It gets better. Check these pictures of the "Baby Daddy"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ci1ILC4mtCI

As some here would like to believe, nobody is attacking the daughter. There is no reason to attack the daughter.

What we are attacking is a conservative right wing gun lovin' abstinence pushing woman who is hell bent on abstinence and in no way wants kids to learn about sex. And look what happened.

Did we learn nothing from Footloose? You show me a lunatic controlling parent who pushes values down people's throat, and I'll show you a child (or the person themselves) who does the very thing they rail against.



AAHHHAHAHAHHHHAAHAAHAHAH!

Its beginning to look more and more like this was a hasty decision. The New York Times is reporting that Palin had secured something like $27 million dollars in earmarks, which is something both she and McCain have denounced often....one thing for sure, if, and its a big IF, she does make it though the process, and she is the V.P. nominee Biden will have to be very cool in the debate. If he comes across as to overbearing or cocky most likely women voters will not look kindly on this, and she could be mentioned as being a victim of being piled on, similair to what feelings were said by Hillary supporters.

The Juno pic has been updated....since she's from Alaska LOL



You know what would make this more delicious? If a tape emerges (which I bet exists somewhere) where Palin talks about Jamie Lynn Spears....god I'd LOVE to see that.

The polls keep coming today. Rasmussen Reports poll out this morning gives Obama 51% to 45% (first time he's crossed 50% in that poll). Pew Research poll out this morning has Obama up 51% to 42% (first time he's crossed 50% in that poll). CBS News poll has Obama up by 8 today, and there's been a 19-point swing towards Obama among registered independents since Palin was introduced. McCain was leading with indys by 13 in their last poll, but it's Obama by 6 now. People are moving in droves towards the Obama-Biden ticket in the last two to three days as more is learned about Palin.

Juneau ... hahahahaha.

Well, what's this? Looks like an attack on the mother that uses her daughter to me. Also rather Roveian! Ah...the politics of personal destruction!

If you wish to question Gov. Palin's stance on sex education, well one had better make sure one knows the curricula of sex education at Wasilla High School, which her daughter attended. Does it include information on birth control, STDs, options for pregnant teens, or does it teach abstinence only?

How fiting that a devout member of the NRA will now oversee a shotgun wedding involving her daughter and daugther's baby daddy.

I don't care if baking cookies is on the cirriculum, it makes no difference. What does matter is the values that Palin tries to shove down the throat of everyone else.

This is the proud father who's going to marry Bristol? OMG. I love these Republican values. How old is he anyway? If he's 18 or older, then he should be charged with statutory rape, shouldn't he? There are many rumors that Bristol's actually 16 years old and not 17 as her mother and the campaign suggests.

Has everyone seen the YouTube video of McCain checking out Palin's ass? Notice how he keeps playing with his wedding ring while checking out her ass.

The "little slut" post above: textbook case of Dems being just as hypocritical and thuggish as Repugs.

It might be wise to concentrate attacks on Palin's alleged past membership in the Alaskan Independence Party, which advocates secession from the US! Some patriot.

Nice choice of words.

If someone had used that language regarding the daughter of a Democratic national political figure there would be an uproar on this board - and rightfully so. Instead, the silence is quite telling.

I guess it just highlight that partisan Democrats are just as nasty as partisan Republicans.

Sarah Palin's Children

That's a good point, and something that deserves a lot more scrutiny. She was a member, and even a self-described leader, of that fringe group whose motto is "Alaska First," and not only advocates secession but was very anti-American in most of its language. Seeing that McCain's campaign slogan is "Country First," Palin's choice to join a group that puts her own state ahead of the entire nation is troubling. Joe Vogler is the founder of that group to which Palin belonged, and Vogler has been quoted as saying, "I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."

And even more poll news. Yet another one is out showing Obama going over 50% for the first time (Gallup Daily Tracking poll). Obama up 50-42. That makes 5 polls in the last two days that show Obama at 50% or higher. I don't think there's any denying now that Palin is killing the McCain ticket.

