mets57
Jan 29 2008, 10:08 PM
god this is annoying!
go mitt romney!
mdterp01
Jan 29 2008, 10:19 PM
Annoying and troublesome. If he chooses Huckaboo as his VP candidate, thats going to soften up the evangelicals and true conservative base of the party. Yikes, man!! Amazing how quick the political process can change. Last week it was all "oh the Republican party is so fractured right now and this thing could play out well past Super Tuesday" Now the rhetoric is that McCain is well on his way to the nomination. Come on Hillary or Obama...get it together and take back the White House. The one thing I have always given the Republicans is their ability to get their vote out. Tom Brokaw said earlier tonight that the Republicans have always been more disciplined than the Democrats, but I really have high hopes that young voters, who have long been those who have not participated heavily in the voting process will be the difference in the general election. I really think that young voters can be key to who gets into the White House. McCain definitely has a resume to his backing, but I want to see some fresh, younger, CHANGE driven blood in the White House. Thats Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama.
I do have to laugh at Giuliani though. His "brilliant" strategy to depend on Florida backfired and with all of his millions spent, he ended up with exactly 1 delegate. Poor fella....NOT!!! As disgusting as it sounds, I wouldn't be surprised if he and those on his campaign team were saying "hmm...we need a terrorist attack right now so we can tout his 9/11 leadership". Thats just how those Rethuglicans think. Politics of FEAR!!
Frank Bruno
Jan 29 2008, 11:48 PM
He'll pick Lieberman as his running mate.
aquaman
Jan 30 2008, 06:47 AM
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 29 2008, 10:19 PM)

...Come on Hillary...
If you want the GOP to stay fractured, please reconsider this statement.
fantomas
Jan 30 2008, 11:09 PM
QUOTE(Frank Bruno @ Jan 30 2008, 04:48 AM)

He'll pick Lieberman as his running mate.
My God, we can only hope, can't we? (Talk about ALBATROSS!)
mdterp01
Jan 30 2008, 11:41 PM
QUOTE(aquaman @ Jan 30 2008, 06:47 AM)

If you want the GOP to stay fractured, please reconsider this statement.

I know aqua. In the end, I know that the thought of the Clintons back in the White House will unite the Republicans in ways never seen before. We just have to hope that the country is so sick of Bush and his Republican nonsense that they can overcome it. Why are they hated so much?
aquaman
Jan 31 2008, 06:12 AM
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 30 2008, 11:41 PM)


I know aqua. In the end, I know that the thought of the Clintons back in the White House will unite the Republicans in ways never seen before. We just have to hope that the country is so sick of Bush and his Republican nonsense that they can overcome it. Why are they hated so much?
The problem with what you've said is that McCain is the one Republican near the top in Washington who the middle of the road American voter is not tired of. I'm not a registered Dem, but I live in the bluest of blue states and I've never voted R for president, but I trust McCain and feel kind of neutral about him. At most, I would passively oppose him, at most. I could even vote for him. By the way, the neutrality I feel for him is mirrored by the neutrality most independents and many R's feel about Obama. The loathing I held for W is probably pretty close to what Rs feel about Billary. I was pretty motivated to vote against W -- does it not stand to reason that many R's will be motivated to vote against the Clintons? Their defeat will be two-for one: stop her and end any attempt of his to maintain a legacy.
But why do they hate Hillary you ask? Because she and Bill have repeatedly shown themselves to be dishonest. And not just dishonest like most politicians who stretch their accomplishments and positions while campaigning, these two are masters at it. See Travelgate. Monicagate. Filegate. Whitewater. Bimbogate. And they've repeatedly shown that they will throw their allies under the bus at the first chance to aggrandize themselves. See DADT (and the ensuing fallout with F.O.B. David Mixner back in '93). See triangulation (which turned a big D majority in both House and Senate from '93-'95 into a huge minority that we've only just clawed back from). Make no mistake: losing Congress gave Clinton everything he could want, a chance to fight and campaign all over again, a giant platform where he and only he was what stood between his D supporters and a wholly controlled GOP government. He went from being a so-so president to being the hero for anyone who disliked the GOP. It made Billary central to everything in Washington and their egos consumed it greedily.
History repeats itself. Mark my words. The Dems could lose Capitol Hill if Hillary is the nominee. They absolutely will in 2010 if she wins the 2008 election.
hockeyTom
Jan 31 2008, 07:09 AM
And Rush Limberger continues his tirade against McCain daily according the reports on Keith Olberman. He REALLY dislikes McCain...
CPT_Doom
Jan 31 2008, 11:31 AM
I am concerned about McCain being the nominee, particularly if Clinton is the nominee, but not as badly as I was a bit ago. For all of this talk about moderates going for McCain, the truth is he is a 71-year-old man who has been in DC forever. He purposely moved to the right and to Bush in order to gain support for his candidacy, and that can work against him. In contrast to Clinton, McCain continues to support the war, and thinks we could/should be there for 100 years; that one statement could sink him.
I think with either Obama or Clinton, the Democrats can present a younger, more hopeful vision for the country, and I think either of them will mop him up in a debate. I just perused WorldNutDaily, the "news" location for the truly right-wing GOP, and I did not realize how much McCain is hated by the right wing of the party.
I also think that the fight between Clinton and Obama are making them both better candidates for the general election. And remember, the Democrats have outraised the Republicans by about 3:2 or 2:1 margin, IIRC. If they continue to follow the Dean 50-state strategy, and force the Republicans to win states like North Carolina or even Texas, rather than just ceding them to the GOP as they did in 2004, I think they will win.
Quite frankly, I think the best bet for the Dems now is for Clinton and Obama to put aside their differences and run as a ticket.
hockeyTom
Jan 31 2008, 11:55 AM
I believe McCain is pretty much a one issue candidate, the one issue being the Iraq war. When it comes ot handling th eeconomy he hasn't a clue, plus I see his age, and overall health as weaknesses......plus as I have mentioned before, alot of Republicans do not care for him, including the big fat one, Rush Limbaugh....
mdterp01
Jan 31 2008, 12:10 PM
It is true that many Republicans do not like McCain, however if Hillary is the nominee they will vote in droves for him just to make sure that the Clinton era doesn't continue. Their dissatisfaction with McCain not being conservative enough will be put on the backburner to make sure that Hillary and Bill do not occupy the White House again. That I definitely see happening.
Buck
Jan 31 2008, 01:46 PM
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jan 31 2008, 06:10 PM)

