Its stories and reports like this which greatly concern me, and I do fear for Obamas' safety, unfortunately. Just got done watching a segment of "The View" and Whopee was talking about Obama. They offered a clip of a brief interview with a woman from West Virginia who said she wouldn't support Obama because he is a Muslim. Dear Lord!

Why is anyone surprised that racism exists in this country?

I had an incident occur about a month ago when I was ordering some window coverings from a company called Smith and Noble. I'm sure some of you have heard of that company. Please avoid them and feel free to pass on my story.

I had already ordered a couple of window treatments and then I had to call their customer service dept to ask a question. One of their customer service reps (a woman) was going on and on about something and I couldn't understand her. I asked her to slow down a bit because she was giving me codes/numbers to write down. She said, "Oh, sorry I was going so fast. I guess I'm kind of like a debate between Hillary and that Bomb Man." I said, "What? What do you mean by Bomb Man?" And she said, "Bomb Man, Bomma, I don't know. What ever that idiot's name is."

I was stunned! I told her I didn't appreciate that and I basically told her off and ended the conversation without getting the info I needed. I promptly called their customer service dept back, and then spent the next hour -- literally over 60 minutes -- being transferred around the country on the phone until I finally spoke with the head of their customer service as well as her immediate supervisor and told them exactly what happened. Who knows if she was ever disciplined though. But think about it... I was a customer on the phone that she didn't know at all, and I'd spent hundreds of bucks on their products and she had the nerve to say that to me. I can't say for sure whether it was racism on her part, but it definitely felt like it. I'm still pissed about that whole thing and I urge everyone to avoid that company (Smith and Noble) at all costs.

Certainly not surprised. I could add my own stories to that article. I made some phone bank calls close to when the primary was going to be held here and some of the responses I got when I made phone calls were disturbing. For the most part people were respectful, but there were some that were just downright horrible. But now that he pretty much has the nomination wrapped up, his secret service detail needs to get all the more tighter. I was very disturbed by that guy a couple months ago who was allowed to get up in his face and have a back and forth argument with him because he wanted a picture with him. Meanwhile the secret service were standing there not really doing much. No more of that. His wife and children are hopefully being well protected too. I've noticed that Michelle Obama seemed to step back from the scene a bit and I wonder if she's received any specific threats.

Maybe, just maybe, the woman was just an idiot. Anyway, you really should have gotten all the information you needed to handle your issue, and then asked for a supervisor to complain.

It was idiotic of her to offer her unsolicited opinion that way. But stupidity and racism are not the same thing. You can dislike Obama and not be a racist, just as you can dislike Hillary and not be a misogynist.

Exactly, MM.

Racism, homophobia, sexism, OH MY!...Welcome to the human race, folks.

I think the West Virginia Democratic race was one where both the issue of race, and the assumption that Obama or any Dem will have more than usual difficulty winning there, were overblown.

The state was formed because they did not want to secede from the union. They have an independent streak that could go either way as it has in the past. Early German and other immigrants there were probably anti-slavery for the same reasons they were in my home state of Maryland: they did not want to compete with slave labor. The attitude is probably the same toward the coerced labor of illegal immigrants.

The tradition may be simplistic but is enduring.

FDR and his New Deal were idolized. They may have fewer college grads than any other state but given time they will see on which side their bread is buttered. McCain's policies will only further impoverish the state. Obama's may actually start the country turning around and West Virginia with it. Coal is not a long-term solution. It is another limited resource we will eventually have to wean ourselves off of.

Their greatest resource is their people. An education system that offers more opportunity to all will show what a real resource West Virginia's people are.

Didn't FSU remark that he wasn't sure whether or not her remarks were racist or not? And from my experience there is a fine line between stupidity and racism. I don't think its a coincidence that those who seem to say that race played a factor in their decision for their choice happened to come from states in which the non college degree % was very high.

Of course I see what you are saying MM. She could've just been some dumb girl who had no clue how to pronounce the man's name, and perhaps thats why she's answering the phone at Smith and Noble.

I have an Obama bumpersticker on my car, and one day many months ago after leaving my local grocery stores' parking lot I had a guy come up to me look at my sticker and say, " Osama"!? I said, NO, OBAMA!!!

