Full Version: Hawaii had no business in the Sugar Bowl
The Sugar Bowl is often my favorite of all the BCS Championship games. It is played on New Year's Day and is a great way to wrap up the day. Unfortunately, I was left with a complete mismatch thanks to the "Hawaii deserves to be there because they were unbeaten" crowd. Georgia destroyed them in every aspect of the game. I wasn't really surprised though. Before the game, something told me that it could be a lopsided affair. Welcome to the big leagues Hawaii, and welcome to how SEC football is played EVERY WEEK!!! That was pathetic!
It's very easy to say they didn't deserve it AFTER the game was played but I don't recall anyone mentioning it BEFORE the game. In fact, all I can find before the game are staunch supporters and one Outsports expert ranking them number 1 at the end of the season.
Hawai'i had every right to be in a BCS bowl game. Any 1-A team that goes undefeated should have that right. If you want to blame the Sugar Bowl nominating comittee go ahead but I guarantee that game had the best ratings of any bowl game so far and ratings are the goal of these committees.
Hawai'i had every right to be in a BCS bowl game. Any 1-A team that goes undefeated should have that right. If you want to blame the Sugar Bowl nominating comittee go ahead but I guarantee that game had the best ratings of any bowl game so far and ratings are the goal of these committees.
Hawaii (a 31-point loser to Georgia) belonged in that game as much as Illinois (a 32-point loser to USC) belonged in the Rose Bowl, as much as Arkansas (a 31-point loser to Missouri) belonged in a New Year's Day game, etc.
No one knows how a team is going to perform in a bowl. There have been a lot of teams that have not played to their potential in bowl games so far. Defending national champ Florida loses to an unranked Michigan team with a lame duck coach? Darren McFadden has a melt down against Missouri in Arkansas' 31-point loss? South Florida, once ranked No. 2 team in the country, was beaten by 35 points by an Oregon team that had lost 3 straight and was using a third-string QB? A 9-win Air Force team lost to a Cal team that had gone 1-6 over its last 7 games?
There were a lot of dud bowl performances this year by supposedly very good teams. I guess Hawaii is the easy one to pick on though since they're the only one from a non-BCS conference.
Also, no one should blame the Sugar Bowl committee. They had the last pick. If any bowl committee should be blamed, it's the Rose Bowl. They stuck with tradition (i.e. a Big Ten team) and selected Illinois, passing over Georgia in the process. A USC-Georgia Rose Bowl would've been very exciting, and an Illinois-Hawaii game in the Sugar would've been better too. Oh well. These games are all about $$$ rather than the best matchups anyway.
No one knows how a team is going to perform in a bowl. There have been a lot of teams that have not played to their potential in bowl games so far. Defending national champ Florida loses to an unranked Michigan team with a lame duck coach? Darren McFadden has a melt down against Missouri in Arkansas' 31-point loss? South Florida, once ranked No. 2 team in the country, was beaten by 35 points by an Oregon team that had lost 3 straight and was using a third-string QB? A 9-win Air Force team lost to a Cal team that had gone 1-6 over its last 7 games?
There were a lot of dud bowl performances this year by supposedly very good teams. I guess Hawaii is the easy one to pick on though since they're the only one from a non-BCS conference.
Also, no one should blame the Sugar Bowl committee. They had the last pick. If any bowl committee should be blamed, it's the Rose Bowl. They stuck with tradition (i.e. a Big Ten team) and selected Illinois, passing over Georgia in the process. A USC-Georgia Rose Bowl would've been very exciting, and an Illinois-Hawaii game in the Sugar would've been better too. Oh well. These games are all about $$$ rather than the best matchups anyway.
Boise State, 2006 Fiesta Bowl. Happy New Year.
Hawaii did deserve the BCS berth. I agree with FSU. Its the Rose Bowl selection committee for screwing it up by taking Illinois. I didnt think Hawaii had a prayer in the game, but they did deserve to go as Boise State deserved their bid last year.
Oh, and for clarification, Justin Roper ( who is from Georgia) of Oregon was their 5th string QB to start the season!
Oh, and for clarification, Justin Roper ( who is from Georgia) of Oregon was their 5th string QB to start the season!
