Full Version: American Idol - Season 8
Found out that the boifriend is from my hometown, and that my sister taught the kid in high school - not bad looking.........
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jun 9 2009, 11:14 AM) 
So in this interview, Adam admits having a crush on his roomie and fellow finalist Kris.
To be fair, that's NOT what the quote says:
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When he moved into the show’s Bel-Air mansion with the other finalists, he roomed with Kris Allen, who won the “Idol” title over Lambert last month.
“I was like, ‘Oh, (bleep), they put me with the cute guy,”’ Lambert says. “Distracting! He’s the one guy that I found attractive in the whole group on the show: nice, nonchalant, pretty and totally my type — except that he has a wife. I mean, he’s open-minded and liberal, but he’s definitely 100 percent straight.”
“I was like, ‘Oh, (bleep), they put me with the cute guy,”’ Lambert says. “Distracting! He’s the one guy that I found attractive in the whole group on the show: nice, nonchalant, pretty and totally my type — except that he has a wife. I mean, he’s open-minded and liberal, but he’s definitely 100 percent straight.”
That's not the same as having a crush on someone.
Joe, do you think Idol honchos purposely roomed Adam and Kris together? Do you think they knew Adam was gay and figured putting him in the same room as a good-looking, young guy might, just might, generate something that could lead to scandal and huge publicity?
Or am I just being too conspiratorial or cynical?
Or am I just being too conspiratorial or cynical?
I have no idea how they do it. Frankly, why don't they find a mansion large enough so everyone can have their own room?
Because then they couldn't have a gay guy drool over a cute straight guy and possible create a big, salacious scandal. 
QUOTE(Joe in Philly @ Jun 9 2009, 06:03 PM)
To be fair, that's NOT what the quote says:
No its not EXACTLY what the quote says but when I tell someone to kiss my black ass, the inference made from that is that I don't like them.
Inside Edition pointed out tonight the admission that Adam had a crush on his fellow Idol finalist and then went on to quote exactly what he said. I mean if a crush is not inferred from his quote...what exactly is it that Adam had for Kris? In addition, Keith Olbermann just used the word 'crush' when referring to the same quote. So apparently I and other news journalists are just wrong.
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusives/2009...rush-kris-allen
http://digg.com/celebrity/Adam_Lambert_rev...h_on_Kris_Allen
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original...212236363.shtml
Each of the above news stories has the word crush in their headline.
I think there's a big difference in what Adam said and the word crush. Crush infers pining for someone and Adam knew from the start that Kris was straight and married. All he said was that Kris was the only one in the group that was his type and it was ironic that they were roommates. The crush thing is just media sensationism. Adam and Kris are probably having a good laugh.
Hmm, seems like we're touching the limits of the Urban Lexicon here trying to describe the relationship between these two.
When Lambert says Allen is "totally my type" and adds in the same breath "except that he has a wife", he seems to be recognizing that the guys off-limits and unattainable from the start.
That plus his acknowledgement that Allen is a "open-minded and liberal" means he sees Allen as perfectly safe flirting material, which makes encounters like this just the tip of the iceberg for their...bromancing?
The one where Lambert kisses him on the head is not nearly as good as the "top bunk" joke.
I like them both more for the casualness and honesty of their interactions.
Can anyone else remember when 1 and 2 really got along so well?
Yeah, I know it can only help both their careers, and maybe there are obligatory tours for them so they might as well enjoy it. But body language is hard to fake over the long run, in a "marriage of convenience".
When Lambert says Allen is "totally my type" and adds in the same breath "except that he has a wife", he seems to be recognizing that the guys off-limits and unattainable from the start.
That plus his acknowledgement that Allen is a "open-minded and liberal" means he sees Allen as perfectly safe flirting material, which makes encounters like this just the tip of the iceberg for their...bromancing?
The one where Lambert kisses him on the head is not nearly as good as the "top bunk" joke.
I like them both more for the casualness and honesty of their interactions.
Can anyone else remember when 1 and 2 really got along so well?
Yeah, I know it can only help both their careers, and maybe there are obligatory tours for them so they might as well enjoy it. But body language is hard to fake over the long run, in a "marriage of convenience".
Oh come on yall...don't blame the media.
‘Oh, (bleep), they put me with the cute guy,”’ Lambert says. “Distracting! He’s the one guy that I found attractive in the whole group on the show: nice, nonchalant, pretty and totally my type — except that he has a wife. I mean, he’s open-minded and liberal, but he’s definitely 100 percent straight.”