I read this:



...And I cannot help but think how HYPOCRITICAL many in this nation can be. We gay folks do not have to look no further than our own community & see how we are continually ostracized & marginalized by so-called "real" Christians in this country. I would bet big time $$$ that these people are more than likely the same hyper-patriots constantly reminding others (in & out of the US) that this is a Christian nation rooted and founded on Christian values, blah, blah, blah. Then you read articles like above & you have no other choice but to conclude, "What a bunch of fkcuing buffoons. All the bs hogwash that they vomit out of their a-holes (& yes, I am trying to be as crude as possible to describe my feelings for these neanderthals) is NOWHERE NEAR Christian behavior nor philosophy!"

...My God I cannot help but think, "How much have we progressed as a nation since the Civil Rights Movement?" To some degree we have, but...

Jon Stewrat played a few clips on The Daily Show last night of some of these West Virginians and their comments about not trusting Obama because of past problems with "those people", having had "enough of Hussien" and saying he is a Muslim. This is really a scary, scary country.

Not so fast.

When I hear someone say that the US is a Christian nation founded on Christian values I want to puke. Which part of we don't have a state religion didn't you understand when you were taught it in your high school civics class? I've had it up to here with people who have the attitude that the whole country is Christian, and if it isn't, it ought to be.

Christianity does not have a patent on treating people with respect, and allowing basic human rights for everyone. Yes, the founding fathers were Christians, and these same "gentle souls" allowed slavery while writing "...that all men are created equal." Hell, some of these guys were themselves slave owners.

Christian values my tukhes.

I agree Puschkin. My whole point to my post was:

1. These types of people are ACTUALLY convinced that we are a Christian nation. They have a warped sense of the true history of this country. And...

2. Let's say for arguments sake that this country was founded on "Christian" principles. If that was the case, then we certainly are not practicing TRUE Christian values, ie unconditional love, compassion, loving one's neighbor [& enemies for that matter] as oneself, etc...

Remember, you're preaching to the choir.

I didn't see the Jon Stewart piece but just seeing and hearing the West Virginia exit poll information was bad enough. There was something like 17 percent of those voting who had less than a high school education. Nearly 70 percent did not have a college degree, a stunning 97% were white, more than 60% had a household annual income of $45,000 or less. MSNBC's Laura O'Donnell even read one result that showed 25% of those voting in West Virginia said Obama "was" or "probably was" a Muslim.

Raise your hands if you want to live in West Virginia.

Shhhh! [In a whispering voice w/ my lips right up against one of your ears] Remember, we're not supposed to pick on WV.

Hello Everyone,

I am not sure that you can take what a comedy show pulls out of one state and assume that everyone voted that way. The demographics of WV merely highlight the problem that Obama has, the white middle class voters are just not voting for him. For all purposes, he has been the nominee for quite some time, yet he is still losing the runner up in all of these swing states (Ohio, Ind, PA, WV, soon to be KY).

Without these voters and without these states, he has no chance of winning.

In the same regard to paint these voters as "racist" is missing the point. Right now Obama is pulling well over 90% of the black vote in all of these states. You can not call one demographic rascist or racial and not fully see that black voters are doing the same thing. Are they voting for Obama because they truly believe in what he is doing or because he is a minority just like them?

Did the exit polling on race pick up the voters who will just not vote for him because of the fact he sat in his church for 20 years listening to a racist pastor?

I keep hearing this argument & the only thing I can say is that Black voters have been voting for white (& many other races) politicians for several decades now. Even with leaders like the Clintons, they've been voting in huge percentages. So I think you are comparing apples & oranges. Whereas some White voters are simply ruling out perhaps a well-qualified candidate simply based on his/her skin color. Wow! That to me alone says that people like that have not truly evolved as a species. I mean come on, we are living in the highly scientific & technologically advanced 21st century for pete's sake. If we can evolve in those areas isn't it time we evolve as social & political creatures?

well,if it comes down to McCain and Obama and it sure looks like it will,I'll skip this vote.I don't care what color they are,I don't like either one of them.

Then enjoy President McCain, the long-term continuation of troops in Iraq, the added ultra-right Supreme Court justices, etc. Enjoy it all. You get what you deserve.

Sweetie indeed. Barry that's about the dumbest most arrogant thing you've said.

You should be slapped, and spanked.

And on the same day that NARAL endorses him.

Luckily I'm not naive enough to believe my life will be affected despite who is in the White House and since I am just one among millions,I'm quite sure it won't.Obama is very good at telling us what is wrong with this country but he sure is short on solutions.