QUOTE(Mariner Duck Guy @ Jan 2 2008, 10:17 AM) 
Hawaii did deserve the BCS berth. I agree with FSU. Its the Rose Bowl selection committee for screwing it up by taking Illinois. I didnt think Hawaii had a prayer in the game, but they did deserve to go as Boise State deserved their bid last year.
Oh, and for clarification, Justin Roper ( who is from Georgia) of Oregon was their 5th string QB to start the season!
I didn't realize that Roper was the 5th string QB for the Ducks! Wow. That's even more amazing then. I don't know many teams that even have 5 QBs on the roster... let alone one who can win a bowl game. Too bad Dixon had to go down with his injury this year because the Ducks looked great early in the season. I wanted to watch all of Oregon-USF in the Sun Bowl, but unfortunately there were 3 bowls on at the same time... and I had to watch Fresno State put up 571 yards of total offense and 40 points in the win against the ACC's supposedly best defense (Georgia Tech).
QUOTE(Maddog @ Jan 2 2008, 12:10 PM)
It's very easy to say they didn't deserve it AFTER the game was played but I don't recall anyone mentioning it BEFORE the game. In fact, all I can find before the game are staunch supporters and one Outsports expert ranking them number 1 at the end of the season.
Hawai'i had every right to be in a BCS bowl game. Any 1-A team that goes undefeated should have that right. If you want to blame the Sugar Bowl nominating comittee go ahead but I guarantee that game had the best ratings of any bowl game so far and ratings are the goal of these committees.
Sure they went undefeated but how many teams of true worth did they beat along the way?
I think the bowl selection committee viewed Hawaii as an unknown -- they could be good, they might be bad. They thought they'd take the risk. Plus the media loved the Colt Brennan rehabilitation angle.
Sure they went undefeated but how many teams of true worth did they beat along the way?
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 2 2008, 12:51 PM)
Sure they went undefeated but how many teams of true worth did they beat along the way?
QUOTE(SouthJock76 @ Jan 2 2008, 11:04 AM)
I think the bowl selection committee viewed Hawaii as an unknown -- they could be good, they might be bad. They thought they'd take the risk. Plus the media loved the Colt Brennan rehabilitation angle.
No. The bowl committee had no choice. Hawaii finished ranked 10th in the BCS standings and was an automatic qualifier into the BCS by finishing in the Top 12. The only choice the Sugar Bowl had was Hawaii's opponent.
As long as we're talking about BCS blowouts, we really should look at the Big Ten. Illinois lost by 32 points to USC yesterday in the Rose Bowl. The last BCS game to involve a Big Ten team was last year's BCS championship when Ohio State was routed 41-14 by Florida. Does this mean the Big Ten should be excluded from BCS games? Nope. I'll say it again... in bowl games, you never know what you're going to get. Some teams rise up, and others don't. Darren McFadden, Colt Brennan and Tim Tebow were the top 3 Heisman finishers and none of them got the job done in bowls and their teams lost.
LOL LOL LOL
I am so happy about this result. Hwaii had the second-worst schedule in the entire country--there are probably 15 or 20 teams that would have gone undefeated playing the likes of Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Charleston Southern, and New Mexico State. They are a nice team with a great QB, solid receivers, no running game and no defense. Matt Stafford was blindly chucking the ball all over the field and Georgia still put up 41 points.
Hawaii has been ranked in the 20s most of the year by computer rankings, which seems about right. The endless slurping on this board of the Warriors (not Rainbow Warriors any more thanks to June Jones) has been hilarious and so was the Sugar Bowl.
I am so happy about this result. Hwaii had the second-worst schedule in the entire country--there are probably 15 or 20 teams that would have gone undefeated playing the likes of Louisiana Tech, Idaho, Charleston Southern, and New Mexico State. They are a nice team with a great QB, solid receivers, no running game and no defense. Matt Stafford was blindly chucking the ball all over the field and Georgia still put up 41 points.
Hawaii has been ranked in the 20s most of the year by computer rankings, which seems about right. The endless slurping on this board of the Warriors (not Rainbow Warriors any more thanks to June Jones) has been hilarious and so was the Sugar Bowl.
Yeah TheOtherFSU -- I screwed up about the selection process -- Hawaii actually got the BCS bid. I think your observation about the Heisman finalists also shows that in some ways it may be easier for a superb player on a mediocre team to win it than a great player on a team of stars.