The ONLY one he was attracted to. Nice, pretty, and TOTALLY his type. How many married men have we had crushes on. I don't see the big deal. I think its cute. If thats not a crush then I don't know what is. No one is saying he stalked him or fondled him while he was sleep. But clearly there was some crushin there.
‘Oh, (bleep), they put me with the cute guy,”’ Lambert says. “Distracting! He’s the one guy that I found attractive in the whole group on the show: nice, nonchalant, pretty and totally my type — except that he has a wife. I mean, he’s open-minded and liberal, but he’s definitely 100 percent straight.”
The ONLY one he was attracted to. Nice, pretty, and TOTALLY his type. How many married men have we had crushes on. I don't see the big deal. I think its cute. If thats not a crush then I don't know what is. No one is saying he stalked him or fondled him while he was sleep. But clearly there was some crushin there.
yeah, Adam had himself a little crush on little ol' Kris. I think it's cute too. And I think it's cool that the two gay finalists ended up becoming such good friends with the married Christian boy from Arkansas. Adam is clearly very fond of Kris, and when Kris was announced the winner, Jorge was bouncing around the stage like he just won the lottery. As for fondling Kris in his sleep, I'm not saying he did, but wanna bet the thought occurred to Adam at least once 
American Idol is all about DRAMA. And if drama isn't created spontaneously on stage, then the producers will do everything in their power to fabricate it. That mansion looked like it was big enough for every Idol finalist to have his/her own WING. So why the hell did they make the contestants share a room? Gotta put the "D" in "Drama"!!
I don't know if "crush" is necessarily all that intense. Sure, oftentimes a crush means you're carrying a torch in a way that would put the Statue of Liberty to shame. But sometimes it's just a guy who catches your eye, both in an esthetic and personality sense. I'm sure if I were in that group of finalists, I'd have a crush on Kris too.
American Idol is all about DRAMA. And if drama isn't created spontaneously on stage, then the producers will do everything in their power to fabricate it. That mansion looked like it was big enough for every Idol finalist to have his/her own WING. So why the hell did they make the contestants share a room? Gotta put the "D" in "Drama"!!
I don't know if "crush" is necessarily all that intense. Sure, oftentimes a crush means you're carrying a torch in a way that would put the Statue of Liberty to shame. But sometimes it's just a guy who catches your eye, both in an esthetic and personality sense. I'm sure if I were in that group of finalists, I'd have a crush on Kris too.
Here's a really interesting article from today's NYT about the explosion of block voting for AI. It raises points I think the producers HAVE to address - you lose credibility when these questions are raised and you don't adress them in a way that provides more transparency.
(I've cut and pasted because the NYT site requires registration).
For ‘American Idol,’ Voting Early and Often
Published: June 9, 2009
LOS ANGELES — Reality television shows are depending more than ever on viewer participation to guide the outcome of their competitions, asking audience members to vote on who stays in the jungle on “I’m a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here!,” who should stick to a diet on “The Biggest Loser” and who keeps waltzing on “Dancing With the Stars.”
Those votes sometimes have more in common with Politburo polling, however, than with democratic elections. So when auditions for the next season of “American Idol” begin in Boston on Sunday, singers who dream of standing in the winner’s spotlight next spring will need more than just a set of well-trained vocal cords.
Their success will also depend on their ability to inspire legions of fans to devote hours to sending blocks of votes into the “American Idol” polls. But the growing role of block voting also threatens to disenfranchise the viewers who are some of the show’s most fervent fans. Just how big those block-voting efforts can get was demonstrated by Erika McMahan of Conway, Ark., who with two of her friends sent in 11,700 votes by text message on the final night of this year’s “Idol.”
That such practices are having an outsize effect on “American Idol” results is the obvious conclusion presented by a strange anomaly that has grown over eight seasons of “American Idol.” Even as the show’s audience has declined in recent years, the number of votes being cast has risen sharply.
Just how many people are casting block votes — which seem to be at odds with the show’s own rules — is unclear. The Fox network and the “American Idol” producers refuse to reveal all but the barest details of its voting process. Since Kris Allen defeated Adam Lambert for the eighth “American Idol” crown last month, no one in a position to know has officially disclosed even the margin of victory.
The voting practices on “American Idol” differ from those on other popular reality competitions. “Dancing With the Stars,” the ABC series that is the second-most-watched show on television behind “Idol,” restricts its viewers to a limited number of votes each week, and viewer votes are combined with judges’ scores to determine the results.
