A study which documented the lies perpetuated by Bush & members of his administration was recently completed. It can be viewed here:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Def...view&id=945

Like many others, I already knew that Bush & his cronies lied about WMDs in Iraq & Saddam's links to al-Qaida. But after seeing the mind-boggling numbers, I wonder yet again why this guy and/or members of his administration haven't been impeached.

Even though he is nearing the end of his term, & even if Congress isn't able to finish the job, I believe the impeachment of Bush or at least the institution of impeachment hearings is critical. It would send a strong message to the peoples of the Middle East that Americans will demand accountability from their leaders.

Low approval ratings are meaningless w/o actions. Hell, Bush has stated many times he doesn't care about ratings.

Please vote in the poll & give your thoughts on this topic.

Just my opinion, that now is not the right time. Why? Because were already in his last year of office, THANK GOD!!! It should have happened maybe a year ago or thereabouts, when all the information was starting to come out about how he and Cheney cherry picked intelligence. Thats when we should have, but of course since the GOP was in control of Congress that would have never happened....if it was to come to a vote now, I believe it would seriously jeopardize the Dems. chances of gaining control of the White House next year. The GOP would so spin this it would I believe, cost us the Dems. the good opportunity I think we have to win back the White House, so I say no, now is not the time, much as I think he deserves it....

TX, we used to go at it on this board about Bush's lies. There once were lots of pro-Bush Republicans and conservative posters here, and they would defend him and his lies, saying that he wasn't lying. I grasped their misplaced belief in him, because he represented their party and they were basically worshipping him like he was an icon, but I never grasped the gullibility, because the man was lying all the way back in 1999. I mean, it was clear that he was misrepresenting his record, his politics, his policies, his extreme right-wing ideology, all of it, before the 2000 election, and I kept wondering, is it just me, am I being too partisan, what is going on? (I even once started a thread to post positive things about the Bush admin, even though it was clear that we were careening towards the abyss with these goons.)

It was also clear to me, at least from Cheney's record, which was rated one of the most extreme right-wing in the US Congress, that he was going to be very bad news. But again, I recall one poster arguing that in fact, Cheney wasn't as right-wing as his record. Well, now we know the truth, don't we?

And, five years too late, we're learning, through careful documentation, that on the issue of the Iraq war alone, the Bush mafia lied 930+ times to the American people during the lead up. Just think of that. 900 times. Usually, in your personal life, if someone who's NOT your blood relative--say your parent or your sibling--lies to you even, say, oh, 25 times, wouldn't you be likely NOT to believe anything else he or she said? It's one thing to misstate things, but outright lies is another.

AT this point, I suppose a lot of folks are trying to look ahead to November and just cut our losses. Meanwhile, Bush was lying again just last night. He just will not stop doing so. It's really outrageous, and his behavior has been criminal on top of everything else, but what are we going to do? The Democratic Congress is still very afraid of him and Cheney, they will not even enforce subpoenas, they keep jumping every time Bush says "boo," so what are we going to do?

If you think of all of the lawlessness that he got away with, what's to say that a future president--and I do not think that Obama, Hillary Clinton, or Edwards would do so--would not try to push things even further? That's the real danger of not ever holding this vicious, dangerous, lying scumbag president and his administration accountable.

I voted that he and his administration be impeached but it ain't gonna happen though. At the very least, it's impossible because of the widespread idea that this will make it harder for any president to take actions, however justified, that may be borderline or unpopular. At the very worst, it's politicians protecting their own.

I'd also like to see Bush tried internationally for war crimes.

There is a point by point analysis of the speech last night somewhere out there - I can't remember where, which details the numerous lies and deceptions Bush vomited upon us last night. There seems to be no end to the despicable policies and behavior of this President and his people. How do people still support him? He's a grand liar at best, a purposeful destructive force to the Constituition and the traditions of this country at worst. He's got a lot of blood on his hands but impeachment at this point would cost too much in both dollars and sense. He'll get his....Now Cheney's another matter...any sort of extended investigation, impeachment, or prosecution of him - I'd support in a minute.

Impeachment isn't practical at this point, but Bush, Cheney and some members of their administration need to be tried for war crimes once his term is over.

I answered No. Not that I don't think Bush and his cronies aren't about the lowest scumballs, but I question whether anyone could prove that they knowingly committed high crimes and misdemeanors. Politicians are crafty folks and plan for just about every contingency and they cover their tracks remarkably well and I wonder what hard evidence (emails, written correspondence, taped conversations, etc.) could even be out there that proves beyond a shadown of a doubt that Bush committed impeachable crimes? My sense is probably not much. Anything to do with the GWOT (torture, etc.) would be covered by national security interests and there is probably a lack of documented evidence surrounding decisions leading up to the war.