No. The bowl committee had no choice. Hawaii finished ranked 10th in the BCS standings and was an automatic qualifier into the BCS by finishing in the Top 12. The only choice the Sugar Bowl had was Hawaii's opponent.
As long as we're talking about BCS blowouts, we really should look at the Big Ten. Illinois lost by 32 points to USC yesterday in the Rose Bowl. The last BCS game to involve a Big Ten team was last year's BCS championship when Ohio State was routed 41-14 by Florida. Does this mean the Big Ten should be excluded from BCS games? Nope. I'll say it again... in bowl games, you never know what you're going to get. Some teams rise up, and others don't. Darren McFadden, Colt Brennan and Tim Tebow were the top 3 Heisman finishers and none of them got the job done in bowls and their teams lost.
QUOTE(TheOtherFSU @ Jan 2 2008, 01:46 PM)
No. The bowl committee had no choice. Hawaii finished ranked 10th in the BCS standings and was an automatic qualifier into the BCS by finishing in the Top 12. The only choice the Sugar Bowl had was Hawaii's opponent.
As long as we're talking about BCS blowouts, we really should look at the Big Ten. Illinois lost by 32 points to USC yesterday in the Rose Bowl. The last BCS game to involve a Big Ten team was last year's BCS championship when Ohio State was routed 41-14 by Florida. Does this mean the Big Ten should be excluded from BCS games? Nope. I'll say it again... in bowl games, you never know what you're going to get. Some teams rise up, and others don't. Darren McFadden, Colt Brennan and Tim Tebow were the top 3 Heisman finishers and none of them got the job done in bowls and their teams lost.
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 2 2008, 01:51 PM)
Sure they went undefeated but how many teams of true worth did they beat along the way?
Can't do much about that, especially when the big boy schools are too afraid to play them(see Michigan State)
Hawaii and Illinois deserved the bids. Kansas did not.
End of story.
End of story.
So does Oklahoma have any business being in the Fiesta Bowl? 
I agree that you never know what you'll get in a bowl game (Florida's shalacking of Ohio State last year). However, Ohio State at least beat some quality schools in their schedule to get to the Nat'l Championship. Point taken though about Hawaii being undefeated in their schedule and ending up ranked to qualify for a BCS bowl. However, this is just only more proof that something has to be done about this system. The analysts differed in opinions today but I heard a lot of Hawaii looking like a pop warner team that got an ole fashioned butt kicking. It was just a different league yesterday. But, I guess until the system is changed, this is what we're going to get.
And yes....Oklahoma does belong in the Fiesta Bowl. The issue goes far beyond the scoreline. Oklahoma has at least put 28 points on the board. The fact that these teams play week in and week out from August through November and then have such a long layoff is a big variable in itself with these games. Momentum is huge in sports and I think its so asinine to tell the kids to take a month off and then play a bowl game. But the difference in playing between Georgia and Hawaii yesterday was disgraceful.
And yes....Oklahoma does belong in the Fiesta Bowl. The issue goes far beyond the scoreline. Oklahoma has at least put 28 points on the board. The fact that these teams play week in and week out from August through November and then have such a long layoff is a big variable in itself with these games. Momentum is huge in sports and I think its so asinine to tell the kids to take a month off and then play a bowl game. But the difference in playing between Georgia and Hawaii yesterday was disgraceful.
So let's see if I have this correct? Oklahoma did belong in the Fiesta Bowl and Hawaii did not belong in the Sugar Bowl? Oklahoma did belong even though it got blown out by a West Virginia team that was beaten at home by a 4-7 Pittsburgh team in its last outing? And Oklahoma did belong even though it lost in this same bowl game last year to Boise State, a team Hawaii beat handily a couple of months ago?
Just want to make sure I have everything correct. Whew. I'm glad the Sooners did belong in the Fiesta Bowl again this year because I was unsure while watching them. I'm glad you did clarify it though. I'm equally glad that West Virginia belonged in the bowl too because I thought their loss to 4-7 Pittsburgh meant they didn't belong. But, alas, only a loss to 11-2 Georgia means a team doesn't belong. I've got it now. Thanks.
Just want to make sure I have everything correct. Whew. I'm glad the Sooners did belong in the Fiesta Bowl again this year because I was unsure while watching them. I'm glad you did clarify it though. I'm equally glad that West Virginia belonged in the bowl too because I thought their loss to 4-7 Pittsburgh meant they didn't belong. But, alas, only a loss to 11-2 Georgia means a team doesn't belong. I've got it now. Thanks.