I agree about the comment on Palin's daughter being out of line. Come on, Miller and others, please let's not use language like that about this young woman.

It's not fair to her. She's a minor and whatever we may think of her mother's politics and policies, let's not attack the child, or any of her or anyone else's children. They didn't ask to be part of this and shouldn't.

As far as the AIP membership goes, do you really think most people are going to care about that? What about the fact that the woman blatantly lied during her first public appearance as the VP pick? Don't you think millions of people have had enough of being lied to by the GOP on a daily basis, about things large and small? The fact are pretty clear on what she lied about, and now McCain's team is getting caught up in half-truths too. Talk about a debacle...and this man seriously wants people to believe he'll be even minimally capable of cleaning up the mess Bush, Cheney and the GOP Congress of 2001-2006 created together?

Those pics of the baby daddy make Billy Carter and Roger Clinton look like Hamptons socialites.

Here's the latest:

At a church in Alaska less than 90 days ago, Palin said the following: "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending U.S. soldiers out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that the plan is God's plan."

Here is the scary video of that.

Thats interesting talk. SCARY. But interesting. Sounds like she has more in common with Bush than McCain.

if obama had a 17 year old daughter who got pregnant out of wedlock, you bet, repubs will be all over her.

From the Wikipedia article on Down Syndrome:

I think Palin would have been very close to 45 when Trig was born.

But if she is suspicious of evolution and and doesn't agree with sex education other than abstinence then she may also not have gotten - or taken heed of - pre-natal counseling.

They might also have informed her of other contributing factors that would increase her probabilty above the norm:Post conception diagnoses might be against her interpretation of Christianity, but pre-conception genetic counseling should not be against the principles of even the most arch-conservative anti-abortionist, though some may have philosophical/religious restrictions.

Regardless of her beliefs, I don't understand why she is so insecure she must force them on all other women.

The babydaddy is your basic white trash jock- these people belong on Jerry Springer not running the country. I agree that should not attack Palin for her values- the results speak for themselves.

Sarah Palin is ridiculous. Yesterday she announces her daughter is pregnant and please respect their privacy on the matter because it is a personal family isue. Today she announces the baby daddy has been invited to and will appear at the Republican convention. Is there a single issue she and her buddy McBush aren't hypocritical on?

Umm... no??

Honestly, this whole thing has to be a joke, right? How dim-witted does one have to be to take this candidate seriously? The idea that this woman (along with McSame) could have any shot at the White House makes me sick to my stomach.


Btw, here is a youtube clip of James McCarville going at it with Minnesota Representative Michele Bachmann (R - of course). This woman is out of her mind with her arguments.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RALnyUSj_gY&NR=1

The guy who is running against her this year is Elwyn Tinklenberg (yeah, I know - messed up name, but what are ya gonna do, right?). Here is his website: http://www.tinklenberg08.com

I've already made a campaign donation to him....

James was HILARIOUS and I peed my pants with that clip. I cannot believe Congresswoman Bachman- asked if John McCain picked the most qualified Republican- 3 TIMES by Larry King (who is not a tough interviewer by far)- she dodges it and says only that she was his pick LMAO- THEN, THEN, THEN- claims that selling the previous Governor's plane on Ebay makes her tough enough to be VP- LMAO. THIS WAS SO f**kING FUNNY!!! hehehe

These poor Republicans having to try to defend the choice of Sarah Palin. Seriously she is a hot mess. It's almost as if John McCain was happy to win out the GOP nomination as a spite to the Bushies so he could make a mess of this and give the Bushies a big f**k YOU! LMAO

Let's see now. What am I leaving out and WHAT ELSE is out there?

