borderline personal stuff. It could backfire.

Exactly sportin. Commenting on a report he wrote in kindergarten is beyond ridiculous! And for her to say he began running for President as soon as he became a Senator is the most pot-calling-thekettle-black statement I have ever heard.

I am kind of suffering from Hillary fatigue already. I always favored Obama and never really warmed up to Hillary, even as Obama's star failed to rise as quickly as his early trajectory.

I think Hillary would be incredibly capable, unlike the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. But I'm not so sure I want her style of competence. I don't think she'd yield any of the terrible ground seized by the executive branch under Bush and I can only imagine how poisoned the well of political discourse will be should she win the election. She will not be a uniter.

Obama, on the other hand, while maybe the weaker "fighter" in a national campaign, would make a very inspiring president. And I think he would actually restore a bit of intellectual respect to the office and could actually unite a larger percentage of the population than any other candidate on either side of the aisle.

They are saying her staff is making her make and say these really dumb things now, esp. related to Barack. It may backfire.....

I am torn between Hillary and Obama. Hillary to me would be a business as usual president because I don't think she would do enough to get rid of special interests. I think however that she still would be overall a decent president. Today, the Democrats are nothing but a lesser of two evils choice for me so I'm not gonna be all on her sack like she's the best thing since sliced bread. Then again, considering what we've had to deal with for the past 2 terms, she just might be. I can definitely see people having Hillary fatigue. I think this is more of a Clinton fatigue in general. I mean my goodness...at first I didn't get swayed by those who did not want the Bush/Clinton monopoly on the White House to continue but I see how some people are like "no...sick of yall" Meanwhile, people have their own reasons for voting the way they do. People have their own factors that make a candidate attractive. Hillary's achilles heel is the fact that many don't trust her and she doesn't come off as likable. Like it or not...those are factors that go into some people's decisions. I think Obama's image as a new direction and change president is working toward his favor. In Iowa he's even got the women siding him over Hillary. Oprah will soon hit the political trail in support of him and I think that could be quite powerful. So, I'm torn. Hillary has more experience but should that be enough, especially when I think she would not take a stand against special interest groups.

Who the f writes anything at kindergarten-age?

Huh? Surely it wasn't just Barack and me??

Hillary and Bill's sudden attacks on Obama now that the going is getting tough is fun to watch. I'm so glad he's makin her sweat. You just know she is pissed that she has to share the limelight with him. She was getting a bit cocky when she had the double digit leads so its nice to see her backtrack and be on the defense that Edwards and Obama have closed the gap.