Their dissatisfaction with McCain not being conservative enough will be put on the backburner to make sure that Hillary and Bill do not occupy the White House again.
His voting record seems to be as conservative as it gets.
TheOtherFSU
Jan 31 2008, 01:46 PM
Rasmussen Reports has some new polls out. McCain beats Hillary 48-40 and he beats Obama 47-41 head-to-head as of now.
And in California, Obama has really closed the gap with Hillary. Hillary leads 43-40.
hockeyTom
Jan 31 2008, 01:50 PM
While I too watch polls, they mean nothing this far out, I still see McCain as vulnerable....
CPT_Doom
Jan 31 2008, 02:18 PM
QUOTE
Rasmussen Reports has some new polls out. McCain beats Hillary 48-40 and he beats Obama 47-41 head-to-head as of now.
As I posted in the Guiliani thread, remember, Dukakis had a huge double-digit lead over King George I in 1988, right after the Democratic convention. We all know how well that turned out. Early polls, particularly 9 months out, cannot factor in likely voters, and I think that is where the Democrats could also have an advantage. The early primaries, even the Florida lack of a primary, showed very high Democratic voting. If the Dems can hold on to that lead, they win.
sportinlife
Jan 31 2008, 05:22 PM
The Clintons do have connections in high places around the globe. But are they the kind of associations that will do this country good, or do they just benefit their egos?
The story about the
Kazakstan uranium deal may have encouraged the investor to make a very large contribution to a worthy charity. But it is a questionable thing to be promoting when we are supposedly trying to make the world less nuclearized and therefore safer.
The willingness to tolerate, and perhaps seek, these types of deals are what makes the world a more dangerous place and the seeking of international payola so unsavory. Experience may be valuable. But what sort of experience? Will Hillary continue these types of
deals? Would she compromise her principles on the international front as she did with Wal-Mart at home?
And don't expect any less from Mitt Romney. I suspect with him it will be business as usual not long after getting into the White House and becoming essentially immune to public pressure. Something that George W. Bush has taught us so well that a president can become.
The idea that we could elect a tired 72 year old to the Presidency makes me ill. I'm sick of grumpy old white guys running this country. We've had that for the last seven years and look where we are. John McCain reminds me of that old guy in your neighborhood who was always yelling at the kids playing in the street. God help you if your football went into his yard. Well, God help us if we elect this tired old man.
Lksimcoe
Feb 4 2008, 01:56 PM
Here is my concern for a Mac presidency.
First, the man is 71. What, if any, are his health issues. I realize he has had melanoma, but is there anything else. Whoever is president has to have a heck of a lot of stamina.
Second, Who will his veep be. Considering that this man is 71, if he is successful, he will probably be a 1 term president.
Which brings us to the VP. If it's Romney, Huckabee or Leiberman, there could be a backlash from the American people.
People have already given their opinion about Joe-mentum. They said no.
Romney is Mormon. no matter what a lot of people say, the RR will have an issue with that and it could cost McCain votes.
Huckabee would satisfy the extreme right wing, but McCain would then lose the center. They see what 8 years of having a right wing religious conversative has done, and rightly or wrongly, will not want to repeat it.
Remember, the VP is only 1 heartbeat away from the presidency. And while McCain might have momentum, his is pretty much in a no win situation for his Veep. Advantage Democrats.
Bill W
Feb 4 2008, 04:14 PM
McCain beats Clinton for sure, I think. At least Obama would have a(n underdog's) chance.
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