Granted Rev. Wright has said some controversial things, but I'm not going to damn the man because Fox News decided to grab 5 minutes of snippets over a 30 year career of giving sermons. This is once again the 2008 version of swiftboating and trying to paint Obama as an anti American since the Republicans can't find anything else on him. So just as they turned the election in 2004 into boys kissing...there they go again trying to destroy someone based on their association with someone. I'm so glad it didn't work in Mississippi with that special election race.

Obama *is* winning "white middle class voters"; he won them in Virginia; in Connecticut; in California; in Washington State; in Wisconsin; in Missouri; in Illinois; in Maryland. Do those states not count? Or do you mean "lower middle class" and "poor" whites? What's your measure for definition?

The only state among these that Obama needs to win in Pennsylvania. If he won every state Al Gore won plus Colorado, Virginia, New Hampshire, and say, Missouri, he'd win the presidency. As it is, he is going to win nearly all of New England, most of the Midwest (save Indiana), the entire Pacific Coast, and Hawaii, and very likely New Mexico. He does not need to win Ohio (though he could); Indiana (which Democrats rarely win at the presidential level); West Virginia; or Kentucky.



In more than 200+ years of voting in this country, during many of which black people were denied the right to vote, blacks who did vote could ONLY vote for white candidates for president. So how on earth can you compare this rare opportunity that Obama's candidacy represents to the opportunities that white voters have had since the country began (or, in the case of female voters, since 1920)?

Fantomas, I totally understand where you are coming from, but does it make it any better when one group votes only along skin-color lines? I understand the euphoria there must be in finally having a canidate that shares the same complextion, but I would hope, that in 2008, there would be a wider view. In Indiana and North Carolina, about 90% of the African-American vote went to Obama, only 6 % to Hillary. I can tell you, without a doubt, that Hillary did not get 90 % of the white vote in either state. Racism is alive and well, from the White House down to the ghetto, no matter what color is involved. To deny it exists EVERYWHERE in this nation would be naive. This is exactly what scares me to death. I can state for a fact there are many voters who absolutely will not vote for an African-American, even if that canidate were Jesus Christ himself. This may be the tipping point for Mc Cain. I am really afraid of Mc Cain, his policies, and what the fall-out would be if he wins. Are we at the boiling-point? I don't know, but that kettle sure is beginning to steam.

Don't you think that someday, when the first openly gay presidential candidate is in a similar position that Barack Obama is now, he or she isn't going to get a similarly overwhelming percentage of votes from gays? I can't begrudge black people voting overwhelmingly for Obama. It's not like he's a right-wing nutjob or totally lacking in qualifications compared to Hillary Clinton.

This was the point I was trying to get across. Voting against him for race is racist and voting for him because of his race is a fair practice based upon past actions is a very scary propostion to elect a president.

Obama should be elected based upon his views/issues/message rather than an opportunity to vote someone based upon race.

I think supporters of Obama are voting for him because of his views. The fact that he happens to be Black is simply a plus for the Black community. For example, you didn't see Blacks overwhelmingly supporting Alan Keyes or Clarence Thomas just because they were Black. They looked at the whole package & the majority rejected them & still have issues w/ them. Just sayin

Barack has impressed me from the get go. The man is so intelligent, so bright, so articulate, and I believe will make an outstanding President if America gives him the chance. I LOVE how he has been answering Bush from Israel with his (Bushs') stupid appeasement speech, and he has also gone after McCain today. He will not be swift boated!

If you really believe that, IMHO, (and I mean this in the kindest way possible) you are being a little naive....the younger you are the more it will affect you as a gay man. There will probably be as many as three Supreme Court justices replaced and they WILL change your life. Supreme Court nominees have a much broader impact on our lives than just about any other action a President takes. (Take note of this week's CA Supreme Court decision on gay marriage.)

The sitting conservatives are relatively young and the whole make-up of the court could take a drastic change of course based on this election. McCain has made it clear what type of judges he will appoint and they won't be gay friendly or pro-choice (if that is important to you). There will more than likely be gay issues before the Supreme Court in your lifetime that could rock your world.

You may be apathetic now, but you will realize the folly in your thinking someday. Now, if you are about 90 years old, don't worry about it.

Former Gov. Huckanut needs to take his big fat shoes out of his mouth. His attempt at humor at Obamas expense was so bad, he had to apologize for it, which he should have. What an idiot.

Anyone else see a story on the news about this hick from somewhere down in Georgia I think, that is holding up a t-shirt with the picrure of a monkey on it eating a banana, that says " Obama-08"? How dispicable!