You're welcome. Glad I could be of service.
QUOTE(btccfan2002 @ Jan 2 2008, 10:10 PM)
Hawaii and Illinois deserved the bids. Kansas did not.
End of story.
Yeah, they sure proved it.
Whether they belonged or not is pretty much moot. The system is flawed and until a playoff system is installed, there is going to be debate over who goes where and who does/doesn't belong. I'm glad that Hawaii got to a BCS bowl. There was actually some excitement and national buzz about the bowl since people like an underdog story. If Hawaii wasn't there I probably would not have even been interested in watching the Sugar Bowl. I'm glad the smaller conferences wsa given an opportunity to go to at least one BCS bowl, especially since they did go undefeated.
Next year, Hawaii steps up it's non-conference schedule. Needless to say, it does not look like another undefeated season will be in the books for the Warriors.
Out of Conference:
Aug. 30 at Florida
Sept. 6 Weber State
Sept. 13 at Oregon State
Nov. 29 Washington State
Dec. 6 Cincinnati
WAC Home Games:
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
San Jose State
WAC Away Games:
Boise State
Fresno State
New Mexico State
Utah State
Next year, Hawaii steps up it's non-conference schedule. Needless to say, it does not look like another undefeated season will be in the books for the Warriors.
Out of Conference:
Aug. 30 at Florida
Sept. 6 Weber State
Sept. 13 at Oregon State
Nov. 29 Washington State
Dec. 6 Cincinnati
WAC Home Games:
Idaho
Louisiana Tech
Nevada
San Jose State
WAC Away Games:
Boise State
Fresno State
New Mexico State
Utah State
Felt bad for Colt and the Warriors. UH was over-matched and stage-struck. Congratulations to the Dawgs; they played well. I agree with you guys. Hawai earned the right to play in the Sugar Bowl because that's how the BCS system works. I've never thought UH was a great team this year or last, but I don't believe they are as bad as they looked last night. With the millions UH will receive from the BCS, June should expand the football facilities and recruiting program so that he can go out and attract some quality Offensive Lineman. Those guys looked fat and slow last night; they, more than anything the Georgia defense did, were responsible for making UH look bad and especially for making one of the best QBs in NCAA look like a novice. Wouldn't make too much of the lopsided score either. It happens to all teams at some point. Just ask Arkansas.
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Jan 3 2008, 12:18 AM)
Yeah, they sure proved it.
FWIW, the many USC fans I ran into and talked to at the Rose Bowl were complimentary of the Illini, even saying they were the best team in the Big Ten for that game. I don't think anyone expected Illinois to implode by having so many turnovers and a playbook that was obviously missing during the first half.
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Jan 2 2008, 11:35 PM)
So does Oklahoma have any business being in the Fiesta Bowl?
Um, yeah. They won the Big 12, and thus the automatic bid to a BCS bowl.
This pretty much sums up my argument against Kansas...
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/0...ame-the-system/
QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Jan 3 2008, 01:22 AM)
FWIW, the many USC fans I ran into and talked to at the Rose Bowl were complimentary of the Illini, even saying they were the best team in the Big Ten for that game. I don't think anyone expected Illinois to implode by having so many turnovers and a playbook that was obviously missing during the first half.
My comment wasn't meant to be a swipe at either Illinois or Hawaii.
Instead, it was a response to the Missouri dude's irrationality when it comes to Kansas.
Hawaii imploded with 6 turnovers in the game, but the person who came across as the biggest ass of the night was Mark Richt, who broke several coaching etiquette rules, most of which were pointed out by the Fox announcing team. Richt had his QB still throwing the ball with 5 minutes to go in the game. He challenged where the officials spotted the ball for Hawaii when his team was up 38-3 in the final seconds of the third quarter. And he had his team go for it and had the QB throwing on 4th down another time up 41-10.
I guess winning with class and the principles of good sportsmanship isn't something that's going to happen much in 2008. At least not by Georgia.
I guess winning with class and the principles of good sportsmanship isn't something that's going to happen much in 2008. At least not by Georgia.