I think that Bush should go away silently into the night. If evidence of criminal acts surface after he leaves office, I would wholeheartedly support whatever consequences come his way, but I do not think it would be politically possible to convict him even with bipartisan support.

I read a story this morning in my papaer where Bush opened up quite a bit yesterday about his past "addiction" in which we all know what it was, alcohol, and I found myself referring to what I thought about him shortly after he had won back in 2000 and allegations surafced about this then. I said to myself again, WELL, THIS EXPLAINS EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Impeach George Bush? Spend even more taxpayer money and valuable resources on an irrelevant tit-for-tat symbolic act so you can feel good about yourselves? Count me out. And flip the calendar ahead to 2008, please.

I'm glad to hear there are still people whose hatred for Bush is so blinding and preoccupying that they refuse to move the f*ck ON. We will need that energy and enthusiasm when we finally get to put this country back together from the damage done. Too bad you and the rest of the Democratic Party couldn't have expended that energy to finding an appropriate alternative candidate to George Bush in the first place instead of two so-called "electable" retreads who were THE WORST CANDIDATES FOR PRESIDENT EVER, since they lost to the Worst President Ever TWICE. In fact, the second guy, John Kerry, who had absolutely no business running for president, was only picked because the Democratic establishment was so scared shitless of losing to Bush AGAIN that he had to stand up in front of the American people and salute, "John Kerry reporting for duty", like a complete moron. So now you need to impeach Bush to right some symbolic wrong that the opposition party could have avoided years ago. MOVE ON, PLEASE.

Here are some realities. George Bush is a criminal, but he'll never do time in jail. Reality #2: the opposition party is complicit in allowing this criminal to continue his criminal acts because WHEN YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO GET RID OF HIM, YOU BLEW IT BY CHOOSING A CANDIDATE TO RUN AGAINST HIM THAT WAS WORSE THAN HE IS. Get over it and quit obsessing over electability this time around because EVERY TIME AN ESTABLISHMENT CANDIDATE IS CHOSEN, YOU LOSE THE PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. Evidence? 1980. 1984. 1988. 2000. 2004.

The one time the Democratic Party selected a high risk outsider who wasn't "electable"? They WON.

So redirect your money for the impeachment. People are eating dirt in Haiti. New Orleans needs to be rebuilt, we have schools where kids are learning in trailers, our bridges are collapsing, the economy is in the tank, we have foreclosures to contend with, a debt crisis, and a million other issues.

Everything is going to be all right. Slowly back away from the computer, grab a knife. Now go scrape the Kerry -Edwards sticker off the back of your car once and for all, it's okay. Move slowly into 2008, and if you wish, 2009, when it will all be over. Just like "Good Will Hunting", it's NOT YOUR FAULT. It's not your fault the Democratic Party couldn't pick someone better to run against the Worst President Ever two elections in a row because they have their head up their collective ass. But hopefully that won't happen this time.

Yeah! Those pesky thousands of lives lost in Iraq, we need to get over.

Those oil prices that Bush helps to drive up, we need to get over.

All the illegal and unethical sh*t he and his ass**** administration has done, we need to get over.

(smell that? that's sarcasm)

The woman in your avatar has done just as much illegal and unethical sh*t as he has, hence the problem that is at our doorstep in a flaming brown-paper bag. Your attempt to disguise the reality behind Billary 1992-2000 will work on people who are uneducated about what they were up to, but that isn't going to fly with me (or many others lately it seems). The fact that you don't see the similarity between Billary and Bush is a bonafide indication that you are as much a part of the real problem as any right-wing Republican. And if you think that Bush is responsible for driving up oil prices, I suggest you enroll in an economics course.

When Obama says "it's time for a change", he's talking about not only the last 8 years but the 8 years that came before that too. The only difference between those two corrupt administrations is which side of the gated community they were from.

Excuse me, but you're really off it with this charge. I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton's, but she absolutely HAS NOT done "as much illegal and unethical sh*t" as Bush. Seriously. I mean, get a grip!

Do you really need someone to state the litany of crap Bush has done?