It just made me totally cringe. There are areas of the country just like where this bufoon is from, where some people feel the same way.....its so sad...

Hunh? So you support Clinton, but if Obama gets the nomination, the presidential race no longer matters? That's just plain illogical -- there must be more to that than meets the eye...

As to the claim that Obama is "short on solutions", if you'll invest the time it takes to read and understand his policy positions, you'll find that's simply not true. Yes he's charismatic, but he's also very smart and fairly wonky -- not to mention WAY sharper than McCain could ever hope to be.

(And read Andrew Sullivan, a gay libertarian-conservative who's converted to the Obama camp.)

That is such a good, smart piece by Sullivan. I love that Senator Obama talks to what being a Christian is really supposed to mean...and Sullivan's specifics about the Senator and gays is insightful and valuable.

It's Curious George's face on the T-shirt. The company affiliated with the character is considering suing.

Also, I know some GOP crazies were constantly saying awful things about Bill Clinton, but what is this with the jokes about assassinating a presidential candidate? That's supposed to be funny? What is wrong with Huckabee and his ilk? Isn't he supposed to be an ordained Christian minister? And he now wants to be VP?

After losing his state to Hillary Clinton by a landslide Obama gets a resounding endorsement from former KKK member senator Robert Byrd, in what must be one of the oddest couplings in the Democratic party.

Told you West Virginia was quirky.

I like the Andrew Sullivan piece. Good stuff.

Yesterday Obama spoke to a crowd of 75,000 in Portland. His crowds are amazing.

Yes he did. The Pacific Northwest IS Obama country!

First off West Virginians are not white trash, nor are we stupid. The ignorant, are those who make off hand crude uneducated remarks such as are found in this thread. Not everything can or is taught in a school system.

Perhaps many of you are unaware of our colleges. Though small, they are listed as some of the top schools in the nation, WVU, Bethany, West Liberty & Wheeling Jesuit are all in the northern part of what so many say is an uneducated state. This does not include our technical or trade schools nor our high school extended programs offering full college credit our students.

Our state has a small population, thankfully. We have an old population, but are growing a young one as well. We are made up of hard working and well educate proud men and women who are proud of their home. We have low crime and very low drug use, compared to those who say we are trash, we have a good moral code and we take care of our own. When bad things happen, we come to the aid of those around us, no matter what their color, faith or party they support. We judge people on their character. We are a community who value people and what we can do for each other not what government or party can do.

If this makes us less than human to you then you are sadly the less human of all. We treat everyone as if they are equal with total respect, yet we are insulted and assaulted by those who do not know us and have never tried to know us. I get angry when I read this kind of bologna when my state is insulted I am insulted.

There has been some really interesting talk about Obamas issues in the Appalachian states of late. They mentioned Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Ohio, Kentucky and Southwest Virginia. The tv talking head pundits are saying its a geographical issue for him, versus the claim that voters in this area will not vote for an African-American, and that the makeup of these states is primarily of Scottish/Irish decent, that they are more in line generally, with conservative Democrats overall. They stressed that Obama definitely can win these people over, and that he has to press the flesh, and knock on doors and tell these people he understands the issues that concerns them and what his plan is to help.....basically he needs to spend more time there than he has in the past. I agree.

I'm glad that Ronald Reagan and one of the black female political commentators made the point of rebuffing old Pat Buchanan's verbalizations that its Barack Obama's problem that people in West Virginia and Kentucky say they won't vote for him because he's black. Ummm no! If you won't vote for someone because they are black, its not the black man's problem. ITS YOURS!!! The same would go if you wouldn't vote for Hillary because she is a woman, or Barney Frank because he was gay. Its not their problem that you are a bigot. Its yours.

I guess it depends on how bad you want that vote. Get out there and campaign, but don't say label all people of a state or region as bigots just because a few are. That's like saying all gay are drug-using sex fiends just because a few are.

There are people in every state that won’t vote for Obama because he’s black; you don’t have to narrow it down to West Virginia and Kentucky.

When Obama wins a state by a large margin it’s because he spent time in that state and he is connecting with the people. When Hillary wins by a large margin it’s because the state is full of racist.

I’ve never heard or read that Obama feels he lost West Virginia and Kentucky due to his race. But, the media and his supporters will tell you it’s due to his race because that many people in one group cannot support Hillary.