What we've learned just since Friday in no particular order:

- Little town of 7,000 received over $27 Million in earmarks under her mayoral reign (during which they hired Washington lobbyists with ties to Ted Stevens to drum up said earmarks). She CLAIMS to be a reformer and anti-earmarks/anti-Washington/beltway outsider,but has appeared before Congress herself requesting earmarks.

- Claims she was against the notorious "Bridge to Nowhere" in her first speech to the nation, but we find out that is very far from the truth real soon afterwards. Paraphrasing her here "Let's get that sucker funded and built while we have the right people in Congress to make that happen."

- She has a teenage pregnant daughter she threw under the bus and into the spotlight (for her own political ambitions) coupled with her abstinence only stance. She claims it was her daughter's decision to keep the baby and get married to hockey boy.....something tells me the ice queen Mother had input. The daughter had been sent to live with an aunt and go to school in Anchorage after being impregnated. She also used her line-item veto power to slash funding to teenage mothers that need a place to live in November.


- Appeared in a video less than two months ago to show her support for now indicted Senator Ted Stevens.

- Troopergate. Recently hired a personal lawyer to prolong this investigation so that it won't be completed as scheduled before the election.

- Husband had a past DUI.

- The Palins own a 40% share of a carwash in Anchorage that failed to pay taxes and maintain their certification. She was sent a letter from the State (complete with her name on the letterhead) notifying them of their non-compliance and revocation of said certification. That's some fine executive management (carwashes must be complicated). Oh, and she failed to disclose that she owned it as required in Disclosure forms by elected officials.

- That whole plane trip from Texas to Alaska while leaking amniotic fluid and having contractions and then having to be induced to deliver her special needs child that she couldn't possibly have time to care for along with 4 other kids (and expected grandchild).

- A Pat Buchanan supporter when he ran for President (as he called for all gay heads on a platter at the GOP convention).

- That AIP membership is certainly an eyebrow raiser since Rev. Wright seem to be so relevant on his views of America and patriotism.

- SHE HAS NO EXPERIENCE, EDUCATION OR TRAINING TO BE THE NEXT IN LINE TO RUN OUR COUNTRY AT SUCH A CRITICAL TIME (OR ANYTIME FOR THAT MATTER). My God, the thought is pretty scary when you think about it. She's a complete neophyte.

But enough about Sarah Palin. John McCain's decision to have her as his running mate should scare the crap out of Americans.

HornFan that is one of the most sobering posts I've seen on the Board.

And still it doesn't cover everything. You didn't even mention the future son-in-law who seems to have all the same respect for women and marriage as his future mother-in-law's running mate.

Her NRA cred guarantees she will try to shoot her way out of any international problem. To hell with negotiating when you have a nuclear hunting rifle.

This could drag on for years if they manage to get into office.

Even the bookies in Britain and Ireland are dropping the odds against her being dropped.

The McGovern-Eagleton comparison is one I've already heard mentioned on the MSMs.

But the faithful are gathering the wagons and it seems like she has to make the speech of her life tomorrow to get anyone other than them to drink the Kool-Aid.

Finally, something worth watching in the RNC convention broadcast. I think I may have to grab few a Leffes.

Well some good news has come to light tonight. Palin was NOT a member of AIP as reported earlier. The CHAIRWOMAN of the AIP gave out bad information. So Palin has that going for her. Her HUSBAND was a registered member for 7 years. I feel SO much better.

Kinda like the respect for women that John Edwards (who was the choice of many here on this board) showed when he had an affair and fathered a love child (come on, it's obvious it's his) while his wife was battling cancer?

That's one a-hole who should be put in the "People who should be shot" thread!

O.K., so slut was a bit harsh. Tramp might be more fitting. I am kidding. It's just that we put up with all this hypocrisy from the right-wing nut jobs, and I am growing tired of them talking out of both sides of their mouth. If this happened to one of Obama's daughters, could you imagine the uproar they would cause? I am tired of the double-standards for the Religious Right. They use the Bible to constantly condemn gays, yet ignore basics like the Ten Commandments. I really have nothing against a teenage girl who made an great error in judgement five months ago. Just hold her to the same standards used to judge everyone else. Isn't that what this is all about...judging others, since they are perfect?