“Britain’s Got Talent,” the series that generated worldwide fame for Susan Boyle this spring, reveals its final vote margins at the end of the season. That show’s producer, FremantleMedia, also produces “Idol.”
Viewer voting is undoubtedly the ingredient most responsible for the success of “American Idol,” because it creates a built-in audience for the contestants’ recordings.
A belief by viewers that their participation is meaningless if they don’t cast votes by the hundreds or thousands could limit their interest in the show, said Susan Murray, an associate professor of media, culture and communication at New York University and the co-editor of “Reality TV: Remaking Television Culture.”
“Viewers place a certain trust in a show like ‘American Idol,’ ” Ms. Murray said. “They trust that the system is somehow democratic and not being influenced by one person sending in 10,000 votes at a time.”
Fox and Fremantle declined to comment on why they do not fully disclose the voting results or limit the number of votes each person can cast. In a statement, however, Fremantle said block voting did not affect this year’s final outcome.
“Power texting and power toll-free votes for both Kris and Adam in the Season 8 finale constituted only a small percentage of the overall votes separating the two contestants,” the company said. “No matter how you look at it, these votes did not affect the outcome in any way.”
When it has announced details about votes, the show has sometimes emphasized just how close the totals can be. Twice this year the host of “Idol,” Ryan Seacrest, announced that the margin between the person advancing and the next contestant was no more than 30,000 votes.
The “Idol” rules state that the producers reserve the right to throw out votes if technical enhancements are being used to generate significant blocks. But they refuse to say how many votes — or whether any — have been disqualified.
The companies undoubtedly have the ability to tell who is voting and how many votes are being cast. Telescope Inc., the company that counts the votes for Fox and Fremantle, published a case study of its work for “American Idol” that noted that every vote reaches it with a phone number attached.
Ms. McMahan, 23, the voter from Arkansas, said she believed there was nothing wrong with casting thousands of votes each week. “They say it is America’s vote that decides the winner, so whoever’s fans take the most time to vote should win,” she said.
Such block-voting efforts have grown over the last several seasons of “American Idol,” but they exploded into public view last month with news reports that free phones and texting lessons were being offered by AT&T representatives in Arkansas at a party filled with supporters of Mr. Allen.
Mr. Lambert’s fans objected, despite the fact that their own Web sites contained many of the same block-voting instructions, as did fan sites promoting the earlier contestants.
The total number of votes cast this season, 624 million, was up by 25 percent from four years ago. During the same period the estimated average viewership of each performance episode fell more than 9 percent, to 25 million, according to Nielsen Media Research.
The votes cast in each year’s season finale rose even more quickly, by 67 percent over the last four years, to 100 million this year. And the amount of AT&T text-message traffic over the entire “Idol” season — a figure that includes votes, reminders, trivia games and other messages — quadrupled over the last four years, to 178 million messages.
Younger viewers probably are responsible for most of the growth in text messaging. But the portion of the “Idol” audience under 25 has declined by one-quarter in the last four years. The circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that those who are voting by text message are sending in ever-larger blocks of votes. With Fox and Fremantle refusing to share voting data, there is no way to know for sure.
Viewers of the show can also vote by the more traditional means of a toll-free number, the route favored by Konstantine Rychalsky of Seymour, Conn., who with his wife and two daughters has cast more than 1,000 votes on finale night in each of the last three seasons.
This year the Rychalskys cast 1,188 votes over four hours. In an interview, however, Mr. Rychalsky said that he thinks “American Idol” should limit votes.
“I would like to see every phone allowed one vote,” Mr. Rychalsky said. “If there are fans willing to spend hundreds of dollars to buy phones and vote thousands of times each week, then my votes really don’t count.”
(I've cut and pasted because the NYT site requires registration).
For ‘American Idol,’ Voting Early and Often
Published: June 9, 2009
LOS ANGELES — Reality television shows are depending more than ever on viewer participation to guide the outcome of their competitions, asking audience members to vote on who stays in the jungle on “I’m a Celebrity ... Get Me Out of Here!,” who should stick to a diet on “The Biggest Loser” and who keeps waltzing on “Dancing With the Stars.”
Those votes sometimes have more in common with Politburo polling, however, than with democratic elections. So when auditions for the next season of “American Idol” begin in Boston on Sunday, singers who dream of standing in the winner’s spotlight next spring will need more than just a set of well-trained vocal cords.
Their success will also depend on their ability to inspire legions of fans to devote hours to sending blocks of votes into the “American Idol” polls. But the growing role of block voting also threatens to disenfranchise the viewers who are some of the show’s most fervent fans. Just how big those block-voting efforts can get was demonstrated by Erika McMahan of Conway, Ark., who with two of her friends sent in 11,700 votes by text message on the final night of this year’s “Idol.”