It’s his supporters that let every Hillary voter know that if you don’t vote for Obama then you are a racist. It’s not the candidate but his supporters that are currently keeping the Hillary voters away and opening the door to allow President McCain to sneak through.

Obama realizes he’s going to lose votes because of his race and he’s going to win votes because of his race. He doesn’t talk about it. If his supporters continue to talk about race it’s going to drive away more and more white working class voters. The guilt vote, making people feel guilty/racist for not voting for your candidate, will backfire and produce votes for your opponent.

You have to let the candidate run the show and you follow his/her lead. Quit talking about race and start talking about taking back the White House. When you talk about race you give yourself a reason for losing the election and once you have a reason, the loss is soon to follow.

Oh please. I have been reading this all over the Hillary blogs and it makes me want to throw up. If your vote is determined by what a candidate's most starry-eyed supporters are saying on the internet---then you are a moron. There is no other way to put it. Decide on the candidate and how good a job you think they will do.

If you are one of these Hillary voters threatening to vote for McCain, you basically have no principles. That, or your vote is decided on personality, not policies. Obama is WAY closer to Clinton than McCain on almost every substantive issue.

In general, I have trouble understanding people who plan to take their ball and go home because of the way in which their guy or gal lost, especially primary voters who are on the more extreme end of the spectrum politically. Politics is nasty, and losing sucks--no presidential candidate has ever left the race smoothly or without any ruffled feathers. But are all these women voters REALLY going to vote for John McCain when they think through what two or three more Alitos will do to the right to choose? I don't think so.


As for avoiding the topic of race--get ready for six more months of RACE RACE RACE! It will be a big issue in the general election, if not THE big issue come dirty tricks time in October. Given that one-fifth of Kentucky voters said race played a factor in their vote, and that 80% of those people voted for Clinton, it has also been a real issue in the primary campaign. That's just how it's going to be with the first viable black candidate in the nation's history.

Now you’ve done it, you chased off the moron voters too. I guarantee we moron voters are a bigger voting block than any of you other special interest groups. How do you think George bush got elected? Twice!

Yes, I think that Catholic Woman voters would vote for McCain in order to overturn Woe vs Wade. I believe the Catholic Woman vote was a block that Obama is having trouble reaching at the moment.

Well I certainly wasn't saying that all people who vote for Hillary over Obama are racist. I think Hillary has definitely connected with working class voters. What I was referring to was the 21% of people who said race was a factor and who voted for Hillary. I was referring to those people who said they wouldn't vote for Obama because he's black. Of course those people are going to be found in all regions of the country, but some more than others. It definitely seems to be an issue in that Appalachian region. Its the reality of it. But its something that can't be ignored. Obviously he got white votes in Kentucky, but the overall point I was making is that its their problem, not the black man's the way some of the pundits are making it out to be. It is certainly a concern Obama has to be worried about going into the general election. And yes...there are many African Americans voting for Obama simply because he's black. You should vote for the candidate because you believe that they support your ideas for policy and leadership. However, African Americans haven't had the opportunity to vote for a black candidate EVER in a general election campaign. I guess its easy to just say oh well stop talking about it when you've had the opportunity to choose between white candidate after white candidate for the past 200+ years. So its a bit different. There is a great sense of pride of thinking wow...could it be...in our lifetime? Obama is also a Democrat. There have been other black candidates who have run for office who have not had the support of the general black population because they are Republicans. Again..the point is that I don't like it being labeled "Obama's problem". Its not his problem regarding the people who say they won't vote for him because he's black. Didn't mean to offend West Virginia or Kentucky residents and certainly wasn't generalizing, but the issue of race being a factor was highest in those states. In a race though in which we are more than likely going to have the first African American general election candidate, race is going to be discussed. There is no way around it. Hopefully there are enough people out there who will rise above it to offset those who won't vote for him because of it.

OK, let's start from the beginning. Would you vote for Clinton over McCain over Obama? If so, can you talk a little about why?

Racists tend to be inwardly insecure and opportunistic. The longer this campaign goes on the less I think true racists will have an influence. The reason is that it takes open self-righteousness to motivate people to attack a "hard" target such as a serious candidate for the nomination in either party.

Security people would more likely detect such a person before they could act.

But racism against soft targets, especially done anonymously could well increase the closer Obama comes to being president, assuming his current trend continues.

Here in Philadelphia there was a story on the local news about posters implying that minorities kill policeman. And of course their are blacks who have killed policeman. There are also white soldiers who have needlessly killed innocent Iraqi muslims of color. But we dare not make an issue of the color difference.