I totally agree, she's entitled to her values. She's not entitled to try and force everyone else to adhere to HER values. That's what makes all of this in play.

She's not for gay rights in any way. If she can try to say that my family is not natural then her family, is fair game.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think the daughter should be the focus at all....the issue is the sanctimonious hypocrisy of the right.

A couple more things I read in the NYT.

Sarah and hubby eloped, and lo and behold eight months later their son was born! Pre-marital sex? Oh my. Like Mother like daughter.

The mother in law story. Actually it's step mother inlaw. Sarah's shotgun husband's stepmom ran to replace her as Mayor. And Sarah backed the other woman! Apparently over the fact that stepmom is (gasp!) pro-choice. Stepmom lost. Can you imagine what Thanksgiving is like in that house?

I know where you're coming from, but please, everyone, keep in mind that the Republican Party is not ever to be taken lightly. The Democrats may have policies a majority of Americans want and support, and as Bill Clinton's presidency showed, certain Democrats can govern pretty well, but the GOP knows how to turn almost every Democratic strength into a liability. Already McCain's people have started blaming the media, which took several days to start looking into the thicket of problems surrounding this woman, and the Obama campaign, which as far as I can tell has tried to take the high road, and put out a very classy statement immediately concerning Bristol Palin. He didn't have to do this, especially given that McCain's campaign has been personally smearing him nonstop since Karl Rove's Steve Schmidt took over.

Some of us may think that McCain's horrible choice, which demonstrates his poor judgment and reckless temperament, is akin to a joke, but if he keeps this woman on the ticket, the GOP will work overtime to make her palatable to millions of voters who aren't tuning in right now. She sounds like she's personable and as her meteoric rise in Alaska has shown, she obvious knows how to connect with people. The GOP will find a way to feature her to her best advantage if she stays on the ticket, so please don't count her out. Ask any Alaskan who did and they'll tell you, she's a formidable character.

The GOP conned millions of people into supporting a war that was an evident disaster before they even started it, and they also will game the system if it comes down to that. No one's posting on voting problems, but they have been cropping up in Florida, Ohio, New Jersey and elsewhere, and as usual, the media and the Democrats are basically silent about what's going on.

...which was the whole point of saying it makes me sick to my stomach - that there is a VERY legitimate chance those two could end up winning. I don't think there are many people here who honestly believe Obama has it 'in the bag.' That would be exceedingly delusional. If McSame's campaign really is a joke, I'm laughing at the absurdity of it, not because it's funny.

I think one of the earlier comments was "Obama's going to win in a landslide now," or something to that effect. Obama may very well win, but I do think this will continue to be close through Election Day. Clearly the Palin pick is unpopular among most Outsports members , but let's face it most people chortling about it were not going to vote for McCain anyway. McCain knows that; the goal was to get the people who are predsiposed to voting for him but have been unenthused or suspicious of him revved up - to get them to volunteer, donate and proselytize. My boy friend's family are Mennonites living in rural western Kansas. They've been lukewarm about McCain and unconvinced that he was a True Believer. Not any more. They are now fired up, and 100% in support of the Republican ticket. They've donated money now, and their pastor will now urge the congregation from the pulpit to support McCain in every way posible - something he apparently had been loathe to do previously because of questions about abortion. There are millions of people just like them, and they will vote in huge numbers, just as they did in 2004.

BTW, it's interesting that the NY Times printed on Page 1 that Palin was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party, and printed on Page 16 the news that they were wrong and had not corroborated the story before printing it. Perhaps as "journalists" they should be as careful about vetting as they've urged John McCain to be.

I'm sure you also hold McSame to those same standards as well, since Cindy was his mistress when he was cheating on wife #1 while she lay recovering from a horrific car accident.