That such practices are having an outsize effect on “American Idol” results is the obvious conclusion presented by a strange anomaly that has grown over eight seasons of “American Idol.” Even as the show’s audience has declined in recent years, the number of votes being cast has risen sharply.
Just how many people are casting block votes — which seem to be at odds with the show’s own rules — is unclear. The Fox network and the “American Idol” producers refuse to reveal all but the barest details of its voting process. Since Kris Allen defeated Adam Lambert for the eighth “American Idol” crown last month, no one in a position to know has officially disclosed even the margin of victory.
The voting practices on “American Idol” differ from those on other popular reality competitions. “Dancing With the Stars,” the ABC series that is the second-most-watched show on television behind “Idol,” restricts its viewers to a limited number of votes each week, and viewer votes are combined with judges’ scores to determine the results.
“Britain’s Got Talent,” the series that generated worldwide fame for Susan Boyle this spring, reveals its final vote margins at the end of the season. That show’s producer, FremantleMedia, also produces “Idol.”
Viewer voting is undoubtedly the ingredient most responsible for the success of “American Idol,” because it creates a built-in audience for the contestants’ recordings.
A belief by viewers that their participation is meaningless if they don’t cast votes by the hundreds or thousands could limit their interest in the show, said Susan Murray, an associate professor of media, culture and communication at New York University and the co-editor of “Reality TV: Remaking Television Culture.”
“Viewers place a certain trust in a show like ‘American Idol,’ ” Ms. Murray said. “They trust that the system is somehow democratic and not being influenced by one person sending in 10,000 votes at a time.”
Fox and Fremantle declined to comment on why they do not fully disclose the voting results or limit the number of votes each person can cast. In a statement, however, Fremantle said block voting did not affect this year’s final outcome.
“Power texting and power toll-free votes for both Kris and Adam in the Season 8 finale constituted only a small percentage of the overall votes separating the two contestants,” the company said. “No matter how you look at it, these votes did not affect the outcome in any way.”
When it has announced details about votes, the show has sometimes emphasized just how close the totals can be. Twice this year the host of “Idol,” Ryan Seacrest, announced that the margin between the person advancing and the next contestant was no more than 30,000 votes.
The “Idol” rules state that the producers reserve the right to throw out votes if technical enhancements are being used to generate significant blocks. But they refuse to say how many votes — or whether any — have been disqualified.
The companies undoubtedly have the ability to tell who is voting and how many votes are being cast. Telescope Inc., the company that counts the votes for Fox and Fremantle, published a case study of its work for “American Idol” that noted that every vote reaches it with a phone number attached.
Ms. McMahan, 23, the voter from Arkansas, said she believed there was nothing wrong with casting thousands of votes each week. “They say it is America’s vote that decides the winner, so whoever’s fans take the most time to vote should win,” she said.
Such block-voting efforts have grown over the last several seasons of “American Idol,” but they exploded into public view last month with news reports that free phones and texting lessons were being offered by AT&T representatives in Arkansas at a party filled with supporters of Mr. Allen.
Mr. Lambert’s fans objected, despite the fact that their own Web sites contained many of the same block-voting instructions, as did fan sites promoting the earlier contestants.
The total number of votes cast this season, 624 million, was up by 25 percent from four years ago. During the same period the estimated average viewership of each performance episode fell more than 9 percent, to 25 million, according to Nielsen Media Research.
The votes cast in each year’s season finale rose even more quickly, by 67 percent over the last four years, to 100 million this year. And the amount of AT&T text-message traffic over the entire “Idol” season — a figure that includes votes, reminders, trivia games and other messages — quadrupled over the last four years, to 178 million messages.
Younger viewers probably are responsible for most of the growth in text messaging. But the portion of the “Idol” audience under 25 has declined by one-quarter in the last four years. The circumstantial evidence strongly suggests that those who are voting by text message are sending in ever-larger blocks of votes. With Fox and Fremantle refusing to share voting data, there is no way to know for sure.
Viewers of the show can also vote by the more traditional means of a toll-free number, the route favored by Konstantine Rychalsky of Seymour, Conn., who with his wife and two daughters has cast more than 1,000 votes on finale night in each of the last three seasons.
This year the Rychalskys cast 1,188 votes over four hours. In an interview, however, Mr. Rychalsky said that he thinks “American Idol” should limit votes.