I have not seen one rational reason to explain why Kansas has a BCS bowl. Can you come up with one?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipViuTlXr2o
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipViuTlXr2o
QUOTE(btccfan2002 @ Jan 3 2008, 08:33 AM)
I have not seen one rational reason to explain why Kansas has a BCS bowl. Can you come up with one?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ipViuTlXr2o
LOL! That's funny as hell. That Mangino comment had me rolling... "It's a good thing Kansas hasn't beaten anyone decent because there ain't enough gatorade in the world to soak the multiple mucous-encrusted rolls in Mangino's neck alone. He's one onion ring away from exploding all over the drum corps."
Would anyone be the least bit surprised to see Mangino collapse from a heart attack on the field at any given moment? I don't want to be a gloom and doomer and I'm certainly hoping it doesn't happen, but that man is a walking timebomb. I've gained 5 pounds over the holidays and I'm not happy with it and can totally feel it in my body. I can't imagine what he must feel like every day. You would think that being around a football program where these athletes are running and lifting all the time would make Mangino want to at least do something about his weight.
QUOTE(btccfan2002 @ Jan 3 2008, 10:33 AM)
I have not seen one rational reason to explain why Kansas has a BCS bowl. Can you come up with one?
I thought we had a good discussion over in this thread:
http://www.outsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39291
QUOTE(TXEX97 @ Jan 3 2008, 03:38 PM)
I thought we had a good discussion over in this thread:
http://www.outsports.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39291
Actually it was such a lousy discussion I stopped checking it because it was such a waste of my time to read and respond to some of the idiotic responses.
You admit that Hawaii had a powderpuff schedule yet was deserving.
Yeah - they tried to schedule tougher teams this year but nobody would play them. Look at their schedule for next year and you'll see what I mean - they play Florida in their first week.
Unless you're saying the Big 12 is no better than the WAC, a Big 12 team w/ only 1 loss should be equally
deserving, if not more, of a BCS bowl than an undefeated WAC team (one that had an extremely weak nonconference schedule [TWO Division I-AA teams!], no less).
So what. HAWAII WAS UNDEFEATED. They did NOT LOSE. Kansas did. To Missouri. Yet Kansas got the BCS bowl playing the same class of schedule that Hawaii did. If Kansas had gone undefeated and beat Missouri and lost to Oklahoma in the Championship, then fine - they would have deserved it.
KU did luck out in its interdivisional schedule, but the rest of the Big 12 is better, top to bottom, than the WAC. OK fine.
When Texas went to its 1st Rose Bowl, the Rose passed over Cal. It was arguable over which team was more deserving of the invitation. But Cal & its fans spent the month before their bowl game complaining. Cal then got blown out by Tech in the Holiday Bowl.
Mizzou & its fans should avoid making the same mistake.
Last time I checked Missouri blew out Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl - a team that beat LSU [who if you didn't know is in the National Championship game].
Bottom line Hawaii earned their spot by going UNDEFEATED. They did their best to schedule better teams but for whatever reason nobody wanted to play them. Hawaii has probably the smallest athletic budget, the worst facilities, and most isolated [but beautiful ;-) ] location in which to play in all of Division 1 sports. My uncle, who has lived in Hawaii for the past 20 years, said the team practices on dirt fields and has to sometimes utilize a high school gym to train... They certainly deserve a BCS bid over Kansas - who make gazillions of dollars every year from their basketball program and have no problems soliciting donors. Hawaii's underdog run should be the feel good story of the year for them reaching the BCS.
QUOTE(SFJohn @ Jan 3 2008, 11:33 AM)
Hawaii imploded with 6 turnovers in the game, but the person who came across as the biggest ass of the night was Mark Richt, who broke several coaching etiquette rules, most of which were pointed out by the Fox announcing team. Richt had his QB still throwing the ball with 5 minutes to go in the game. He challenged where the officials spotted the ball for Hawaii when his team was up 38-3 in the final seconds of the third quarter. And he had his team go for it and had the QB throwing on 4th down another time up 41-10.
I guess winning with class and the principles of good sportsmanship isn't something that's going to happen much in 2008. At least not by Georgia.
Dear SF John,
Class and sportsmanship are overrated.
Sincerely,
Bill Belichick
This column has some good arguments about Hawaii:
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All of the pundits like to talk about how much pressure there is on teams like Southern California, Ohio State, Louisiana State, Georgia or any other BCS-affiliated team because just one slip can cost them a shot at the national championship game.