I think the signs are pointing to an Obama landslide of sorts. As they were saying on Fox News yesterday (yes... keeping the enemies closer), neither Kerry nor Gore ever topped 50% in pre-election polling. Fox was also trying to spin Obama's numbers by saying the last Dem to top 50% in public opinion polls prior to the election was Carter in 1976. As though reaching 50% to 52% were a bad thing that somehow ties him into the "evil" Carter. With Obama at roughly 50% now in the polls and about 8% undecided still, if Obama were to win just half of the undecideds, a 54 to 46 percent national victory translates to a resounding landslide, both in popular vote and electoral votes. I think that will be the case.

CC, I think it's funny when you say you are not a republican.

Anyhoo, what John Edwards did was very bad. Cheating on your wife is sleezy, that goes without saying. And to do it while she is recovering from cancer makes it worse.

I always say, all politicians are sleezy...on both sides of the ticket, Howevah...show me a Democrat who does something bad....and there's a republican out there who has done almost the same thing, but WAY worse.

John Edwards cheats on his wife while recovering from cancer - Awful

Newt Gingrich cheats on his wife and serves her divorce papers while she's in the hospital in the process of battling cancer - FRIGGIN DISGUSTING.

Wait a minute...I just heard that Palin's family is part of the Heath candy bar "empire"

So, she's "made it on her own"?

Yeah, tough to get through life when your attached to millions and millions of dollars.

Yes, 54% would definitely be a landslide. That's a tough number to get to, though. In the "Reagan Revolution" of 1980, Regan got 51% (granted, John Anderson was in the race), and then the wildly popular Reagan got 57% in his 1984 re-election. My personal feeling is that a 50% polling number for Obama translates to 46 or 47% in actual votes. I think the difference is "Democrats" who will not admit to pollsters that they simply will not vote for an African-American; it's sad but we shouldn't bury our heads in the sand. And let's not forget the real measure will be electoral votes; very often the allocation of those is wildly disproportionate to the popular vote.

Just a few months ago, Palin slashed funding for an Alaskan program benefiting teen mothers needing a place to live.

ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, the Republican vice-presidential nominee who revealed Monday that her 17-year-old daughter is pregnant, earlier this year used her line-item veto to slash funding for a state program benefiting teen mothers in need of a place to live.

After the legislature passed a spending bill in April, Palin went through the measure reducing and eliminating funds for programs she opposed. Inking her initials on the legislation -- "SP" -- Palin reduced funding for Covenant House Alaska by more than 20 percent, cutting funds from $5 million to $3.9 million. Covenant House is a mix of programs and shelters for troubled youths, including Passage House, which is a transitional home for teenage mothers.

According to Passage House's web site, its purpose is to provide "young mothers a place to live with their babies for up to eighteen months while they gain the necessary skills and resources to change their lives" and help teen moms "become productive, successful, independent adults who create and provide a stable environment for themselves and their families."

The Anderson thing is important to remember, as is the impact of Ross Perot in 92 and 96 (although from the polls I've seen, his absence from the race would have left Clinton and Bush I in approximately the same positions). I think Bob Barr is certainly someone to be watching now, particularly with the Palin pick. So far, polling shows that Barr generates nearly all his support at McCain's expense. While Palin may stimulate some on the religious right, her gender may work against her with many of those same voters, particularly because she's a working mother with a couple of very small children. At least, that's what a quick perusal of Worldnetdaily showed - there's still a lot of support for a "none of the above" option, and at least some of the evangelicals are calling the Palin pick for what it was - pandering. The real question is whether independents and moderate Republicans will switch parties or go for an independent like Barr in response to the questions about McCain's judgement that the Palin pick is generating. If Barr only picks up 5 - 6% in key states, like Virginia, AND that support is concentrated among voters who would normally go GOP, Obama would need a much lower threshold of popular votes in those states to get all the electoral votes.