In both cases these were people who probably would have committed crimes no matter where they were. And race has little to do with it, except that they used that as an excuse to commit the crime or a means to avoid punishment for it. The posters distributed in north Philadelphia are suspected to be the work of white racists. Yet those same young men are probably being recruited by our army that has lowered its standards.

mdterp01, I have no problem with black voters voting for a black candidate. Black voters are casting a positive vote for a candidate they truly want to win. I generally don’t have a problem with anyone voting for a candidate they want to win.

I don’t understand casting a negative vote in order to not vote for a candidate. So I don’t understand voting for Clinton or McCain just because you will not vote for a black man. But it’s going to happen. I agree with you that it’s not Obama’s problem and he shouldn’t address it head-on. I think through his campaign he will win over some of those that are casting a negative vote.

I also see the difference between casting a positive vote and casting a negative vote. If both are considered racist acts then they reside at opposite ends of the scale.

But, blaming race on his losses in West Virginia and Kentucky are excuses. I think he’s a strong enough candidate that he doesn’t have to use excuses. Also, as I said, he’s not blaming it on race; he’s congratulating Clinton and praising her support in these states.

When the media and Obama supporters blame race for West Virginia and Kentucky it just sounds like a poor loser looking for an excuse. It offends white working class voters that voted for Obama and white working class voters that voted for Clinton in the primary and will vote for Obama in November.

If race is going to be an issue in the campaign, the Obama camp will be better served defending, if attacked by the opposition, and not using it as an excuse that they can’t win region xyz. They have to realize that campaigning in certain states or regions may be a no-win situation but they should keep that in-house like I assume they will. Blaming race is just going to turn off those voters on the fence.

Golfer 24, don’t try to win back the moron vote now.

I’m not interested in re-opening a debate between Clinton and Obama or McCain because her campaign is over. But to answer your question.

Clinton – I voted for Clinton because her health care plan is better than Obama’s. Also, Obama sounds like a preacher or motivational speaker and I’m skeptical of both. He is now sounding more presidential. Besides that both platforms are basically the same.

McCain – I could vote for McCain because quite frankly I am better off today than I was 8 years ago. So if this election was all about me I may consider voting for McCain.

But since this election is not all about me and is about me, my family, my friends, my community, my nation, the world…

Obama – unless there is some drastic change in his platform I’ll be voting for Obama in November.

I didn’t support Hillary voters voting for McClain. I only mentioned that using race will only drive away Hillary voters. Politics and campaigning is nasty but it’s also supposed to unite a party and Obama’s strategy will not be tough, you lost. He’ll be attempting unite the party.

Good points FJM...I agree. There are a lot of conservative Democrats in Kentucky and West Virginia and I think that they simply felt more in tune with Hillary Clinton. I also think though that some of it is an anti Barack vote mixed in with it now that he has been all but chosen as the Democratic nominee. This has been a fascinating election really. But, you have to spot McCain at least 10-15 points I'm thinking because of anti-black just as you'd have to spot him that against anti woman. The Dems have every reason under the sun to take the White House back this year but the race of Obama and the gender of Hillary are things that many in this country simply aren't ready for. Again, I'm just hoping enough people rise above it and vote based on the issues. But you are right. Obama has never once blamed race on anything and has simply congratulated Hillary on her wins. Its what he should do, its what he did do.

And oh boy...now McCain has his own pastor problem. Seriously people. The only thing I'm glad about is that the media isn't being hypocritical and if they are going to go after Obama for his pastor than they should go after McCain for his. But overall...enough...I don't care that McCain's pastor said some crazy things the same way I don't care about Wright saying crazy things. Can we get back to the issues instead of this kind of nonsense. Hello...oil prices are increasing by the day and they are talking about $5-6 gas prices soon.

Interesting too you say FJM about being better off than you were 8 years ago. If you make a considerable amount of money, your coins do fare better under Republicans. I have members in my family who have voted Republican for that fact alone. A cousin of mine in particular voted Republican because of the money she made until she had a child. Then she realized that for her child's sake she needed to think about Republican policies towards education which didn't sit right with her. Now I have never voted Republican but can say that under them, my bank account does get fatter. Republicans aren't so much about race as they are about money. Every single one of the black Republicans I know have money and are Republican because they know their finances will be better under a Republican economic policy than a Democratic one which will usually raise taxes. But, under this president there has been too much damage done to lower and middle class families. Its horrible.