I'll contend that no team from a BCS conference faces as much pressure as a good team from a non-affiliated conference because it has to be absolutely perfect to even sniff at being invited to the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta or Orange Bowls.
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The champions of the BCS-affiliated conferences get an automatic bid into a BCS bowl - doesn't matter how many losses or how low the ranking.
A non-affiliated school like Hawaii has to finish in the top 10 of the final BCS standings to be guaranteed a bid.
Considering the incorporated prejudices against the smaller schools, perfection is the only way to even have a chance to finish in the top eight.
The Warriors played with the pressure of being in a do-or-die playoff game every week. One stumble meant blowing a chance at a BCS bowl and heading to San Diego for the Holiday Bowl.
Hawaii rode the wave without a wipeout.
By comparison, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and West Virginia got BCS bids with two losses. Because the Rose Bowl was so intent on keeping its traditional Big Ten/Pac-10 matchup, Illinois went to Pasadena despite three regular-season losses.
Kansas and Georgia got BCS bids without even making it to the championship game of their respective conferences.
Louisiana State is going to be the first two-loss team to play in the BCS championship game. In essence, this will be the Tigers' third chance at winning a national championship this season.
I'll contend that no team from a BCS conference faces as much pressure as a good team from a non-affiliated conference because it has to be absolutely perfect to even sniff at being invited to the Rose, Sugar, Fiesta or Orange Bowls.
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The champions of the BCS-affiliated conferences get an automatic bid into a BCS bowl - doesn't matter how many losses or how low the ranking.
A non-affiliated school like Hawaii has to finish in the top 10 of the final BCS standings to be guaranteed a bid.
Considering the incorporated prejudices against the smaller schools, perfection is the only way to even have a chance to finish in the top eight.
The Warriors played with the pressure of being in a do-or-die playoff game every week. One stumble meant blowing a chance at a BCS bowl and heading to San Diego for the Holiday Bowl.
Hawaii rode the wave without a wipeout.
By comparison, Georgia, USC, Oklahoma, Virginia Tech and West Virginia got BCS bids with two losses. Because the Rose Bowl was so intent on keeping its traditional Big Ten/Pac-10 matchup, Illinois went to Pasadena despite three regular-season losses.
Kansas and Georgia got BCS bids without even making it to the championship game of their respective conferences.
Louisiana State is going to be the first two-loss team to play in the BCS championship game. In essence, this will be the Tigers' third chance at winning a national championship this season.
QUOTE(Crew Chief @ Jan 2 2008, 11:22 PM)
FWIW, the many USC fans I ran into and talked to at the Rose Bowl were complimentary of the Illini...
What? You mean you didn't run into the typical California weirdos?
Weirdos aside, the USC fans I ran into were quite cool. The players, on the other hand, were classless ass****s.
Capital "W!" 
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 2 2008, 10:51 AM)
Sure they went undefeated but how many teams of true worth did they beat along the way?
San Jose State
QUOTE(btccfan2002 @ Jan 2 2008, 11:10 PM)
Hawaii and Illinois deserved the bids. Kansas did not.
End of story.
ROFLMAO!!!! You were saying.
QUOTE(btccfan2002 @ Jan 3 2008, 03:18 PM)
Actually it was such a lousy discussion I stopped checking it because it was such a waste of my time to read and respond to some of the idiotic responses.
Perhaps you didn't respond before b/c you weren't confident that MU would win. It's much easier to talk smack after a victory, don't you think?
Anyway, KU won. Illinois & Hawaii lost...badly.
Yet, according to you, KU wasn't deserving of a BCS bowl bid, but Illinois & Hawaii were?
Care to amend your statement?
I eat my hat. Kansas won. Whoop de do.
International Bowl on Saturday - come on, who's excited!? ;-)
International Bowl on Saturday - come on, who's excited!? ;-)
That was embarrassing for Virginia Tech, and the ACC. The league as a whole lost 6 bowl games, including 5 in a row since December 31st. Four of the losses were to unranked teams. Ouch.
and it couldn't have happened to a better conference
now honestly, does the ACC really deserve their BCS bid?
(slight tongue in cheek)
now honestly, does the ACC really deserve their BCS bid?
(slight tongue in cheek)
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