It's going to be interesting to watch.

A new poll out today shows McSame's support has dropped significantly among women since he named Palin his VP pick. Only 9% of women said the selection of Palin made them more likely to vote for McSame, but 51% said Palin made them less likely to vote for McSame. Only 20% said Palin was a good choice, but 59% said she was chosen for political reasons.

It's hard to take that seriously. It's commissioned by Emily's List! I think we're better off looking at more sober, objective polling such as that done by Gallup or Rasmussen - both of which have been pretty positive for Obama the past few days.

Edwards' selfish behavior speaks for itself, as he spoke for himself in his apology, as belated as it was.

I don't think Edwards ever said "I don't want kids" before sticking to his girlfriend without protection, nor did he ever call Elizabeth - or treat her - as a "trollop" or "***" in public.

Edwards was a prettyboy caught up in his own fame and power. Levi just wanted to have fun and McCain just wanted a sugarmama. No apologies.

The National Enquirer just broke a story an hour or so ago about Palin having an affair with her husband's business partner. The McCain camp is said to be livid. The story was done by the same investigative team that broke the John Edwards story. As a spokesperson for the Enquirer just said, "Today we are being called liars and frauds by the same people who lauded us a month ago for 'having the courage' to do what mainstream media wouldn't. We stand by our story." The Enquirer said its team is planning a bigger story because the details keep evolving about Palin's affair. More details to follow I'm sure...

John Edwards is irrelevant. He's not on the ticket. Why are we talking about John Edwards?

This woman is killing me...

Thought she was a good speaker. Would have been better if she hadn't misstated (lied about) Obama's proposals.

It's obvious from this speech that the McSame tactic is going to be say/do anything to get elected whether true or not....how honorable of him.

Well, well, well, where are those family values now? Are those crickets I hear chirping? I guess I can safely say that the apple doesn't fall too far from the tree in regard to her daughter. After all, what kind of values can you expect from someone who behaves like an alley cat in heat? Oh, this is sooo delicious. Pardon me while I revel in the hypocrisy of the Republican party! God bless the National Enquirer. I never thought I would consider them a credible news source, but this is a new day!

I think the jury should remain out on this Enquirer story at this point. Just because it's the same team that broke the Edwards story, doesn't mean they got it right again. This is still the Enquirer. This salacious story certainly helps their bottom line, but what proof do they have at this point? I haven't seen a copy of that tabloid in YEARS...do they still have stories about alien babies and abductions and whatnot?

Palin gave a decent speech this evening although I did not care for the sarcasm and tone. Normally you expect going after the opponent from the VP, but in this case, we don't know the woman except for all the dirt that has been uncovered so far. I still don't think she has the goods to be next in line for the most powerful position in the WORLD.

Oh, and she out and out LIED about being against the "Bridge to Nowhere" and Alaska building it's own bridges. Big mistake.

I could only stomach about 10 minutes of her and I turned the channel. Ten minutes was enough. What a condescending and angry woman she seems to be ... not at all like the happy-go-lucky All-American mom they like to portray her as. The mocking tone and the lies were enough, and I had to turn it off.

It's not often that you turn on the TV and see an actual, televised Klan rally.

I understand how you feel, but I felt I owed it "to the process" to listen to the whole sha-bang...it was not easy. I want to know who this woman is especially if she ends up on the winning side of the election. It did not relieve any of my concerns about her.

I had volleyball practice tonight, so I skipped to her speech on theDVR when I got home and then listened to the pundits afterwards. I heard part of Guiliani's speech on the radio on the way home and THAT was a stomach turner for sure. Gag me.

I didn't watch the speech. Couldn't listen to that kind of garbage. I just cannot get over how hypocritical the GOP is. A woman Democrat ( Hillary) who is upwardly mobile, intelligent and driven, is a bitch, the same but a member of the GOP is now considered the GOP's "the one."