“I would like to see every phone allowed one vote,” Mr. Rychalsky said. “If there are fans willing to spend hundreds of dollars to buy phones and vote thousands of times each week, then my votes really don’t count.”
QUOTE(SCTrojan @ May 21 2009, 07:04 PM)
If that's true then, personally, I think that the toll free #s should be marked on someone's phone after s/he has voted & not be allowed to vote again. This way the final tally would be closer to "truthful" voting. No system will ever be perfect but that would be a step in the right direction, imho.
See above.
Also, they need to get rid of block voting capabilities.
Just when I thought I had heard everything bizarre about AI: Adam Makes 'Cougars' Moist. 
Hmm...so apparently Adam is a DIVA. Why am I NOT surprised.
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Adam Lambert already making enemies
By Courtney Hazlett
The Scoop
msnbc.com
While much of the chatter surrounding “American Idol” runner-up Adam Lambert has to do with speculation about his sexuality, the behind-the-scenes talk at many of the stops along Lambert’s publicity tour is how difficult he is to work with.
“He is such a diva. Rude to everyone — from fans right down to the lighting folks,” said one person who worked with Lambert.
“A-list celebrities have come through here and been infinitely more polite,” said another person who worked with Lambert during a stop in New York.
Lambert should change his attitude quickly, according to one music producer. “No one sells that many records these days to be able to get away with that kind of behavior. To be a success you need literally everyone in your corner.”
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Go Kris!!! Adam is definitely talented but thats no reason for him to act like he's actually done something. And even if he had, there are megastars who don't act like that.
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Adam Lambert already making enemies
By Courtney Hazlett
The Scoop
msnbc.com
While much of the chatter surrounding “American Idol” runner-up Adam Lambert has to do with speculation about his sexuality, the behind-the-scenes talk at many of the stops along Lambert’s publicity tour is how difficult he is to work with.
“He is such a diva. Rude to everyone — from fans right down to the lighting folks,” said one person who worked with Lambert.
“A-list celebrities have come through here and been infinitely more polite,” said another person who worked with Lambert during a stop in New York.
Lambert should change his attitude quickly, according to one music producer. “No one sells that many records these days to be able to get away with that kind of behavior. To be a success you need literally everyone in your corner.”
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Go Kris!!! Adam is definitely talented but thats no reason for him to act like he's actually done something. And even if he had, there are megastars who don't act like that.
That's assuming that story is true, of course.
Yeah I just read that story on msnbc. If it's true he has lost this fan. 
Nothing worse than a bitchy diva stuck in a gay man's body. Ugh!!!!!
Nothing worse than a bitchy diva stuck in a gay man's body. Ugh!!!!!
Everyone I've talked to that has worked with Adam including working with him on Idol said he's nice and very professional. Unless he's recently developed this diva attitude, I'd take the article with a grain of salt.
Glad to hear that...
But it's time to do some investigative work to keep us informed maddog.
But it's time to do some investigative work to keep us informed maddog.
QUOTE(mdterp01 @ Jun 15 2009, 02:29 PM)
Hmm...so apparently Adam is a DIVA. Why am I NOT surprised.
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Adam Lambert already making enemies
By Courtney Hazlett
The Scoop
msnbc.com
While much of the chatter surrounding “American Idol” runner-up Adam Lambert has to do with speculation about his sexuality, the behind-the-scenes talk at many of the stops along Lambert’s publicity tour is how difficult he is to work with.
“He is such a diva. Rude to everyone — from fans right down to the lighting folks,” said one person who worked with Lambert.
“A-list celebrities have come through here and been infinitely more polite,” said another person who worked with Lambert during a stop in New York.
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Go Kris!!! Adam is definitely talented but thats no reason for him to act like he's actually done something. And even if he had, there are megastars who don't act like that.
Watch following video clips of Adam Lambert interacting with fans in New York:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKybme5rB_k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTSsXWUy9JA
The guy could not have been LESS diva.
Courtney Hazlett has been a huge Kris Allen fan. Her “Scoop”article is nothing more than a SMEAR CAMPAIGN against Adam
It seems like lots of Kris fans are being bitter because Kris isn't getting the buzz.
A pre-idol album recorded by Adam is going to be released by Hi Fi Recordings/Wilshire Records. The first "single" is "Want".
According to Adam, the song was recorded in 2005 when he took a job as a studio singer and recorded the track.
Here's the fill article.
Want
According to Adam, the song was recorded in 2005 when he took a job as a studio singer and recorded the track.
Here's the fill article.
Want
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