Also, Gore DEFEATED Bush. He did. He did so even though the establishment media waged a war against him for 20+ months, beginning in 1999. If you are clueless about this, there are books and websites that describe what happened in detail, and they did something similar to John Kerry, and the media are doing the same crap to Hillary Clinton. Have you heard anyone in the establishment media talking about John McCain's "cackle," his "clapping his hands," his "weeping," his anything? Anything about Romney's grotesque lies, flipflopping, any of it? At any of the Republican debates, including the farce that occurred tonight, do any of the moderators gang up to attack the Republicans the way that hog Russert and phoney Brian Williams slammed Clinton on October 20? And who was running amok with the whole "race" issue? THE MEDIA! They loathe the Clintons, they ginned up Whitewater and most of the other scandals, they were in a frenzy about Bill Clinton's affair, they orgasmed over the Starr Report and huffed and puffed with anger when the American people said they supported Clinton, they trashed Gore relentlessly, and then mocked Kerry, and as we've seen, they even had a field day with John Edwards, harping on that "haircut," even though Romney has spent MORE on hair and makeup many times!

Gore was not one of the WORST CANDIDATES EVER, you obviously have no sense of history, and shouldn't speak about things when the facts are right there in front of you. There have been candidates who actually lost, and by larger margins, within my and others on here's lifetime. Cf. Dukakis, Mondale, Carter (in 1980), Ford (in 1976), etc. At any rate, think what you want. But there're history books that will prove you wrong.

As for Bush, the problem is HE CONTINUES TO SCREW UP. His reign of terror is not over. It isn't. He's still threatening war with Iran. He's still trying to push through a horrible spying bill. He's even trying to negotate unconstitutional agreements with a foreign government! The man is not our King, not our Fuehrer, he wasn't even elected the first time, yet he continues to do damage. He has installed his Christianist robots throughout the federal government and on the judiciary, and now we learn that they are determined NOT to investigate his crimes.

Yes, I agree with you that we could be spending US tax dollars on far more worthwhile things. But let me ask you, have you spoken out about the fact that that slug Republican governor of Mississippi, Haley Barbour, is taking tons of dollars meant for Gulf Coast rebuilding, and giving it away to his rich Republican friends? With George Bush's complicity? Do you see why we should just bury our heads in the sand until 2009? These Republicans continue to do so much damage it's disgusting, and every single day that our troops remain in Iraq, they face the prospect of dying, while Afghanistan worsens and the US can't do a damned thing about it because Bush has destroyed our military. Yes, he is criminal, but we need to highlight this every single day. Because every day we don't is one more day that people start to forget.



If you believe this bit of propaganda, there really is nothing more to say.

You're a tool.

Enjoy shadowboxing ghosts of the past. I'm up here ahead, focusing on the future, laughing at you. It's one thing to have a sense of history; you're paralyzed by it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1JSBhI_0at0

You're calling fantomas a tool? He's able to articulate an intelligent posting at least. You've barely qualified for illiterate. Your postings are about as nonsensical as saying to get over it in regards to Bush's endless list of crimes of offenses. That candidate called Gore has gone on to win the Nobel peace prize; Bush doesn' t even know how to spell the word 'peace.' Bush's entire disastrous time in office can all be traced to that first election...the crimes start there. Get a f*ckin grip, Bruno.

Thanks, Bryan. I'm not going to dignify his personal insult with a response.

Here's Glenn Greenwald on why Bush's lawlessness is so utterly destructive to our Constitutional system, which, I gather, more than a few people have forgotten was once considered one of the best governmental systems ever devised, despite its flaws.

And keep in mind, if we have a Democratic president, I challenge anyone on here to deny that Republicans and the establishment media will no longer abet this sort of rampant criminality--illegal warrantless spying on US citizens, 935 official lies to push an illegal war, indefinite detentions of US citizens and the separation of parents from children in detention camps and prisons, the gutting of federal regulations and regulators to allow the importation of tainted foreign food and other products like children's toys, corrupt lobbyists like convict Abramoff writing legislation, $9 billion dollars just going missing in Iraq, the politicization of the justice system and the firing of attorneys who refuse to follow the president's orders, the conviction through federal intervention of a opposition-party state governor on legally problematic grounds, White House intransigence on Congressional subpoenas, violations of the Hatch act by politicking within federal agencies, paying pundits and "journalists" to promote propaganda and selling fake propagandistic news stories to TV stations, etc.--but will try to rip the Democratic president's head off if she or he blinks the wrong way. Not that it needs to be said, but here we go:

JUST LOOK AT WHAT THEY DID TO BILL CLINTON.